Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

October 13, 2008

My wife tested positive. The doctor is being a bully is not open to

re-testing. She is also demanding IV antibiotics for my wife or has

stated that our daughter when born will be taken to the nursery and

given antibiotics for 3 days. For those 3 days we are told we will

not be able to interact with our daughter.

I've done alot of research but unfortunately I'm not finding that

good piece of info that i'm looking for that will ease mine and my

wife's mind.

I know that the chances of our daughter contracting group b strep is

very small. Less than 1% according to the materials I've read.

I also have read some enlightening materials which state that the

mother passes along the antibodies while in womb and via breast milk

after born.

So, can anyone answer me why it is that our doctor and the medical

system as a whole feels inadequate unless they can pump some sort of

chemical into my wife or daughter?

Why oh why do i need to fight tooth and nail to keep the CDC's ugly

disgusting hands off of my child.

Anyone?

Ps. I've done the searches on this forum and many others. But for

some reason I cannot find out if the antibiotics are mandated by law

or not.

October 13, 2008

Is there ANY way you can have a home birth by a mid-wife?

In NY, if they give the mother the antibiotics, they give the baby the

antibiotics NO MATTER

WHAT anyway. Are you ASSURED in writing that if your wife takes the antibiotics

that the

infant will NOT be given antibiotics? I would attempt if at all possible to do

anything in my

power to AVOID antibiotics given to the INFANT. I would personally take them if

that totally

guaranteed the child wouldn't be given them. Unfortunately, in NY at least, they

give them to

the infant NO MATTER WHAT in hospital if the mother tests positive.

And I have NO IDEA why your doctor will not re-test b/c the pos/neg does vary

depending on

the wellness of the mother. I personally feel you should get another doctor.

October 13, 2008

as far as i understand, the abx aren't mandated by LAW, but i've

known parents that get CPS called on them for not allowing abx in the

hospital. some peds even order spinal taps on the babies before

starting them on abx (in situations where the birth was fast, etc- so

no time to load mom).

when i was pregnant w/ #2, i read a paper comparing a wash

(Hibiclens) to IV abx to mom. they only washed the outter

vulvar/anus region w/ this Hibiclens & many european midwives will

use this for homebirth GBS+ moms & some dr.s in hositals over there

will also compromise & use this instead of IV abx.

but the paper (i don't have it on hand) showed that it was actually

slightly better than the IV abx at GBS occurance in baby & it also

effectively treated ecoli which can infect the babies too (the IV abx

doesn't treat ecoli).

i know many homebirth MWs would be very open to not treating your

wife & baby unless risk factors made it prudent (ie, not in

labor,etc) & would likely recommend alternative methods of treatment

like fresh garlic cloves, etc. before labor.

might your wife consider trying to find a different doctor? or are

you guys open to a birth center w/ midwives, or even a homebirth

midwife?

~marcia~

>

> My wife tested positive. The doctor is being a bully is not open to

> re-testing. She is also demanding IV antibiotics for my wife or has

> stated that our daughter when born will be taken to the nursery and

> given antibiotics for 3 days. For those 3 days we are told we will

> not be able to interact with our daughter.

>

> I've done alot of research but unfortunately I'm not finding that

> good piece of info that i'm looking for that will ease mine and my

> wife's mind.

>

> I know that the chances of our daughter contracting group b strep

is

> very small. Less than 1% according to the materials I've read.

>

> I also have read some enlightening materials which state that the

> mother passes along the antibodies while in womb and via breast

milk

> after born.

>

> So, can anyone answer me why it is that our doctor and the medical

> system as a whole feels inadequate unless they can pump some sort

of

> chemical into my wife or daughter?

>

> Why oh why do i need to fight tooth and nail to keep the CDC's ugly

> disgusting hands off of my child.

>

> Anyone?

>

> Ps. I've done the searches on this forum and many others. But for

> some reason I cannot find out if the antibiotics are mandated by

law

> or not.

