Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Some people are sensitive and it may burn to have the garlic juices directly in contact with the sensitive skin. christina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 yes....if you score it just a little, it should be fine. and then a little more as time goes by. If it bothers you, you'd stop. This is a good way to for the garlic to be more affective. We should take thiss OT...no? On Oct 15, 2008, at 10:25 AM, wrote: > Some people are sensitive and it may burn to have the garlic juices > directly in contact with the sensitive skin. christina > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Sue has asked twice now (under a seperate thread) that this be taken to the OT4VAX list... On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Le <kdhrtd@...> wrote: > > We should take thiss OT...no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Thanks for that , I'm sure there are plenty of people here, who like me, only read the thread they're currently involved in. Nice to know there's been a request to move it. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Roberg <trinnea@...> wrote: > Sue has asked twice now (under a seperate thread) that this be taken > to the OT4VAX list... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Thank you, - it's nice to know *someone* reads what I post!! LOL!! Sue x -- Re: Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please Sue has asked twice now (under a seperate thread) that this be taken to the OT4VAX list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Hello everyone!  I am about a month behind on my emails and came across this thread, so Mike if your wife has already delivered I hope all went well for you and if not then maybe you can take my experience and do some extra research besides what is being said here on this group.  Honestly, I have not read everyone's responses because I couldn't bring myself to it and I am sure I am going to get blasted for writing this but I think it needs to be said.  First, I want to introduce myself, I joined this group awhile ago because a co-worker had a 3 year old granddaughter contract cancer from the Polio Vaccine and advised me to research vaccinations, which my child is not vaccinated and she is 16 months old.  Now on to this topic - I have to disagree with ALL of you that are advising people to not get antibiotics when the are GBS+ you are literally and possibly have caused deaths with this advice. The reason I know this is because I have lost not one but TWO children due to GBS and by not having antibiotics. I totally agree with the majority out there that we are giving way too many antibiotics for situations that do not need them etc., but this is NOT one of those cases. And for those of you that are advising people not to give antibiotics for being GBS+ because your child will be affected by this in the future is NOT true, my 16 month old has not once been affected by my antibiotic usage.  Here is my story in 1998 I had a son and he DIED when he was 2 weeks old, back then the CDC did not require the GBS test of pregnant woman so I was never tested and never given antibiotics, and because he did not show signs of being affected with GBS he was not given antibiotics and as a result he DIED when he was 2 weeks old. Next, in 2000 I was pregnant with my daughter and when I was 6 months along I noticed she was not moving and was confirmed with an ultrasound that she had DIED as well. An autopsy was done and it was ruled her DEATH was due to GBS - YES GBS CAN INFECT CHILDREN IN THE UTERO - MANY DOCTORS WILL NOT AGREE TO THIS BUT I HAVE AN AUTOPSY TO PROVE IT. So how did this happen well with all of the internal/vaginal checks doctors insist on ended up pushing the bacteria into the utero and infecting my daughter and ended up KILLING her. Could all of this have been prevented? ABSOLUTELY - How by first knowing you are positive with GBS and second INSISTING ON ANTIBIOTICS.  Mike and all others out there if you want to get concrete evidence, proof or whatever then I suggest you join a GBS group because all the of the statistics grossly underestimate those that are affected with GBS and all of the DEATHS that due occur because doctors 1) do not test women for GBS or 2) they are not given the proper amounts of antibiotics.  So, when I became pregnant again I had a hard time in even getting a doctor to understand what had happened or to do what I had wanted. I took YEARS to get pregnant again until I knew exactly how to protect my unborn child.. I found a high risk clinic who created a plan with me in that I was giving 1 antibiotic daily from the moment I was 12 weeks along till birth then second I had to make the hardest decision ever and that was to be induced or not, I am 100% against inductions unless they are absolutely necessary - and because of my history of fast labor and the fact I knew I would not get ENOUGH antibiotics in me if I wasn't I was induced at 38 1/2 weeks, I was given 6 rounds YES 6 rounds of antibiotics to make absolutely sure I and my unborn child was 100% protected - I gave birth to an absolutely healthy baby girl who I INSISTED on being tested for GBS after birth to make sure she was not infected and all of this was possible because of ANTIBIOTICS. Had I not had then I would absolutely had buried my 3rd child.  Mike - you and your wife actually have a very good and proactive doctor who is doing nothing but trying to protect your unborn child to a horrible death and you are lucky to have him/her I was not so lucky in my first two cases.  