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Hey Pam,

I live in the Chicagoland area and am also new to the group. My wife and I

just became " new " grandparents....YIKES...how'd that happen??? Anyway...I've

also made my own perfumes/scents and was glad to have found the group. Looking

forward to learning more.

Reverend J Willis

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Thanks for the response. I can remember as a young girl my parents

telling me how quickly time goes by the older you are...THEY WERE

RIGHT :o) OK Group...my first question. I recently purchased some

Boronia oil...3% in jojoba. I have not the slightest idea what to do

with this stuff. The Soap Dish talked about how amazing the scent

is...I just smell a slight dank smell. How does one use this EXPENSIVE

product? Thanks for the help. Pam

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Willis <waysideurbanministries@...> wrote: Hey Pam,

I live in the Chicagoland area and am also new to the group.

Reverend J Willis

A very warm Welcome Reverend...

How would you like us all to address you?

Lots to take in the files, archives and links.... photos... and of course the

message board.... many start at the beginning and wade through. But really

wherever it takes you .....

Thank you for introducing yourself ... There are a couple of members in the

Chicage area now.... Mark who is also a member of the Guild , yourself and

someone else who recently joined Wayside Urban Ministries ( hey is that you? <

G>)

Anyway please enjoy all there is to offer and if you have any questions

someone will always help or try to answer and if not just ask again....

Every good wish, Janita

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KT does not have to be stored in the refrigerator at any time...most of us

do it either because we like to drink it cold or we don't want to have to

burp the bottles as frequently. Refrigeration slows down the continued

fermentation of the KT so there is less chance of a bottle exploding because

of pressure build up. I typically bottle, add any flavorings that I want to

and then allow my bottles to sit on the kitchen counter anywhere from a

couple of days to several months depending upon how fast I am drinking the

KT and how much room I have in my fridge at the moment. The main difference

is that if they remain out of the fridge, I have to be more diligent about

burping the bottles. Ginger does tend to create really fizzy brews in

secondary fermentation so I usually try to make sure those bottles make it

to the fridge about day three of the secondary ferment because I don't want

to have to burp them frequently. Other things I add don't seem to create

geysers as readily so they get to sit on the counter longer.

On Feb 12, 2008 9:31 AM, scott.bradley62 <scott.bradley62@...> wrote:

> I am getting ready to bottle my first batch of KT and have a few

> questions. I have ordered some amber grolsh type bottles and planned

> on using these to store my KT, should I refrigate the bottles right

> after I fill them? Can I place a slice of ginger in each of the

> botttles? I keep reading about the secondary fermintation process and

> have read that refrigeration prohibits this process. Is this ture?

>

> Thanks

>

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legomarie <marielego@...> wrote: Hello members! Yes, I'm a Newbie to

the group.

Can anyone suggest a good beginner/intermediate type " how to " book on

the topic of mixing up your own perfume? I've got a few books: Essence

and Alchemy, Donna 's book, Mandy's 2nd book.

Thanks and I look forward to a long relationship with NP!

Marie

Hi Marie

Welcome..... look in the links and files for plenty of book ideas....

Chrissie Wildwoods book I mentioned in an earlier mail always good and Mindy

Green Natural Perfume both excellent with helpful ideas etc...

with every good wish, Janita

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> Hi Marie

>

> Welcome..... look in the links and files for plenty of book ideas....

> Chrissie Wildwoods book I mentioned in an earlier mail always good

and Mindy Green Natural Perfume both excellent with helpful ideas etc...

>

> with every good wish, Janita

>Gosh, I hope I'm responding in the right spot. I did remember reading

that we are to reply in a specific area....

Thanks for your suggestions Janita. I'll look those 2 books up. I had

glanced over the links but there were sooo many I didn't know where to

begin. Got my starter pack today and can't wait to begin tinkering

with scents!

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Hey Alli,

What made you seek out macrobiotics? What have you been eating?

What books have you read?

What do you like about it?

