Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

[Guest guest]

Her statements raise a red flag to me... it sounds as though she's

prepping you (although subtely) for a C-section. Just keep your eyes

and ears open.... Yikes, I'd be firing this doc in a half of a heart

beat!

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:42 PM, mike yadon <mikeyadon@...> wrote:

> Ok, just got back from the appt.

>

<snip>

>

>

> She also stated that the antibodies for group b strep are not passed

> through the placenta to the child because they are too big. I haven't

> researched that, but she also said some other things that made me

> think she needs to brush up on the physiology of the immune system.

> (ie. she was talking out of her ass)

[Guest guest]

This is from the midwifery text Heart and Hands by .

" Cultures for GBS are standard at thirty-five weeks. If positive, IV antibiotics

are advised during labor if it is preterm, if membranes are ruptures for more

than eighteen hours, or if the mother develops a fever. And here is where the

controversy comes in. One study, which looked at the rates of blood infections

in newborns over a six-year period, ofund that antibiotic treatment in labor

reduced the incidence of GBS in newborns but increased the rate of other blood

infections. E. Coli in particular is on the rise. Some strains of GBS are

resistant to all available antibiotics-a study of forty-three newborns with

various blood infections including GBS found that 88 to 91% were resistant to

the antibiotics their mothers received in labor. Women unwilling to have

antibiotic treatment may therefore wish to waive prenatal screening altogether. "

So much of obstetrics is not evidence based, and this is certainly no exception.

Bronwyn

Wife to Kurt since 5/02

Mom to:

Dorian (7/04)

Faith (2/06)

Quinn (4/08)

and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with all the other people who have told you to RUUUUNNNNNN as

fast and as far as you can. Your story sounds so familiar to me. I was in your

place once. But i was kicked out of the practice for refusing to comply with

their wishes. I was so lucky to have a homebirth with my last baby, best thing

i ever did. I will NEVER go back to a OB/hospital again to birth my babies. I

hate to say it, but by staying with this lady you are setting yourself up for

disaster. I can already tell just from the few words you have written about

her, she isn't going to hesitate to use the " dead baby card " on you. I fear for

your wife, that she will not be able to avoid that first cut with this lady.

And then you will be fighting for a VBAC if you have more children. PLEASE

PLEASE PLEASE listen to your heart. It's telling you this lady isn't right, she

doesn't have the best interest of you or your wife or beautiful new baby at

heart.

Alyssa

In a message dated 10/13/08 18:59:26 Mountain Daylight Time, mikeyadon@...

writes:

My wife tested positive. The doctor is being a bully is not open to

re-testing. She is also demanding IV antibiotics for my wife or has

stated that our daughter when born will be taken to the nursery and

given antibiotics for 3 days. For those 3 days we are told we will

not be able to interact with our daughter.

I've done alot of research but unfortunately I'm not finding that

good piece of info that i'm looking for that will ease mine and my

wife's mind.

I know that the chances of our daughter contracting group b strep is

very small. Less than 1% according to the materials I've read.

I also have read some enlightening materials which state that the

mother passes along the antibodies while in womb and via breast milk

after born.

So, can anyone answer me why it is that our doctor and the medical

system as a whole feels inadequate unless they can pump some sort of

chemical into my wife or daughter?

Why oh why do i need to fight tooth and nail to keep the CDC's ugly

disgusting hands off of my child.

Anyone?

Ps. I've done the searches on this forum and many others. But for

some reason I cannot find out if the antibiotics are mandated by law

or not.

[Guest guest]

I agree with everything everyone has posted...that being said, let me share

my experience...

I tested + w/dd2 but was never told so by the OB. When I switched at 32

weeks to a homebirth midwife (for other reasons... it being a VBAC birth) and

had my records transferred, I was informed that I was indeed gbs+. My midwife

was NOT concerned in the least but she did have me do a natural protocol just

in case (I will include at end of post)...turns out I was fine during labor

AND so was dd. (she is my PDD-NOS child but due to vax at 3 mos NOT gbs)

When pg w/ds about 3 years later, I opted NOT to be tested, BUT did the

protocol anyway. I had a different midwife this time and I shared with her the

protocol and she now uses it as part of her practice. I believe it is VERY

effective in aiding the body to regulate the GBS colony.

I am now pg w/#4 and I am again doing the protocol and my midwife (yet a

different one) has a similar protocol with additional things to do as well.

