Guest guest Posted February 11, 1999 Report Share Posted February 11, 1999 Anyone with gall bladder problems shoud immediately begin drinking the juice of a whole lemon in a glass of OJ twice a day, or start te lemon drink recipe Vilik & I have talked about. http://www.execpc.com/~keephope/lemondrk.html jim Holly wrote: > From: " Holly " <dio7g@...> > > " They are the clowns who remove nearly 1 million > gallbladders EVERY year. " > > And scam artists I might add. > There is much that one must be careful of in alternative > medicine.....there are bad actors there also > > BUT...............Gall bladder flushes are real > and I applaud all who are brave enough to > pursue them and not cave into the medical witch doctors. > > Dan -- jim@... http://www.doorway.to/madscience http://www.doorway.to/poetry ICQ:16531148 amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 1999 Report Share Posted February 15, 1999 >From: MJP54@... >what is the >possibility that a larger stone may get lodged in the bile duct? Should I be >concerned? I know 100 people who have done gallstones flush, and no one have had stone lodged in the bile duct. Largest stone was 3cm in diameter. One person got 30 stones in one flush, all of them larger than 1 cmm. Huda writes about 500 people who have done this (1996). So, this does not mean that something like this will not happend to you !!! This only mean that this has not happend to those 600 people. Answer on other questions you will find on this site: http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/ It is officiel page of the Discussion and Support group Called: " Cleansing Gallstones Without Surgery " .. WARNING ! Cleanse your intestines from parasites, before you do this flush. http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitespage.html Before you start with this cleans, use 1-5 tbsp. of flax seed oil for at least one month ( best two ). When you start using Flax seed oil, start with 1 spoon in the morning, and then increase to up to 3-5 Tbsp. a day. Do not take flax seed oil in the evening, or you may have insomnia problems. Never stop using flaxseed oil. Use it the rest of your life 1tbsp every or every second day. (It prevents gallstones formation) Make sure flax seed oil is fresh. Use Vitamin E supplement together with oil, or eat a lot of green salad ! Best and safest is to take this cleans in the spring time (if you are suffering of gallstones attack.)! If you don't suffer of gallstones attack, you can flush any time. Make pause between flushing, at least 2 weeks. Do not flush if ill. The best is to cleans bowels of intestinal mucus before you start flushing, but it is not " must " . The best is to cleans your teeth from dental metal before you start flushing, but it is not " must " . Be aware that it may take 5 - 10 flushes altogether to cleanse all from your liver. (people have had more than 2000 stones.) Already after 5 flushes, your liver will function much better. You do not have to do 5 flushes, if in the fourth flush you don't get any stone. Already one year after that main cleanse, your liver may build up enough stones for the next flush. It is suggested to make one flush in every 6 months. If you do that, your digestion will be better than ever. It may be even better than when you were a child. You will need half of the food that you have eaten before flushes. ---------------------------------------- " Gallbladder operation is the most common operation in North America. Every year, more than half a million people in the United States and more than 50,000 people in Canada undergo surgery to remove their gallbladders because of gallstones. " -------------------- 90% of people have gallstones 80% of people do not know that they have gallstones 50% of children ( older than 6 ) have gallstones ---------------------- Approximately 80% of all gallstones show no symptoms and may remain " silent " for years. " ----------------------- More than 60 % of Americans will in their life develop some of these problems: Colitis, Leukemia, Chron's disease, Irritable bowel syndrome, Tumors, Allergies, Arthritis, Cancer... ---------------- Many of then would avoid it, if cleansing gallstones regularly. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dusan Stojkovic List Administrator of the List Called: " Cleansing Gallstones Without Surgery " gallstonesonelist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 I have had gall stones on and off for a number of years and have been advised to have my gallbladder removed. I would rather use the flushes. My only concern is if the flush releases the stones from the gallbladder what is the possibility that a larger stone may get lodged in the bile duct? Should I be concerned? Thanks to all of you,for all of the help I have received to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 The epsom salts relax/dilate the bile ducts. The olive oil lets the stone slide through the duct. Many stones are not rock hard. The hard stones are something to think about but I would do it before I had my gall bladder removed. If you are concerned do the flush and keep the phone nearby to call 911.Have your car keys ready People DO NOT DIE from stones lodged in the bile ducts [ I am serious......not a joke] dan Re: Gallbladder >From: " Dusan Stojkovic " <dusan_stojkovic@...