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Here are the IDs as best as I can recall. All are from left to right as you look at the picture.

Tanks 1

Russian T-34

German quad-20mm anti-aircraft gun on a tank chassis

German Assault Gun III

German Panzer III light tank

Tanks 2

German King Tiger

US Sherman

German Tiger

German Panther

Tanks 3

King Tiger (for scale)

German JagdPanzer Assault Gun (later version of the other one, much bigger and tougher)

US Pershing Heavy Tank (few saw action as the preference was for large numbers of Shermans)

US Hellcat Anti-tank vehicle (Looks like a tank but has very light armor)

Tanks 4

King Tiger

US Chaffee Light tank

British Matilda Infantry tank (early war model, slow, lots of armor, designed to support infantry)

US Patton tank (a post WWII upgrade, more or less, of the Pershing)

Tanks 5

King Tiger

US M-60 of 1991 vintage

US M-1 Abrams, current model

(these two are in desert colors)

Tanks 6

King Tiger

German Panzer IV (roughly equal to the Sherman)

German Sturmpanzer Brummbar (A heavy assault gun, mainly against infantry)

I have a few others that are still in the box and didn't take them out because of how difficult it would be to put them back in again.

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" Here are the IDs as best as I can recall. All are from left to right

as you look at the picture. "

Thanks for the list. I have read about many of these tanks in books on

wars, but many of these books did not come with pictures. Now I have a

better idea of what these vehicles look like.

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" Here are the IDs as best as I can recall. All are from left to right

as you look at the picture. "

Thanks for the list. I have read about many of these tanks in books on

wars, but many of these books did not come with pictures. Now I have a

better idea of what these vehicles look like.

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I've got a number of books from publishers like Squadron Signal on the different tanks. These are short, picture and chart heavy books. I thought about taking some pictures of them spread out, but realized that it didn't make good subject matter. I've also got some Identification Books, like a couple of older Jane's series books. I say older because new, a Jane's can cost several hundred dollars. Wait a few years and it is still mostly in date and costs far less.

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Thank you Gail. I will look into this more and talk about it with the

psychologist...and look

at talking to other counsellors for further insight as well. It certainly seems

to me that

going straight to meds is too much for the level of OCD my daughter has...we

need to

exhaust all other options first.

>

> Five is definitely not too young to start therapy for the OCD. One of our

> list consultants, Aureen Wagner, has written several books about techniques

to

> use with young children. And they work! Maybe your psychiatrist is not

> familiar with these methods. Many psychiatrists today do more " medication

> management " and very little actual therapy, leaving the therapy end to

> psychologists and social workers. I would go with learning methods for

Exposure and

> Repsonse Prevention (ERP) first. If you do not have enough success with

these

> or if you daughter's level of OCD prevents her from utilizing the ERP, you

can

> always add medication later.

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I forgot to add that when I responded to

Get Dr. Wagners book: What to do when your Child has Obsessive-

Compulsive Disorder: Strategies and Solutions

I treat it like my OCD bible...

>

> Five is definitely not too young to start therapy for the OCD. One

of our

> list consultants, Aureen Wagner, has written several books about

techniques to

> use with young children. And they work! Maybe your psychiatrist

is not

> familiar with these methods. Many psychiatrists today do

more " medication

> management " and very little actual therapy, leaving the therapy

end to

> psychologists and social workers. I would go with learning methods

for Exposure and

> Repsonse Prevention (ERP) first. If you do not have enough

success with these

> or if you daughter's level of OCD prevents her from utilizing the

ERP, you can

> always add medication later.

>

> Gail in New Orleans

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's new at

http://www.aol.com

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Thanks for the book info! I'll definitely get a copy!

:-)

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> > Five is definitely not too young to start therapy for the OCD. One

> of our

> > list consultants, Aureen Wagner, has written several books about

> techniques to

> > use with young children. And they work! Maybe your psychiatrist

> is not

> > familiar with these methods. Many psychiatrists today do

> more " medication

> > management " and very little actual therapy, leaving the therapy

> end to

> > psychologists and social workers. I would go with learning methods

> for Exposure and

> > Repsonse Prevention (ERP) first. If you do not have enough

> success with these

> > or if you daughter's level of OCD prevents her from utilizing the

> ERP, you can

> > always add medication later.

> >

> > Gail in New Orleans

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** See what's new at

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Interesting. We also investigated the UTI route, and Caitlin

consistently has microscopic hematuria. The conclusion of 2 pediatric

urologists (I went for a second opinion because felt brushed off by

the first) was that if she does have kidney reflux, it's not severe

and it's not the cause of her fevers because she has no signs of

infection.

Other than the microscopic hematuria, she has normal urine tests and

nothing shows up on cultures.

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Interesting. We also investigated the UTI route, and Caitlin

consistently has microscopic hematuria. The conclusion of 2 pediatric

urologists (I went for a second opinion because felt brushed off by

the first) was that if she does have kidney reflux, it's not severe

and it's not the cause of her fevers because she has no signs of

infection.

Other than the microscopic hematuria, she has normal urine tests and

nothing shows up on cultures.

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Interesting. We also investigated the UTI route, and Caitlin

consistently has microscopic hematuria. The conclusion of 2 pediatric

urologists (I went for a second opinion because felt brushed off by

the first) was that if she does have kidney reflux, it's not severe

and it's not the cause of her fevers because she has no signs of

infection.