You need to fight for the right of your wife and child and DEMAND that this

doc follow your request. If not, fire her and hire another. Good luck and

hope this helps!

a

Here is the protocol:

The neonate contracting GBS from the mother is rare but scary! If a patient

is positive, there should be NO internal exams during the pregnancy, NO AROM

(without good reason such as imminent delivery), and especially NO IUPC or IFM.

Logic dictates that if GBS is at the introitus then we shouldn't be pushing

it up to the cervix.

Please know that this protocol is not designed to trick the test. It is

designed to reduce the population of GBS in the mother’s body – it is

preventive

supplementation to avoid GBS and also works as a treatment for GBS.

Protocol for women who want to avoid colonization with GBS before the screen

or who want to treat GBS if they do test positive:

Take twice a day (breakfast and dinner)

Acidophilus 4 billion cells per dose

Echinacea 350 mg capsules x2 caps

Garlic 580 mg capsules x2 caps

Vit. C 500 mg w/200mg bioflavenoids

Grapefruit seed extract 15 drops or one capsule

Zinc & Vit B-6 can also be added w/beneficial results

(You can also add propolis tincture, 1/2 tsp 3xdaily; goldenseal tincture

(not before 37 weeks gestation) 1/2 tsp, 3xdaily

tea tree oil wash; 1/2 tsp echinacea root and 1/2 oz burdock root in 1 qt

boiling water, steeped for 2 hrs...take 1 cup daily.

Sitz baths...make an infusion of thyme, calendula, rosemary, yarrow, 1/2 c.

sea salt and 10 drops lavender essential oil. Soak daily.

Also may fill peri-bottle and rinse after each urination/bowel movement.)

After 37 weeks gestation...

One goldenseal capsule inserted into the upper vagina at bedtime (not to be

done if membranes have ruptured)

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[Guest guest]

I just have one thing to say about her response to you...

WE ARE ALL GBS CARRIERS!! EVERYONE OF US! (don't mean to shout, but as a

doc, she is sorely lacking in knowledge of GBS) It is a matter of whether or

not the gbs has colonized to a point where it could potentially become a

problem. Just because someone tests - for gbs, does NOT mean that they don't

have gbs somewhere in their system. So for her to say that even a small # of

gbs cells could create a problem is JUST NOT TRUE...if that were the case, then

many, many more babies would become infected w/gbs and we'd have much more

of a problem. In Europe and the UK (maybe someone here can back me up) they

do NOT even routinely screen for gbs...mom has to request the test. They also

do not treat, unless mom has requested the test AND comes back + AND

requests abx. (this is what I've been told anyway)

ARGH...I'd keep pushing the issue because it does sound like she's backing

down on her aggressive nature now knowing that this is something you are

willing to fight for...she knows that you're not going to be the " good little

patients " who comply with everything she says. It's funny how the threats come

out at the beginning...all the scare tactics are used up and then she has

NOTHING left when it is all said and done. Keep fighting...but I also agree

with

whomever said that you should switch to someone who actually respects your

wife and her wishes.

Take care,

a

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[Guest guest]

If this helps...my LMP was Jan 22...I ovulated on Feb 4 (I was charting so I

KNOW)...and my EDD is 10/30.

If your wife ovulated on Feb 22 then her EDD should be around Nov 18, def

NOT anytime in Oct. Tell her she needs to reevaluate her calculations and that

you WILL go by Nov 18 as her EDD.

HTH,

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[Guest guest]

Quick note...

What if the first test was incorrect. If she comes back negative for

a second test can she do a third (is there time) If that is negative

too the first test could be wrong. Also, how accurate are these

dang tests? What if the first test came back negative and it wasn't

really negative. They should test a few times because their tests stink.

I hope you can get a second opinion. I am hear in Charlotte, NC and

no one would take me after a certain amount of months (can't

remember). That does not mean it is true for your state,

What she said about the antibodies doesn't make sense to me.

Hope this site helps...

http://www.preciouspassage.com/treating_group_b_strep.htm

correy

On Oct 14, 2008, at 2:42 PM, mike yadon wrote:

> Ok, just got back from the appt.

>

> I don't have alot of time to elaborate, but nothing was resolved.

>

> Doc insists that it is absolutely medically necessary. Said she would

> compromise and only do 2 doses during early active labor. Said she

> would allow retest but it wouldn't resolve anything because once you

> are a carrier, you are a carrier and even if the level doesn't meet

> the test threshold during the retest, my wife will still be a carrier

> and it only takes a few bacterium to cause possible: sepsis and

> meningitis to our child.

