Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:07:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wallflower67@... writes: I guess the question is, do you want to do these things? Are they brief, suicidal thoughts? Like, " I might as well throw myself off this balcony. " Or are they thoughts that you desparately do NOT want to do? For me it is like I realize I have the power to do it and ask myself, WOULD I? and my answer is always no, but I still vision them in my mind. I guess if I ever consider doing them it is to satisfy the vision, which I have never done. Not all of them are fatal images, like driving off a bridge, some are small things, like breaking plates or something. Haven't had that in awhile. I also have these thoughts happen when I see other people in dangerous positions, and because of that I tend to be over-cautious about certain things. Usually it is just my kids. My oldest boy was helping us roof last summer and I just could not handle it. My nerves just fall apart and I am almost sick worrying if he will fall off or something. Some of these thoughts are reasonable, some are not I guess. I don't have them that often. But I just SEE my son falling off, I picture him laying lifeless on the ground, me screaming, trying to revive him, trying to cope with the fact he is dead. The scenarios get further and further if I let them. Sometimes I make them stop doing...whatever...because I cannot reason with myself that it is OK. ~~Lori Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 I guess the question is, do you want to do these things? Are they brief, suicidal thoughts? Like, " I might as well throw myself off this balcony. " Or are they thoughts that you desparately do NOT want to do? Do you avoid balconies or driving in certain situations? My driving off the road thoughts are much worse on highway/interstate situations. I usually do not have thoughts about driving into on-coming traffic, though I have had that too. I don't have problems on freeways in big cities (I live in NE, but my parents live in Houston) because I think I'm actively concentrating on staying alive, LOL! Laurie imogeneyassi@... wrote: I have the balcony thing, the driving off the road thing and more.? I DON'T have OCD.? These thoughts can come with depression.? They are not normal. Re: Re: New I have the balcony/rail thing too. No advice. Just a me too! Laurie J wrote: I've had those thoughts too. As well, thoughts of climbing over the rail on a balcony, stepping off a cliff, etc. I'd never act on them, but the thoughts are upsetting. About a year ago, when travelling back and forth on the highway from visiting my ailing FIL, I had the thought of pulling into the oncoming lane. It was when I was by myself in the car and it was extremely upsetting. I think perhaps my thoughts were stemming from the stress & anxiety around my FIL suffering from terminal brain cancer. > > Hi. I am Lori from Indiana, USA. I have a 9 year > > old daughter with (I am > > pretty sure) OCD. Her initial eval is today after > > school. She has been having > > trouble at school for quite some time and it took me > > a couple years to > > recognize the OCD issues. I don't know why, I have > > OCD, too. It is mild. I took > > medications awhile but I have bad reactions to all > > SSRI's so I deal with my > > problems without meds. I have also dealt with > > depression, but no longer suffer from > > that. I have learned how to live with my OCD and it > > is just part of who I > > am. It is a daily struggle I am used to I guess. > > > > My daughter, however, seems to have it worse. I > > don't know if 9 is young to > > be diagnosed with it or not. I am not even sure that > > will be her diagnosis > > but if it is not OCD I do not know what it is. She > > has episodes at school where > > she loses control and " shuts down " and these > > problems have prompted many a > > meeting and phone call with the > > principal/teacher/counselor, etc. I guess I > > thought she would grow out of it and I somehow > > ignored some obvious signs, like > > her compulsive cleaning, changing clothes several > > times a day, preoccupation > > with being clean and flossing her teeth (she is not > > a hand washer) and her > > clothes cannot have ANY spots on them. The part in > > her hair has to be > > perfectly straight. How she organizes and if I try > > to help I can never " do it right " . > > At school is a whole other set of ideals for her. > > Her handwriting is very > > neat and precise, has to be perfect or she just > > starts over with a NEW piece of > > paper (erasing is not acceptable, makes it bad). She > > will do a problem over > > and over trying to get it perfect, we go through > > tons of paper. We just > > labeled her a perfectionist for the longest time > > while I tried to get her to be > > reasonable and accept less than perfect as OK. Her > > standards are rather > > unrealistic and are what prompts the episodes at > > school. UGH I should have seen it > > long ago. The good thing is, I know how her mind > > thinks since I have it, too, > > and hopefully we can get through this together. I > > will let you know what the > > Dr says. What can I expect? Will there be more than > > one appointment required > > to make a diagnosis and formulate a treatment plan? > > Well, nice to " meet " you > > all. > > > > ~~Lori > > > > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak > > kindly. Leave the rest to > > God. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's > > new at http://www.aol.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > > feature may be accessed at: > > > / > > . > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , > > Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, > > Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, > > M.D. > > > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html > > ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > > Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy > > . Subscription issues or suggestions may be > > addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at > > louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , > > louisharkins@... . > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 I disagree. I have read in my various OCD books that everyone has weird thoughts now and then and it's completely normal. When they stick and are intrusive is when it crosses over into OCD. Dina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 When I think these things, they are nowhere near suicidal, and it's not when I'm feeling down/depressed. It's more of a " what would happen if... " kind of thing. Of course, I know the answer about what