Peace,

Reggie

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> What is the best piece of advice to give a newbie? Did anyone have so

> useful tips that can help make becoming a macro easier? I feel like i

> can use all the help i can get :)

>

> Have a great day all,

> Alli

>

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Hi Veg-

I love the hip chicks guide. I have also paged through the two

Microbiotic Kushi books. Any suggestions?

> >

> > Hi Everyone!

> >

> > What is the best piece of advice to give a newbie? Did anyone have so

> > useful tips that can help make becoming a macro easier? I feel like i

> > can use all the help i can get :)

> >

> > Have a great day all,

> > Alli

> >

>

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Love, & Sanae is an excellent book as well.

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Behalf Of Traina

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: newbie

Hi Veg-

I love the hip chicks guide. I have also paged through the two

Microbiotic Kushi books. Any suggestions?

> >

> > Hi Everyone!

> >

> > What is the best piece of advice to give a newbie? Did anyone have so

> > useful tips that can help make becoming a macro easier? I feel like i

> > can use all the help i can get :)

> >

> > Have a great day all,

> > Alli

> >

>

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Those are good books, hmm I'm not home so it's tough to think of books. Sorry.

I'm sure

some ppl here will mention some. I hope

What are you looking for, cook or theory?

Oh, Macrobiotic path to total health, love it!

Reggie

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone!

> > >

> > > What is the best piece of advice to give a newbie? Did anyone have so

> > > useful tips that can help make becoming a macro easier? I feel like i

> > > can use all the help i can get :)

> > >

> > > Have a great day all,

> > > Alli

> > >

> >

>

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Hello Cheryl,

I too was prescribed a statin therapy but decided not to take the drugs.

I did take them for a few months 3 years ago, but I had too many adverse

reactions. My last chol lab check had everything within normal limits.

When I asked the Dr. why he was prescribing these meds he couldn't or

wouldn't give me an answer. Keep asking questions! After long enough

they either give you an answer of they go your way.

Good Luck

Dana

>

> Hello all!

>

> I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on another

> group site for heart related problems.

>

> I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriad

> of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up a

> book by Dr. Cohen, " What you must know about Statin drugs & their

> natural alternatives " , and learned a few things before my problems got

> too serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memory

> loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplement

> right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...

> only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of most

> of the problem.

>

> I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the

> plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.

> I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this nasty

> drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in

> some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.

>

> I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currently

> taking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with my

> prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin).

>

> All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by

> myself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experience

> and wisdom to help me do so.

>

> Cheryl

>

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Cheryl, Welcome to the group. My understanding is that the clinical

trials showed no benefit for women who took a statin drug. Sure, it

lowered cholesterol, but did not save any lives. So now the big

question: If it doesn't save lives, why take it? Its a good question.

Bobby

>

> Hello all!

>

> I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on

another

> group site for heart related problems.

>

> I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a

myriad

> of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up

a

> book by Dr. Cohen, " What you must know about Statin drugs & their

> natural alternatives " , and learned a few things before my problems

got

> too serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and

memory

> loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the

supplement

> right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100

mg...

> only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of

most

> of the problem.

>

> I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the

> plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the

Lipitor.

> I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this

nasty

> drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in

> some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.

>

> I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am

currently

> taking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along

with my

> prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin).

>

> All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by

> myself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their

experience

> and wisdom to help me do so.

>

> Cheryl

>

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Hi Cheryl,

This is bill from the other group, yes I also found this group. Like the other group there are some very intelligent people as well. I have noticed on both sites CoQ10 has been discussed. I went to my regular doctor( internal medicine) today and had a very long talk. He is not only my doctor he is a friend and we have known eachother since his practice started and of course our kids grew up with each other, any way one topic in our talk was about CoQ10. He told me he had been reading new research on this and that I should give it a try because my joint and muscle pain and extrematies going to sleep easier than last visit 6 months ago. I plan on starting this in the near future. He wants me to start on the max dosage and ween down as I improve. I told ED that I am looking foward to seeing him and some in our other group

compare notes.