>

> She is also still saying we will need to induce if my wife does not

> go into labor prior to 42 weeks. But again her calculations are wrong

> and her 42 weeks is what we believe is actually 40 weeks. Her

> argument on that is that the risks of going to long are greater than

> the risks of induction. Something about the placenta. I wasn't

> listening because there will be no forced induction no matter what

> she says.

>

> She did back off of the " we will put your baby in the nicu and give

> her antibiotics for 3 days " thing and stated that if we decline

> antibiotics to my wife they will draw blood from the baby and monitor

> her closely for the first 48 hours after birth.

>

> She also stated that the antibodies for group b strep are not passed

> through the placenta to the child because they are too big. I haven't

> researched that, but she also said some other things that made me

> think she needs to brush up on the physiology of the immune system.

> (ie. she was talking out of her ass)

>

> So, again nothing was resolved. I'm going to need to talk with my

> wife tonight after work and see if we can come to some sort of

> enlightenment on this issue. I'm now more confused than ever.

>

> Oh, one last thing, she did say that ampicillin would be used and not

> penicillin and that ampicillin has a shorter half life so it would

> not affect savanna or sara negatively. As in no long term affects to

> breast milk or balance of flora in both or either of them.

>

> What do you all think? Would love some more input and thanks for all

> the responses.

>

>

> >

> > Hi Mike,

> >

> > Please give us an update on today's appointment.

> >

> > I wanted to assure you switching care providers this late in the

> game

> > IS possible. In 2005 when I was pregnant with my first son, I fired

> > my OB when I was 32 weeks along and hired a homebirth midwife. I,

> > too, had prepaid my OB, but they refunded my money right away -

> > keeping $500 for the care I had received up to week 32, which I

> > thought was fair. In addition, my new midwife didn't charge me her

> > whole fee, because I was so far along, and she let me pay her in

> > payments. I have to say that even if I had not been given a

> prorated

> > fee from my midwife, it would have been WELL WORTH IT to pay her the

> > entire fee. My husband and I were in control of our environment, I

> > was allowed to move around freely, be in the birth tub, out of the

> > birth tub, whatever I needed to make myself more comfortable. I

> could

> > eat, or not, it was up to me, was offered fluids regularly, etc. Of

> > course, actual labor was only 2.5 hours, but I doubt it would have

> > been that easy or quick had I been in the hospital with nurses and

> > doctors influencing me with their expectations of how my birth

> should

> > go.

> >

> > Regarding GBS, has your wife done the garlic therapy? Not taken

> > internally but whole cloves, inserted vaginally? If you need more

> > info for this, let me know.

> >

> > Anyway, I know you'll make the decisions that is right for your

> > family. DON'T let anyone else make those decisions for you!

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a little scary, for

me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not given abcs, but I was. I haven't

been tested with this one yet, but I'm sure I will be. Can someone explain the

garlic thing to me in a bit more detail? Thanks

~~

> >

> >>

> >

> > We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask

> for a refund. We

> > have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it

> and will flat out

> > state that no antibiotics will be given and that we

> don't wish to

> > discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of

> response that gets and

> > will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here's some links for you (and Mike)

http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/page.cfm?gbs

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbs.html

Alyssa

In a message dated 10/14/08 16:06:31 Mountain Daylight Time,

kimanalynn@... writes:

This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a little scary, for

me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not given abcs, but I was. I haven't

been tested with this one yet, but I'm sure I will be. Can someone explain the

garlic thing to me in a bit more detail? Thanks

~~

> >

> >>

> >

> > We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask

> for a refund. We

> > have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it

> and will flat out

> > state that no antibiotics will be given and that we

> don't wish to

> > discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of

> response that gets and

> > will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes...maybe she could ask the doctor about the vaginal swab before

delivery.

On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:08 PM, squishymommyof2 wrote:

> Here's some links for you (and Mike)

>

> http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/page.cfm?gbs

>

> http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbs.html

>

> Alyssa

>

> In a message dated 10/14/08 16:06:31 Mountain Daylight

> Time,kimanalynn@... writes:

> This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a

> little scary, for me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not

> given abcs, but I was. I haven't been tested with this one yet, but

> I'm sure I will be. Can someone explain the garlic thing to me in a

> bit more detail? Thanks

>

> ~~

>

>

> > >

> > >>

> > >

> > > We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask

> > for a refund. We

> > > have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it

> > and will flat out

> > > state that no antibiotics will be given and that we

> > don't wish to

> > > discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of

> > response that gets and

> > > will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Peel a garlic clove, but leave it whole. Wrap it in some cheese cloth

and secure it with a string, then insert it like a tampon. Leave

overnight (I called a friend to ask how long, she stated the longer

the better, but change daily). Do this every day for a couple of

weeks. This works well for GBS and Yeast overgrowth (candidia).