So for all of you advising people to NOT get Antibiotics when they are GBS+ you are potentially killing babies I know THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES that have been infected by this horrible bacteria and to have a group out here advising people not to get protected when we have for YEARS been passing the message along to INSIST on getting antibiotics SCARES the crap out of me. I literally found myself in the bathroom getting sick after reading some of these responses and truly hope the majority of you take MY advice and if you want to give ADVICE to someone in regards to GBS then you join a GBS group and get ALL the information before telling those to NOT get antibiotics - GBS IS ONE OF THE TOP CAUSES OF INFANT DEATHS AND IT CAN 100% BE PREVENTED WITH THE USE OF ANTIBIOTICS.  I am sorry if I have offended anyone out there but this is one case where it truly hits home and I would hate for any of you out there that gave advice to someone about GBS and told them not to get the antibiotics - I just pray to GOD that you have not caused a child to become sick or worse killed them.   PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR ANYONE OUT THERE THAT IS GBS+ PLEASE DO MORE RESEARCH THEN WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ON THIS GROUP AND WHAT THE CDC REPORTS!!! YOUR UNBORN CHILD DESERVES THE BEST FIGHTING CHANCE AGAINST GBS. - JOIN A GBS GROUP TALK TO THOSE THAT HAVE GONE THRU THIS AND LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT GBS AND WHAT TO INSIST ON WHEN YOU ARE GBS+.  TAMI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Tami, I am so sorry to hear about the losses you have suffered. I can't imagine how painful that must have been. Congrats on the birth of your healthy little one! What wonderful news to blessed after having so much taken away. In my humble opinion, we all really need to take what is said on here for what it's worth. We are all just parents, not experts. While many of us have done TONS of research on different health issues, I feel it's important to take info from both sides and make your decisions based on facts. I must say however, I am a big believer in trusting your instincts. I tested GBS positive with my second pregnancy and did have the antibiotics. My son had infant acid reflux for the first several months of his life ( I just posted on the OT4VAX group about it) and who knows if it was caused by the antibiotics. I guess you have to weigh the risks. Hopefully everyone remembers that the info that is shared here should be weighed carefully, just as any info you would recieve from the medical field should be as well. Thank you for sharing your story. There are always two sides and I think it's good to be reminded of that once in a while. Go give your baby a kiss! -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Tami, I am so sorry that happened to you and your family. It is the worst thing I can think of to have happened to anyone. I am very happy that you have a healthy child and were able to figure out what was happening. What would you say to someone who dealt with this issue naturally. ,Maybe they could take something (natural antibacterial)by mouth and vaginally. Then they could keep a watchful eye on their condition. One of the other things I have heard is NOT to let the doctor do an internal exam to prevent spreading. The newborn should also be tested immediately after birth. Do you see any alternatives for someone that has a problem with antibiotics? Best wishes correy On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Tami Kern wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I am about a month behind on my emails and came across this thread, > so Mike if your wife has already delivered I hope all went well for > you and if not then maybe you can take my experience and do some > extra research besides what is being said here on this group. > > Honestly, I have not read everyone's responses because I couldn't > bring myself to it and I am sure I am going to get blasted for > writing this but I think it needs to be said. > > First, I want to introduce myself, I joined this group awhile ago > because a co-worker had a 3 year old granddaughter contract cancer > from the Polio Vaccine and advised me to research vaccinations, > which my child is not vaccinated and she is 16 months old. > > Now on to this topic - I have to disagree with ALL of you that are > advising people to not get antibiotics when the are GBS+ you are > literally and possibly have caused deaths with this advice. The > reason I know this is because I have lost not one but TWO children > due to GBS and by not having antibiotics. I totally agree with the > majority out there that we are giving way too many antibiotics for > situations that do not need them etc., but this is NOT one of those > cases. And for those of you that are advising people not to give > antibiotics for being GBS+ because your child will be affected by > this in the future is NOT true, my 16 month old has not once been > affected by my antibiotic usage. > > Here is my story in 1998 I had a son and he DIED when he was 2 > weeks old, back then the CDC did not require the GBS test of > pregnant woman so I was never tested and never given antibiotics, > and because he did not show signs of being affected with GBS he was > not given antibiotics and as a result he DIED when