>

October 13, 2008

We paid the OB a flat fee of $2500 for all prenatal visits and the

delivery of our baby girl. (we don't have health insurance) So,

another doctor at this point would probably be a costly avenue to

follow. But i appreciate all the info. Thanks so much.

> >

> > My wife tested positive. The doctor is being a bully is not open

to

> > re-testing. She is also demanding IV antibiotics for my wife or

has

> > stated that our daughter when born will be taken to the nursery

and

> > given antibiotics for 3 days. For those 3 days we are told we

will

> > not be able to interact with our daughter.

> >

> > I've done alot of research but unfortunately I'm not finding that

> > good piece of info that i'm looking for that will ease mine and

my

> > wife's mind.

> >

> > I know that the chances of our daughter contracting group b strep

> is

> > very small. Less than 1% according to the materials I've read.

> >

> > I also have read some enlightening materials which state that the

> > mother passes along the antibodies while in womb and via breast

> milk

> > after born.

> >

> > So, can anyone answer me why it is that our doctor and the

medical

> > system as a whole feels inadequate unless they can pump some sort

> of

> > chemical into my wife or daughter?

> >

> > Why oh why do i need to fight tooth and nail to keep the CDC's

ugly

> > disgusting hands off of my child.

> >

> > Anyone?

> >

> > Ps. I've done the searches on this forum and many others. But for

> > some reason I cannot find out if the antibiotics are mandated by

> law

> > or not.

> >

>

October 13, 2008

Is there anyone else that can possibly retest her. Anybody. Her GP.

Has she been taking raw garlic or something else to help combat this?

On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:59 PM, mike yadon wrote:

> My wife tested positive. The doctor is being a bully is not open to

> re-testing. She is also demanding IV antibiotics for my wife or has

> stated that our daughter when born will be taken to the nursery and

> given antibiotics for 3 days. For those 3 days we are told we will

> not be able to interact with our daughter.

>

> I've done alot of research but unfortunately I'm not finding that

> good piece of info that i'm looking for that will ease mine and my

> wife's mind.

>

> I know that the chances of our daughter contracting group b strep is

> very small. Less than 1% according to the materials I've read.

>

> I also have read some enlightening materials which state that the

> mother passes along the antibodies while in womb and via breast milk

> after born.

>

> So, can anyone answer me why it is that our doctor and the medical

> system as a whole feels inadequate unless they can pump some sort of

> chemical into my wife or daughter?

>

> Why oh why do i need to fight tooth and nail to keep the CDC's ugly

> disgusting hands off of my child.

>

> Anyone?

>

> Ps. I've done the searches on this forum and many others. But for

> some reason I cannot find out if the antibiotics are mandated by law

> or not.

>

October 13, 2008

Midwives are much cheaper usually and I will scare you with the true facts. If

your child ends

up getting IV abx, you will be seeing LOTS of doctors for that child's early

childhood to

diagnose all sorts of problems they will totally deny are related to those first

few days of

antibiotics. However, we all know they are totally implicated. Sensory

Processing Disorder is

the hugest that comes to mind immediately. And don't think you won't be paying

hand over

fist when THAT shows up at your doorstep from those antibiotics shoved into your

newborn.

Do NOT do it. I understand you are hurting financially, but that doctor just

told you point

blank that you " would not be able to interact with your own CHILD " if you don't

do what she

is medically forcing on you! This is NOT Nazi Germany and she doesn't get to

decide your

medical decisions for you! I personally would demand my money back, call a

lawyer about

her threatening you, make a stink so loud and shrill that she kicked YOU out of

her practice!

She SUCKS as a doctor and I can say this totally guilt free. She has threatened

you ahead of

time. Take that information and MEDITATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT HER AS A

PERSON.

How dare anyone threaten to remove your *parental control* and threaten you with

removing

the possibility of bonding with your newborn!!! How dare she??? Don't you let

her get away

with that! Her job is to answer your questions so that YOU may make an informed

medical

decision about your OWN body and your own child's body.

October 13, 2008

I can attest to Arlynn's email.

I had GBS, and had to have IV Penicillan during labor, also I

stupidly allowed the Vitamin K shot.