would happen, and I have and never will actually act on these thoughts. I don't avoid balconies, bridges or highways because of it...and it's not a phobia-based thing either. I do have a phobia about climbing ladders and open staircases with no handrail, and so I have a really tough time getting down from them without almost crawling. I have never, ever had a though about throwing myself down them. > > > > Hi. I am Lori from Indiana, USA. I have a 9 year > > > > old daughter with (I am > > > > pretty sure) OCD. Her initial eval is today after > > > > school. She has been having > > > > trouble at school for quite some time and it took me > > > > a couple years to > > > > recognize the OCD issues. I don't know why, I have > > > > OCD, too. It is mild. I took > > > > medications awhile but I have bad reactions to all > > > > SSRI's so I deal with my > > > > problems without meds. I have also dealt with > > > > depression, but no longer suffer from > > > > that. I have learned how to live with my OCD and it > > > > is just part of who I > > > > am. It is a daily struggle I am used to I guess. > > > > > > > > My daughter, however, seems to have it worse. I > > > > don't know if 9 is young to > > > > be diagnosed with it or not. I am not even sure that > > > > will be her diagnosis > > > > but if it is not OCD I do not know what it is. She > > > > has episodes at school where > > > > she loses control and " shuts down " and these > > > > problems have prompted many a > > > > meeting and phone call with the > > > > principal/teacher/counselor, etc. I guess I > > > > thought she would grow out of it and I somehow > > > > ignored some obvious signs, like > > > > her compulsive cleaning, changing clothes several > > > > times a day, preoccupation > > > > with being clean and flossing her teeth (she is not > > > > a hand washer) and her > > > > clothes cannot have ANY spots on them. The part in > > > > her hair has to be > > > > perfectly straight. How she organizes and if I try > > > > to help I can never " do it right " . > > > > At school is a whole other set of ideals for her. > > > > Her handwriting is very > > > > neat and precise, has to be perfect or she just > > > > starts over with a NEW piece of > > > > paper (erasing is not acceptable, makes it bad). She > > > > will do a problem over > > > > and over trying to get it perfect, we go through > > > > tons of paper. We just > > > > labeled her a perfectionist for the longest time > > > > while I tried to get her to be > > > > reasonable and accept less than perfect as OK. Her > > > > standards are rather > > > > unrealistic and are what prompts the episodes at > > > > school. UGH I should have seen it > > > > long ago. The good thing is, I know how her mind > > > > thinks since I have it, too, > > > > and hopefully we can get through this together. I > > > > will let you know what the > > > > Dr says. What can I expect? Will there be more than > > > > one appointment required > > > > to make a diagnosis and formulate a treatment plan? > > > > Well, nice to " meet " you > > > > all. > > > > > > > > ~~Lori > > > > > > > > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak > > > > kindly. Leave the rest to > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's > > > > new at http://www.aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > > > > feature may be accessed at: > > > > > > > / > > > > . > > > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , > > > > Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, > > > > Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, > > > > M.D. > > > > > > > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html > > > > ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > > > > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > > > > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > > > > Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy > > > > . Subscription issues or suggestions may be > > > > addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at > > > > louisharkins@ , louisharkins@ , > > > > louisharkins@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 When I think these things, they are nowhere near suicidal, and it's not when I'm feeling down/depressed. It's more of a " what would happen if... " kind of thing. Of course, I know the answer about what would happen, and I have and never will actually act on these thoughts. I don't avoid balconies, bridges or highways because of it...and it's not a phobia-based thing either. I do have a phobia about climbing ladders and open staircases with no handrail, and so I have a really tough time getting down from them without almost crawling. I have never, ever had a though about throwing myself down them. > > > > Hi. I am Lori from Indiana, USA. I have a 9 year > > > > old daughter with (I am > > > > pretty sure) OCD. Her initial eval is today after > > > > school. She has been having > > > > trouble at school for quite some time and it took me > > > > a couple years to > > > > recognize the OCD issues. I don't know why, I have > > > > OCD, too. It is mild. I took > > > > medications awhile but I have bad reactions to all > > > > SSRI's so I deal with my > > > > problems without meds. I have also dealt with > > > > depression, but no longer suffer from > > > > that. I have learned how to live with my OCD and it > > > > is just part of who I > > > > am. It is a daily struggle I am used to I guess. > > > > > > > > My daughter, however, seems to have it worse. I > > > > don't know if 9 is young to > > > > be diagnosed with it or not. I am not even sure that > > > > will be her diagnosis > > > > but if it is not OCD I do not know what it is. She > > > > has episodes at school where > > > > she loses control and " shuts down " and these > > > > problems have prompted many a > > > > meeting and phone call with the > > > > principal/teacher/counselor, etc. I guess I > > > > thought she would grow out of it and I somehow > > > > ignored some obvious signs, like > > > > her compulsive cleaning, changing clothes several > > > > times a day, preoccupation > > > > with being clean and flossing her teeth (she is not > > > > a hand washer) and her > > > > clothes cannot have ANY spots on them. The part in > > > > her hair has to be > > > > perfectly straight. How she organizes and if I try > > > > to help I can never " do it right " . > > > > At school is a whole other set of ideals for her. > > > > Her handwriting is very > > > > neat and precise, has to be perfect or she just > > > > starts over with a NEW piece of > > > > paper (erasing is not acceptable, makes it bad). She > > > > will do a problem over > > > > and over trying to get it