Regarding being tested for GBS, it is fully in your rights to decline

this test. I didn't get tested with either of my pregnancies.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:05 PM, <kimanalynn@...> wrote:

> This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a little scary,

> for me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not given abcs, but I was. I

> haven't been tested with this one yet, but I'm sure I will be. Can someone

> explain the garlic thing to me in a bit more detail? Thanks

>

> ~~

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

Here you go ...hope this helps you.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=323091

On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:05 PM, wrote:

> This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a

> little scary, for me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not

> given abcs, but I was. I haven't been tested with this one yet, but

> I'm sure I will be. Can someone explain the garlic thing to me in a

> bit more detail? Thanks

>

> ~~

>

>

> > >

> > >>

> > >

> > > We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask

> > for a refund. We

> > > have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it

> > and will flat out

> > > state that no antibiotics will be given and that we

> > don't wish to

> > > discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of

> > response that gets and

> > > will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

PS be really careful with some of the advice on this site. ...esp.

if you are pregnant.

On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:05 PM, wrote:

> This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a

> little scary, for me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not

> given abcs, but I was. I haven't been tested with this one yet, but

> I'm sure I will be. Can someone explain the garlic thing to me in a

> bit more detail? Thanks

>

> ~~

>

>

> > >

> > >>

> > >

> > > We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask

> > for a refund. We

> > > have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it

> > and will flat out

> > > state that no antibiotics will be given and that we

> > don't wish to

> > > discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of

> > response that gets and

> > > will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I heard that when you do that you first score the garlic clove a few

times then increase the cuts as the days go by.

On Oct 14, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Roberg wrote:

> Peel a garlic clove, but leave it whole. Wrap it in some cheese cloth

> and secure it with a string, then insert it like a tampon. Leave

> overnight (I called a friend to ask how long, she stated the longer

> the better, but change daily). Do this every day for a couple of

> weeks. This works well for GBS and Yeast overgrowth (candidia).

>

> Regarding being tested for GBS, it is fully in your rights to decline

> this test. I didn't get tested with either of my pregnancies.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:05 PM, <kimanalynn@...> wrote:

> > This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a

> little scary,

> > for me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not given abcs, but

> I was. I

> > haven't been tested with this one yet, but I'm sure I will be.

> Can someone

> > explain the garlic thing to me in a bit more detail? Thanks

> >

> > ~~

>

>

[Guest guest]

At first, were you concerned about the herbs?

correy

On Oct 14, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Blessed2ice@... wrote:

> I agree with everything everyone has posted...that being said, let

> me share

> my experience...

>

> I tested + w/dd2 but was never told so by the OB. When I switched

> at 32

> weeks to a homebirth midwife (for other reasons... it being a VBAC

> birth) and

> had my records transferred, I was informed that I was indeed gbs+.

> My midwife

> was NOT concerned in the least but she did have me do a natural

> protocol just

> in case (I will include at end of post)...turns out I was fine

> during labor

> AND so was dd. (she is my PDD-NOS child but due to vax at 3 mos NOT

> gbs)

>

> When pg w/ds about 3 years later, I opted NOT to be tested, BUT did

> the

> protocol anyway. I had a different midwife this time and I shared

> with her the

> protocol and she now uses it as part of her practice. I believe it

> is VERY

> effective in aiding the body to regulate the GBS colony.

>

> I am now pg w/#4 and I am again doing the protocol and my midwife

> (yet a

> different one) has a similar protocol with additional things to do

> as well.

>

> You need to fight for the right of your wife and child and DEMAND

> that this

> doc follow your request. If not, fire her and hire another. Good

> luck and

> hope this helps!

>

> a

>

> Here is the protocol:

>

>

> The neonate contracting GBS from the mother is rare but scary! If a

> patient

> is positive, there should be NO internal exams during the

> pregnancy, NO AROM

> (without good reason such as imminent delivery), and especially NO

> IUPC or IFM.

> Logic dictates that if GBS is at the introitus then we shouldn't be

> pushing

> it up to the cervix.