he was 2 weeks > old. Next, in 2000 I was pregnant with my daughter and when I was > 6 months along I noticed she was not moving and was confirmed with > an ultrasound that she had DIED as well. An autopsy was done and > it was ruled her DEATH was due to GBS - YES GBS CAN INFECT CHILDREN > IN THE UTERO - MANY DOCTORS WILL NOT AGREE TO THIS BUT I HAVE AN > AUTOPSY TO PROVE IT. So how did this happen well with all of the > internal/vaginal checks doctors insist on ended up pushing the > bacteria into the utero and infecting my daughter and ended up > KILLING her. Could all of this have been prevented? ABSOLUTELY - > How by first knowing you are positive with GBS > and second INSISTING ON ANTIBIOTICS. > > Mike and all others out there if you want to get concrete evidence, > proof or whatever then I suggest you join a GBS group because all > the of the statistics grossly underestimate those that are affected > with GBS and all of the DEATHS that due occur because doctors 1) do > not test women for GBS or 2) they are not given the proper amounts > of antibiotics. > > So, when I became pregnant again I had a hard time in even getting > a doctor to understand what had happened or to do what I had > wanted. I took YEARS to get pregnant again until I knew exactly > how to protect my unborn child.. I found a high risk clinic who > created a plan with me in that I was giving 1 antibiotic daily from > the moment I was 12 weeks along till birth then second I had to > make the hardest decision ever and that was to be induced or not, I > am 100% against inductions unless they are absolutely necessary - > and because of my history of fast labor and the fact I knew I would > not get ENOUGH antibiotics in me if I wasn't I was induced at 38 > 1/2 weeks, I was given 6 rounds YES 6 rounds of antibiotics to make > absolutely sure I and my unborn child was 100% protected - I gave > birth to an absolutely healthy baby girl who I INSISTED on being > tested for GBS after birth to make sure she was not infected and > all of this was possible because of > ANTIBIOTICS. Had I not had then I would absolutely had buried my > 3rd child. > > Mike - you and your wife actually have a very good and proactive > doctor who is doing nothing but trying to protect your unborn child > to a horrible death and you are lucky to have him/her I was not so > lucky in my first two cases. > > So for all of you advising people to NOT get Antibiotics when they > are GBS+ you are potentially killing babies I know THOUSANDS OF > FAMILIES that have been infected by this horrible bacteria and to > have a group out here advising people not to get protected when we > have for YEARS been passing the message along to INSIST on getting > antibiotics SCARES the crap out of me. I literally found myself in > the bathroom getting sick after reading some of these responses and > truly hope the majority of you take MY advice and if you want to > give ADVICE to someone in regards to GBS then you join a GBS group > and get ALL the information before telling those to NOT get > antibiotics - GBS IS ONE OF THE TOP CAUSES OF INFANT DEATHS AND IT > CAN 100% BE PREVENTED WITH THE USE OF ANTIBIOTICS. > > I am sorry if I have offended anyone out there but this is one case > where it truly hits home and I would hate for any of you out there > that gave advice to someone about GBS and told them not to get the > antibiotics - I just pray to GOD that you have not caused a child > to become sick or worse killed them. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR > ANYONE OUT THERE THAT IS GBS+ PLEASE DO MORE RESEARCH THEN WHAT HAS > BEEN DISCUSSED ON THIS GROUP AND WHAT THE CDC REPORTS!!! YOUR > UNBORN CHILD DESERVES THE BEST FIGHTING CHANCE AGAINST GBS. - JOIN > A GBS GROUP TALK TO THOSE THAT HAVE GONE THRU THIS AND LEARN THE > TRUTH ABOUT GBS AND WHAT TO INSIST ON WHEN YOU ARE GBS+. > > TAMI > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Correy,  Honestly, in this situation I would not recommend anything naturally mainly because I wouldn't even risk the outcome of not knowing if it would work when the antibiotics given while in labor thru IV have been proven to work over and over again, I just wouldn't chance it mainly because I have buried two children and CAN'T go thru that again. I guess I look at it this way this disease has been one of the top causes of infant deaths and many other horrific diseases and many of those diseases leading to death or a great disability. I just believe 100% in THIS situation that if you want to protect your child from this bacteria and you ahave thankfully been told you are positive with GBS then that is your sign to protect your child from DEATH.  The problem with " keeping a watchful eye " is that not all babies who have been contracted with GBS show signs, if you read up on GBS infants SHOULD have specific signs fever, a grunting noise etc, but this is not always the case. My two week old son literally died in his sleep - much like a SIDS death - he had absolutely NO signs of it at all. At his 1 week check up he was gaining weight and was absolutely healthy or so we thought. The other problem with GBS is that babies can die even as late as 6 months old meaning a " late onset " of the disease so how can you keep a watchful eye when there may be no signs of it and good luck trying to get a doctor to take multiple tests for it, it will NEVER happen. That is why I am so for antibiotics in THIS situation because it can creep up on you without you knowing and it will be too late.  