Other than the microscopic hematuria, she has normal urine tests and

nothing shows up on cultures.

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Its just peculiar that there would be a consistency where many of the children

seem to

have the original symptoms of UTI but cultures are neg for the most part. and

nothing to

treat. If it is reflux in the slightest degree, although is mostly a

throat are thing it is

rather strange the the two tend to follow, I would love to see more research

done with this

and other strange things that occur regarding .

Did she ever act as though it was painful to use the potty or have increased

desire to not

be touched/washed there which occurred out of the blue? I just wonder because

thats

really how this all started for us. After the birth of my son eh was

hospitalized and we

were not around much because of the time spent in NIcu, my daughter I think

became

stressed but also since i wasnt washing her caring for her I did not know if

maybe she did

get a UTI. Yet, later it wasnt one and the fevers well kept coming after that

and on a cycle.

Another thing I thought strange, the fevers started within 6 months of me no

longer

breastfeeding, My doctor said is a syndrome that has to due with an

immunity

problem, or at least thats how I understood it but I get confused because I

always go to

these appointments with my son and find myself having trouble focusing since I

have

ADHD, it becomes very difficult at times. But if thats the case I wonder if the

breastfeeding helped keep it at bay, along with the asthma that developed one I

stopped

breastfeeding? All this is theoretical but just thoughts I have when i think of

these things.

I mean if most kids grow out of it, why what does that mean about the disorder?

Is it like

acid reflux where the kids digestive tract develops better so the acid reflux

stops? so than

will their throat or whatever it is anoids and tonsil do something as they grow

so the grow

out of it? I know I just went of on a tangent I just wish there was more known

about this

disorder. I am sure we all do.

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Its just peculiar that there would be a consistency where many of the children

seem to

have the original symptoms of UTI but cultures are neg for the most part. and

nothing to

treat. If it is reflux in the slightest degree, although is mostly a

throat are thing it is

rather strange the the two tend to follow, I would love to see more research

done with this

and other strange things that occur regarding .

Did she ever act as though it was painful to use the potty or have increased

desire to not

be touched/washed there which occurred out of the blue? I just wonder because

thats

really how this all started for us. After the birth of my son eh was

hospitalized and we

were not around much because of the time spent in NIcu, my daughter I think

became

stressed but also since i wasnt washing her caring for her I did not know if

maybe she did

get a UTI. Yet, later it wasnt one and the fevers well kept coming after that

and on a cycle.

Another thing I thought strange, the fevers started within 6 months of me no

longer

breastfeeding, My doctor said is a syndrome that has to due with an

immunity

problem, or at least thats how I understood it but I get confused because I

always go to

these appointments with my son and find myself having trouble focusing since I

have

ADHD, it becomes very difficult at times. But if thats the case I wonder if the

breastfeeding helped keep it at bay, along with the asthma that developed one I

stopped

breastfeeding? All this is theoretical but just thoughts I have when i think of

these things.

I mean if most kids grow out of it, why what does that mean about the disorder?

Is it like

acid reflux where the kids digestive tract develops better so the acid reflux

stops? so than

will their throat or whatever it is anoids and tonsil do something as they grow

so the grow

out of it? I know I just went of on a tangent I just wish there was more known

about this

disorder. I am sure we all do.

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Its just peculiar that there would be a consistency where many of the children

seem to

have the original symptoms of UTI but cultures are neg for the most part. and

nothing to

treat. If it is reflux in the slightest degree, although is mostly a

throat are thing it is

rather strange the the two tend to follow, I would love to see more research

done with this

and other strange things that occur regarding .

Did she ever act as though it was painful to use the potty or have increased

desire to not

be touched/washed there which occurred out of the blue? I just wonder because

thats

really how this all started for us. After the birth of my son eh was

hospitalized and we

were not around much because of the time spent in NIcu, my daughter I think

became

stressed but also since i wasnt washing her caring for her I did not know if

maybe she did

get a UTI. Yet, later it wasnt one and the fevers well kept coming after that

and on a cycle.

Another thing I thought strange, the fevers started within 6 months of me no

longer

breastfeeding, My doctor said is a syndrome that has to due with an

immunity

problem, or at least thats how I understood it but I get confused because I

always go to

these appointments with my son and find myself having trouble focusing since I

have

ADHD, it becomes very difficult at times. But if thats the case I wonder if the

breastfeeding helped keep it at bay, along with the asthma that developed one I

stopped

breastfeeding? All this is theoretical but just thoughts I have when i think of

these things.

I mean if most kids grow out of it, why what does that mean about the disorder?

Is it like

acid reflux where the kids digestive tract develops better so the acid reflux

stops? so than

will their throat or whatever it is anoids and tonsil do something as they grow

so the grow

out of it? I know I just went of on a tangent I just wish there was more known

about this

disorder. I am sure we all do.

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Thanks Jen. You are very helpful.

