Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

October 15, 2008

Some people are sensitive and it may burn to have the garlic juices

directly in contact with the sensitive skin. christina

>

October 15, 2008

yes....if you score it just a little, it should be fine. and then a

little more as time goes by. If it bothers you, you'd stop. This is

a good way to for the garlic to be more affective.

We should take thiss OT...no?

On Oct 15, 2008, at 10:25 AM, wrote:

> Some people are sensitive and it may burn to have the garlic juices

> directly in contact with the sensitive skin. christina

>

> >

>

October 15, 2008

Sue has asked twice now (under a seperate thread) that this be taken

to the OT4VAX list...

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Le <kdhrtd@...> wrote:

>

> We should take thiss OT...no?

October 15, 2008

Thanks for that ,

I'm sure there are plenty of people here, who like me, only read the thread

they're currently involved in.

Nice to know there's been a request to move it.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Roberg <trinnea@...> wrote:

> Sue has asked twice now (under a seperate thread) that this be taken

> to the OT4VAX list...

>

October 15, 2008

Thank you, - it's nice to know *someone* reads what I post!! LOL!!

Sue x

-- Re: Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

Sue has asked twice now (under a seperate thread) that this be taken

to the OT4VAX list...

November 13, 2008

Hello everyone!

I am about a month behind on my emails and came across this thread, so Mike if

your wife has already delivered I hope all went well for you and if not then

maybe you can take my experience and do some extra research besides what is

being said here on this group.

Honestly, I have not read everyone's responses because I couldn't bring myself

to it and I am sure I am going to get blasted for writing this but I think it

needs to be said.

First, I want to introduce myself, I joined this group awhile ago because a

co-worker had a 3 year old granddaughter contract cancer from the Polio Vaccine

and advised me to research vaccinations, which my child is not vaccinated and

she is 16 months old.

Now on to this topic - I have to disagree with ALL of you that are advising

people to not get antibiotics when the are GBS+ you are literally and possibly

have caused deaths with this advice. The reason I know this is because I have

lost not one but TWO children due to GBS and by not having antibiotics. I

totally agree with the majority out there that we are giving way too many

antibiotics for situations that do not need them etc., but this is NOT one of

those cases. And for those of you that are advising people not to give

antibiotics for being GBS+ because your child will be affected by this in the

future is NOT true, my 16 month old has not once been affected by my antibiotic

usage.

Here is my story in 1998 I had a son and he DIED when he was 2 weeks old, back

then the CDC did not require the GBS test of pregnant woman so I was never

tested and never given antibiotics, and because he did not show signs of being

affected with GBS he was not given antibiotics and as a result he DIED when he

was 2 weeks old. Next, in 2000 I was pregnant with my daughter and when I was 6

months along I noticed she was not moving and was confirmed with an ultrasound

that she had DIED as well. An autopsy was done and it was ruled her DEATH was

due to GBS - YES GBS CAN INFECT CHILDREN IN THE UTERO - MANY DOCTORS WILL NOT

AGREE TO THIS BUT I HAVE AN AUTOPSY TO PROVE IT. So how did this happen well

with all of the internal/vaginal checks doctors insist on ended up pushing the

bacteria into the utero and infecting my daughter and ended up KILLING her.

Could all of this have been prevented? ABSOLUTELY - How by first knowing you are

positive with GBS

and second INSISTING ON ANTIBIOTICS.

Mike and all others out there if you want to get concrete evidence, proof or

whatever then I suggest you join a GBS group because all the of the statistics

grossly underestimate those that are affected with GBS and all of the DEATHS

that due occur because doctors 1) do not test women for GBS or 2) they are not

given the proper amounts of antibiotics.

So, when I became pregnant again I had a hard time in even getting a doctor to

understand what had happened or to do what I had wanted. I took YEARS to get

pregnant again until I knew exactly how to protect my unborn child.. I found a

high risk clinic who created a plan with me in that I was giving 1 antibiotic

daily from the moment I was 12 weeks along till birth then second I had to make

the hardest decision ever and that was to be induced or not, I am 100% against

inductions unless they are absolutely necessary - and because of my history of

fast labor and the fact I knew I would not get ENOUGH antibiotics in me if I

wasn't I was induced at 38 1/2 weeks, I was given 6 rounds YES 6 rounds of

antibiotics to make absolutely sure I and my unborn child was 100% protected - I

gave birth to an absolutely healthy baby girl who I INSISTED on being tested for

GBS after birth to make sure she was not infected and all of this was possible

because of

ANTIBIOTICS. Had I not had then I would absolutely had buried my 3rd child.

Mike - you and your wife actually have a very good and proactive doctor who is

doing nothing but trying to protect your unborn child to a horrible death and

you are lucky to have him/her I was not so lucky in my first two cases.