perfect, we go through > > > > tons of paper. We just > > > > labeled her a perfectionist for the longest time > > > > while I tried to get her to be > > > > reasonable and accept less than perfect as OK. Her > > > > standards are rather > > > > unrealistic and are what prompts the episodes at > > > > school. UGH I should have seen it > > > > long ago. The good thing is, I know how her mind > > > > thinks since I have it, too, > > > > and hopefully we can get through this together. I > > > > will let you know what the > > > > Dr says. What can I expect? Will there be more than > > > > one appointment required > > > > to make a diagnosis and formulate a treatment plan? > > > > Well, nice to " meet " you > > > > all. > > > > > > > > ~~Lori > > > > > > > > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak > > > > kindly. Leave the rest to > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's > > > > new at http://www.aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > > > > feature may be accessed at: > > > > > > > / > > > > . > > > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , > > > > Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, > > > > Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, > > > > M.D. > > > > > > > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html > > > > ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > > > > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > > > > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > > > > Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy > > > > . Subscription issues or suggestions may be > > > > addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at > > > > louisharkins@ , louisharkins@ , > > > > louisharkins@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 This is similar to what I have. I do get avoidant when I'm really bad. Last spring was bad for me. So far so good this fall! Laurie J <mishi8@...> wrote: When I think these things, they are nowhere near suicidal, and it's not when I'm feeling down/depressed. It's more of a " what would happen if... " kind of thing. Of course, I know the answer about what would happen, and I have and never will actually act on these thoughts. I don't avoid balconies, bridges or highways because of it...and it's not a phobia-based thing either. I do have a phobia about climbing ladders and open staircases with no handrail, and so I have a really tough time getting down from them without almost crawling. I have never, ever had a though about throwing myself down them. > > > > Hi. I am Lori from Indiana, USA. I have a 9 year > > > > old daughter with (I am > > > > pretty sure) OCD. Her initial eval is today after > > > > school. She has been having > > > > trouble at school for quite some time and it took me > > > > a couple years to > > > > recognize the OCD issues. I don't know why, I have > > > > OCD, too. It is mild. I took > > > > medications awhile but I have bad reactions to all > > > > SSRI's so I deal with my > > > > problems without meds. I have also dealt with > > > > depression, but no longer suffer from > > > > that. I have learned how to live with my OCD and it > > > > is just part of who I > > > > am. It is a daily struggle I am used to I guess. > > > > > > > > My daughter, however, seems to have it worse. I > > > > don't know if 9 is young to > > > > be diagnosed with it or not. I am not even sure that > > > > will be her diagnosis > > > > but if it is not OCD I do not know what it is. She > > > > has episodes at school where > > > > she loses control and " shuts down " and these > > > > problems have prompted many a > > > > meeting and phone call with the > > > > principal/teacher/counselor, etc. I guess I > > > > thought she would grow out of it and I somehow > > > > ignored some obvious signs, like > > > > her compulsive cleaning, changing clothes several > > > > times a day, preoccupation > > > > with being clean and flossing her teeth (she is not > > > > a hand washer) and her > > > > clothes cannot have ANY spots on them. The part in > > > > her hair has to be > > > > perfectly straight. How she organizes and if I try > > > > to help I can never " do it right " . > > > > At school is a whole other set of ideals for her. > > > > Her handwriting is very > > > > neat and precise, has to be perfect or she just > > > > starts over with a NEW piece of > > > > paper (erasing is not acceptable, makes it bad). She > > > > will do a problem over > > > > and over trying to get it perfect, we go through > > > > tons of paper. We just > > > > labeled her a perfectionist for the longest time > > > > while I tried to get her to be > > > > reasonable and accept less than perfect as OK. Her > > > > standards are rather > > > > unrealistic and are what prompts the episodes at > > > > school. UGH I should have seen it > > > > long ago. The good thing is, I know how her mind > > > > thinks since I have it, too, > > > > and hopefully we can get through this together. I > > > > will let you know what the > > > > Dr says. What can I expect? Will there be more than > > > > one appointment required > > > > to make a diagnosis and formulate a treatment plan? > > > > Well, nice to " meet " you > > > > all. > > > > > > > > ~~Lori > > > > > > > > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak > > > > kindly. Leave the rest to > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's > > > > new at http://www.aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > > > > feature may be accessed at: > > > > > > > / > > > > . > > > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , > > > > Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, > > > > Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, > > > > M.D. > > > > > > > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html > > > > ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > > > > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > > > > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > > > > Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy > > > > . Subscription issues or suggestions may be > > > > addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at > > > > louisharkins@ , louisharkins@ , > > > > louisharkins@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 I have the same problem....getting stressed about everything i have waiting for me to do. I'm not sure that's OCD, though. I think that might just be normal! Laurie poetry4me75@... wrote: In a message dated 9/26/2007 10:25:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, imogeneyassi@... writes: I have the balcony thing, the driving off the road thing and more.? I DON'T have OCD.? These thoughts can