You are 100% correct in that a person being GBS+ should NEVER have vaginal checks and this has been the hardest thing to get doctors to NOT do. I refused vaginal checks and I swear they thought I was an idiot but hey I have a healthy 16 month old now so again it was worth it. I just feel even if you are not GBS+ and again the problem with GBS+ women is that you can be positive one time and negative the other so they say once you test positive for GBS you are always positive, I just would refuse vaginal checks period because they normally test women between 36 to 38 weeks but if you have been having vaginal checks your baby may already be infected before you have even been tested for it.  Such as my case when I lost my daughter.  The other problem is that 99% of your regular OB/GYNs do not believe a child can be infected in the Utero, even my High Risk doctor did not believe me at first until he read my daughter's autopsy (it is like they have to have an experience with it at first before they will believe because when you read all the statistics on GBS it never mentions a baby being infected in the Utero ). The first time I allowed a vaginal check was when I was in the hospital and had already had 3 rounds of antibiotics and THEN I allowed them to check me.  The other thing I would advise is to NOT have an epidural - Why? Because typically women having one slows their labor process which is not good for being GBS+. You want to have the fastest labor as possible to get the baby out as quick as you can because the longer they are in the birth canal the higher risk of being infected with GBS and I would not allow the doctor to break your waters until you have been given enough rounds of antibiotics (in my case after 4 rounds) because again once that has been broken the baby has a higher risk of being infected when not properly being protected beforehand. This is why I had such a hard time deciding on an induction because I do not believe in them but I couldn't risk my water breaking on its own and I have not had enough antibiotics to protect my baby and knowing my labors are fast I would not have had enough rounds to clear the bacteria before delivering - my last labor was 7 hours from start to finish which would mean only 1 round of antibiotics since they are given every 4 hours.  I just ask all those that are dealing with GBS to seriously read up on the disease, join a GBS support group and learn from those that have been infected by it because the medical community does NOT pass on enough information about how to protect your child properly in this situation and some doctors still today do not even test pregnant women for GBS and unfortunately if you " wait " to see what happens in most cases it is too late.  Again, this is all I have learned, researched, talked with doctors and other families who have dealt with this situation. These are the steps I feel would protect your child in every aspect you can. I could tell you story after story of thousands of families being infected and some of the worst are the women who have home births because they want the very best for their babies but chose not to get antibiotics or did not know they were GBS+ and when their babies do show signs of being infected by the time they got to the hospital it was too late and they lost their babies, or women who have vaginal checks in their 3rd trimester because their doctor wants to see where they are and the next day not feeling their baby move any more and go in for an ultrasound and their baby has passed. The bacteria is a killer and a very FAST one.  I believe Mike has a very good doctor in this situation - which many do not - it sounds like the doctor HAS had an experience with GBS because for him to say that if his wife did not get the antibiotics they would give them to the baby - to me that is Wonderful news because that doctor knows what CAN happen with this disease. But in my opinion I would much rather be given the antibiotics then to have my child given them directly all because I refused to.  This is one disease you do NOT want to mess with or chance that it will all be ok and if not then get the antibiotics because many times it is too late.  Again this is just want I have learned after 6 long years of research in trying to protect my next child as much as I could.  Tami > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 I am sorry about your loss. I too have lost a child. My daughter died because of the drugs they gave her. In reading your story I take exception to your saying folks like me actually cause babies to die. You are assuming we are ignorant of the functions  of drugs. All drugs are poisons and have DIRECT effects. No drug can heal the human body. Your statements which you have every right to believe are not proof. There is no proof that your co-workers child developed cancer from the polio vaccine. There is no proof that your third child lived because you took drugs. But there is proof that drugs(which are mistakenly called medications) cause every type of disease including death. Its the PDR written by the people who make the drugs. I think that I can safely say that your 6 years of study came from the same source, the Allopathic medical profession. I gave them up after 3 years of their treatment for my daughter. Why because there treatments, poisoning and cutting out your vital organs don't make a lot of sense. I do not know the circumstances of your child's infection, but i do know there was a cause. If you wish to believe the theory that germs all of a sudden decided to target your children that is your right, but I don't buy it and don't want to be branded as a baby killer of your,in my opinion, erroneous beliefs. I know you went through hell for a few years. The hell I went through lasted 30 years, however I will shout from the rooftops that drugs are poison and can not heal, but I would never accuse anyone of killing children by poisoning their body with anti (against)biotics(life). Jim ________________________________ From: Tami Kern <tamikern@...