So for all of you advising people to NOT get Antibiotics when they are GBS+ you

are potentially killing babies I know THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES that have been

infected by this horrible bacteria and to have a group out here advising people

not to get protected when we have for YEARS been passing the message along to

INSIST on getting antibiotics SCARES the crap out of me. I literally found

myself in the bathroom getting sick after reading some of these responses and

truly hope the majority of you take MY advice and if you want to give ADVICE to

someone in regards to GBS then you join a GBS group and get ALL the information

before telling those to NOT get antibiotics - GBS IS ONE OF THE TOP CAUSES OF

INFANT DEATHS AND IT CAN 100% BE PREVENTED WITH THE USE OF ANTIBIOTICS.

I am sorry if I have offended anyone out there but this is one case where it

truly hits home and I would hate for any of you out there that gave advice to

someone about GBS and told them not to get the antibiotics - I just pray to GOD

that you have not caused a child to become sick or worse killed them. PLEASE

PLEASE PLEASE FOR ANYONE OUT THERE THAT IS GBS+ PLEASE DO MORE RESEARCH THEN

WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ON THIS GROUP AND WHAT THE CDC REPORTS!!! YOUR UNBORN

CHILD DESERVES THE BEST FIGHTING CHANCE AGAINST GBS. - JOIN A GBS GROUP TALK TO

THOSE THAT HAVE GONE THRU THIS AND LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT GBS AND WHAT TO INSIST

ON WHEN YOU ARE GBS+.

TAMI

November 14, 2008

Tami,

I am so sorry to hear about the losses you have suffered. I can't

imagine how painful that must have been. Congrats on the birth of

your healthy little one! What wonderful news to blessed after having

so much taken away.

In my humble opinion, we all really need to take what is said on here

for what it's worth. We are all just parents, not experts. While

many of us have done TONS of research on different health issues, I

feel it's important to take info from both sides and make your

decisions based on facts. I must say however, I am a big believer in

trusting your instincts. I tested GBS positive with my second

pregnancy and did have the antibiotics. My son had infant acid

reflux for the first several months of his life ( I just posted on

the OT4VAX group about it) and who knows if it was caused by the

antibiotics. I guess you have to weigh the risks.

Hopefully everyone remembers that the info that is shared here should

be weighed carefully, just as any info you would recieve from the

medical field should be as well.

Thank you for sharing your story. There are always two sides and I

think it's good to be reminded of that once in a while.

Go give your baby a kiss! --

November 14, 2008

Tami,

I am so sorry that happened to you and your family.

It is the worst thing I can think of to have happened to anyone. I am

very happy that you have a healthy child and were able to figure out

what was happening.

What would you say to someone who dealt with this issue

naturally. ,Maybe they could take something (natural antibacterial)by

mouth and vaginally. Then they could keep a watchful eye on their

condition. One of the other things I have heard is NOT to let the

doctor do an internal exam to prevent spreading. The newborn should

also be tested immediately after birth.

Do you see any alternatives for someone that has a problem with

antibiotics?

Best wishes

correy

On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Tami Kern wrote:

> Hello everyone!

>

> I am about a month behind on my emails and came across this thread,

> so Mike if your wife has already delivered I hope all went well for

> you and if not then maybe you can take my experience and do some

> extra research besides what is being said here on this group.

>

> Honestly, I have not read everyone's responses because I couldn't

> bring myself to it and I am sure I am going to get blasted for

> writing this but I think it needs to be said.

>

> First, I want to introduce myself, I joined this group awhile ago

> because a co-worker had a 3 year old granddaughter contract cancer

> from the Polio Vaccine and advised me to research vaccinations,

> which my child is not vaccinated and she is 16 months old.

>

> Now on to this topic - I have to disagree with ALL of you that are

> advising people to not get antibiotics when the are GBS+ you are

> literally and possibly have caused deaths with this advice. The

> reason I know this is because I have lost not one but TWO children

> due to GBS and by not having antibiotics. I totally agree with the

> majority out there that we are giving way too many antibiotics for

> situations that do not need them etc., but this is NOT one of those

> cases. And for those of you that are advising people not to give

> antibiotics for being GBS+ because your child will be affected by

> this in the future is NOT true, my 16 month old has not once been

> affected by my antibiotic usage.

>

> Here is my story in 1998 I had a son and he DIED when he was 2

> weeks old, back then the CDC did not require the GBS test of

> pregnant woman so I was never tested and never given antibiotics,

> and because he did not show signs of being affected with GBS he was

> not given antibiotics and as a result he DIED when he was 2 weeks

> old. Next, in 2000 I was pregnant with my daughter and when I was

> 6 months along I noticed she was not moving and was confirmed with

> an ultrasound that she had DIED as well. An autopsy was done and

> it was ruled her DEATH was due to GBS - YES GBS CAN INFECT CHILDREN

> IN THE UTERO - MANY DOCTORS WILL NOT AGREE TO THIS BUT I HAVE AN

> AUTOPSY TO PROVE IT. So how did this happen well with all of the

> internal/vaginal checks doctors insist on ended up pushing the

> bacteria into the utero and infecting my daughter and ended up

> KILLING her. Could all of this have been prevented? ABSOLUTELY -

> How by first knowing you are positive with GBS

> and second INSISTING ON ANTIBIOTICS.