come with depression.? They are not normal. Are you SURE they are not normal? I bet if we started asking around we would be surprised. I mean, until this thread, I NEVER mentioned it to ANYone. Never related it to OCD either, just thought I was losing my mind. Now that I think about it, most my problems really are OCD related. I won't even tell you about the 3rd grade field trip I took today with my daughter (the one who hasn't been diagnosed yet...BTW I made the appt for a week from today). Doing things away from home stresses me out so bad because I start thinking of all the stuff I HAVE to do at home (now, what is necessary to me is not necessarily necessary to others) and all I can think of is getting home. I do this every time I am away...grocery shopping (which is something I have to do, too) and church, school events, etc. If I have several things to do at home, I will start one, start another, start another, and take turns going back to them all and finishing them. They ALL get done tho (recall I am one of those that has to finish EVERYTHING even if it is pointless). NOW I know why I am such a homebody! I think part of beating OCD is accepting it IS part of who you are and even making fun of yourself at times. For everything there is a season....crying about OCD, laughing about it, going with it, fighting it...it is just ME. Oh well. My husband loves me so who cares about anyone else? LOL As for being a finisher, I am currently reading a book I cannot stand because I started it. UGH. ~~Lori Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 Mine get a little more intense. I know I don't want to do them, but I stop knowing that I won't. Same with my daughter. It's why this is called the doubting disease. I also know what you mean about SEEING the results of what you are thinking might happen. My daughter sees herself killing herself with a knife. I've had a lot of that, especially worrying about my daughter, envisioning myself having to revive her, or deal with her death. Even though I'm doing great right now, that was hard to write! Once that vision is in my head, I have to fight back tears and thoughts about wondering how I would go on. That is when I REALLY hate this disease. Laurie poetry4me75@... wrote: In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:07:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wallflower67@... writes: I guess the question is, do you want to do these things? Are they brief, suicidal thoughts? Like, " I might as well throw myself off this balcony. " Or are they thoughts that you desparately do NOT want to do? For me it is like I realize I have the power to do it and ask myself, WOULD I? and my answer is always no, but I still vision them in my mind. I guess if I ever consider doing them it is to satisfy the vision, which I have never done. Not all of them are fatal images, like driving off a bridge, some are small things, like breaking plates or something. Haven't had that in awhile. I also have these thoughts happen when I see other people in dangerous positions, and because of that I tend to be over-cautious about certain things. Usually it is just my kids. My oldest boy was helping us roof last summer and I just could not handle it. My nerves just fall apart and I am almost sick worrying if he will fall off or something. Some of these thoughts are reasonable, some are not I guess. I don't have them that often. But I just SEE my son falling off, I picture him laying lifeless on the ground, me screaming, trying to revive him, trying to cope with the fact he is dead. The scenarios get further and further if I let them. Sometimes I make them stop doing...whatever...because I cannot reason with myself that it is OK. ~~Lori Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2007 Laurie, its the progesterone in the birth control pills that make us depressed.? Estrogen, alone, isn't as bad. Re: New My OCD is pretty hormone sensetive. It does get a bit worse when I'm PMSing. Last month was worse. And if something bad is going on in my life as well as PMS, then I can have problems. The worst thing for me, though, is birth control pills and pregnancy. After few months on BCPs I get so deprssed and my intrusive thoughts increase dramatically. Last time, I used the Nuva Ring, because it has less hormones than the pills. I was okay for about a year. Enough time that when I started going off the deep end, I didn't think about taking it out. Within 6 weeks of removing it, I felt so much better. Pregnancy was the same way. I was so depressed all the way through, even though I'd tried for years to get pregnant. And then I had post-partem psychosis. I never had any more kids, though I've wanted to. (my dh came with 3 kids, so at least I get his) I have endometriosis, so I will eventually have to go back on something. I " m going to try to wait until next summer. This winter might work if I need to. I have bipolar too, so spring and fall are bad for me. Laurie Boothe <cricketdo@...> wrote: Yes, I think everyone has quick thoughts and such...like the others have mentioned. But, if it is an OCD thing...it is a bit more intense--like, I start crying, and have to shake my head telling myself not to do it. And, then it puts me in a funk for the rest of the day. And, like you, the intensity correlates to my OCD cycle. Hey, just curious---besides personal life, my OCD gets out of control in relation to my hormones. Does that happen to anyone else? My doc had mentioned putting me on something during part of my cycle...'cos my OCD gets really flaring. But, I don't like the meds...and, I think it's just " me " . Plus, my house gets really clean and organized during that time! LOL (although, my hubby gets mad because I clear out lots of stuff and pile it all in the garage). And, I get WAY ahead with my workload at my job. --- wallflower wrote: > I have the driving off the road thing too! IT > doesn't happen unless my OCD is really bad. But > scary when it does! I was driving up to Minnesota > (from Nebraska) by myself when I was having a > particularly bad flare up and had to pull into a gas > station several times. > > Laurie > > Boothe wrote: > So, with harming myself....it happens when I am > driving. If I am on an overpass/bridge...I think of > driving off of it. I would never do it, but it is a > fleeting thought everytime I am on one...or a curve > that has a steep edge. And, only when I am alone, > never with my daughters in my car. I don't have a > fear of hurting others. I don't know if DD has > that....haven't asked her. I do know she tells me > she > wishes she was dead....which upsets me. > > > > > --- wallflower wrote: > > > No, 9 is not too young to be diagnosed. I