Best wishes. Bill

Newbie

Hello all!I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on anothergroup site for heart related problems.I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriadof drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up abook by Dr. Cohen, "What you must know about Statin drugs & theirnatural alternatives" , and learned a few things before my problems gottoo serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memoryloss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplementright away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of mostof the problem. I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue theplavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this

nastydrug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, insome cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currentlytaking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with myprescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin). All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug bymyself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experienceand wisdom to help me do so.Cheryl

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Hi Bobby and Cheryl,

I by no means would hate to shoot down what a doctor tells their patients. We are all different and saying that something based on over all gender is not always the fact for that person. That would be like saying that all of us males have exactly the same symptons and that is faulse. I know Cheryl from another group and she has always given me an others good insight to different things. And Bobby since I have joined this group I have thought that you were right on with some comments but in this case I will have to dissagree with you. Cheryl you have to do what you feel is right for you. I saw my internal medicine doctor today and we talked about CoQ10. He told me he has been looking at the discussion on this for a while and wants me to start taking the max dosage to see if it will improve my problems and if it does then start

cutting to a lower dosage for maintaining balance. I will let all of you know later how it is coming. Best wishes. Bill

Re: Newbie

Cheryl, Welcome to the group. My understanding is that the clinical trials showed no benefit for women who took a statin drug. Sure, it lowered cholesterol, but did not save any lives. So now the big question: If it doesn't save lives, why take it? Its a good question.Bobby>> Hello all!> > I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on another> group site for heart related problems.> > I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriad> of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up a> book by Dr. Cohen, "What you must know about Statin drugs &

their> natural alternatives" , and learned a few things before my problems got> too serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memory> loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplement> right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...> only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of most> of the problem. > > I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the> plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.> I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this nasty> drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in> some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.> > I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currently> taking resveratrol, vitamin

D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with my> prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin). > > All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by> myself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experience> and wisdom to help me do so.> > Cheryl>

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Hello,

Using that same train of thought that, " we are all different and

saying that something based on over all gender is not always the fact

for that person " is also applicable to the way in which doctors treat

their patients. If we are truly all different, then why are doctors

treating their patients as if they all should be taking statins?

But getting back to statins and women, Dr. n Whitaker says that,

" not a single study showed that statins benefit women "

http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/julianwhitakerstatins.html

He also says that,

" The only people ever shown in clinical studies to benefit at all from

these drugs are middle-aged men at high risk of heart attack (high

risk being defined as having existing coronary artery disease,

diabetes, disease of the blood vessels to the brain or extremities, or

two or more risk factors, such as hypertension and smoking). But even

for this group, there are far safer and more effective ways to lower

risk than these very dangerous drugs. "

phine

>

> Hi Bobby and Cheryl,

> I by no means would hate to shoot down what a doctor tells their

patients. We are all different and saying that something based on

over all gender is not always the fact for that person. That would

be like saying that all of us males have exactly the same symptons and

that is faulse. I know Cheryl from another group and she has always

given me an others good insight to different things. And Bobby since

I have joined this group I have thought that you were right on with

some comments but in this case I will have to dissagree with you.

Cheryl you have to do what you feel is right for you. I saw my

internal medicine doctor today and we talked about CoQ10. He told me

he has been looking at the discussion on this for a while and wants me

to start taking the max dosage to see if it will improve my problems

and if it does then start cutting to a lower dosage for maintaining

balance. I will let all of you know later how it is coming. Best

> wishes. Bill

>

>

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Try stopping for a month and see how you feel.Pamelacgarland44 <cherylgarland@...> wrote: Hello all! I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on another group site for heart related problems. I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriad of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up a book by Dr. Cohen, "What you must know about Statin drugs & their natural alternatives", and learned a few things before my problems got too

serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memory loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplement right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg... only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of most of the problem. I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor. I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this nasty drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably. I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currently taking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with my prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin). All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by myself. I hope that

perhaps this group can lend me their experience and wisdom to help me do so. Cheryl

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Hi Bill, CherylI have discovered COQ10 and have found my head clearing after taking 300 mgs for 7 weeks - the same amount of time that I have been off the Statins.Pamelabill morris <billybob5898@...> wrote: Hi Cheryl, This is bill from the other group, yes I also found this group.