> > >>From: MJP54@... >>what is the >>possibility that a larger stone may get lodged in the bile duct? Should >I be >>concerned? > > >I know 100 people who have done gallstones flush, and no one have had >stone lodged in the bile duct. > >Largest stone was 3cm in diameter. >One person got 30 stones in one flush, all of them larger than 1 cmm. > >Huda writes about 500 people who have done this (1996). > >So, this does not mean that something like this will not happend to you >!!! > >This only mean that this has not happend to those 600 people. > > >Answer on other questions you will find on this site: >http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/ >It is officiel page of the Discussion and Support group Called: > " Cleansing Gallstones Without Surgery " >. > > >WARNING ! > >Cleanse your intestines from parasites, before you do this flush. >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitespage.html > >Before you start with this cleans, use 1-5 tbsp. of flax seed oil for at >least one month ( best two ). > >When you start using Flax seed oil, start with 1 spoon in the morning, >and then increase to up to 3-5 Tbsp. a day. > >Do not take flax seed oil in the evening, or you may have insomnia >problems. > >Never stop using flaxseed oil. > >Use it the rest of your life 1tbsp every or every second day. >(It prevents gallstones formation) > >Make sure flax seed oil is fresh. Use Vitamin E supplement together with >oil, or eat a lot of green salad ! > >Best and safest is to take this cleans in the spring time >(if you are suffering of gallstones attack.)! > >If you don't suffer of gallstones attack, you can flush any time. > >Make pause between flushing, at least 2 weeks. > >Do not flush if ill. > > >The best is to cleans bowels of intestinal mucus before you start >flushing, but it is not " must " . >The best is to cleans your teeth from dental metal before you start >flushing, but it is not " must " . > > >Be aware that it may take 5 - 10 flushes altogether to cleanse all from >your liver. (people have had more than 2000 stones.) > >Already after 5 flushes, your liver will function much better. > >You do not have to do 5 flushes, if in the fourth flush you don't get >any stone. > > >Already one year after that main cleanse, your liver may build up enough >stones for the next flush. > > >It is suggested to make one flush in every 6 months. > > >If you do that, your digestion will be better than ever. > > >It may be even better than when you were a child. > > >You will need half of the food that you have eaten before flushes. >---------------------------------------- > " Gallbladder operation is the most common operation in North America. >Every year, more than half a million people in the United States and >more than 50,000 people in Canada undergo surgery to remove their >gallbladders because of gallstones. " >-------------------- > >90% of people have gallstones > >80% of people do not know that they have gallstones > >50% of children ( older than 6 ) have gallstones >---------------------- > >Approximately 80% of all gallstones show no symptoms >and may remain " silent " for years. " >----------------------- > >More than 60 % of Americans will in their life develop some of these >problems: Colitis, Leukemia, Chron's disease, Irritable bowel syndrome, >Tumors, Allergies, Arthritis, Cancer... >---------------- >Many of then would avoid it, if cleansing gallstones regularly. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Dusan Stojkovic >List Administrator of the List Called: > " Cleansing Gallstones Without Surgery " > >gallstonesonelist > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 MJP54@... wrote: > I have had gall stones on and off for a number of years and have been advised > to have my gallbladder removed. I would rather use the flushes. My only > concern is if the flush releases the stones from the gallbladder what is the > possibility that a larger stone may get lodged in the bile duct? Should I be > concerned? People have reportedly passed soft cholesteral stones as large as golfalls. I have personally passed some as big as nickels in diameter, and scores as big as dimes, and never felt a thing. Keep your gall bladder. If it is cut out the same thing will happen again only there will be less room for them. If you give a man a hammer, all he can do is hit nails with it. They give some doctors scalpels. jim -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry ICQ:16531148 amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 Dear MJP54, The Epsom salts open the tubes in the liver and the bile duct so no stones will get stuck. Thousands have done this without incident. Best of Health! Saul Pressman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 Hi Sue, I had a friend that did that. She said it was a trip, but she felt better afterwards. She said she stayed home the entire time. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hi Sue. It's been quite a while since we've spoken. So, how are you getting along with Dr. McC? What is he treating you with and how are you responding? Why are you concerned about your gallbladder? Are you on Rocephin? Please get in touch. I'd like to hear how you're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Rest well, Peggy. Then let us know you're Ok. PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Peggy, Glad you are OK and the surgery is over! Good luck on your recovery. in GA Gallbladder > Hi Everyone! > > I had my gallbladder surgery on Monday. I was able to have it done lap and I came home the same day as surgery. I am very tired and sore, but I am so grateful I didn't have to be opened up, I can't complain. I wanted to say thank you to everyone that said a prayer for me about my surgery. Your support and prayers really helped. I am truly blessed to have such a great support group to turn to. I'm going to go lie down now. Thank you again! > > Peggy in Ohio > 12/29/00 > 269/183 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Wonderful!! I said a prayer for you periodically through the weekend and all day. I am so happy they could do it lap. Pat Gallbladder Hi Everyone! I had my gallbladder surgery on Monday. I was able to have it done lap and I came home the same day as surgery. I am very tired and sore, but I am so grateful I didn't have to be opened up, I can't complain. I wanted to say thank you to everyone that said a prayer for me about my surgery. Your support and prayers really helped. I am truly blessed to have such a great support group to turn to. I'm going to go lie down now. Thank you again! Peggy in Ohio 12/29/00 269/183 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Peggy, Welcome back! Glad it was lap, I had the open and am thrilled that you didn't! Take care and rest well! in Ark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Hey Peggy, Glad everything went as WE all had planned! LOL I'll be praying for your speedy recovery Rosemary Gallbladder > Hi Everyone! > > I had my gallbladder surgery on Monday. I was able to have it done lap and I came home the same day as surgery. I am very tired and sore, but I am so grateful I didn't have to be opened up, I can't complain. I wanted to say thank you to everyone that said a prayer for me about my surgery. Your support and prayers really helped. I am truly blessed to have such a great support group to turn to. I'm going to go lie down now. Thank you again! > > Peggy in Ohio > 12/29/00 > 269/183 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Peggy, I too had to have surgery, and now was on the computer and I read your post and haad to write to you. I hope today is saturday and maybe by now you are feeling better. I had emergency hernia repair but they had to do it open, it was too big to do lazer. I am feeling ok today. I am just very weak I can not seem to eat anything, I try but it is like when we first had MGB you do not want anything at all. And I guess because of that I feel so weak. Today is a little better than yesterday. I just can not do anything, or lift anything or drive so I feel like I am in jail. But I thank God that things went well, I was so afraid that this had to do with MGB, but it is not related . Well take care I have to go now. Just wanted to say hi! Rosemary Commisso (MGB DrR Jan 26,2001 297-230 now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 I was curious about how many are having gallbladder pain(stones) or have already had the surgery. Lap or open? How soon after MGB, and did they have problems before MGB. I know this occurs after loss/gain. How did you do after the surgery, open or lap? Just general info to give me something to look forward to. Thanks, Overman 2/5/01 245/167/140? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 Hi: I use to work in the er and we had a saying for people who we thought were having gb problems. Female, fat, forty, and firtile. Because of fast foods this has changed and people donot always fit into that category. Many more young people and males are having gb trouble. I had my gb out many years ago and it was open. It was not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. I went shopping in 1 week post op. I had 1 infant and a toddler and early teenager. So I did what I had to and got along terrific. Dr. Rutledge did say I had adhesions and it took 42 minutes to do my surgery but I didn't have anything else planned for that day so it didn't matter to me. Phyllis in fla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Hi, My name is Melody and I just had my gall bladder removed and I'm 5 1/2 months post MGB. I was unable to take the actgall that Dr. Rutledge recommended after surgery. Actigall helps prevent gallstones. This medication made me pretty nauseated. Anyway, I had my gall bladder surgery laproscopiclly and my surgeon was able to use some of the same sites Dr. R used during the MGB. I'm feeling much better. Hope this gives you the information you needed. Melody MGB 3/22/01 240-160 Re: Re:Gallbladder > I was curious about how many are having gallbladder pain(stones) or have > already had the surgery. Lap or open? How soon after MGB, and did they have > problems before MGB. I know this occurs after loss/gain. How did you do after > the surgery, open or lap? Just general info to give me something to look > forward to. Thanks, > > Overman > > 2/5/01 245/167/140? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Hope your feeling better real soon! in OK 303/209 mgb 3/29/01 In a message dated 09/01/2001 1:54:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, melodyh@... writes: << Hi, My name is Melody and I just had my gall bladder removed and I'm 5 1/2 months post MGB. I was unable to take the actgall that Dr. Rutledge recommended after surgery. Actigall helps prevent gallstones. This medication made me pretty nauseated. Anyway, I had my gall bladder surgery laproscopiclly and my surgeon was able to use some of the same sites Dr. R used during the MGB. I'm feeling much better. Hope this gives you the information you needed. Melody MGB 3/22/01 240-160 >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Thanks for the info Melody, I hope to find out when I will get this gallbladder episode behind me on Tuesday. I am glad to hear you did so well. It gives me something to look forward to. I plan on attending the picnic, everyone please pray this will be over by then. Hope to be there, Overman 2/5/01 245/165/140? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Good luck to you! I know you will feel so much better after the surgery. I'm going back to work this week just two weeks after surgery. I feel so much better. Let me know how you are doing. Melody MGB 3/22/01 240/160 Gallbladder > Hi Melody > Glad to hear that you had a safe surgery and feel better. I didnt have any > problem taking the actigall and took it every day twice a day for 8 1/2 > months. I am preop for gallbladder now. > I hope that they can use some of these port holes from MGB, but if not, I > just want to get it out of here! > Hope you are enjoying that beautiful state of Texas. No other place like it. > I grew up there and miss it alot. > Carla > MGB 12-15-00 > 312 / 187 > pre op gallbladder 09-04-01 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Hope you are doing well. Keep me posted on your progress. Melody Re: Re:Gallbladder > Thanks for the info Melody, I hope to find out when I will get this > gallbladder episode behind me on Tuesday. I am glad to hear you did so well. > It gives me something to look forward to. I plan on attending the picnic, > everyone please pray this will be over by then. Hope to be there, > Overman 2/5/01 245/165/140? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 : Thanks for the post, but I missed something - - WHAT was the gallbladder cleanse? Best Wishes, karen an observation > > > I've been reading a lot lately about internal > cleansing and learning a lot about the digestive > system and just all the internal organs in general. > In reading about the gallbladder I have read a long > list of symptoms that could develop from gallbladder > problems. The pain, which I only experienced right > below my chest, can be felt in the back, in the > shoulder blades and even in the shoulder. It > typically goes to the right, which is the side the > gallbladder is on. > > > Here's what makes it interesting to me. In recent > years I have had a problem with my right hip which my > doctor couldn't really figure out. He recommended > swimming as a way of keeping it loose. He determined > that the problem was not in the bone itself, which was > encouraging, but I hadn't done anything, physically, > to injure it - not that I could recall, anyway. I > was on a trip to California and when I changed planes > in Chicago I could barely walk because of the pain. > That was the first sign of it and it has been off and > on ever since. > > > Then, about a year ago I developed some pain in my > right arm and my shoulder. Again, I couldn't really > think of anything I had done to strain it and while > keeping active in the pool seemed to help it, I > couldn't really correlate activity to when the pain > decreased. It just sort of came and went. > > > I didn't really think about this until after I had > done the second gallbladder cleanse. I felt great and > then started sliding with my eating habits. I knew > that I was putting myself at risk for another > gallbladder attack, but I sort of ignored it. What's > interesting to me is that since letting those eating > habits slide I started to feel that pain in my > shoulder AND my hip again. I know without a doubt > that I have not done anything physically to cause pain > in these two areas, so I am convinced that there is a > connection with the gallbladder. > > > I'm going to continue with the healthier dietary > habits and also continue doing the gallbladder > cleanses every two weeks and will