have > OCD, > > and was pretty bad at age 9. > > > > Don't feel bad about missing it in your daughter. > > I didn't realize how bad hers was until she was > > almost 12. (a year ago). > > > > She and I both have fears that we may harm > > ourselves or others, and therefore avoid " scary " > > things. My daughter's fears are of knives. Mine > > (don't laugh!) are of coffee cups. > > > > Last year, my daughter reported that she'd been > > having fears of hurting herself since she was 7! > > All I could see on the outside was her little > > quirks. Until last year, she was just diagnosed > > with ADHD. > > > > My daughter went through a bunch of psych testing > > to get diagnosed with ADHD, but her OCD was > > diagnosed based on symptoms. > > > > Sorry you have to be here, but nice to meet you! > > > > Laurie > > > > poetry4me75@... wrote: > > Hi. I am Lori from Indiana, USA. I have a 9 year > > old daughter with (I am > > pretty sure) OCD. Her initial eval is today after > > school. She has been having > > trouble at school for quite some time and it took > me > > a couple years to > > recognize the OCD issues. I don't know why, I have > > OCD, too. It is mild. I took > > medications awhile but I have bad reactions to all > > SSRI's so I deal with my > > problems without meds. I have also dealt with > > depression, but no longer suffer from > > that. I have learned how to live with my OCD and > it > > is just part of who I > > am. It is a daily struggle I am used to I guess. > > > > My daughter, however, seems to have it worse. I > > don't know if 9 is young to > > be diagnosed with it or not. I am not even sure > that > > will be her diagnosis > > but if it is not OCD I do not know what it is. She > > has episodes at school where > > she loses control and " shuts down " and these > > problems have prompted many a > > meeting and phone call with the > > principal/teacher/counselor, etc. I guess I > > thought she would grow out of it and I somehow > > ignored some obvious signs, like > > her compulsive cleaning, changing clothes several > > times a day, preoccupation > > with being clean and flossing her teeth (she is > not > > a hand washer) and her > > clothes cannot have ANY spots on them. The part in > > her hair has to be > > perfectly straight. How she organizes and if I try > > to help I can never " do it right " . > > At school is a whole other set of ideals for her. > > Her handwriting is very > > neat and precise, has to be perfect or she just > > starts over with a NEW piece of > > paper (erasing is not acceptable, makes it bad). > She > > will do a problem over > > and over trying to get it perfect, we go through > > tons of paper. We just > > labeled her a perfectionist for the longest time > > while I tried to get her to be > > reasonable and accept less than perfect as OK. Her > > standards are rather > > unrealistic and are what prompts the episodes at > > school. UGH I should have seen it > > long ago. The good thing is, I know how her mind > > thinks since I have it, too, > > and hopefully we can get through this together. I > > will let you know what the > > Dr says. What can I expect? Will there be more > than > > one appointment required > > to make a diagnosis and formulate a treatment > plan? > > Well, nice to " meet " you > > all. > > > > ~~Lori > > > > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak > > kindly. Leave the rest to > > God. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's > > new at http://www.aol.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > > feature may be accessed at: > > > / > > . > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , > > Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar > Chansky, > > Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, > > M.D. > > > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html > > ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > > Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy > > . 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 yes, Lori, I am SURE they are not normal thoughts.? My psychiatrist, Dr. Deborah Sichel, told me that.? She even went on Oprah and said that.? She was discussing her book, Women's Moods, which was why she was on Oprah.? Check out the book.? Its about the intersection between women's hormone cycles & mood/anxiety disorders. I ONLY get those thoughts when I am clinically depressed (I suffer from a mild form of BP).? I also get a vomit phobia & other weird thoughts during a depression too.? When I have a normal mood, these thoughts totally disappear, & I think of more interesting things, like what's in the news or watching a movie, etc. When I do get these thoughts I am able to tell myself they are just due to my depression, do not act on them, and let them pass through.? Thus, I don't have OCD.? I did, however, have post-partum OCD, with the horrible thoughts that I would stab my newborn son.? I KNEW I would never do it, but I kept thinking the thoughts over & over for months, till they went away on their own. Re: Re: New In a message dated 9/26/2007 10:25:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, imogeneyassi@... writes: I have the balcony thing, the driving off the road thing and more.? I DON'T have OCD.? These thoughts can come with depression.? They are not normal. Are you SURE they are not normal? I bet if we started asking around we would be surprised. I mean, until this thread, I NEVER mentioned it to ANYone. Never related it to OCD either, just thought I was losing my mind. Now that I think about it, most my problems really are OCD related. I won't even tell you about the 3rd grade field trip I took today with my daughter (the one who hasn't been diagnosed yet...BTW I made the appt for a week from today). Doing things away from home stresses me out so bad because I start thinking of all the stuff I HAVE to do at home (now, what is necessary to me is not necessarily necessary to others) and all I can think of is getting home. I do this every time I am away...grocery shopping (which is something I have to do, too) and church, school events, etc. If I have several things to do at home, I will start one, start another, start another, and take turns going back to them all and finishing them. They ALL get done tho (recall I am one of those that has to finish EVERYTHING even if it is pointless). NOW I know why I am such a homebody! I think part of beating OCD is accepting it IS part of who you are and even making fun of yourself at times. For everything there is a season....crying about OCD, laughing about it, going with it, fighting it...it is just ME. Oh well. My husband loves me so who cares about anyone else? LOL As