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Beach body exercise dvds/videos - Power 90, Chalean Extreme, Turbo Jam, Slim in 6, and Hip Hop Abs. I also LOVE Gilad, and Sharon Mann. I like Joanne Greggains workouts but her personality does get on my nerves.That's all I can think of now...oh I do like using my powerbelt videos when I walk on my treadmill they're by Kathy and Debbie someone. Jen

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Anytime! Jen

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I would be very interested in hearing more about these powerbelt videos, my treadmill will be fixed this Friday and I absolutly love Kathy . I have never heard of these. I also love Gilad and Sharon Mann but I don't have any of their videos yet. I tivo them from fittv but then I really hate the commercials and it's such a pain to fast forward while you are exercising. I wonder if anyone else uses fit tv. I usually just use it to see who I like and then buy their videos.

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Beach body exercise dvds/videos - Power 90, Chalean Extreme, Turbo Jam, Slim in 6, and Hip Hop Abs. I also LOVE Gilad, and Sharon Mann. I like Joanne Greggains workouts but her personality does get on my nerves.That's all I can think of now...oh I do like using my powerbelt videos when I walk on my treadmill they're by Kathy and Debbie someone. Jen

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From Jen wrote:

> You can buy some of Gilad's workouts he taped for Fit tv ask

> Carolyn, she knows.

hi jen and sarah!

im not sure if you are doing gilad's 'bodies in motion' on

exercise tv, or his 'total body sculpt' shows.

either way, there are compilation dvds that you can buy... no

commercials :)

his 'express workouts' dvds are pretty good too. hmmm, i see

that he has a new dvd out that i do not have!!!

('total body sculpt plus' tv series)... i must get it!

anyway, i have gotten most of my gilad dvds at amazon but you can

go to collagevideo.com and do a search for 'gilad' and see all of

these titles, and more.

:*carolyn.

PS JEN: i heard of richard simmons' food mover a long time ago

(maybe it was from you!) i need to go and refresh my memory as to

how it works.

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Thanks Carolyn, actually I have recorded both the bodies in motion and the

total body sculpt, I love them both. I will check them out and probably buy

some. I appreciate the help.

in CA

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From Jen wrote:

> You can buy some of Gilad's workouts he taped for Fit tv ask

> Carolyn, she knows.

hi jen and sarah!

im not sure if you are doing gilad's 'bodies in motion' on

exercise tv, or his 'total body sculpt' shows.

either way, there are compilation dvds that you can buy... no

commercials :)

his 'express workouts' dvds are pretty good too. hmmm, i see

that he has a new dvd out that i do not have!!!

('total body sculpt plus' tv series)... i must get it!

anyway, i have gotten most of my gilad dvds at amazon but you can

go to collagevideo.com and do a search for 'gilad' and see all of

these titles, and more.

:*carolyn.

PS JEN: i heard of richard simmons' food mover a long time ago

(maybe it was from you!) i need to go and refresh my memory as to

how it works.

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hi shawna

Thank you for your kind words, this disease is truly a curse, can you tell me if you live in the uk? and when you were diagnosed, and what meds you take. l was tried with inspira before spiroclactone and my kidney function deteriorated. l am concerned about the long term effects of the meds. you are right about other things to worry about than PA, however when your going through it, and having to deal with symptoms it can be hard especially when no one knows what you are talking about.Regards Walcott-

hyperaldosteronism From: shahall@...Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:46:54 -0800Subject: To

I can sympathize with you, , I also have bilateral disease and therefore am not a candidate for surgery. We'll never be "cured" of PA but we can control our BP's with a MC receptor blocker and by DASHing. Men sometimes have trouble with the feminizing side-effects of spiro, have you tried Inspra? I'm not sure why your doctor put you on Amlodipine though, CC blockers generally don't work well on us. DASHing helped my nocturia to some degree but I still get up at least once and sometimes twice a night to pee and I'm still bothered by occasional night sweats. But believe me, there absolutely are worse things to have than PA.

Good luck,

a

From: Walcott- <hwn_2001hotmail>Subject: RE: Why do we want salt?hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:45 AM

hello Dr Grimjust got back from Barts hosiptal, today they have confirmed Avs test show that both my Adrenals are producing adolestrone. they have told me that surgery to remove the adrenals is not an option, therefore they will increased my spirolactone and they have introduced Amolodipineis their anything else that can be done to cured me of this dreaded condition, the worst thing is the night sweats and the the constant peeing and all the side effects from the medication including low labido l think it is now impacting on my marriage.pls can you advise on the way forward. Regards Walcott-

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a: have you ever done a 24 hr urine to look at Na and K intake. Would be useful I would think. What other meds are you on and when do you take them?Trust you had a cool yule and a frantic first. CEOn Jan 15, 2010, at 2:46 PM, a Hall wrote:I can sympathize with you, , I also have bilateral disease and therefore am not a candidate for surgery. We'll never be "cured" of PA but we can control our BP's with a MC receptor blocker and by DASHing. Men sometimes have trouble with the feminizing side-effects of spiro, have you tried Inspra? I'm not sure why your doctor put you on Amlodipine though, CC blockers generally don't work well on us. DASHing helped my nocturia to some degree but I still get up at least once and sometimes twice a night to pee and I'm still bothered by occasional night sweats. But believe me, there absolutely are worse things to have than PA. Good luck,a From: Walcott- <hwn_2001hotmail>Subject: RE: Why do we want salt?hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:45 AMhello Dr Grimjust got back from Barts hosiptal, today they have confirmed Avs test show that both my Adrenals are producing adolestrone. they have told me that surgery to remove the adrenals is not an option, therefore they will increased my spirolactone and they have introduced Amolodipineis their anything else that can be done to cured me of this dreaded condition, the worst thing is the night sweats and the the constant peeing and all the side effects from the medication including low labido l think it is now impacting on my marriage.pls can you advise on the way forward. Regards Walcott-

