Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Because first of at they are my parents and siblings and I am free to make that statement. Second of all my brother is the most spoiled brat I know. He gets whatever he wants, when he wants. He plays video games all day at least eight hours and no I'm not kidding. I has there for the holidays. He in 11 years old and has the school ability of a 2nd grader. She dpoesn't push him because he doesn't like school, so therefore he feels he shouldn't have to do it. So he doesn't, and she doesn't make him. How is that going to help him in the future? Social they have had no experience with anyone outside our family. No friends but cousins. My sister does not know how to relate with others nor does my brother and how is that going to help them? It won't. Second of all I've seen the difference between someone doing a good job homeschooling and one that does not a good job. My aunt does it a great way. She has the morning as school time. And then the rest of the day is the kids' to do with what they would like. Provide that their chores are done. Just like any other school on field trip day there is no school work, or maybe to do something about what they like they best or why they should go again. That is preparing my couusins for the future to be able to structure yourself and be disciplined. Plus its getting you outside exposure to the " real " world and its rules. Yes children will find anything that they find to tease a child, but at least if people are going to homeschool, do it in away that they chidlren feel they are just as smart a child that goes to public/private school. There will always be competion between children why not also give them the grounds to equally compete with public/private schooled chidlren? --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > that is rather judgmental, carlena. how do you know > your step mom is doing the children a 'diservice' as > you put it? because you don't agree with the way > they > are taught, or even 'unschooled'? being teased or > not > has nothing to do with homeschooling. if they > weren't > homeschooled, they'd get teased at school for > something else. the children must gain > self-confidence, only that will stop them being > teased > or worse, bullied. > jmo > :-) > claudia > > --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> > wrote: > > That's true. For us homeschooling is not an > option. > > I > > am a sigle parent and around here. Either you go > > public, private otr you teach your own child. I > > have > > to work. Plus I am not discplinied enough to do > it. > > I > > have had freinds who are homeschool, didn't like > how > > they were teased. Just horrible from the > > nieghborhood > > kids. Plus my step mom does it with my brother and > > sister and she is doing them a diservice at the > way > > she is going about teaching them. Not consistent > or > > anything. Some do a really good job homeschooling > > and > > others do not. > > --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > > > sick when they first start going to school > > > > > > just because a child doesn't go to daycare > doesn' > > > tmean that htey are > > > isolated. Also, something to think about. MANY > > > parents that do not > > > vaccinate choose to homeschool for educational > > > purposes as well as for not > > > having to deal with the govt in which they live > > > telling them that their kids > > > can't go to school without them (which isn't the > > > case). > > > > > > My niece takes Evan to the office that I used to > > > work at, and when she > > > reminds them every time (which she shouldn't > have > > to > > > do) that Evan will > > > remain unvax'd, they give her a hard time, and > > never > > > even listen to what she > > > has to say. I worked for these people, I know > > that > > > they don't go scoping > > > for what is " different " in their world. I think > > > it's awesome that your docs > > > are willing to look in other directions that you > > > send them, and accept tha > > > tyou don't follow only mainstream medicine. > This > > is > > > not the case for most > > > conventional doctors. Again, My oldest son has > > had > > > so many physician > > > changes (because his dad's insurance has changed > > > every year since he was 2) > > > I can safely say MOST docs will not go out of > > their > > > way to find out about > > > vaccines. Partly because knowledge makes them > > > liable. > > > > > > When I first started investigating this, both of > > my > > > sons were fully vax'd > > > through the 5 year vax. I had a really hard > time > > > thumbing through the scare > > > tactics to the information. I think Sheri's > > > information on her site, is > > > about as straightforward as I've found without > > > simply trying to scare a > > > parent to death. > > > > > > best wishes in your search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: not all doctors are evil ........ Just mostly shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, brainwashed and generally a blot on the landscape!!!!! Joanna use of is subject to the Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 There's a lot of information out there linking a basically indoor lifestyle to poorer health. And the information about daycare being linked to an increase in health problems in children is so well documented it doesn't even really need to be elaborated on!!! I've never sent my kids to daycare, and so help me I never will... the best daycare in the world doesn't compare with being at home with a loving parent, or close family member. I understand that's not an option for some people, however, it doesn't negate the fact that daycare is not an ideal environment. Note I did not say 'bad', it is simply not ideal. Yea, yea, yea... there are abusive homes.... but daycare sure doesn't negate that. I'm sure there are kids stuck in daycare all day who then go home to an abusive home. Truth sucks sometimes!! I have lived in apartments... and man... that is one thing I hope to never have to go back to after having been in my own home. There are a lot of really nice apartments though, with park areas and nice community yards, etc. so obviously it's not impossible to spend a lot of time outdoors if you live in an apartment... but it's important that kids get out and run, and play, and have the ability to do so in a clean environment. Dense urban areas <where apartments are generally located> isn't necessarily 'clean and fresh', ya know?? It's also hard to do things like garden in an apartment complex... and I think all those sort of things... gardening, working/playing outdoors, getting 'back to nature' so to speak are very important for overall good health. We didn't evolve as sedentary indoor creatures... yet that's how most of us live! With all the information coming out about links between environmental toxins, and poor health, I think it's really important that we are all VERY well aware of how where we live effects our health. When we moved out of the city 2 years ago, we ALL went through a major detox. We got sick as our systems flushed the crud out, and then we've all been so much healthier ever since. It was amazing!! I know living in the country has it's own set of environmental toxins... it's hard to escape them in our day and age, but the 'pollution' out here is nothing compared to living in what was a relatively clean city. Just stuff to think about... Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: carlena seepgaither I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed to, the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with each child, and the genes that play a factor into what a child will come down too. So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a lifestyle that you don't live in. Carlena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Breastfeeding has an awful lot to do with it. If you doubt it, look at the information available. Even with the little that is really known about breastfeeding and it's benefits (it's not exactly a high dollar area of study), the information is amazing and dramatic. Sure a lot of other things play into whether kids get sick or not... a kid in daycare is generally going to be sick a heck of a lot more than a kid who is not. Odin would pick up a cold/minor bug generally a week or two after going to the doctors. I never put two and two together until I was looking back through a calendar I kept of his first year. I was so anal... I wrote down minor things like " He had the sniffles today " . The more I looked, the more I realized most of those minor things came after a visit to the doctor. They had a separate waiting area too. But come on... you take a kid into a place where there is a concentration of sick kids and what do you expect to happen? It's not a matter of thinking doctors are evil, it's a matter of realizing that their method of treatment, on the whole, is counterproductive to health. Look at 'well baby' visits. Why does a well child need to visit a doctor? It used to be doctors were seen when a person was sick. Now we see doctors just for the heck of it when kids are well too?? And for what? So they can weight them, chart them, inject them with vaccines and on the whole do very little that promotes real wellness. Great. This is supposed to promote good feelings towards doctors? We spent more time in waiting rooms than with the doctor. Like they are going to catch something that I, as a mother, who spends every day with my kids is going to miss. I also don't adhere to the western way of treatment. Pumping kids full of prescription meds, antibiotics, etc. just doesn't sit well with me. Why take a child to a doctor when you know you're not going to agree with the course of treatment?? So, I save myself the frustration and don't go. If one of my kids breaks an arm, THEN we will go to a traditional doctor since I know I can't set the break, and their method of healing will do what needs to be done. If my kids have a fever, a cold, etc. I would rather handle that myself. When my son had whooping cough, we took him to a Naturopath who was totally cool. I guess it's all a matter of perspective! Liz Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations WE do the baby well visits and the kids have never gotten sick from going in there. They have a different opening to the clinic for the well chidlren and the sick children. The peds doc is there for the morning and then he/she takes care of the rest of the children (sick ones) in the afternoon. But I don't think Breastfeeding has anything to do with it, I think it helps to prevent sickness but not competely. Both of my kids were breastfed till they were one and SHelby got sick more times then I can count and Mason did not. But when their 1st birthday came and went. They now have been sick 2 times maybe three( maybe one of those times is bad enough to go in) and the rest of the year they are fine. Only go in for baby well visits. You know not all doctors are evil...why does it seem like you guys are acting that everyone of them is evil? Carlena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 No its not that. At all its been checked out. Its just plain old negelct from my stepmother for not making him do school work and stumlate his brain and creativity outside video games. --- Hjfasufi@... wrote: > Carlena: > > What you are explaining about your nephew and his > family could be something > related to the Autistic spectrum. My 15 yr. old son > has Asperger's Syndrome. > He is not social at all, and he would be more than > happy to play video games > for 8 hours. That doesn't mean I let him. > > I know a lot about Autistic Spectrum Disorders, and > there is a prevalence of > it running in families. They really can't help it! > > Maybe, you should consider this, before you put the > whole family off as being > irresponsible. > > Regards, > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 No, they are good doctors and they are bad doctors. Just like there are good teachers and bad teachers, good parents and bad parents. Its are job to find them out. My best friend's husband is going to be a doctor and I he's not shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, brainwashed and ect. I resent that comment. Nor are my two kids peds doctors. Carlena --- joanna athome <joanna_at_home@...