also be doing a > bowel cleanse in the near future. I will definitely > pay attention to how my shoulder and hip feel as time > goes by. This is really interesting to me!! > > > Just wanted to share that, > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 , I don't know either, but I suppose she refers to Dr. Hulda 's series of cleansings. Dr. Schulze also has several cleansings. This message was forwarded to me from another group. Hope that helps, an observation > > > I've been reading a lot lately about internal > cleansing and learning a lot about the digestive > system and just all the internal organs in general. > In reading about the gallbladder I have read a long > list of symptoms that could develop from gallbladder > problems. The pain, which I only experienced right > below my chest, can be felt in the back, in the > shoulder blades and even in the shoulder. It > typically goes to the right, which is the side the > gallbladder is on. > > > Here's what makes it interesting to me. In recent > years I have had a problem with my right hip which my > doctor couldn't really figure out. He recommended > swimming as a way of keeping it loose. He determined > that the problem was not in the bone itself, which was > encouraging, but I hadn't done anything, physically, > to injure it - not that I could recall, anyway. I > was on a trip to California and when I changed planes > in Chicago I could barely walk because of the pain. > That was the first sign of it and it has been off and > on ever since. > > > Then, about a year ago I developed some pain in my > right arm and my shoulder. Again, I couldn't really > think of anything I had done to strain it and while > keeping active in the pool seemed to help it, I > couldn't really correlate activity to when the pain > decreased. It just sort of came and went. > > > I didn't really think about this until after I had > done the second gallbladder cleanse. I felt great and > then started sliding with my eating habits. I knew > that I was putting myself at risk for another > gallbladder attack, but I sort of ignored it. What's > interesting to me is that since letting those eating > habits slide I started to feel that pain in my > shoulder AND my hip again. I know without a doubt > that I have not done anything physically to cause pain > in these two areas, so I am convinced that there is a > connection with the gallbladder. > > > I'm going to continue with the healthier dietary > habits and also continue doing the gallbladder > cleanses every two weeks and will also be doing a > bowel cleanse in the near future. I will definitely > pay attention to how my shoulder and hip feel as time > goes by. This is really interesting to me!! > > > Just wanted to share that, > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Hi, Although I have heard many good stories about gallbladder cleanses, it makes me very nervous even to think about it. Often people have gravel like stones that are too large to be easily passed. Then the person takes something to soften or partially dissolve the stone(s) making them small enough to leave the gallbladder but large enough to get caught in the common bile duct or even move into the pancreatic duct. DH had a stone in the common b duct - excruciating pain and a very serious condition.... Be careful! Do you know what you have in terms of size and number? I had my GB removed laparscopically - 1 very large stone causing a lot of trouble. Surgery was a piece of cake - out of hospital in 4 hours, practically no pain meds and off to a musical my daughter was in the next night. Sure it would have been better to keep my GB but it was really sick and non functional. Even my ND agreed! Ann Re: Gallbladder : Thanks for the post, but I missed something - - WHAT was the gallbladder cleanse? Best Wishes, karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 You can break them up with magnesium. love Re: Gallbladder Hi, Although I have heard many good stories about gallbladder cleanses, it makes me very nervous even to think about it. Often people have gravel like stones that are too large to be easily passed. Then the person takes something to soften or partially dissolve the stone(s) making them small enough to leave the gallbladder but large enough to get caught in the common bile duct or even move into the pancreatic duct. DH had a stone in the common b duct - excruciating pain and a very serious condition.... Be careful! Do you know what you have in terms of size and number? I had my GB removed laparscopically - 1 very large stone causing a lot of trouble. Surgery was a piece of cake - out of hospital in 4 hours, practically no pain meds and off to a musical my daughter was in the next night. Sure it would have been better to keep my GB but it was really sick and non functional. Even my ND agreed! Ann Re: Gallbladder : Thanks for the post, but I missed something - - WHAT was the gallbladder cleanse? Best Wishes, karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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