Like the other group there are some very intelligent people as well. I have noticed on both sites CoQ10 has been discussed. I went to my regular doctor( internal medicine) today and had a very long talk. He is not only my doctor he is a friend and we have known eachother since his practice started and of course our kids grew up with each other, any way one topic in our talk was about CoQ10. He told me he had been reading new research on this and that I should give it a try because my joint and muscle pain and extrematies going to sleep easier than last visit 6 months ago. I plan on starting this in the near future. He wants me to start on the max dosage and ween down as I improve. I told ED that I am looking foward to seeing him and some in our other group compare notes. Best wishes. Bill Newbie Hello all!I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on anothergroup site for heart related problems.I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriadof drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up abook by Dr. Cohen, "What you must know about Statin drugs & theirnatural alternatives" , and learned a few things before my problems gottoo serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memoryloss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplementright away. I didn't know how much to

take so I began with 100 mg...only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of mostof the problem. I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue theplavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this nastydrug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, insome cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currentlytaking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with myprescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin). All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug bymyself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experienceand wisdom to help me do so.Cheryl

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Hi Bill, CherylI have discovered COQ10 and have found my head clearing after taking 300 mgs for 7 weeks - the same amount of time that I have been off the Statins.Pamelabill morris <billybob5898@...> wrote: Hi Cheryl, This is bill from the other group, yes I also found this group.

Like the other group there are some very intelligent people as well. I have noticed on both sites CoQ10 has been discussed. I went to my regular doctor( internal medicine) today and had a very long talk. He is not only my doctor he is a friend and we have known eachother since his practice started and of course our kids grew up with each other, any way one topic in our talk was about CoQ10. He told me he had been reading new research on this and that I should give it a try because my joint and muscle pain and extrematies going to sleep easier than last visit 6 months ago. I plan on starting this in the near future. He wants me to start on the max dosage and ween down as I improve. I told ED that I am looking foward to seeing him and some in our other group compare notes. Best wishes. Bill Newbie Hello all!I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on anothergroup site for heart related problems.I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriadof drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up abook by Dr. Cohen, "What you must know about Statin drugs & theirnatural alternatives" , and learned a few things before my problems gottoo serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memoryloss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplementright away. I didn't know how much to

take so I began with 100 mg...only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of mostof the problem. I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue theplavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this nastydrug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, insome cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currentlytaking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with myprescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin). All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug bymyself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experienceand wisdom to help me do so.Cheryl

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phine, you expained my point better than I could, Sometimes I

don't formulate the right words and my message comes across wrong.

Well said. And I always respect others opinions.

Bobby

> >

> > Hi Bobby and Cheryl,

> > I by no means would hate to shoot down what a doctor tells their

> patients. We are all different and saying that something based on

> over all gender is not always the fact for that person. That

would

> be like saying that all of us males have exactly the same symptons

and

> that is faulse. I know Cheryl from another group and she has

always

> given me an others good insight to different things. And Bobby

since

> I have joined this group I have thought that you were right on with

> some comments but in this case I will have to dissagree with you.