> Please know that this protocol is not designed to trick the test.

> It is

> designed to reduce the population of GBS in the mother’s body – it

> is preventive

> supplementation to avoid GBS and also works as a treatment for GBS.

> Protocol for women who want to avoid colonization with GBS before

> the screen

> or who want to treat GBS if they do test positive:

> Take twice a day (breakfast and dinner)

> Acidophilus 4 billion cells per dose

> Echinacea 350 mg capsules x2 caps

> Garlic 580 mg capsules x2 caps

> Vit. C 500 mg w/200mg bioflavenoids

> Grapefruit seed extract 15 drops or one capsule

> Zinc & Vit B-6 can also be added w/beneficial results

> (You can also add propolis tincture, 1/2 tsp 3xdaily; goldenseal

> tincture

> (not before 37 weeks gestation) 1/2 tsp, 3xdaily

> tea tree oil wash; 1/2 tsp echinacea root and 1/2 oz burdock root

> in 1 qt

> boiling water, steeped for 2 hrs...take 1 cup daily.

> Sitz baths...make an infusion of thyme, calendula, rosemary,

> yarrow, 1/2 c.

> sea salt and 10 drops lavender essential oil. Soak daily.

> Also may fill peri-bottle and rinse after each urination/bowel

> movement.)

> After 37 weeks gestation...

> One goldenseal capsule inserted into the upper vagina at bedtime

> (not to be

> done if membranes have ruptured)

>

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> destination.

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I had 2 home births after testing GBS positive. The births were not traumatic or

rushed, therefore reducing the risk to the baby. I was also NOT checked for

dilation at all. My midwives trusted when I was ready, and that also reduced the

risk to the baby. Neither of our babies got the infection. Good luck to you and

your wife!

Liz in GA

> > >

> > >>

> > >

> > > We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask

> > for a refund. We

> > > have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it

> > and will flat out

> > > state that no antibiotics will be given and that we

> > don't wish to

> > > discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of

> > response that gets and

> > > will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

And just to clarify:

AROM=artificial rupture of membranes, usually standard in OB deliveries

IUPC=intrauterine pressure catheter, for monitoring contractions

IFM=internal fetal monitor, when the electrode is screwed into the baby's scalp.

Requires AROM.

Bronwyn

Wife to Kurt since 5/02

Mom to:

Dorian (7/04)

Faith (2/06)

Quinn (4/08)

and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

From: Blessed2ice@... <Blessed2ice@...>

Subject: Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:52 PM

Here is the protocol:

The neonate contracting GBS from the mother is rare but scary! If a patient

is positive, there should be NO internal exams during the pregnancy, NO AROM

(without good reason such as imminent delivery), and especially NO IUPC or IFM.

Logic dictates that if GBS is at the introitus then we shouldn't be pushing

it up to the cervix.

Please know that this protocol is not designed to trick the test. It is

designed to reduce the population of GBS in the mother’s body – it is

preventive

supplementation to avoid GBS and also works as a treatment for GBS.

Protocol for women who want to avoid colonization with GBS before the screen

or who want to treat GBS if they do test positive:

Take twice a day (breakfast and dinner)

Acidophilus 4 billion cells per dose

Echinacea 350 mg capsules x2 caps

Garlic 580 mg capsules x2 caps

Vit. C 500 mg w/200mg bioflavenoids

Grapefruit seed extract 15 drops or one capsule

Zinc & Vit B-6 can also be added w/beneficial results

(You can also add propolis tincture, 1/2 tsp 3xdaily; goldenseal tincture

(not before 37 weeks gestation) 1/2 tsp, 3xdaily

tea tree oil wash; 1/2 tsp echinacea root and 1/2 oz burdock root in 1 qt

boiling water, steeped for 2 hrs...take 1 cup daily.

Sitz baths...make an infusion of thyme, calendula, rosemary, yarrow, 1/2 c.

sea salt and 10 drops lavender essential oil. Soak daily.

Also may fill peri-bottle and rinse after each urination/bowel movement.)

After 37 weeks gestation...