Also, not knowing anything about vaccines at that point, I stupidly

allowed the nurse to give me a Dtap (or Dpt, whatever it's called)

shot, which I'm sure passed through my breastmilk.

My baby had severe jaundice and had to be in a bilibed at home for 4

days (I couldn't even cuddle him at home... I had to breastfeed him,

and put him back in the " light bed " right away.) It was aweful.

Being a first time mom, I was a wreck. He also got thrush which

resulted in a nursing strike.

Next time for me:

-No antibiotics during pregnancy or labor

-No GBS testing (I found out that you can deny the GBS testing, that

is your RIGHT. My chiro. who I just went to said that with her first

child, she tested positive for GBS, and had to be on antibiotics.

With her second, she just didn't let them test her in the first

place! Baby was totally fine.)

-No Vitamin K shot

-No Vaccines of course!

Is there any way you can get a loan or something and get a midwife?

I know you are out $2500 but the health of your child and being able

to spend the first 3 days with your child is more important than

$2500, right? Also, most midwives I heard will take payment plans!

Your doctor sounds just aweful. Aweful!!!

>

> Midwives are much cheaper usually and I will scare you with the

true facts. If your child ends

> up getting IV abx, you will be seeing LOTS of doctors for that

child's early childhood to

> diagnose all sorts of problems they will totally deny are related

to those first few days of

> antibiotics. However, we all know they are totally implicated.

Sensory Processing Disorder is

> the hugest that comes to mind immediately. And don't think you

won't be paying hand over

> fist when THAT shows up at your doorstep from those antibiotics

shoved into your newborn.

>

> Do NOT do it. I understand you are hurting financially, but that

doctor just told you point

> blank that you " would not be able to interact with your own CHILD "

if you don't do what she

> is medically forcing on you! This is NOT Nazi Germany and she

doesn't get to decide your

> medical decisions for you! I personally would demand my money back,

call a lawyer about

> her threatening you, make a stink so loud and shrill that she

kicked YOU out of her practice!

> She SUCKS as a doctor and I can say this totally guilt free. She

has threatened you ahead of

> time. Take that information and MEDITATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT

HER AS A PERSON.

> How dare anyone threaten to remove your *parental control* and

threaten you with removing

> the possibility of bonding with your newborn!!! How dare she???

Don't you let her get away

> with that! Her job is to answer your questions so that YOU may make

an informed medical

> decision about your OWN body and your own child's body.

>

October 13, 2008

I agree with what everyone else has written. My sister tested

positive, but went into labor so quickly that they didn't have time

to give her the antibiotics. Her baby was fine. I would do the

garlic (your wife) and push for re-testing. I would also ask for a

refund and find another doctor. Is this your first child? Due date?

>

> My wife tested positive. The doctor is being a bully is not open to

> re-testing. She is also demanding IV antibiotics for my wife or has

> stated that our daughter when born will be taken to the nursery and

> given antibiotics for 3 days. For those 3 days we are told we will

> not be able to interact with our daughter.

>

> I've done alot of research but unfortunately I'm not finding that

> good piece of info that i'm looking for that will ease mine and my

> wife's mind.

>

> I know that the chances of our daughter contracting group b strep

is

> very small. Less than 1% according to the materials I've read.

>

> I also have read some enlightening materials which state that the

> mother passes along the antibodies while in womb and via breast

milk

> after born.

>

> So, can anyone answer me why it is that our doctor and the medical

> system as a whole feels inadequate unless they can pump some sort

of

> chemical into my wife or daughter?

>

> Why oh why do i need to fight tooth and nail to keep the CDC's ugly

> disgusting hands off of my child.

>

> Anyone?

>

> Ps. I've done the searches on this forum and many others. But for

> some reason I cannot find out if the antibiotics are mandated by

law

> or not.

>

October 14, 2008

>

> Midwives are much cheaper usually and I will scare you with the

true facts. If your child ends

> up getting IV abx, you will be seeing LOTS of doctors for that

child's early childhood to

> diagnose all sorts of problems they will totally deny are related

to those first few days of

> antibiotics. However, we all know they are totally implicated.