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Good reason to DASH to the max. Not salt no aldo problems.CE Grim MDOn Jan 15, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Walcott- wrote:hi shawnaThank you for your kind words, this disease is truly a curse, can you tell me if you live in the uk? and when you were diagnosed, and what meds you take. l was tried with inspira before spiroclactone and my kidney function deteriorated. l am concerned about the long term effects of the meds. you are right about other things to worry about than PA, however when your going through it, and having to deal with symptoms it can be hard especially when no one knows what you are talking about.Regards Walcott- hyperaldosteronism From: shahall Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:46:54 -0800Subject: To I can sympathize with you, , I also have bilateral disease and therefore am not a candidate for surgery. We'll never be "cured" of PA but we can control our BP's with a MC receptor blocker and by DASHing. Men sometimes have trouble with the feminizing side-effects of spiro, have you tried Inspra? I'm not sure why your doctor put you on Amlodipine though, CC blockers generally don't work well on us. DASHing helped my nocturia to some degree but I still get up at least once and sometimes twice a night to pee and I'm still bothered by occasional night sweats. But believe me, there absolutely are worse things to have than PA. Good luck,a From: Walcott- <hwn_2001hotmail>Subject: RE: Why do we want salt?hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:45 AMhello Dr Grimjust got back from Barts hosiptal, today they have confirmed Avs test show that both my Adrenals are producing adolestrone. they have told me that surgery to remove the adrenals is not an option, therefore they will increased my spirolactone and they have introduced Amolodipineis their anything else that can be done to cured me of this dreaded condition, the worst thing is the night sweats and the the constant peeing and all the side effects from the medication including low labido l think it is now impacting on my marriage.pls can you advise on the way forward. Regards Walcott- Not got a Hotmail account? Sign-up now - Free

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Thanks for your e-mail, however l am black therefore the food suggestions are useful and can easily be obtained in the ukRegards Walcott-

hyperaldosteronism From: kmfodwo@...Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:01:23 -0800Subject: Re: To

- just realised you are in the UK - ah well forget the Jamaica food comments then they may well be useful for the gentleman from Jamaica - the kidney deterioration function is so far for me not a problem on Inspra so long as I am well hydrated - maybe you should go back on Inspra and make sure you are well hydrated and also well fed - food and eating well is very important but no salt!!!!

From: Walcott- <hwn_2001hotmail (DOT) com>Subject: RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Why do we want salt?hyperaldosteronismDate: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:45 AM

hello Dr Grimjust got back from Barts hosiptal, today they have confirmed Avs test show that both my Adrenals are producing adolestrone. they have told me that surgery to remove the adrenals is not an option, therefore they will increased my spirolactone and they have introduced Amolodipineis their anything else that can be done to cured me of this dreaded condition, the worst thing is the night sweats and the the constant peeing and all the side effects from the medication including low labido l think it is now impacting on my marriage.pls can you advise on the way forward. Regards Walcott-

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The DASH study reported that blacks responded much better to the DASH than whites. I suggested about 23 years ago (1987) that the greater SS in the African Diaspora is a consequence of selective survival (evolution) during slavery. Some refs below. Actually this would make a great Group: Salt, Slavery, and High Blood Pressure Today in the African Diapora. Have not searched to see if there are any adressing this topic. Maybe some one can look? 1.

Grim,

CE, On Slavery, Salt and the Greater Prevalence of Hypertension in Black

Americans. Clin Research, 36: 430,

1988.

1. Grim CE, TW. The worldwide epidemiology of hypertension in blacks with a note on a new theory for the greater prevalence of hypertension in Western Hemisphere blacks. in Enwonwu CO [ed] Hypertension in Blacks and Other Minorities: 1988 Conference Proceeding of the Second Annual Nutrition Workshop. Nashville, Tennessee: Meharry Medical College, 1989: 57-73. 1. Grim CE, TW. Blood pressure in Blacks: Twin Studies in Barbados. Hypertension 1990;15:803-808. 1. TW, Grim CE. Biohistory of slavery and blood pressure differences in blacks today: a hypothesis. Hypertension 1991;17(Suppl I):I-122-I-128. 1. TW, Holifield LR Grim CE. Systolic Blood Pressure levels in Black populations in sub-Sahra Africa, the West Indies and the United states: a Meta-analysis. Hypertension 1991;18:(Supp I)I-87-I-91). 2. TW, Grim CE The possible relationship between the trans-Atlantic slave trade and blood pressure in Blacks today. in The Atlantic Slave Trade: Gainers and Losers. ph E. Inikori and Stanley E. Engerman (eds), Durham: Duke Univ. Press, 1992, p 339-359. 2. TW, Grim CE. Hypertension. In the Cambridge History and Geography of Human Disease. Kiple KF ed. , Editor. Cambridge: Cambridge Press, 789-794. 1993.4. Grim CE, TW. Salt, Slavery and Survival: Physiological principles underlying the evolutionary hypothesis of salt sensitive hypertension in western hemisphere blacks. in the Pathophysiology of Hypertension In Blacks. Fray JCS, JG, (eds) New York, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp 22-48. 6. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation, in Genetic Factors in Coronary Heart Disease. Ed U. Goldbourt, U. De Faire, K Berg, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands, 1994, p 153-177. 7. Grim CE, Henry JP, Myers H. High blood pressure in Blacks: Salt, slavery, survival, stress and racism. in Hypertension edited by JH Laragh and BA Brenner. Raven Press, NYC, 1995, p 171-207.1. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation in Blacks: Genetic Factors. Seminars in Nephrology 1996;16:83-93.1. TW, Grim CE. Sodium and Hypertension. The Cambridge World History of Food and Nutrition. Ed K. Kiple, Cambridge Univ Press. Cambridge. 2000. 1. Grim CE, M. Commentary: salt, slavery and survival- hypertension in the African diaspora. Epidemiology 2003;14:120-2.1. Kidambi S, Kotchen JM, Grim CE, Raff H, Mao J, Singh RJ, Kotchen TA. Association of Adrenal Steroids With Hypertension and the Metabolic Syndrome in Blacks. Hypertension. 2006 Dec 11; [Epub ahead of print], Hypertension. 2007 Mar;49(3):704-11.1.