> wrote: > > > in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > not all doctors are evil ........ > > > > > Just mostly shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > brainwashed and generally a blot on the > landscape!!!!! > > Joanna > > > use of is subject to the Terms > of Service. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Whatever.... You guys have your opinions and I have mine. My kids were breastfeed and they did not get sick that often. And I know other kids that were breastfed and got sick ALL the time. I think the doctors that my kids have are great ones. They have worked with with my daighter and seizures. If it wasn't for them I don't know what I would have done. ANd no before any of you say anything it wasn't do to shots. She was involved in a serious car accident with my mother and both suffer head trauma that resulted in seizures. --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > Breastfeeding has an awful lot to do with it. If you > doubt it, look at the information available. Even > with the little that is really known about > breastfeeding and it's benefits (it's not exactly a > high dollar area of study), the information is > amazing and dramatic. > > Sure a lot of other things play into whether kids > get sick or not... a kid in daycare is generally > going to be sick a heck of a lot more than a kid who > is not. > > Odin would pick up a cold/minor bug generally a week > or two after going to the doctors. I never put two > and two together until I was looking back through a > calendar I kept of his first year. I was so anal... > I wrote down minor things like " He had the sniffles > today " . The more I looked, the more I realized most > of those minor things came after a visit to the > doctor. > > They had a separate waiting area too. But come on... > you take a kid into a place where there is a > concentration of sick kids and what do you expect to > happen? > > It's not a matter of thinking doctors are evil, it's > a matter of realizing that their method of > treatment, on the whole, is counterproductive to > health. > > Look at 'well baby' visits. Why does a well child > need to visit a doctor? It used to be doctors were > seen when a person was sick. Now we see doctors just > for the heck of it when kids are well too?? And for > what? So they can weight them, chart them, inject > them with vaccines and on the whole do very little > that promotes real wellness. Great. This is supposed > to promote good feelings towards doctors? We spent > more time in waiting rooms than with the doctor. > Like they are going to catch something that I, as a > mother, who spends every day with my kids is going > to miss. > > I also don't adhere to the western way of treatment. > Pumping kids full of prescription meds, antibiotics, > etc. just doesn't sit well with me. Why take a child > to a doctor when you know you're not going to agree > with the course of treatment?? > > So, I save myself the frustration and don't go. If > one of my kids breaks an arm, THEN we will go to a > traditional doctor since I know I can't set the > break, and their method of healing will do what > needs to be done. If my kids have a fever, a cold, > etc. I would rather handle that myself. When my son > had whooping cough, we took him to a Naturopath who > was totally cool. I guess it's all a matter of > perspective! > > > Liz > > > > > Re: Report Backs Infant > Vaccinations > > > WE do the baby well visits and the kids have never > gotten sick from going in there. They have a > different > opening to the clinic for the well chidlren and > the > sick children. The peds doc is there for the > morning > and then he/she takes care of the rest of the > children > (sick ones) in the afternoon. But I don't think > Breastfeeding has anything to do with it, I think > it > helps to prevent sickness but not competely. Both > of > my kids were breastfed till they were one and > SHelby > got sick more times then I can count and Mason did > not. But when their 1st birthday came and went. > They > now have been sick 2 times maybe three( maybe one > of > those times is bad enough to go in) and the rest > of > the year they are fine. Only go in for baby well > visits. > > You know not all doctors are evil...why does it > seem > like you guys are acting that everyone of them is > evil? > > Carlena > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Perhaps you shouldn't judge!! Homeschooling doesn't have to be 'school at home' to be extremely effective. We're all so brainwashed into thinking kids have to be taught in your typical drill sergeant school type way. In reality, many kids learn best when allowed to follow their own interests. Something that may appear to be haphazard and inconsistent to the uneducated outsider, may in fact be an extremely effective method of learning for the child. My son will start 'kindergarten' at home this fall. We're homeschooling for so many reasons... mainly I have no faith in public