>

> Mike and all others out there if you want to get concrete evidence,

> proof or whatever then I suggest you join a GBS group because all

> the of the statistics grossly underestimate those that are affected

> with GBS and all of the DEATHS that due occur because doctors 1) do

> not test women for GBS or 2) they are not given the proper amounts

> of antibiotics.

>

> So, when I became pregnant again I had a hard time in even getting

> a doctor to understand what had happened or to do what I had

> wanted. I took YEARS to get pregnant again until I knew exactly

> how to protect my unborn child.. I found a high risk clinic who

> created a plan with me in that I was giving 1 antibiotic daily from

> the moment I was 12 weeks along till birth then second I had to

> make the hardest decision ever and that was to be induced or not, I

> am 100% against inductions unless they are absolutely necessary -

> and because of my history of fast labor and the fact I knew I would

> not get ENOUGH antibiotics in me if I wasn't I was induced at 38

> 1/2 weeks, I was given 6 rounds YES 6 rounds of antibiotics to make

> absolutely sure I and my unborn child was 100% protected - I gave

> birth to an absolutely healthy baby girl who I INSISTED on being

> tested for GBS after birth to make sure she was not infected and

> all of this was possible because of

> ANTIBIOTICS. Had I not had then I would absolutely had buried my

> 3rd child.

>

> Mike - you and your wife actually have a very good and proactive

> doctor who is doing nothing but trying to protect your unborn child

> to a horrible death and you are lucky to have him/her I was not so

> lucky in my first two cases.

>

> So for all of you advising people to NOT get Antibiotics when they

> are GBS+ you are potentially killing babies I know THOUSANDS OF

> FAMILIES that have been infected by this horrible bacteria and to

> have a group out here advising people not to get protected when we

> have for YEARS been passing the message along to INSIST on getting

> antibiotics SCARES the crap out of me. I literally found myself in

> the bathroom getting sick after reading some of these responses and

> truly hope the majority of you take MY advice and if you want to

> give ADVICE to someone in regards to GBS then you join a GBS group

> and get ALL the information before telling those to NOT get

> antibiotics - GBS IS ONE OF THE TOP CAUSES OF INFANT DEATHS AND IT

> CAN 100% BE PREVENTED WITH THE USE OF ANTIBIOTICS.

>

> I am sorry if I have offended anyone out there but this is one case

> where it truly hits home and I would hate for any of you out there

> that gave advice to someone about GBS and told them not to get the

> antibiotics - I just pray to GOD that you have not caused a child

> to become sick or worse killed them. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR

> ANYONE OUT THERE THAT IS GBS+ PLEASE DO MORE RESEARCH THEN WHAT HAS

> BEEN DISCUSSED ON THIS GROUP AND WHAT THE CDC REPORTS!!! YOUR

> UNBORN CHILD DESERVES THE BEST FIGHTING CHANCE AGAINST GBS. - JOIN

> A GBS GROUP TALK TO THOSE THAT HAVE GONE THRU THIS AND LEARN THE

> TRUTH ABOUT GBS AND WHAT TO INSIST ON WHEN YOU ARE GBS+.

>

> TAMI

>

November 14, 2008

Correy,

Honestly, in this situation I would not recommend anything naturally mainly

because I wouldn't even risk the outcome of not knowing if it would work when

the antibiotics given while in labor thru IV have been proven to work over and

over again, I just wouldn't chance it mainly because I have buried two children

and CAN'T go thru that again. I guess I look at it this way this disease has

been one of the top causes of infant deaths and many other horrific diseases and

many of those diseases leading to death or a great disability. I just believe

100% in THIS situation that if you want to protect your child from this bacteria

and you ahave thankfully been told you are positive with GBS then that is your

sign to protect your child from DEATH.

The problem with " keeping a watchful eye " is that not all babies who have been

contracted with GBS show signs, if you read up on GBS infants SHOULD have

specific signs fever, a grunting noise etc, but this is not always the case. My

two week old son literally died in his sleep - much like a SIDS death - he had

absolutely NO signs of it at all. At his 1 week check up he was gaining weight

and was absolutely healthy or so we thought. The other problem with GBS is that

babies can die even as late as 6 months old meaning a " late onset " of the

disease so how can you keep a watchful eye when there may be no signs of it and

good luck trying to get a doctor to take multiple tests for it, it will NEVER

happen. That is why I am so for antibiotics in THIS situation because it can

creep up on you without you knowing and it will be too late.

