gallbladder

October 6, 2008

I am not an advocate of any surgery for which there is a safe

alternative, and believe it should be used only as a last resort.

Having said that, I will say this: if you have been positively

diagnosed with gallstones, or gravel in your gallbladder, get it out

ASAP, before you get a really nasty inflammation or other serious

complications.

I was taught, in my nursing education, that cancer of the gallbladder

is rarely found in the absence of stones. This would seem to suggest

that irritation from gallstones tends to encourage the growth of

cancer cells, no? It is 10 years since I retired from nursing, so

maybe the thinking has changed in recent years, but this is still one

thing for which I myself would submit to surgery.

Gallbladder surgery procedures are greatly improved, and it is not

nearly such an ordeal as it used to be. It is safer, with a much

shorter recovery period. Just gather all the information you can to

make an informed decision.

I can't address your question about the Crohn's connection.

Good luck!

Konnie

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> Are there any Crohnies taking LDN and have had problems with their

> gallbladder? I would like to avoid another surgery. I welcome all

> friendly input.

>

October 6, 2008

Konnie,

Just to add to your statements, In my 30+ years in surgery I have seen very little primary gallbladder cancers. This may be because most people want them out due to discomfort or as you point out the nasty inflammation, and it doesn't get a chance to develop. I'll have to ask about that. . I think most GB cancers are pretty much invasive from liver or pancreas lesions. See a LOT of this in ultrasound endoscopy these days. it is frightening. As far as laparoscopic cholecystectomy, It really is a much safer surgery now, minimal anesthesia and better views of the anatomy. This means fewer complication from the trauma of a huge incision and long surgeries with the corresponding embolii. I think Hoss from the Ponderosa died in his 30s after a long cholecystectomy from a PE.

They did try lithotripsy for awhile, but it was not effective. It would be nice to have gallstone busting medication and eliinate the surgery, but even then the wallls of the gallbladder get thick and indurated from the inflammation and it just stops working in some.

At least we have a surgical solution when needed. I am going to e-mail one of the nurses in endoscopy and see if she knows anything about the relationshi to crohns. i am happily vacationing in Hilton Head now and am unable to accost the GI docs!

Best,

BC.

From: floradelvalles <floradelvalles@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: gallbladderlow dose naltrexone Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 8:32 PM

I am not an advocate of any surgery for which there is a safealternative, and believe it should be used only as a last resort.Having said that, I will say this: if you have been positivelydiagnosed with gallstones, or gravel in your gallbladder, get it outASAP, before you get a really nasty inflammation or other seriouscomplications.I was taught, in my nursing education, that cancer of the gallbladderis rarely found in the absence of stones. This would seem to suggestthat irritation from gallstones tends to encourage the growth ofcancer cells, no? It is 10 years since I retired from nursing, somaybe the thinking has changed in recent years, but this is still onething for which I myself would submit to surgery.Gallbladder surgery procedures are greatly improved, and it is notnearly such an ordeal as it used to be. It is safer, with a muchshorter recovery period. Just gather all the information

you can tomake an informed decision.I can't address your question about the Crohn's connection.Good luck!Konnie>> Are there any Crohnies taking LDN and have had problems with their > gallbladder? I would like to avoid another surgery. I welcome all > friendly input.> >

October 6, 2008

I don't have trouble with my gallbladder, but I know that having Crohns often leads to gallbladder problems/or could give inflammation in the gall area...(don't find the english word for it)..

Ingrid

[low dose naltrexone] gallbladderAre there any Crohnies taking LDN and have had problems with their gallbladder? I would like to avoid another surgery. I welcome all friendly input.------------------------------------

April 11, 2009

dear kristi, something completelydifferent, When I saw your name I doubletook!. My name is Christa moorehouse and kristi mor ehouse is awfully much like it isn't it? I thought somebody had mispelled my name. anyway good to see you making progress .I got sleeved 1/16/08 and lsot 60 lbs. Then it stopped and I didn't want to press any further.Makes me look too old. But feel great5now. Good luck to you Christa housr

From: morehousekristi <birtlover@...>Subject: gallbladder Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:01 AM