for being a finisher, I am currently reading a book I cannot stand because I started it. UGH. ~~Lori Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 I've broken plates, too, but once again, I was in a post-partum depression at the time, my mood had fallen into the toilet, & i was stressed to the gills with a bankruptcy & two kids under 3.? When we are feeling well, calm & stable, we don't break plates, or at least I hope so like breaking plates or something Re: Re: New In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:07:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wallflower67@... writes: I guess the question is, do you want to do these things? Are they brief, suicidal thoughts? Like, " I might as well throw myself off this balcony. " Or are they thoughts that you desparately do NOT want to do? For me it is like I realize I have the power to do it and ask myself, WOULD I? and my answer is always no, but I still vision them in my mind. I guess if I ever consider doing them it is to satisfy the vision, which I have never done. Not all of them are fatal images, like driving off a bridge, some are small things, like breaking plates or something. Haven't had that in awhile. I also have these thoughts happen when I see other people in dangerous positions, and because of that I tend to be over-cautious about certain things. Usually it is just my kids. My oldest boy was helping us roof last summer and I just could not handle it. My nerves just fall apart and I am almost sick worrying if he will fall off or something. Some of these thoughts are reasonable, some are not I guess. I don't have them that often. But I just SEE my son falling off, I picture him laying lifeless on the ground, me screaming, trying to revive him, trying to cope with the fact he is dead. The scenarios get further and further if I let them. Sometimes I make them stop doing...whatever...because I cannot reason with myself that it is OK. ~~Lori Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 Maybe that's the difference between OCD thoughts & depression thoughts.? With my depression thoughts I NEVER stop knowing that I won't carry them out.? They are always just a thought, never a COMPELLING action. Re: Re: New Mine get a little more intense. I know I don't want to do them, but I stop knowing that I won't. Same with my daughter. It's why this is called the doubting disease. I also know what you mean about SEEING the results of what you are thinking might happen. My daughter sees herself killing herself with a knife. I've had a lot of that, especially worrying about my daughter, envisioning myself having to revive her, or deal with her death. Even though I'm doing great right now, that was hard to write! Once that vision is in my head, I have to fight back tears and thoughts about wondering how I would go on. That is when I REALLY hate this disease. Laurie poetry4me75@... wrote: In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:07:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wallflower67@... writes: I guess the question is, do you want to do these things? Are they brief, suicidal thoughts? Like, " I might as well throw myself off this balcony. " Or are they thoughts that you desparately do NOT want to do? For me it is like I realize I have the power to do it and ask myself, WOULD I? and my answer is always no, but I still vision them in my mind. I guess if I ever consider doing them it is to satisfy the vision, which I have never done. Not all of them are fatal images, like driving off a bridge, some are small things, like breaking plates or something. Haven't had that in awhile. I also have these thoughts happen when I see other people in dangerous positions, and because of that I tend to be over-cautious about certain things. Usually it is just my kids. My oldest boy was helping us roof last summer and I just could not handle it. My nerves just fall apart and I am almost sick worrying if he will fall off or something. Some of these thoughts are reasonable, some are not I guess. I don't have them that often. But I just SEE my son falling off, I picture him laying lifeless on the ground, me screaming, trying to revive him, trying to cope with the fact he is dead. The scenarios get further and further if I let them. Sometimes I make them stop doing...whatever...because I cannot reason with myself that it is OK. ~~Lori Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 I was reading about OCD and Anxiety and blood sugar. There are a lot of studies that show it is related! Really interesting. Also, the hormone thing is so true. I have PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome) and MANY women who suffer from that have either OCD or Anxiety problems. I think that is homone/blood sugar related also. Now I am so worried because I took hormones when I was pregnant with my boys to prevent miscarriage and hope it didn't make things worse for them. Birth control pills does the same for me by the way- makes me so angry, depressed. Pregnancy didn't though, actually makes me feel wonderful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 In a message dated 9/27/2007 8:51:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sshell@... writes: I have PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome) and MANY women who suffer from that have either OCD or Anxiety problems. I am going to fall over. I have PCOS, specifically insulin resistance. I have blood sugar issues (sort of like reactive hypoglycemia). And OCD, and anxiety in the past. Also depression (past). I have worried that my daughter would grow up to have it as well. I had no trouble with my pregnancies until my late 20's, then I had one miscarriage after another and have never been able to have kids with my husband (second marriage). I was on metformin for a long time but my metabolism does not handle many drugs very well. I cannot take BCP's long term, I cannot take any kind of narcotic (Tylenol 3, vicodin or IV drugs), SSRI's, most cold medicines, cannot drink alcohol, etc. I went off the MET an seem to be OK at least for now (my cycles, and blood sugar). This is one reason I am so afraid of giving my daughter SSRI's or any other med they may recommend. I just know what these things do to me.... ~~Lori Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 I wonder if there is also a link between endometriosis and OCD? My dh claims he can tell when people are pg by their " glow " . I told him he would never have noticed that about me when I was pg with my dd (his step-daughter)! I never glowed. I looked like hell the whole time. Laurie solococomama <sshell@...