Grim

CE, TW. The worldwide

epidemiology of hypertension in blacks with a note on a new theory for the

greater prevalence of hypertension in Western Hemisphere blacks. in Enwonwu CO

[ed] Hypertension in Blacks and Other Minorities: 1988 Conference Proceeding of

the Second Annual Nutrition Workshop. Nashville, Tennessee: Meharry Medical

College, 1989: 57-73.

1.

Grim

CE, TW. Blood pressure in

Blacks: Twin Studies in

Barbados. Hypertension

1990;15:803-808. 1.

TW, Grim CE. Biohistory of slavery

and blood pressure differences in blacks today: a hypothesis.

Hypertension 1991;17(Suppl I):I-122-I-128.

1.

TW, Holifield LR Grim CE. Systolic

Blood Pressure levels in Black populations in sub-Sahra Africa, the West Indies

and the United states: a

Meta-analysis. Hypertension 1991;18:(Supp

I)I-87-I-91). 2.

TW, Grim CE The possible

relationship between the trans-Atlantic slave trade and blood pressure in

Blacks today. in The Atlantic

Slave Trade: Gainers and

Losers. ph E. Inikori and

Stanley E. Engerman (eds), Durham: Duke Univ. Press, 1992, p 339-359. 2.

TW, Grim CE. Hypertension. In the Cambridge History and Geography

of Human Disease. Kiple KF ed. ,

Editor. Cambridge: Cambridge

Press, 789-794. 1993.4.

Grim

CE, TW. Salt, Slavery and

Survival: Physiological principles

underlying the evolutionary hypothesis of salt sensitive hypertension in

western hemisphere blacks. in the

Pathophysiology of Hypertension In Blacks. Fray JCS, JG, (eds) New York, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp 22-48. 6.

Grim

CE, M. Blood Pressure

Variation, in Genetic Factors in Coronary Heart Disease. Ed U. Goldbourt, U. De Faire, K Berg,

Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands, 1994, p 153-177. 7.

Grim

CE, Henry JP, Myers H. High

blood pressure in Blacks: Salt,

slavery, survival, stress and racism. in Hypertension edited by JH Laragh and

BA Brenner. Raven Press, NYC,

1995, p 171-207. 1.

Grim

CE, M. Blood Pressure

Variation in Blacks: Genetic

Factors. Seminars in Nephrology 1996;16:83-93.1.

TW, Grim CE. Sodium and

Hypertension. The Cambridge World

History of Food and Nutrition. Ed K. Kiple, Cambridge Univ Press. Cambridge. 2000. 1.

Grim

CE, M. Commentary: salt, slavery and survival- hypertension in the

African diaspora. Epidemiology 2003;14:120-2.

1.

Kidambi

S, Kotchen JM, Grim CE, Raff H, Mao J, Singh RJ, Kotchen TA. Association of

Adrenal Steroids With Hypertension and the Metabolic Syndrome in Blacks.

Hypertension. 2006 Dec 11; [Epub ahead of print], Hypertension.

2007 Mar;49(3):704-11.

CE Grim MDOn Jan 16, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Walcott- wrote:Thanks for your e-mail, however l am black therefore the food suggestions are useful and can easily be obtained in the ukRegards Walcott- hyperaldosteronism From: kmfodwo .auDate: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:01:23 -0800Subject: Re: To - just realised you are in the UK - ah well forget the Jamaica food comments then they may well be useful for the gentleman from Jamaica - the kidney deterioration function is so far for me not a problem on Inspra so long as I am well hydrated - maybe you should go back on Inspra and make sure you are well hydrated and also well fed - food and eating well is very important but no salt!!!!From: Walcott- <hwn_2001hotmail (DOT) com>Subject: RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Why do we want salt?hyperaldosteronismDate: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:45 AMhello Dr Grimjust got back from Barts hosiptal, today they have confirmed Avs test show that both my Adrenals are producing adolestrone. they have told me that surgery to remove the adrenals is not an option, therefore they will increased my spirolactone and they have introduced Amolodipineis their anything else that can be done to cured me of this dreaded condition, the worst thing is the night sweats and the the constant peeing and all the side effects from the medication including low labido l think it is now impacting on my marriage.pls can you advise on the way forward. Regards Walcott- Not got a Hotmail account? Sign-up now - Free See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Do you want a Hotmail account? Sign-up now - Free