> Cheryl you have to do what you feel is right for you. I saw my

> internal medicine doctor today and we talked about CoQ10. He told

me

> he has been looking at the discussion on this for a while and

wants me

> to start taking the max dosage to see if it will improve my

problems

> and if it does then start cutting to a lower dosage for maintaining

> balance. I will let all of you know later how it is coming. Best

> > wishes. Bill

> >

> >

>

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Hello Cheryl,

You might want to check out this site below and what Dr. Fonorow has

to say about heart disease. Aside from taking the supplements that you

are taking, you need to take a bit more like Vitamin C, Natural

Vitamin E, etc. Anyway, look over the site along with the nutritional

supplements listed and see if it works for you. phine

P.S. Remember, taking statins didn't help Tim Russert. People still

get heart attacks while on statins.

http://www.internetwks.com/owen/HeartCure.htm

> cgarland44 <cherylgarland@...> wrote:

Hello all!

>

> I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on another

> group site for heart related problems.

>

> I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriad

> of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up a

> book by Dr. Cohen, " What you must know about Statin drugs & their

> natural alternatives " , and learned a few things before my problems got

> too serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memory

> loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplement

> right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...

> only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of most

> of the problem.

>

> I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the

> plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.

> I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this nasty

> drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in

> some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.

>

> I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currently

> taking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with my

> prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin).

>

> All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by

> myself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experience

> and wisdom to help me do so.

>

> Cheryl

>

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phine ... so glad you mentioned that about Tim Russert.

There are way too many people out there in the vast world

who are taking statins (like Russert was) who believe that

because they are on such drugs they will not have a heart

attack or any other form of heart disease.

Even on supplements it may not stop any of us from getting

further complications of heart disease.

But, the way the pharma cos. market statins it give all who

see the ads think they will not get any form of heart disease.

Talk about false advertising... but with the disclaimer that

nobody reads at the bottom of the TV screen they are within

legal issues.

> Hello all!

> >

> > I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on another

> > group site for heart related problems.

> >

> > I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriad

> > of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up a

> > book by Dr. Cohen, " What you must know about Statin drugs & their

> > natural alternatives " , and learned a few things before my

problems got

> > too serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and

memory

> > loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the

supplement

> > right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...

> > only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of

most

> > of the problem.

> >

> > I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the

> > plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the

Lipitor.

> > I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this

nasty

> > drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in

> > some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.

> >

> > I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currently

> > taking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along

with my

> > prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin).

> >

> > All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by

> > myself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experience

> > and wisdom to help me do so.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

>

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Hi,

To answer your question. We can not expect doctors to treat us any different than we let them. My point is are you asking all the queistions you need to, are you telling your doctor everything that you should no matter how minor or personal it might be?????????? Your doctor can only help what you are willing to let him or her. We all need to research our conditions and this group and the other group that I am in have helped me to relize that. I started in these groups with questions and I have gotten very positive replys. I feel like that there is no such thing as a stupid question because if it is a question to you at all it needs to be asked. Best wishes. Bill

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Hello,Using that same train of thought that, "we are all different andsaying that something based on over all gender is not always the factfor that person" is also applicable to the way in which doctors treattheir patients. If we are truly all different, then why are doctorstreating their patients as if they all should be taking statins?But getting back to statins and women, Dr. n Whitaker says that,"not a single study showed that statins benefit women"http://www.virginia hopkinstestkits. com/julianwhitak erstatins. htmlHe also says that,"The only people ever shown in clinical studies to benefit at all fromthese drugs are middle-aged men at high risk of heart attack (highrisk being defined as having existing coronary artery disease,diabetes, disease of the blood vessels to

the brain or extremities, ortwo or more risk factors, such as hypertension and smoking). But evenfor this group, there are far safer and more effective ways to lowerrisk than these very dangerous drugs."phine>> Hi Bobby and Cheryl,> I by no means would hate to shoot down what a doctor tells theirpatients. We are all different and saying that something based onover all gender is not always the fact for that person. That wouldbe like saying that all of us males have exactly the same symptons andthat is faulse. I know Cheryl from another group and she has alwaysgiven me an others good insight to different things. And Bobby sinceI have joined

this group I have thought that you were right on withsome comments but in this case I will have to dissagree with you. Cheryl you have to do what you feel is right for you. I saw myinternal medicine doctor today and we talked about CoQ10. He told mehe has been looking at the discussion on this for a while and wants meto start taking the max dosage to see if it will improve my problemsand if it does then start cutting to a lower dosage for maintainingbalance. I will let all of you know later how it is coming. Best> wishes. Bill> >