Sensory Processing Disorder is

> the hugest that comes to mind immediately. And don't think you

won't be paying hand over

> fist when THAT shows up at your doorstep from those antibiotics

shoved into your newborn.

>

> Do NOT do it. I understand you are hurting financially, but that

doctor just told you point

> blank that you " would not be able to interact with your own CHILD "

if you don't do what she

> is medically forcing on you! This is NOT Nazi Germany and she

doesn't get to decide your

> medical decisions for you! I personally would demand my money back,

call a lawyer about

> her threatening you, make a stink so loud and shrill that she

kicked YOU out of her practice!

> She SUCKS as a doctor and I can say this totally guilt free. She

has threatened you ahead of

> time. Take that information and MEDITATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT

HER AS A PERSON.

> How dare anyone threaten to remove your *parental control* and

threaten you with removing

> the possibility of bonding with your newborn!!! How dare she???

Don't you let her get away

> with that! Her job is to answer your questions so that YOU may make

an informed medical

> decision about your OWN body and your own child's body.

>

WOW!

This is just the response, I was looking for. Thanks for the power

behind the message. And trust me, I already know what kind of person

the doctor is. A pompous ass who in a perfect world would be

implicated in poisoning thousands of children, stripped of her

medical license, and never be allowed to give medical advice ever

again. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world, but the power

behind your message has given me what I need to fight this. Thank you!

October 14, 2008

>

> I agree with what everyone else has written. My sister tested

> positive, but went into labor so quickly that they didn't have time

> to give her the antibiotics. Her baby was fine. I would do the

> garlic (your wife) and push for re-testing. I would also ask for a

> refund and find another doctor. Is this your first child? Due date?

>

We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask for a refund. We

have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it and will flat out

state that no antibiotics will be given and that we don't wish to

discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of response that gets and

will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

My wife will be starting on a garlic/echinacea combo to build her

immune system starting tomorrow so as to lesson the chance that little

savanna will contract it.

Savanna is due sometime in November. Which is another story altogether.

The Doc thinks Oct 28th even though we know the date of conception. Doc

has even stated that she would wait two weeks after the 28th of Oct

until she forces labor. But here is my thinking if the date of

conception is February 17th, 40 weeks later would be November 23rd.

So if the Doc is thinking of forcing labor 2 weeks after October 28th,

wouldn't that also be a MAJOR mistake?

Can anyone offer any advice on that as well?

October 14, 2008

I agree. The OB will have to refund any money not used yet. If you

leave you will get some of the prenatal and delivery money back.

This is the way it works with insurance and without. Many OB's, even

when you have insurance make you prepay so if you leave early they

have to give it back. If you are unable to or feel uncomfortable

with homebirthing, then I would find a new OB who is friendly with

natural birth. It is never too late to switch. Just explain that

you had prepaid the other OB and you will pay them as soon as the

reimbursement is completed. You may even be able to have the new

OB's office call the old OB and demand the money be transferred.

Even with group b pos. you can have an antibiotic free birth and

they have no right to take your baby from you. I was GB+ and my

midwife and OB both told me that the only repercussion if I delcined

the antibiotics was going to be a mandatory 48 hour hospital stay. I

was fine with that because the baby never left my room anyway. you

do not have a natural birth friendly doctor and it does not sound

like this will be a very good birthing environment.

Please, please, please switch doctors.

>

> Midwives are much cheaper usually and I will scare you with the

true facts. If your child ends

> up getting IV abx, you will be seeing LOTS of doctors for that

child's early childhood to

> diagnose all sorts of problems they will totally deny are related

to those first few days of

> antibiotics. However, we all know they are totally implicated.

Sensory Processing Disorder is

> the hugest that comes to mind immediately. And don't think you

won't be paying hand over

> fist when THAT shows up at your doorstep from those antibiotics

shoved into your newborn.