One goldenseal capsule inserted into the upper vagina at bedtime (not to be

done if membranes have ruptured)

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the great article, Correy, I have a friend going through this and

it's timing was perfect. I was researching GBS tonight, and this came. Perfect

timing for this thread. The article was a good one, and next, I'm going to the

midwives archives to find more: www.gentlebirth.com

Cassie in Wa

http://canyonandriversday.blogspot.com

http://blessings4mama.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

" I heard that when you do that you first score the garlic clove a few

times then increase the cuts as the days go by. "

>>>Please, Do NOT cut the garlic clove before inserting....that's my humble

advice. I was a previous lay midwifes assistant, and a doula, I've learned

about this treatment, WHOLE garlic clove it the right way. It can also be

inserted without cheese cloth, but I like the cheese cloth idea!

On Oct 14, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Roberg wrote:

Peel a garlic clove, but leave it whole. Wrap it in some cheese cloth

and secure it with a string, then insert it like a tampon. Leave

overnight (I called a friend to ask how long, she stated the longer

the better, but change daily). Do this every day for a couple of

weeks. This works well for GBS and Yeast overgrowth (candidia).

Regarding being tested for GBS, it is fully in your rights to decline

this test. I didn't get tested with either of my pregnancies.

>>>>>This is exactly right, this will definately help! thanks !

Cassie in Wa.

http://canyonandriversday.blogspot.com

http://blessings4mama.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

> So much of obstetrics is not evidence based, and this is

> certainly no exception.

So, true. I remember my OB explaining that no matter what the triple screen (?)

blood test showed, it would come back that my baby was at high risk of Down

Syndrome due to my age (45). It finally clicked that screening tests don't give

info, they just offer guesses at to what the risk might be. I refuse all

screening tests for my family now for any reason. They mean nothing, except

money to those who give them.

Winnie

[Guest guest]

yes,,I agree. not to cut into pieces, just a tiny sliver to let some

garlic out,

On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:48 AM, Cassie Sala wrote:

>

> " I heard that when you do that you first score the garlic clove a few

> times then increase the cuts as the days go by. "

>

> >>>Please, Do NOT cut the garlic clove before inserting....that's

> my humble advice. I was a previous lay midwifes assistant, and a

> doula, I've learned about this treatment, WHOLE garlic clove it the

> right way. It can also be inserted without cheese cloth, but I like

> the cheese cloth idea!

>

> On Oct 14, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Roberg wrote:

>

> Peel a garlic clove, but leave it whole. Wrap it in some cheese cloth

> and secure it with a string, then insert it like a tampon. Leave

> overnight (I called a friend to ask how long, she stated the longer

> the better, but change daily). Do this every day for a couple of

> weeks. This works well for GBS and Yeast overgrowth (candidia).

>

> Regarding being tested for GBS, it is fully in your rights to decline

> this test. I didn't get tested with either of my pregnancies.

>

> >>>>>This is exactly right, this will definately help! thanks !

>

> Cassie in Wa.

> http://canyonandriversday.blogspot.com

> http://blessings4mama.blogspot.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

All antibiotics affect flora. If they didn't, they wouldn't be used as

antibiotics!

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM, mike yadon <mikeyadon@...> wrote:

>

> Oh, one last thing, she did say that ampicillin would be used and not

> penicillin and that ampicillin has a shorter half life so it would

> not affect savanna or sara negatively. As in no long term affects to

> breast milk or balance of flora in both or either of them.

>

> What do you all think? Would love some more input and thanks for all

> the responses.

[Guest guest]

I did a little research on Ampicillin and it does affect gut flora.

I agree.

On Oct 15, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Lana Gibbons wrote:

> All antibiotics affect flora. If they didn't, they wouldn't be used as

> antibiotics!

>

> -Lana

>

> " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

>

> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM, mike yadon <mikeyadon@...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Oh, one last thing, she did say that ampicillin would be used and

> not

> > penicillin and that ampicillin has a shorter half life so it would

> > not affect savanna or sara negatively. As in no long term affects to

> > breast milk or balance of flora in both or either of them.

> >

> > What do you all think? Would love some more input and thanks for all

> > the responses.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just adding my 2 cents here- you don't NEED the cheesecloth. It

cannot get " lost " or anything. You can always swab it out with a

finger, or let it work it's way out. BUt however you do it- the best

place to put it is right next to the cervix.

> > This entire thread has been extremely enlightening, and also a

little scary,

> > for me. I had GBS with my first 2; they were not given abcs, but

I was. I

> > haven't been tested with this one yet, but I'm sure I will be.

Can someone

> > explain the garlic thing to me in a bit more detail? Thanks

> >

> > ~~

>

[Guest guest]

Some people are sensitive and it may burn to have the garlic juices

directly in contact with the sensitive skin. christina

>