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Hi Pamela,

I am fixing to start taking CoQ10. But I have a question. What is the recommended max dosage limit per day?????? I hope you know. I have found it in stores and dosages run from 50mg-300mg. Thanks Bill

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Hello all!I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on anothergroup site for heart related problems.I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriadof drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up abook by Dr. Cohen, "What you must know about Statin drugs & theirnatural alternatives" , and learned a few things before my problems gottoo serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memoryloss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplementright away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of mostof the problem. I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue theplavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this

nastydrug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, insome cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currentlytaking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with myprescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin). All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug bymyself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experienceand wisdom to help me do so.Cheryl

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There are two medical trials that I'm aware of in Parkinson's disease

patients. One used 1200 mg/day of CoQ10 and one used 3000 mg/day with

few if any side effects.

I've gone as high as 1200 mg/day. I use a related product, a variant on

CoQ10 that is produced by the body when assimilating CoQ10, a product

that raises blood levels 8 time higher than regular CoQ10. I take the

equivalent of 1200 mg/day right now which is 150 mg/day Ubiquinol

(reduced from of CoQ10). I'm scheduled to get some blood work done for

the first time to see what my blood levels are. The Life Extension

Foundation has some recommend blood levels depending on health

(cardiovascular disease, etc.) with rational for them.

Steve

bill morris wrote:

>

>

> Hi Pamela,

> I am fixing to start taking CoQ10. But I have a question. What is the

> recommended max dosage limit per day?????? I hope you know. I have

> found it in stores and dosages run from 50mg-300mg. Thanks Bill

>

> [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] Newbie

>

> Hello all!

>

> I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on another

> group site for heart related problems.

>

> I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriad

> of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up a

> book by Dr. Cohen, " What you must know about Statin drugs & their

> natural alternatives " , and learned a few things before my problems got

> too serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and memory

> loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the supplement

> right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...

> only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of most

> of the problem.

>

> I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the

> plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the Lipitor.

> I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this nasty

> drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in

> some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.

>

> I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currently

> taking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along with my

> prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin).

>

> All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by

> myself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experience

> and wisdom to help me do so.

>

> Cheryl

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Hi phine,

Very interesting read! Thank you for the reference.

Have you tried this? If so, does it work for you?

Cheryl

> Hello all!

> >

> > I just joined after receiving an invite because of my post on another

> > group site for heart related problems.

> >

> > I had a heart attack in November and was subsequently put on a myriad

> > of drugs - including Lipitor. I was fortunate because I picked up a

> > book by Dr. Cohen, " What you must know about Statin drugs & their

> > natural alternatives " , and learned a few things before my

problems got

> > too serious. I was already beginning to have muscle cramps and

memory

> > loss so when it advocated taking CoQ10 I started taking the

supplement

> > right away. I didn't know how much to take so I began with 100 mg...

> > only later to increase it to 200 mg. This seemed to take care of

most

> > of the problem.

> >

> > I recently was told by my Cardiologist that I could discontinue the

> > plavix I am on and I am now focusing on ridding myself of the

Lipitor.

> > I just can't seem to understand why they want to keep me on this

nasty

> > drug, even though my cholesterol levels have returned to normal, in

> > some cases ideal, and I have changed my lifestyle considerably.

> >

> > I can't believe that heart disease can't be reversed. I am currently

> > taking resveratrol, vitamin D, folic acid, and fish oil, along

with my

> > prescription meds (niaspan, Lipitor, aspirin).

> >

> > All this being said.. I am afraid to just discontinue the drug by

> > myself. I hope that perhaps this group can lend me their experience

> > and wisdom to help me do so.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

>

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