> Vaccinations Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:55:07 AM Subject: Re: Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please Correy,  Honestly, in this situation I would not recommend anything naturally mainly because I wouldn't even risk the outcome of not knowing if it would work when the antibiotics given while in labor thru IV have been proven to work over and over again, I just wouldn't chance it mainly because I have buried two children and CAN'T go thru that again. I guess I look at it this way this disease has been one of the top causes of infant deaths and many other horrific diseases and many of those diseases leading to death or a great disability. I just believe 100% in THIS situation that if you want to protect your child from this bacteria and you ahave thankfully been told you are positive with GBS then that is your sign to protect your child from DEATH.  The problem with " keeping a watchful eye " is that not all babies who have been contracted with GBS show signs, if you read up on GBS infants SHOULD have specific signs fever, a grunting noise etc, but this is not always the case. My two week old son literally died in his sleep - much like a SIDS death - he had absolutely NO signs of it at all. At his 1 week check up he was gaining weight and was absolutely healthy or so we thought. The other problem with GBS is that babies can die even as late as 6 months old meaning a " late onset " of the disease so how can you keep a watchful eye when there may be no signs of it and good luck trying to get a doctor to take multiple tests for it, it will NEVER happen. That is why I am so for antibiotics in THIS situation because it can creep up on you without you knowing and it will be too late.  You are 100% correct in that a person being GBS+ should NEVER have vaginal checks and this has been the hardest thing to get doctors to NOT do. I refused vaginal checks and I swear they thought I was an idiot but hey I have a healthy 16 month old now so again it was worth it. I just feel even if you are not GBS+ and again the problem with GBS+ women is that you can be positive one time and negative the other so they say once you test positive for GBS you are always positive, I just would refuse vaginal checks period because they normally test women between 36 to 38 weeks but if you have been having vaginal checks your baby may already be infected before you have even been tested for it.  Such as my case when I lost my daughter.  The other problem is that 99% of your regular OB/GYNs do not believe a child can be infected in the Utero, even my High Risk doctor did not believe me at first until he read my daughter's autopsy (it is like they have to have an experience with it at first before they will believe because when you read all the statistics on GBS it never mentions a baby being infected in the Utero ). The first time I allowed a vaginal check was when I was in the hospital and had already had 3 rounds of antibiotics and THEN I allowed them to check me.  The other thing I would advise is to NOT have an epidural - Why? Because typically women having one slows their labor process which is not good for being GBS+. You want to have the fastest labor as possible to get the baby out as quick as you can because the longer they are in the birth canal the higher risk of being infected with GBS and I would not allow the doctor to break your waters until you have been given enough rounds of antibiotics (in my case after 4 rounds) because again once that has been broken the baby has a higher risk of being infected when not properly being protected beforehand. This is why I had such a hard time deciding on an induction because I do not believe in them but I couldn't risk my water breaking on its own and I have not had enough antibiotics to protect my baby and knowing my labors are fast I would not have had enough rounds to clear the bacteria before delivering - my last labor was 7 hours from start to finish which would mean only 1 round of antibiotics since they are given every 4 hours.  I just ask all those that are dealing with GBS to seriously read up on the disease, join a GBS support group and learn from those that have been infected by it because the medical community does NOT pass on enough information about how to protect your child properly in this situation and some doctors still today do not even test pregnant women for GBS and unfortunately if you " wait " to see what happens in most cases it is too late.  