>

> Do NOT do it. I understand you are hurting financially, but that

doctor just told you point

> blank that you " would not be able to interact with your own CHILD "

if you don't do what she

> is medically forcing on you! This is NOT Nazi Germany and she

doesn't get to decide your

> medical decisions for you! I personally would demand my money back,

call a lawyer about

> her threatening you, make a stink so loud and shrill that she

kicked YOU out of her practice!

> She SUCKS as a doctor and I can say this totally guilt free. She

has threatened you ahead of

> time. Take that information and MEDITATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT

HER AS A PERSON.

> How dare anyone threaten to remove your *parental control* and

threaten you with removing

> the possibility of bonding with your newborn!!! How dare she???

Don't you let her get away

> with that! Her job is to answer your questions so that YOU may make

an informed medical

> decision about your OWN body and your own child's body.

>

October 14, 2008

I agree, Mike. Arlynn has given a very good look into future ramifications. It's

way more than an issue during the birth, and your family will be living with it,

not the doctor.

Remember, you hired the doctor. She works for you. If she's like this before the

birth, imagine what she'll be like during it. Not all doctors are like this. You

don't have to put up with it.

Winnie

Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

Vaccinations

>

> >

> > Midwives are much cheaper usually and I will scare you with

> the

> true facts. If your child ends

> > up getting IV abx, you will be seeing LOTS of doctors for that

> child's early childhood to

> > diagnose all sorts of problems they will totally deny are

> related

> to those first few days of

> > antibiotics. However, we all know they are totally implicated.

> Sensory Processing Disorder is

> > the hugest that comes to mind immediately. And don't think you

> won't be paying hand over

> > fist when THAT shows up at your doorstep from those

> antibiotics

> shoved into your newborn.

> >

> > Do NOT do it. I understand you are hurting financially, but

> that

> doctor just told you point

> > blank that you " would not be able to interact with your own

> CHILD "

> if you don't do what she

> > is medically forcing on you! This is NOT Nazi Germany and she

> doesn't get to decide your

> > medical decisions for you! I personally would demand my money

> back,

> call a lawyer about

> > her threatening you, make a stink so loud and shrill that she

> kicked YOU out of her practice!

> > She SUCKS as a doctor and I can say this totally guilt free.

> She

> has threatened you ahead of

> > time. Take that information and MEDITATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS

> ABOUT

> HER AS A PERSON.

> > How dare anyone threaten to remove your *parental control* and

> threaten you with removing

> > the possibility of bonding with your newborn!!! How dare

> she???

> Don't you let her get away

> > with that! Her job is to answer your questions so that YOU may

> make

> an informed medical

> > decision about your OWN body and your own child's body.

> >

>

> WOW!

> This is just the response, I was looking for. Thanks for the

> power

> behind the message. And trust me, I already know what kind of

> person

> the doctor is. A pompous ass who in a perfect world would be

> implicated in poisoning thousands of children, stripped of her

> medical license, and never be allowed to give medical advice

> ever

> again. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world, but the power

> behind your message has given me what I need to fight this.

> Thank you!

>

October 14, 2008

From: mike yadon <mikeyadon@...>

Subject: Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

Vaccinations

Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:30 PM

We paid the OB a flat fee of $2500 for all prenatal visits and the

delivery of our baby girl. (we don't have health insurance) So,

another doctor at this point would probably be a costly avenue to

follow. But i appreciate all the info. Thanks so much.

I hate to say it, but a 3 day NICU stay plus antibiotics is going to be a whole

lot more expensive than $2500. You're looking at a huge bill if you accept this

doctor's prognosis.

http://gentlebirth.org/archives/gbs.html

Bronwyn

October 14, 2008

The due date is calculated 40 weeks from the first day of the last menstrual

period, not from the day of conception. So, if the doc was calculating according

to that, your wife's period must have started Jan. 22. Either that, or the doc

is way off. The date should be around Nov. 9, if you count back two weeks from

Feb. 17.

Anyway, it's still just an estimate because women's cycles are different, so

it's nice that you know the day of conception. Three of my children were from

8-12 days overdue. One was a few days early but he was breech so I think that

affected it. My docs also got somewhat nervous and spoke about when they would

" take them " but I just ignored them (and I had C-sections with the first two.