school systems ability to provide an education that will help my son achieve success as an adult <what ever he decides that will be>. I have *NO* intentions of setting up 'school at home'. We're going to do modified unschooling... basically he will lead the way and I will provide what he needs along that path. We've never done anything structured, forced, or highly organized with my oldest... yet he already at 4 knows more than my neighbors son who is half way through his first year of public school kindergarten. All we've ever done is provide a ton of resources (including myself and my husband, after all, we are both our children's best teachers and resource... it's so important for parents to be available to their kids) and my son has soaked up knowledge like a dry sponge soaks up water!! It's AMAZING how much children will eagerly learn if the conditions are right!! It's also nice to know we won't have to deal with the vaccine issue and school!! Texas is a pretty relaxed state, but still... by homeschooling it won't even be an issue. Liz Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations That's true. For us homeschooling is not an option. I am a sigle parent and around here. Either you go public, private otr you teach your own child. I have to work. Plus I am not discplinied enough to do it. I have had freinds who are homeschool, didn't like how they were teased. Just horrible from the nieghborhood kids. Plus my step mom does it with my brother and sister and she is doing them a diservice at the way she is going about teaching them. Not consistent or anything. Some do a really good job homeschooling and others do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Boy isn't that the truth... my poor husband went through such hell in public school. Not just teasing, but to the extent of having knives pulled on him in GRADE SCHOOL! Lovely institution public school... I never went through anything bad in public school, I was just bored out of my mind even in honors classes. When we lived in Nebraska, the family next door to us homeschooled. I was in high school, and thought it would be so neat to be able to stay home all day. They were constantly going on cool field trips, and homeschool group meetings and such. There are pros and cons to both side of the schooling issue, but I think a well rounded approach to homeschooling has very few if any cons to the kids. It's generally the parents who have the most problems with it (schedules, lifestyle issues, etc. ) Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: saraavi ranch being teased or not has nothing to do with homeschooling. if they weren't homeschooled, they'd get teased at school for something else. the children must gain self-confidence, only that will stop them being teased or worse, bullied. jmo :-) claudia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 lol, Joanna .......... ok, I was trying to be a bit more diplomatic ...... lmao. Some days I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall with some of my family and friends. I'm like YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME, JUST READ THE FREAKING INFORMATION. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 what is the formula that one is able to part the world into good ones and bad ones? i wish i could do that, but i haven't quite figured out how. can you help? thanx. claudia --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote: > No, they are good doctors and they are bad doctors. > Just like there are good teachers and bad teachers, > good parents and bad parents. Its are job to find > them > out. My best friend's husband is going to be a > doctor > and I he's not shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > brainwashed and ect. I resent that comment. Nor are > my > two kids peds doctors. > > Carlena > --- joanna athome <joanna_at_home@...> wrote: > > > > > > in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > > not all doctors are evil ........ > > > > > > > > > > Just mostly shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > > brainwashed and generally a blot on the > > landscape!!!!! > > > > Joanna > > > > > > use of is subject to the > Terms > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 The 'real' world?? The real world is what we make it. I can tell you absolutely nothing I learned in the 12 years I spent in public school really taught me anything that helps me in my day to day 'real life'. No where in there was there preparation for simple things like home budgeting (hey, I took trig and pre cal and all that high level crap, so much for reality...) , basic household maintenance (wish I'd taken shop instead of pre-collage electives), parenting, etc. I worked everything from a hip trendy job at a local health food store right out of high school, to working directly with upper level management on a major corporate project before having my kids. NOTHING I learned in public school helped with any of it. College was only slightely more intellegent... And honestly, I hope I'll never have to go back to the back-biting, closed minded, brown nosing, short sited corporate world. I tell ya, talk about a bunch of people stuck in the never ending high school popularity contest loop!! I feel so bad for my poor husband who has to go right into the thick of it every day. Ra-ra corporate America! I see no point in having to indoctrinate children into that sort of lifestyle any earlier than necessary. It's bad enough we have to conform to a bunch of stupid standards as adults when we can fully understand WHY, we sure don't need to force kids to do the same when it's totally not necessary. Self discipline doesn't come from being forced to conform, it comes from learning the consequence of ones actions. Meaning kids and adults