You are 100% correct in that a person being GBS+ should NEVER have vaginal

checks and this has been the hardest thing to get doctors to NOT do. I refused

vaginal checks and I swear they thought I was an idiot but hey I have a healthy

16 month old now so again it was worth it. I just feel even if you are not GBS+

and again the problem with GBS+ women is that you can be positive one time and

negative the other so they say once you test positive for GBS you are always

positive, I just would refuse vaginal checks period because they normally test

women between 36 to 38 weeks but if you have been having vaginal checks your

baby may already be infected before you have even been tested for it. Such as

my case when I lost my daughter. The other problem is that 99% of your regular

OB/GYNs do not believe a child can be infected in the Utero, even my High Risk

doctor did not believe me at first until he read my daughter's autopsy (it is

like they have

to have an experience with it at first before they will believe because when

you read all the statistics on GBS it never mentions a baby being infected in

the Utero ). The first time I allowed a vaginal check was when I was in the

hospital and had already had 3 rounds of antibiotics and THEN I allowed them to

check me.

The other thing I would advise is to NOT have an epidural - Why? Because

typically women having one slows their labor process which is not good for being

GBS+. You want to have the fastest labor as possible to get the baby out as

quick as you can because the longer they are in the birth canal the higher risk

of being infected with GBS and I would not allow the doctor to break your waters

until you have been given enough rounds of antibiotics (in my case after 4

rounds) because again once that has been broken the baby has a higher risk of

being infected when not properly being protected beforehand. This is why I had

such a hard time deciding on an induction because I do not believe in them but I

couldn't risk my water breaking on its own and I have not had enough antibiotics

to protect my baby and knowing my labors are fast I would not have had enough

rounds to clear the bacteria before delivering - my last labor was 7 hours from

start to finish

which would mean only 1 round of antibiotics since they are given every 4

hours.

I just ask all those that are dealing with GBS to seriously read up on the

disease, join a GBS support group and learn from those that have been infected

by it because the medical community does NOT pass on enough information about

how to protect your child properly in this situation and some doctors still

today do not even test pregnant women for GBS and unfortunately if you " wait " to

see what happens in most cases it is too late.

Again, this is all I have learned, researched, talked with doctors and other

families who have dealt with this situation. These are the steps I feel would

protect your child in every aspect you can. I could tell you story after story

of thousands of families being infected and some of the worst are the women who

have home births because they want the very best for their babies but chose not

to get antibiotics or did not know they were GBS+ and when their babies do show

signs of being infected by the time they got to the hospital it was too late and

they lost their babies, or women who have vaginal checks in their 3rd trimester

because their doctor wants to see where they are and the next day not feeling

their baby move any more and go in for an ultrasound and their baby has passed.

The bacteria is a killer and a very FAST one.

I believe Mike has a very good doctor in this situation - which many do not - it

sounds like the doctor HAS had an experience with GBS because for him to say

that if his wife did not get the antibiotics they would give them to the baby -

to me that is Wonderful news because that doctor knows what CAN happen with this

disease. But in my opinion I would much rather be given the antibiotics then to

have my child given them directly all because I refused to. This is one

disease you do NOT want to mess with or chance that it will all be ok and if not

then get the antibiotics because many times it is too late.

Again this is just want I have learned after 6 long years of research in trying

to protect my next child as much as I could.

Tami

>

November 14, 2008

I am sorry about your loss. I too have lost a child. My daughter died because of

the drugs they gave her.

In reading your story I take exception to your saying folks like me actually

cause babies to die. You are assuming we are ignorant of the functions of

drugs. All drugs are poisons and have DIRECT effects. No drug can heal the human

body. Your statements which you have every right to believe are not proof. There

is no proof that your co-workers child developed cancer from the polio vaccine.

There is no proof that your third child lived because you took drugs.

But there is proof that drugs(which are mistakenly called medications) cause

every type of disease including death.

Its the PDR written by the people who make the drugs. I think that I can safely

say that your 6 years of study came from the same source, the Allopathic medical

profession. I gave them up after 3 years of their treatment for my daughter. Why

because there treatments, poisoning and cutting out your vital organs don't make

a lot of sense.

I do not know the circumstances of your child's infection, but i do know there

was a cause. If you wish to believe the theory that germs all of a sudden

decided to target your children that is your right, but I don't buy it and don't

want to be branded as a baby killer of your,in my opinion, erroneous beliefs. I

know you went through hell for a few years. The hell I went through lasted 30

years, however I will shout from the rooftops that drugs are poison and can not

heal, but I would never accuse anyone of killing children by poisoning their

body with anti (against)biotics(life).

Jim

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From: Tami Kern <tamikern@...>

Vaccinations

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