They were really wigged out when #3 was 12 days late).

Yes, it would be a mistake to force labor just as a matter of course for the

doc.

Winnie

Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

Vaccinations

>

> >

> > I agree with what everyone else has written. My sister tested

> > positive, but went into labor so quickly that they didn't have

> time

> > to give her the antibiotics. Her baby was fine. I would do

> the

> > garlic (your wife) and push for re-testing. I would also ask

> for a

> > refund and find another doctor. Is this your first child? Due date?

> >

>

> We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask for a

> refund. We

> have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it and will

> flat out

> state that no antibiotics will be given and that we don't wish

> to

> discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of response that gets

> and

> will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

>

> My wife will be starting on a garlic/echinacea combo to build

> her

> immune system starting tomorrow so as to lesson the chance that

> little

> savanna will contract it.

>

> Savanna is due sometime in November. Which is another story

> altogether.

> The Doc thinks Oct 28th even though we know the date of

> conception. Doc

> has even stated that she would wait two weeks after the 28th of

> Oct

> until she forces labor. But here is my thinking if the date of

> conception is February 17th, 40 weeks later would be November

> 23rd.

>

> So if the Doc is thinking of forcing labor 2 weeks after October

> 28th,

> wouldn't that also be a MAJOR mistake?

>

> Can anyone offer any advice on that as well?

>

October 14, 2008

From: mike yadon <mikeyadon@...>

Subject: Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please

Vaccinations

Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 11:34 PM

Savanna is due sometime in November. Which is another story altogether.

The Doc thinks Oct 28th even though we know the date of conception. Doc

has even stated that she would wait two weeks after the 28th of Oct

until she forces labor. But here is my thinking if the date of

conception is February 17th, 40 weeks later would be November 23rd.

So if the Doc is thinking of forcing labor 2 weeks after October 28th,

wouldn't that also be a MAJOR mistake?

Can anyone offer any advice on that as well?

=========================================

Oh, I hate modern obstetrics sometimes. The 40 weeks date starts counting from

the first day of her period, on the assumption that no woman could possibly know

when she conceived and ovulated and so on. And for many women that's true.

However, in your case if you know when conception happened, then the first day

of the cycle date is useless, especially considering it's also based on the

assumption that every woman has a perfect 28 day cycle with ovulation on day 14!

Soooooooo not true. Case in point. My youngest was conceived on day 25 of a 40

day cycle. His due date would have been 11 days too early if I'd gone by the

outdated obstetric model. But because I was keeping careful track, I knew when I

ovulated and exactly how far along I was. Anyway, in answer to your question,

yes, Oct 28 is too early a date for you. If you conceived Feb 17, then the date

would more likely be Nov 10, plus or minus at least 2 weeks on either side.

I can't say it loud enough. RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN from this doctor! She will

not respect either you or your wife in labor, and I just shudder to think how it

would turn out.

Bronwyn

October 14, 2008

I agree with the other comments: Run from this OB. Antibiotics aside, you

don't want an OB that won't respect your wife's body. (Did you know first

time Moms deliver, on average, at 41w1d?) Get a refund and find someone

else.

FYI: Medicaid for pregnant women is available and is easier to get than just

medicaid. They cover midwives in the 3 states I've lived in (NJ, NC, FL).

Some states only cover CNMs (like NC), but that is still better than an OB!

Oh, and in FL, If I had tested GBS positive, I had the right to refuse ABX

for both the baby and myself.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

October 14, 2008

Well said, Arlynn!!! I would be furious too! I can't believe that

doctor threatened to take the baby for 3 days! No matter what, don't

forget that hospitals are businesses and you are the " customer " . You

have rights, and they can't take those away. You have the right to

refuse treatment. You have the right to walk out of that hospital of

your own free will with your new baby an hour after he/she is born if

you want to! That being said, GBS isn't always something to

dismiss. I belong to a holistic mothering group and the national

leader just recently posted about the problems she encountered with

her son and GBS. She tested positive and went the antibiotic route,

and her son still contracted it. He suffered seizures (no vaxes) and

almost died. They actually had a priest administer last rites. He

did survive, but has brain damage and will always be special needs

now. I'm not telling you this to scare you, but as with everything

there are risks and benefits. I tested GBS positive with my second

child and decided to do the IV antibiotics during delivery. They did

not give my son any antibiotics (just what he got through me), and we

didn't experience any problems (with GBS). He did have acid reflux

as an infant, so who knows if that was a result of disturbing the

beneficial bacteria in his gut. Good Luck to you with this decision.