> wrote: I was reading about OCD and Anxiety and blood sugar. There are a lot of studies that show it is related! Really interesting. Also, the hormone thing is so true. I have PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome) and MANY women who suffer from that have either OCD or Anxiety problems. I think that is homone/blood sugar related also. Now I am so worried because I took hormones when I was pregnant with my boys to prevent miscarriage and hope it didn't make things worse for them. Birth control pills does the same for me by the way- makes me so angry, depressed. Pregnancy didn't though, actually makes me feel wonderful. Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: / . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D. (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 Don't know. I have endo and OCD....but, no clue on a link. --- wallflower <wallflower67@...> wrote: > I wonder if there is also a link between > endometriosis and OCD? My dh claims he can tell > when people are pg by their " glow " . I told him he > would never have noticed that about me when I was pg > with my dd (his step-daughter)! I never glowed. I > looked like hell the whole time. > > Laurie > > solococomama <sshell@...> wrote: > I was reading about OCD and Anxiety and blood > sugar. There are a lot of studies that show it > is related! Really interesting. Also, the hormone > thing is so true. I have PCOS (Polycystic > Ovarian Syndrome) and MANY women who suffer from > that have either OCD or Anxiety > problems. I think that is homone/blood sugar related > also. Now I am so worried because I > took hormones when I was pregnant with my boys to > prevent miscarriage and hope it didn't > make things worse for them. Birth control pills does > the same for me by the way- makes me > so angry, depressed. Pregnancy didn't though, > actually makes me feel wonderful. > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > feature may be accessed at: > / > . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , > Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, > Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, > M.D. > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html > ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy > . Subscription issues or suggestions may be > addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at > louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , > louisharkins@... . > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2007 Don't know. I have endo and OCD....but, no clue on a link. --- wallflower <wallflower67@...> wrote: > I wonder if there is also a link between > endometriosis and OCD? My dh claims he can tell > when people are pg by their " glow " . I told him he > would never have noticed that about me when I was pg > with my dd (his step-daughter)! I never glowed. I > looked like hell the whole time. > > Laurie > > solococomama <sshell@...> wrote: > I was reading about OCD and Anxiety and blood > sugar. There are a lot of studies that show it > is related! Really interesting. Also, the hormone > thing is so true. I have PCOS (Polycystic > Ovarian Syndrome) and MANY women who suffer from > that have either OCD or Anxiety > problems. I think that is homone/blood sugar related > also. Now I am so worried because I > took hormones when I was pregnant with my boys to > prevent miscarriage and hope it didn't > make things worse for them. Birth control pills does > the same for me by the way- makes me > so angry, depressed. Pregnancy didn't though, > actually makes me feel wonderful. > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > feature may be accessed at: > / > . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , > Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, > Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, > M.D. > (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html > ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy > . Subscription issues or suggestions may be > addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at > louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , > louisharkins@... . > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2008 In message <47940B6B.000003.02596@HANNI> you wrote: > I am New to the Group and new to using kombucha.. Grüss Gott, Hanni! Here's an 'old' German writing to a 'new' German ;-) It is fantastic that you have discovered the marvellous Kombucha.. ist ja fantastisch, dass du den grossartigen Kombucha Teepilz entdeckt hast! I had my first Kombucha culture baby from my auntie in Germany. That was over 20 years ago and I have been brewing ever since. > can I use any black or green tea? You can use either or both together. I mix green and black for my brews, usually 3 parts green and one part black, but you can do it however you want. Here is my recipe which works very well: 1 litre water - 2 teabags/teaspoons of tea (you can use more) - 100g sugar If you have a larger vessel you could make 4 litres/1 gallon with 4 litres water - 8-10 teabags - 400g sugar. If you don't have scales to measure in grams, here are cup measures: 1 cup ........ 220g 1/2 cup ........ 120g 1/3 cup ........ 75g 1/4 cup ........ 55g There is no need to boil all the water. I add sugar and tea and boiling water together in a 2 litre measuring jug. STir well until sugar is dissolved. Top up to required amount by adding cold water (filtered or previously boiled). It is very important that the sweet tea has cooled before you add it to your Kombucha culture. Then you can strain the whole thing over the culture (solid and liquid) ... the tea leaves are being left behind in the strainer. Cover with thick cloth, filter paper or several layers of kitchen towelling and secure with very strong rubber band. (You don't want fruit flies sneeking in!!) Put in quite place and do not disturb at all for about 7 days. Then you are allowed to look. When you get there, tell us what you find! Have fun. And remember, you can ask your questions any time and share your experiences. Blessings, Margret :-) who lives in the UK (England) -- +------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+ <)))<>< http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk <)))<>< http://www.AnswersInGenesis.com +----------------- http://www.Gotquestions.org ------------------+ 'I have come into the world as light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness'(says Jesus in 12:46) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2008 Hallo Margret danke fuer all deine Info Thank you very much for all the Info.. I hope I will get my Kombucha ON Monday .. I found the Person on a other group I never hat heard anything about a Mushroom kombucha not when I in Germany all