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Thank you for the extensive reading list should be interesting researchRegards Walcott-

hyperaldosteronism From: lowerbp2@...Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:22:58 -0600Subject: Re: To

The DASH study reported that blacks responded much better to the DASH than whites. I suggested about 23 years ago (1987) that the greater SS in the African Diaspora is a consequence of selective survival (evolution) during slavery. Some refs below. Actually this would make a great Group: Salt, Slavery, and High Blood Pressure Today in the African Diapora. Have not searched to see if there are any adressing this topic. Maybe some one can look?

1. Grim, CE, On Slavery, Salt and the Greater Prevalence of Hypertension in Black Americans. Clin Research, 36: 430, 1988.

1. Grim CE, TW. The worldwide epidemiology of hypertension in blacks with a note on a new theory for the greater prevalence of hypertension in Western Hemisphere blacks. in Enwonwu CO [ed] Hypertension in Blacks and Other Minorities: 1988 Conference Proceeding of the Second Annual Nutrition Workshop. Nashville, Tennessee: Meharry Medical College, 1989: 57-73.

1. Grim CE, TW. Blood pressure in Blacks: Twin Studies in Barbados. Hypertension 1990;15:803-808.

1. TW, Grim CE. Biohistory of slavery and blood pressure differences in blacks today: a hypothesis. Hypertension 1991;17(Suppl I):I-122-I-128.

1. TW, Holifield LR Grim CE. Systolic Blood Pressure levels in Black populations in sub-Sahra Africa, the West Indies and the United states: a Meta-analysis. Hypertension 1991;18:(Supp I)I-87-I-91).

2. TW, Grim CE The possible relationship between the trans-Atlantic slave trade and blood pressure in Blacks today. in The Atlantic Slave Trade: Gainers and Losers. ph E. Inikori and Stanley E. Engerman (eds), Durham: Duke Univ. Press, 1992, p 339-359.

2. TW, Grim CE. Hypertension. In the Cambridge History and Geography of Human Disease. Kiple KF ed. , Editor. Cambridge: Cambridge Press, 789-794. 1993.

4. Grim CE, TW. Salt, Slavery and Survival: Physiological principles underlying the evolutionary hypothesis of salt sensitive hypertension in western hemisphere blacks. in the Pathophysiology of Hypertension In Blacks. Fray JCS, JG, (eds) New York, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp 22-48.

6. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation, in Genetic Factors in Coronary Heart Disease. Ed U. Goldbourt, U. De Faire, K Berg, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands, 1994, p 153-177.

7. Grim CE, Henry JP, Myers H. High blood pressure in Blacks: Salt, slavery, survival, stress and racism. in Hypertension edited by JH Laragh and BA Brenner. Raven Press, NYC, 1995, p 171-207.

1. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation in Blacks: Genetic Factors. Seminars in Nephrology 1996;16:83-93.

1. TW, Grim CE. Sodium and Hypertension. The Cambridge World History of Food and Nutrition. Ed K. Kiple, Cambridge Univ Press. Cambridge. 2000.

1. Grim CE, M. Commentary: salt, slavery and survival- hypertension in the African diaspora. Epidemiology 2003;14:120-2.

1. Kidambi S, Kotchen JM, Grim CE, Raff H, Mao J, Singh RJ, Kotchen TA. Association of Adrenal Steroids With Hypertension and the Metabolic Syndrome in Blacks. Hypertension. 2006 Dec 11; [Epub ahead of print], Hypertension. 2007 Mar;49(3):704-11.

1. Grim CE, TW. The worldwide epidemiology of hypertension in blacks with a note on a new theory for the greater prevalence of hypertension in Western Hemisphere blacks. in Enwonwu CO [ed] Hypertension in Blacks and Other Minorities: 1988 Conference Proceeding of the Second Annual Nutrition Workshop. Nashville, Tennessee: Meharry Medical College, 1989: 57-73.

1. Grim CE, TW. Blood pressure in Blacks: Twin Studies in Barbados. Hypertension 1990;15:803-808.

1. TW, Grim CE. Biohistory of slavery and blood pressure differences in blacks today: a hypothesis. Hypertension 1991;17(Suppl I):I-122-I-128.

1. TW, Holifield LR Grim CE. Systolic Blood Pressure levels in Black populations in sub-Sahra Africa, the West Indies and the United states: a Meta-analysis. Hypertension 1991;18:(Supp I)I-87-I-91).

2. TW, Grim CE The possible relationship between the trans-Atlantic slave trade and blood pressure in Blacks today. in The Atlantic Slave Trade: Gainers and Losers. ph E. Inikori and Stanley E. Engerman (eds), Durham: Duke Univ. Press, 1992, p 339-359.