Hi allKristi here,I was sleeved March 27th down 22 lbs already, but now I have to have my gallbladder out. I have had issues in the past with it but rapid weight loss exacerbates it, so if any of you get symtoms upper back pain kinda burning sensation, shoulder pain and pain in the right side of your rib cage and it won't go away with oct drugs have it checked. I at first thought it was muscles, but it kept getting worse, so keep your eyes open.Loving my new self anywayKristi

April 24, 2009

I have been keeping up with the posts lately and have gotten some good

information. There is always something new to learn about AIH. I sure wish the

hospitals and medical people were well informed. I was rushed into the

Emergency last night with severe chest pains. It's the third time in the last

10 months. This time I was told it was definitely my gallstones. They wanted

to operate immediately, but I was too concerned since I have always had to

" explain " to the medical staff what AIH is all about. Eventhough, the pain was

much greater this time, I didn't do the overnight stay in the hospital. My

records will be sent to my gastro and I'll have to take it from there.

I do have an important question to ask and hope someone out there may have an

answer. Has anyone had their gallbladder removed and, if so, did you have to

get off your meds in advance to the operation? Again, if so, for how long

before the operation? I am on Azathioprine and a few other meds. Sure would

appreciatae some input here!

Welcome to all the newcomers on this site.

Always wishing everyone well. Ellie

-whereyaheaded@...>

Subject: [ ] Just wanted to Share

liversupport-L

Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 6:18 PM

Cookie recipe after the story

When decent people get screwed over, this is the result!

A little background: Neiman-Marcus, if you don't know already, is a very

expensive store;

i.e., they sell your typical $8.00 T-shirt for $50.00.

THIS IS A TRUE STORY!

My daughter and I had just finished a salad at a Neiman-Marcus Cafe In Dallas,

and we decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie

lovers, we decided to try the 'Neiman-Marcus cookie.' It was So excellent that I

asked if they would give me the recipe and the waitress said with a small frown,

'I'm afraid not, but you can buy The Recipe.' Well, I asked how much, and she

responded; ' Only two fifty - it's a Great deal!' I agreed to that, and told her

to just add it to my Tab.

Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement, and the Neiman-Marcus Charge

was $285.00! I looked again, and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two

salads and about $20.00 for a scarf.

As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said,' Cookie Recipe-$250. 00.'

That was Outrageous! I called Neiman's

Accounting Department and told them the waitress said it was 'two-fifty', which

clearly does not mean 'two hundred and fifty dollars' by any reasonable

interpretation of the phrase.

Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money because,

according to them, 'What the waitress told you is not ourproblem. You have

already seen the Recipe. We absolutely will not refund your money at this

point.' I explained to the AccountingDepartmen t lady the criminal statutes

which govern fraud in the Stateof Texas . I threatened to report them to the

Better Business Bureau and the Texas Attorney General's office for engaging in

fraud.

I was basically told, do what you want, don't bother thinking of how you can get

even, and don't bother trying to get any of your money Back. I just said, Okay,

you folks got my $250, and now I'm going to have $250 worth of fun. I told her

that I was going to see to it that every Cookie Lover in the United States with

an e-mail account has a $250 cookie recipe From Neiman-Marcus. ..for free. She

replied, 'I wish you wouldn't do this.' I said, 'Well, perhaps you should have

thought of that before you ripped me off!' and slammed down the phone.

So here it is!

Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid

$250 for this, and I don't want Neiman-Marcus to EVER make another penny off of

this recipe!

NEIMAN-MARCUS COOKIES (Recipe may be halved)

2 cups butter

24 oz. Chocolate chips

4 cups flour

2 cups brown sugar

2 tsp. Soda

1 tsp. Salt

2 cups sugar

1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated)

5 cups blended oatmeal

4 eggs

2 tsp. Baking powder

2 tsp. Vanilla

3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)

Measure oatmeal, and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and

both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla, mix together withflour, oatmeal, salt, baking

powder, and soda . Add chocolate chips, Hershey bar, and nuts. Roll into

balls, and place two inches apart on a cookie Sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375

degrees.

Makes 112 cookies.

April 25, 2009

When I had my gallbladder out I was not on Imuran yet. But they did double my

Predisone. The same when I had a couple of teeth removed.

HTH

Toni

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> I have been keeping up with the posts lately and have gotten some good