alike need to be allowed the freedom to make their own choices, and then wither suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. I really love my current 'real' world of being a stay at home momma, a wife, and all the various other things I do (small time horse breeder, wish I had time to finish remodeling my 100 year old house, I love to sew, garden, cook, I raise my own goats and will again be attempting chickens and hope the wildlife doesn't run off with them AGAIN, I love the concept of homesteading... and where exactly was the school course on all this??). I think the mentality that is brainwashed into kids from the time they are little <school age> is the same brainwashed mentality that has allowed something as dangerous as vaccinations to become so mainstream and accepted. It's the thought that one must conform to succeed. That mediocrity is acceptable, and to blend in and not make waves is the ultimate form of acceptable social behavior. I don't give a rats butt if my kid is at the same level as a child in public school. If my oldest doesn't want to learn to read until he's 12, that's his choice. He may however decide to become obsessed with mathematics and concentrate on being a math wiz. Who knows! He already meets or exceeds most of the requirements of a child in Kindergarten, even though he isn't even school age yet (and isn't being formally schooled in any way). By this fall when he's supposed to start 'school', I'm sure he'll already be past his comparable school level. If not, then oh well. I doubt that if he learns to write his name a 5 or 10 it will really make a difference when he's 20. There are *SO* many things to learn in life, what is taught in school has so little relevance to the real world. It's pretty obvious that the current way of raising kids in the US isn't working... but no one wants to point the finger at the 'ship the kids off to daycare/school/latchkey and let someone else raise them' mentality that is causing it. It's uncomfortable to blame parents for not parenting, and so the kids suffer. That goes across the board... being present doesn't mean a parent is actively parenting. But being absent the majority of the time sure makes it that much harder for a person to be an active part of their kids life. My priority with my kids education, just like their lives, isn't keeping up with the es. I don't want them to be like the kid down the street. I don't want them to be anyone but themselves! If that means they are undisciplined by the rest of the worlds standards, oh well. I'd rather they be undisciplined and happy then brow beaten into model behavior that makes them miserable for all the days of their lives. Conformity sucks. By most peoples standards, I'm negligent because I don't vaccinate. Yet if you're on this list I'd hope you'd be informed enough to realize vaccination can be horribly dangerous, far more so than most of the diseases being vaccinated against. For the educated person, where the real risk lies is obvious... it's in the syringe full of poison behind the needles so many parents blindly allow to be jabbed into their kids. I know that, hopefully you know that, I'd venture to say most people on this list know that. To bad the rest of the US doesn't.... Because we choose differently, many 'main stream' people won't understand the choices we make. Their lack of understanding will come across in many ways... from hostility to curiosity. The same applies to many other non-main stream concepts like homeschooling, extended breastfeeding, attachment parenting, etc. etc. etc. Although you may not completely understand the concepts, there are good reasons behind all of them. None of which have anything to do with making sure our kids are the same as mainstream kids... generally the goal is to make sure that DOESN'T happen. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: carlena seepgaither That is preparing my couusins for the future to be able to structure yourself and be disciplined. Plus its getting you outside exposure to the " real " world and its rules. Yes children will find anything that they find to tease a child, but at least if people are going to homeschool, do it in away that they chidlren feel they are just as smart a child that goes to public/private school. There will always be competion between children why not also give them the grounds to equally compete with public/private schooled chidlren? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 daycare/school/latchkey Excuseme!!! I am one of those kids and I turned out fine. I'm not sure where you went to school. But in my high freshman class they taught us about budgeting, balanceing a checkbook. Home Ec taught us how to cook, Sex Ed taught us how to handle babies, chidlren....changing diapers and so etc. I too would love to be a stay at home mom but I can have the luxury as a single mom. Why don't we just drop the subject and call it a draw and say we agree to disagree. --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > The 'real' world?? The real world is what we make > it. I can tell you absolutely nothing I learned in > the 12 years I spent in public school really taught > me anything that helps me in my day to day 'real > life'. No where in there was there preparation for > simple things like home budgeting (hey, I took trig > and pre cal and all that high level crap, so much > for reality...) , basic household maintenance (wish > I'd taken shop instead of pre-collage electives), > parenting, etc. > > I worked everything from a hip trendy job at a local > health food store right out of high school, to > working directly with upper level management on a > major corporate project before having my kids. > NOTHING I learned in public school helped with any > of it. College was only