Again, this is all I have learned, researched, talked with doctors and other families who have dealt with this situation. These are the steps I feel would protect your child in every aspect you can. I could tell you story after story of thousands of families being infected and some of the worst are the women who have home births because they want the very best for their babies but chose not to get antibiotics or did not know they were GBS+ and when their babies do show signs of being infected by the time they got to the hospital it was too late and they lost their babies, or women who have vaginal checks in their 3rd trimester because their doctor wants to see where they are and the next day not feeling their baby move any more and go in for an ultrasound and their baby has passed. The bacteria is a killer and a very FAST one.  I believe Mike has a very good doctor in this situation - which many do not - it sounds like the doctor HAS had an experience with GBS because for him to say that if his wife did not get the antibiotics they would give them to the baby - to me that is Wonderful news because that doctor knows what CAN happen with this disease. But in my opinion I would much rather be given the antibiotics then to have my child given them directly all because I refused to.  This is one disease you do NOT want to mess with or chance that it will all be ok and if not then get the antibiotics because many times it is too late.  Again this is just want I have learned after 6 long years of research in trying to protect my next child as much as I could.  Tami > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Tami, Thanks for this reminder. I think we all want to avoid unnecessary interventions, and I personally was feeling bad about capitulating to the antibiotics when i tested positive for GBS after reading a lot of posts here. Your post pointed out that there ARE appropriate times for antibiotics. I now feel better about my decision. I am so sorry you had to go through these losses. Thank goodness your daughter is now thriving. Kylie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 If I had GBS when I was pregnant, I must admit, I probably would have used the antibiotics. I would rather take them then have them given directly to my newborn. I would want to know that what I was taking was proven " mostly " to work. I wouldn't be able to chance it. (They put her on antibiotics for 2 days for other reasons...:0( ) I think that it would be a good idea for them to test for this infection at birth. And, they need to test right after you find out you are pregnant. What I thought was... if you take a natural antibiotic and kept testing for this through your pregnancy to see if the numbers went down. I do understand your point on this, too. ... What you said is true, that there is no proof that natural things work but there is more proof that antibiotics do. I WISH they would do trials on other things besides what the pharms make! It is to bad that our only choice, most times, is something big pharm conjures up. You are a strong and brave women. I don't know if I could have lived through what you have. I am not as strong as you. Best Wishes, correy On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Jim O wrote: > I am sorry about your loss. I too have lost a child. My daughter > died because of the drugs they gave her. > In reading your story I take exception to your saying folks like me > actually cause babies to die. You are assuming we are ignorant of > the functions of drugs. All drugs are poisons and have DIRECT > effects. No drug can heal the human body. Your statements which you > have every right to believe are not proof. There is no proof that > your co-workers child developed cancer from the polio vaccine. > There is no proof that your third child lived because you took drugs. > > But there is proof that drugs(which are mistakenly called > medications) cause every type of disease including death. > Its the PDR written by the people who make the drugs. I think that > I can safely say that your 6 years of study came from the same > source, the Allopathic medical profession. I gave them up after 3 > years of their treatment for my daughter. Why because there > treatments, poisoning and cutting out your vital organs don't make > a lot of sense. > I do not know the circumstances of your child's infection, but i do > know there was a cause. If you wish to believe the theory that > germs all of a sudden decided to target your children that is your > right, but I don't buy it and don't want to be branded as a baby > killer of your,in my opinion, erroneous beliefs. I know you went > through hell for a few years. The hell I went through lasted 30 > years, however I will shout from the rooftops that drugs are poison > and can not heal, but I would never accuse anyone of killing > children by poisoning their body with anti (against)biotics(life). > > Jim > > ________________________________ > From: Tami Kern <tamikern@...> > Vaccinations > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:55:07 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Can we revisit Group B Strep Please > > Correy, > > Honestly, in this situation I would not recommend anything > naturally mainly because I wouldn't even risk the outcome of not > knowing if it would work when the antibiotics given while in labor > thru IV have been proven to work over and over again, I just > wouldn't chance it mainly because I have buried two children and > CAN'T go thru that again. I guess I look at it this way this > disease has been one of the top causes of infant deaths and many > other horrific diseases and many of those diseases leading to death > or a great disability. I just believe 100% in THIS situation that > if you want to protect your child from this bacteria and you ahave > thankfully been told you are positive with GBS then that is