2. TW, Grim CE. Hypertension. In the Cambridge History and Geography of Human Disease. Kiple KF ed. , Editor. Cambridge: Cambridge Press, 789-794. 1993.

4. Grim CE, TW. Salt, Slavery and Survival: Physiological principles underlying the evolutionary hypothesis of salt sensitive hypertension in western hemisphere blacks. in the Pathophysiology of Hypertension In Blacks. Fray JCS, JG, (eds) New York, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp 22-48.

6. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation, in Genetic Factors in Coronary Heart Disease. Ed U. Goldbourt, U. De Faire, K Berg, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands, 1994, p 153-177.

7. Grim CE, Henry JP, Myers H. High blood pressure in Blacks: Salt, slavery, survival, stress and racism. in Hypertension edited by JH Laragh and BA Brenner. Raven Press, NYC, 1995, p 171-207.

1. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation in Blacks: Genetic Factors. Seminars in Nephrology 1996;16:83-93.

1. TW, Grim CE. Sodium and Hypertension. The Cambridge World History of Food and Nutrition. Ed K. Kiple, Cambridge Univ Press. Cambridge. 2000.

1. Grim CE, M. Commentary: salt, slavery and survival- hypertension in the African diaspora. Epidemiology 2003;14:120-2.

1. Kidambi S, Kotchen JM, Grim CE, Raff H, Mao J, Singh RJ, Kotchen TA. Association of Adrenal Steroids With Hypertension and the Metabolic Syndrome in Blacks. Hypertension. 2006 Dec 11; [Epub ahead of print], Hypertension. 2007 Mar;49(3):704-11.

CE Grim MD

On Jan 16, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Walcott- wrote:

Thanks for your e-mail, however l am black therefore the food suggestions are useful and can easily be obtained in the ukRegards Walcott-

hyperaldosteronism From: kmfodwo .auDate: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:01:23 -0800Subject: Re: To

- just realised you are in the UK - ah well forget the Jamaica food comments then they may well be useful for the gentleman from Jamaica - the kidney deterioration function is so far for me not a problem on Inspra so long as I am well hydrated - maybe you should go back on Inspra and make sure you are well hydrated and also well fed - food and eating well is very important but no salt!!!!

From: Walcott- <hwn_2001hotmail (DOT) com>Subject: RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Why do we want salt?hyperaldosteronismDate: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:45 AM

hello Dr Grimjust got back from Barts hosiptal, today they have confirmed Avs test show that both my Adrenals are producing adolestrone. they have told me that surgery to remove the adrenals is not an option, therefore they will increased my spirolactone and they have introduced Amolodipineis their anything else that can be done to cured me of this dreaded condition, the worst thing is the night sweats and the the constant peeing and all the side effects from the medication including low labido l think it is now impacting on my marriage.pls can you advise on the way forward. Regards Walcott-