You may need to be more aggressive with your doctor on what your

beliefs are, and maybe the doc will back down a little. Hopefully if

you have more kids, you can go the midwife route! --

>

> Midwives are much cheaper usually and I will scare you with the

true facts. If your child ends

> up getting IV abx, you will be seeing LOTS of doctors for that

child's early childhood to

> diagnose all sorts of problems they will totally deny are related

to those first few days of

> antibiotics. However, we all know they are totally implicated.

Sensory Processing Disorder is

> the hugest that comes to mind immediately. And don't think you

won't be paying hand over

> fist when THAT shows up at your doorstep from those antibiotics

shoved into your newborn.

>

> Do NOT do it. I understand you are hurting financially, but that

doctor just told you point

> blank that you " would not be able to interact with your own CHILD "

if you don't do what she

> is medically forcing on you! This is NOT Nazi Germany and she

doesn't get to decide your

> medical decisions for you! I personally would demand my money back,

call a lawyer about

> her threatening you, make a stink so loud and shrill that she

kicked YOU out of her practice!

> She SUCKS as a doctor and I can say this totally guilt free. She

has threatened you ahead of

> time. Take that information and MEDITATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT

HER AS A PERSON.

> How dare anyone threaten to remove your *parental control* and

threaten you with removing

> the possibility of bonding with your newborn!!! How dare she???

Don't you let her get away

> with that! Her job is to answer your questions so that YOU may make

an informed medical

> decision about your OWN body and your own child's body.

>

October 14, 2008

Can you find another doctor before you go for the next visit? Or, see

if she can be accepted somewhere else? . It might be to far into

pregnancy to find any other doctor If you can find somebody else

and this doctor gets irate you can try to get some of the money back

and then tell her where to go.

I didn't care for my doctors but I was stuck because nobody else

would take me at that time of my pregnancy. Are you considering a

home birth...just wondering?

I would do some research on echinacea and pregnancy. In My opinion,

it shouldn't be taken for more than a day or so.

I know you are in a tough position. You are ahead of the game,

however. I didn't know a much as I do now. Wish I did.

Best wishes,

Correy

On Oct 14, 2008, at 2:34 AM, mike yadon wrote:

>

> >

> > I agree with what everyone else has written. My sister tested

> > positive, but went into labor so quickly that they didn't have time

> > to give her the antibiotics. Her baby was fine. I would do the

> > garlic (your wife) and push for re-testing. I would also ask for a

> > refund and find another doctor. Is this your first child? Due date?

> >

>

> We will definitely fight this and quite possibly ask for a refund. We

> have an appt today at 1pm. I will be prepared for it and will flat out

> state that no antibiotics will be given and that we don't wish to

> discuss it any further. I'll see what kind of response that gets and

> will do whatever necessary to avoid this.

>

> My wife will be starting on a garlic/echinacea combo to build her

> immune system starting tomorrow so as to lesson the chance that little

> savanna will contract it.

>

> Savanna is due sometime in November. Which is another story

> altogether.

> The Doc thinks Oct 28th even though we know the date of conception.

> Doc

> has even stated that she would wait two weeks after the 28th of Oct

> until she forces labor. But here is my thinking if the date of

> conception is February 17th, 40 weeks later would be November 23rd.

>

> So if the Doc is thinking of forcing labor 2 weeks after October 28th,

> wouldn't that also be a MAJOR mistake?

>

> Can anyone offer any advice on that as well?

>

October 14, 2008