your > sign to protect your child from DEATH. > > The problem with " keeping a watchful eye " is that not all babies > who have been contracted with GBS show signs, if you read up on GBS > infants SHOULD have specific signs fever, a grunting noise etc, but > this is not always the case. My two week old son literally died in > his sleep - much like a SIDS death - he had absolutely NO signs of > it at all. At his 1 week check up he was gaining weight and was > absolutely healthy or so we thought. The other problem with GBS is > that babies can die even as late as 6 months old meaning a " late > onset " of the disease so how can you keep a watchful eye when there > may be no signs of it and good luck trying to get a doctor to take > multiple tests for it, it will NEVER happen. That is why I am so > for antibiotics in THIS situation because it can creep up on you > without you knowing and it will be too late. > > You are 100% correct in that a person being GBS+ should NEVER have > vaginal checks and this has been the hardest thing to get doctors > to NOT do. I refused vaginal checks and I swear they thought I was > an idiot but hey I have a healthy 16 month old now so again it was > worth it. I just feel even if you are not GBS+ and again the > problem with GBS+ women is that you can be positive one time and > negative the other so they say once you test positive for GBS you > are always positive, I just would refuse vaginal checks period > because they normally test women between 36 to 38 weeks but if you > have been having vaginal checks your baby may already be infected > before you have even been tested for it. Such as my case when I > lost my daughter. The other problem is that 99% of your regular > OB/GYNs do not believe a child can be infected in the Utero, even > my High Risk doctor did not believe me at first until he read my > daughter's autopsy (it is like they have > to have an experience with it at first before they will believe > because when you read all the statistics on GBS it never mentions a > baby being infected in the Utero ). The first time I allowed a > vaginal check was when I was in the hospital and had already had 3 > rounds of antibiotics and THEN I allowed them to check me. > > The other thing I would advise is to NOT have an epidural - Why? > Because typically women having one slows their labor process which > is not good for being GBS+. You want to have the fastest labor as > possible to get the baby out as quick as you can because the longer > they are in the birth canal the higher risk of being infected with > GBS and I would not allow the doctor to break your waters until you > have been given enough rounds of antibiotics (in my case after 4 > rounds) because again once that has been broken the baby has a > higher risk of being infected when not properly being protected > beforehand. This is why I had such a hard time deciding on an > induction because I do not believe in them but I couldn't risk my > water breaking on its own and I have not had enough antibiotics to > protect my baby and knowing my labors are fast I would not have had > enough rounds to clear the bacteria before delivering - my last > labor was 7 hours from start to finish > which would mean only 1 round of antibiotics since they are given > every 4 hours. > > I just ask all those that are dealing with GBS to seriously read up > on the disease, join a GBS support group and learn from those that > have been infected by it because the medical community does NOT > pass on enough information about how to protect your child properly > in this situation and some doctors still today do not even test > pregnant women for GBS and unfortunately if you " wait " to see what > happens in most cases it is too late. > > Again, this is all I have learned, researched, talked with doctors > and other families who have dealt with this situation. These are > the steps I feel would protect your child in every aspect you can. > I could tell you story after story of thousands of families being > infected and some of the worst are the women who have home births > because they want the very best for their babies but chose not to > get antibiotics or did not know they were GBS+ and when their > babies do show signs of being infected by the time they got to the > hospital it was too late and they lost their babies, or women who > have vaginal checks in their 3rd trimester because their doctor > wants to see where they are and the next day not feeling their baby > move any more and go in for an ultrasound and their baby has > passed. The bacteria is a killer and a very FAST one. > > I believe Mike has a very good doctor in this situation - which > many do not - it sounds like the doctor HAS had an experience with > GBS because for him to say that if his wife did not get the > antibiotics they would give them to the baby - to me that is > Wonderful news because that doctor knows what CAN happen with this > disease. But in my opinion I would much rather be given the > antibiotics then to have my child given them directly all because I > refused to. This is one disease you do NOT want to mess with or > chance that it will all be ok and if not then get the antibiotics > because many times it is too late. > > Again this is just want I have learned after 6 long years of > research in trying to protect my next child as much as I could. > > Tami > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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