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I was almost booed off the stage and accused of being a racist when I presented it in London at a meeting of the International Society of Hypertension in Blacks. BTW I am now a Board member of this group.Let me know what you think.CE Grim MDOn Jan 16, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Walcott- wrote:To Dr GrimThank you for the extensive reading list should be interesting researchRegards Walcott- hyperaldosteronism From: lowerbp2macDate: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:22:58 -0600Subject: Re: To The DASH study reported that blacks responded much better to the DASH than whites. I suggested about 23 years ago (1987) that the greater SS in the African Diaspora is a consequence of selective survival (evolution) during slavery. Some refs below. Actually this would make a great Group: Salt, Slavery, and High Blood Pressure Today in the African Diapora. Have not searched to see if there are any adressing this topic. Maybe some one can look? 1. Grim, CE, On Slavery, Salt and the Greater Prevalence of Hypertension in Black Americans. Clin Research, 36: 430, 1988. 1. Grim CE, TW. The worldwide epidemiology of hypertension in blacks with a note on a new theory for the greater prevalence of hypertension in Western Hemisphere blacks. in Enwonwu CO [ed] Hypertension in Blacks and Other Minorities: 1988 Conference Proceeding of the Second Annual Nutrition Workshop. Nashville, Tennessee: Meharry Medical College, 1989: 57-73. 1. Grim CE, TW. Blood pressure in Blacks: Twin Studies in Barbados. Hypertension 1990;15:803-808. 1. TW, Grim CE. Biohistory of slavery and blood pressure differences in blacks today: a hypothesis. Hypertension 1991;17(Suppl I):I-122-I-128. 1. TW, Holifield LR Grim CE. Systolic Blood Pressure levels in Black populations in sub-Sahra Africa, the West Indies and the United states: a Meta-analysis. Hypertension 1991;18:(Supp I)I-87-I-91). 2. TW, Grim CE The possible relationship between the trans-Atlantic slave trade and blood pressure in Blacks today. in The Atlantic Slave Trade: Gainers and Losers. ph E. Inikori and Stanley E. Engerman (eds), Durham: Duke Univ. Press, 1992, p 339-359. 2. TW, Grim CE. Hypertension. In the Cambridge History and Geography of Human Disease. Kiple KF ed. , Editor. Cambridge: Cambridge Press, 789-794. 1993.4. Grim CE, TW. Salt, Slavery and Survival: Physiological principles underlying the evolutionary hypothesis of salt sensitive hypertension in western hemisphere blacks. in the Pathophysiology of Hypertension In Blacks. Fray JCS, JG, (eds) New York, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp 22-48. 6. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation, in Genetic Factors in Coronary Heart Disease. Ed U. Goldbourt, U. De Faire, K Berg, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands, 1994, p 153-177. 7. Grim CE, Henry JP, Myers H. High blood pressure in Blacks: Salt, slavery, survival, stress and racism. in Hypertension edited by JH Laragh and BA Brenner. Raven Press, NYC, 1995, p 171-207.1. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation in Blacks: Genetic Factors. Seminars in Nephrology 1996;16:83-93.1. TW, Grim CE. Sodium and Hypertension. The Cambridge World History of Food and Nutrition. Ed K. Kiple, Cambridge Univ Press. Cambridge. 2000. 1. Grim CE, M. Commentary: salt, slavery and survival- hypertension in the African diaspora. Epidemiology 2003;14:120-2.1. Kidambi S, Kotchen JM, Grim CE, Raff H, Mao J, Singh RJ, Kotchen TA. Association of Adrenal Steroids With Hypertension and the Metabolic Syndrome in Blacks. Hypertension. 2006 Dec 11; [Epub ahead of print], Hypertension. 2007 Mar;49(3):704-11.1. Grim CE, TW. The worldwide epidemiology of hypertension in blacks with a note on a new theory for the greater prevalence of hypertension in Western Hemisphere blacks. in Enwonwu CO [ed] Hypertension in Blacks and Other Minorities: 1988 Conference Proceeding of the Second Annual Nutrition Workshop. Nashville, Tennessee: Meharry Medical College, 1989: 57-73. 1. Grim CE, TW. Blood pressure in Blacks: Twin Studies in Barbados. Hypertension 1990;15:803-808. 1. TW, Grim CE. Biohistory of slavery and blood pressure differences in blacks today: a hypothesis. Hypertension 1991;17(Suppl I):I-122-I-128. 1. TW, Holifield LR Grim CE. Systolic Blood Pressure levels in Black populations in sub-Sahra Africa, the West Indies and the United states: a Meta-analysis. Hypertension 1991;18:(Supp I)I-87-I-91). 2. TW, Grim CE The possible relationship between the trans-Atlantic slave trade and blood pressure in Blacks today. in The Atlantic Slave Trade: Gainers and Losers. ph E. Inikori and Stanley E. Engerman (eds), Durham: Duke Univ. Press, 1992, p 339-359. 2. TW, Grim CE. Hypertension. In the Cambridge History and Geography of Human Disease. Kiple KF ed. , Editor. Cambridge: Cambridge Press, 789-794. 1993.4. Grim CE, TW. Salt, Slavery and Survival: Physiological principles underlying the evolutionary hypothesis of salt sensitive hypertension in western hemisphere blacks. in the Pathophysiology of Hypertension In Blacks. Fray JCS, JG, (eds) New York, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp 22-48. 6. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation, in Genetic Factors in Coronary Heart Disease. Ed U. Goldbourt, U. De Faire, K Berg, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands, 1994, p 153-177. 7. Grim CE, Henry JP, Myers H. High blood pressure in Blacks: Salt, slavery, survival, stress and racism. in Hypertension edited by JH Laragh and BA Brenner. Raven Press, NYC, 1995, p 171-207.1. Grim CE, M. Blood Pressure Variation in Blacks: Genetic Factors. Seminars in Nephrology 1996;16:83-93.1. TW, Grim CE. Sodium and Hypertension. The Cambridge World History of Food and Nutrition. Ed K. Kiple, Cambridge Univ Press. Cambridge. 2000. 1. Grim CE, M. Commentary: salt, slavery and survival- hypertension in the African diaspora. Epidemiology 2003;14:120-2.1. Kidambi S, Kotchen JM, Grim CE, Raff H, Mao J, Singh RJ, Kotchen TA. Association of Adrenal Steroids With Hypertension and the Metabolic Syndrome in Blacks. Hypertension. 2006 Dec 11; [Epub ahead of print], Hypertension. 2007 Mar;49(3):704-11. CE Grim MDOn Jan 16, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Walcott- wrote:Thanks for your e-mail, however l am black therefore the food suggestions are useful and can easily be obtained in the ukRegards Walcott- hyperaldosteronism From: kmfodwo .auDate: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:01:23 -0800Subject: Re: To - just realised you are in the UK - ah well forget the Jamaica food comments then they may well be useful for the gentleman from Jamaica - the kidney deterioration function is so far for me not a problem on Inspra so long as I am well hydrated - maybe you should go back on Inspra and make sure you are well hydrated and also well fed - food and eating well is very important but no salt!!!!From: Walcott- <hwn_2001hotmail (DOT) com>Subject: RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Why do we want salt?hyperaldosteronismDate: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:45 AMhello Dr Grimjust got back from Barts hosiptal, today they have confirmed Avs test show that both my Adrenals are producing adolestrone. they have told me that surgery to remove the adrenals is not an option, therefore they will increased my spirolactone and they have introduced Amolodipineis their anything else that can be done to cured me of this dreaded condition, the worst thing is the night sweats and the the constant peeing and all the side effects from the medication including low labido l think it is now impacting on my marriage.pls can you advise on the way forward. 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