them years or over here in Texas or Oklahoma Do I have to buy and special Tea or can I use the Tea I get from the grocery store thank you Hanni -- Re: New In message <47940B6B.000003.02596@HANNI> you wrote: > I am New to the Group and New to using kombucha.. Grüss Gott, Hanni! Here's an 'old' German writing to a 'New German ;-) It is fantastic that you have discovered the marvellous Kombucha.. ist ja fantastisch, dass du den grossartigen Kombucha Teepilz entdeckt hast! I had my First Kombucha culture Baby from my auntie in Germany. That was over 20 years ago and I have been brewing ever since. > can I use any Black or green Tea? You can use either or both together. I Mix green and Black for my brews, usually 3 Parts green and one Part Black, but you can do it however you want. Here is my recipe which Works very well: 1 litre water - 2 teabags/teaspoons of Tea (you can use more) - 100g sugar If you have a larger vessel you could make 4 litres/1 gallon with 4 litres water - 8-10 teabags - 400g sugar. If you don't have scales to measure in Grams, here Are Cup measures: 1 Cup ........ 220g 1/2 Cup ........ 120g 1/3 Cup ........ 75g 1/4 Cup ........ 55g There is No need to boil all the water. I add sugar and Tea and boiling water together in a 2 litre measuring jug. STir well until sugar is dissolved. Top up to required amount by adding cold water (filtered or previously boiled). It is very important that the sweet Tea has cooled before you add it to your Kombucha culture. Then you can strain the whole thing over the culture (solid and liquid) ... the Tea leaves Are being left behind in the strainer. Cover with thick cloth, Filter Paper or several layers of kitchen towelling and secure with very strong rubber band. (You don't want fruit flies sneeking in!!) Put in quite place and do not disturb at all for about 7 days. Then you Are allowed to Look. When you get there, tell US what you find! Have fun. And remember, you can ask your questions any time and share your experiences. Blessings, Margret :-) who lives in the UK (England) -- +------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+ <)))<>< http://WWW.therpc.f9.Co.UK <)))<>< http://WWW.AnswersInGenesis.Com +----------------- http://WWW.Gotquestions.org ------------------+ 'I have Come into the world As Light, so that No one who believes in me should stay in darkness'(says Jesus in 12:46) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2008 Hello Hanni, I moved to Texas from Germany 9 years ago and I just started with this exciting kombucha " experiment " . I got my scoby 9 days ago and can't wait for it to be ready! It still tastes very sweet but I guess with the low temperature here it just takes longer. It almost feels like a german winter ;-) Happy brewing! Regine On Jan 20, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Hanni2 wrote: > hello all > I am New to the Group and new to using kombucha.. I hope I will get > some of > the kombucha tomorrow night.. I learn about kombucha from my > friends in > Germany and I am German but live now in the USA > Hanni > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2008 Greetings, and welcome. Don't expect any German, I've found out that " Babelfish " produces absolutely rubbish translations. As regards the tea to use.>>>-----------> It seems as though you can use any tea which you would normally use to brew and drink. We all (or most) seem to use, and have favourites, I'm currently drinking one made from " Chai " . The only stipulation seems to be you must have *<some>* real tea.For instance you can use Rooibos (Not really tea) but need to have some Chinese/Indian Tea i.e. Camellia Sinensis in the brew, proportions vary. Just to give you a laugh, (And you Minstrel) this is what " Babel fish " made of it when I asked for the German. (How close was it Margret?) ..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-- Grüße und Willkommen. Erwarten Sie nicht irgendwie Deutsches, ich haben herausgefunden, daß " Babelfish " absolut Abfallübersetzungen produziert. Was den zu verwenden Tee betrifft. >>>-----------> Er scheint, als wenn Sie jeden möglichen Tee benutzen können, den Sie normalerweise pflegen würden zu brauen und zu trinken. Alle wir (oder die meisten) scheinen zu verwenden und haben Lieblinge, ich trinken z.Z. ein bildeten von " Chai " . Die einzige Bedingung scheint, Sie zu sein muß *einige * realen tea. For Fall, den Sie Rooibos (nicht wirklich Tee) verwenden können aber irgendein Chinese/Indian Tee-d.h. Kamelie Sinensis in brauen haben zu müssen, Anteile haben sich verändern. , Ihnen ein Lachen gerade zu geben, (und Ihnen Minnesänger) ist dieses, was " Babel Fische " von ihm bildeten, als ich um den Deutschen bat N. England. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2008 , I love Chai. What are your proportions and do you think it tastes better than your average black/green KT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2008 >, I love Chai. What are your proportions and do you think it tastes better >than your average black/green KT? I have to admit that, in spite of 10 years in a variety of laboratories in an earlier incarnation (before I was either a Fireman 23Y or a jeweller 13y), I still use a lot of " Kitchen chemistry " where KT is concerned. The Gurus reckon that, so long as there is SOME C sinensis you're O.K. On the strength of that + the fact that the Chai i use is " Twinings " Indian tea with the following:- Ginger root 10% Cinnamon bark 10% and " Natural flavourings " which it fails to disclose. It seems to come out quite nicely :-)) I guesstimate a pint is 2 cups and use 1 T bag per cup for the requisite No of pints and about 150g (ish) of common or garden white sugar and, of course, the starter and Senor SCOBY. N. England. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2008 >, I love Chai. What are your proportions and do you think it tastes better >than your average black/green KT? I have to admit that, in spite of 10 years in a variety of laboratories in an earlier incarnation (before I was either a Fireman 23Y or a jeweller 13y), I still use a lot of " Kitchen chemistry " where KT is concerned. The Gurus reckon that, so long as there is SOME C sinensis you're O.K. On the strength of that + the fact that the Chai i use is " Twinings " Indian tea with the following:- Ginger root 10% Cinnamon bark 10% and " Natural flavourings " which it fails to disclose. It seems to come out quite nicely :-)) I guesstimate a pint is 2 cups and use 1 T bag per cup for the requisite No of pints and about 150g (ish) of common or garden white sugar and, of course, the starter and Senor SCOBY. N. England. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