slightely more > intellegent... > > And honestly, I hope I'll never have to go back to > the back-biting, closed minded, brown nosing, short > sited corporate world. I tell ya, talk about a bunch > of people stuck in the never ending high school > popularity contest loop!! I feel so bad for my poor > husband who has to go right into the thick of it > every day. Ra-ra corporate America! I see no point > in having to indoctrinate children into that sort of > lifestyle any earlier than necessary. It's bad > enough we have to conform to a bunch of stupid > standards as adults when we can fully understand > WHY, we sure don't need to force kids to do the same > when it's totally not necessary. Self discipline > doesn't come from being forced to conform, it comes > from learning the consequence of ones actions. > Meaning kids and adults alike need to be allowed the > freedom to make their own choices, and then wither > suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. > > I really love my current 'real' world of being a > stay at home momma, a wife, and all the various > other things I do (small time horse breeder, wish I > had time to finish remodeling my 100 year old house, > I love to sew, garden, cook, I raise my own goats > and will again be attempting chickens and hope the > wildlife doesn't run off with them AGAIN, I love the > concept of homesteading... and where exactly was the > school course on all this??). > > I think the mentality that is brainwashed into kids > from the time they are little <school age> is the > same brainwashed mentality that has allowed > something as dangerous as vaccinations to become so > mainstream and accepted. It's the thought that one > must conform to succeed. That mediocrity is > acceptable, and to blend in and not make waves is > the ultimate form of acceptable social behavior. > > I don't give a rats butt if my kid is at the same > level as a child in public school. If my oldest > doesn't want to learn to read until he's 12, that's > his choice. He may however decide to become obsessed > with mathematics and concentrate on being a math > wiz. Who knows! He already meets or exceeds most of > the requirements of a child in Kindergarten, even > though he isn't even school age yet (and isn't being > formally schooled in any way). By this fall when > he's supposed to start 'school', I'm sure he'll > already be past his comparable school level. If not, > then oh well. I doubt that if he learns to write his > name a 5 or 10 it will really make a difference when > he's 20. There are *SO* many things to learn in > life, what is taught in school has so little > relevance to the real world. It's pretty obvious > that the current way of raising kids in the US isn't > working... but no one wants to point the finger at > the 'ship the kids off to daycare/school/latchkey > and let someone else raise them' mentality that is > causing it. It's uncomfortable to blame parents for > not parenting, and so the kids suffer. That goes > across the board... being present doesn't mean a > parent is actively parenting. But being absent the > majority of the time sure makes it that much harder > for a person to be an active part of their kids > life. > > My priority with my kids education, just like their > lives, isn't keeping up with the es. I don't > want them to be like the kid down the street. I > don't want them to be anyone but themselves! If that > means they are undisciplined by the rest of the > worlds standards, oh well. I'd rather they be > undisciplined and happy then brow beaten into model > behavior that makes them miserable for all the days > of their lives. Conformity sucks. > > By most peoples standards, I'm negligent because I > don't vaccinate. Yet if you're on this list I'd hope > you'd be informed enough to realize vaccination can > be horribly dangerous, far more so than most of the > diseases being vaccinated against. For the educated > person, where the real risk lies is obvious... it's > in the syringe full of poison behind the needles so > many parents blindly allow to be jabbed into their > kids. I know that, hopefully you know that, I'd > venture to say most people on this list know that. > To bad the rest of the US doesn't.... > > Because we choose differently, many 'main stream' > people won't understand the choices we make. Their > lack of understanding will come across in many > ways... from hostility to curiosity. The same > applies to many other non-main stream concepts like > homeschooling, extended breastfeeding, attachment > parenting, etc. etc. etc. Although you may not > completely understand the concepts, there are good > reasons behind all of them. None of which have > anything to do with making sure our kids are the > same as mainstream kids... generally the goal is to > make sure that DOESN'T happen. > > > Liz > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: carlena seepgaither > That is preparing my couusins > for the future to be able to structure yourself > and be > disciplined. Plus its getting you outside exposure > to > the " real " world and its rules. > > Yes children will find anything that they find to > tease a child, but at least if people are going to > homeschool, do it in away that they chidlren feel > they > are just as smart a child that goes to > public/private > school. There will always be competion between > children why not also give them the grounds to > equally > compete with public/private schooled chidlren? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 For me its the ones that are open to questions, and if they don't know the answers they acknowledge that, go find the answers and if I was wrong in thinking they show me where I am wrong and vise versa. My best friend is the best teacher I know. She takes the takes the time to teach her kids about the basic human skills. Washing your hands after going to the bathroom, friendships. She loves everyone of those chidlren like they are hers. Is they are sad she has told me that her heart aches for them, when they achieve something they have tried so hard to do, she cheers them on. I have had teachers like these, and I have had teachers that don't care about if you make it or not. But she is one of the good ones. --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > what is the formula that one is able to part the > world > into good ones and bad ones? i wish i could do that, > but i haven't quite figured out how. can you help? > thanx. > claudia > > --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> > wrote: > > No, they are good doctors and they are bad > doctors. > > Just like there are good teachers and bad > teachers, > > good parents and bad parents. Its are job to find > > them > > out. My best friend's husband is going to be a > > doctor > > and I he's not shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > > brainwashed and ect. I resent that comment. Nor > are > > my > > two kids peds doctors. > > > > Carlena > > --- joanna athome <joanna_at_home@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > > > not all doctors are evil ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just mostly shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > > > brainwashed and generally a blot on the > > > landscape!!!!! > > > > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > > use of is subject to the > > Terms > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 You're missing the point. Entirely. My Grandfather is a doctor (retired general practitioner, prior to that he was an aerospace doctor in the air force. He's served as a doctor literally all over the world). I love him dearly. He is a wonderful man, and in many, many ways I respect and admire him. For the most part, I also completely disagree with the way he practices medicine. He's not as bad as most current doctors, because back in his day he had less 'stuff' to work with and was required to rely on the human body to do it's job <and heal>. If you think western medicine doctors are great, that's your prerogative. But do try and understand that coming from the perspective of someone who is actually interested in healing... as apposed to putting a patch on a problem that will only make it worse... western medicine is a horribly counterproductive to most health issues. Take a cold for example... you go to your typical doctor and they will prescribe Tylenol for fever, aches and pains. Most will even go so far as to give antibiotics just in case of secondary infection. No where along the way will they really consider the source of the cold. Are you run down? Does your immune system need support. Is there an issue with another part of your body that is contributing to or worsening the symptoms of the cold? Is it really a cold at all, or is it an immune response to damage going on in the body... instead of taking a *w*holistic approach to healing, and curing what is actually wrong... western medicine doctors 'patch' and cover up the symptoms instead of actually fixing the problem. Sure taking two Tylenol may mask the symptoms and give relief... but did it actually cure the problem? No. And it hurt your liver to boot. It's a bit of a 'glass half full, glass half empty' kind of thing. Until your perspective changes... it won't make sense! Liz Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations No, they are good doctors and they are bad doctors. Just like there are good teachers and bad teachers, good parents and bad parents. Its are job to find them out. My best friend's husband is going to be a doctor and I he's not shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, brainwashed and ect. I resent that comment. Nor are my two kids peds doctors. Carlena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 oh absolutely, liz! remembering my own school days, i was kind of 'unbullyable', cuz i never gave a damn what anyone thought of me, so they could say what they wanted and it went in one ear and out the other, lol. when we realized that dd was showing signs of being, well, kind of a wall flower, and cried everytime someone raised his/her voice at her, we introduced her to martial arts. first she fought going to the classes, but then she started to enjoy tournaments and once she became AZ state champion, nobody would dare bully her, lol. school life is getting more difficult by the year it seams, and together with the aim to take over control of the kids (having parents sign forms to allow schools to take care of medical check ups etc), more and more parents are favoring homeschooling. and a lot of us parents still have to learn not to put too much value on what the neighbours think, too. :-)) claudia --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > Boy isn't that the truth... my poor husband went > through such hell in public school. Not just > teasing, but to the extent of having knives pulled > on him in GRADE SCHOOL! Lovely institution public > school... I never went through anything bad in > public school, I was just bored out of my mind even > in honors classes. > > When we lived in Nebraska, the family next door to > us homeschooled. I was in high school, and thought > it would be so neat to be able to stay home all day. > They were constantly going on cool field trips, and > homeschool group meetings and such. > > There are pros and cons to both side of the > schooling issue, but I think a well rounded approach > to homeschooling has very few if any cons to the > kids. It's generally the parents who have the most > problems with it (schedules, lifestyle issues, etc. > ) > > Liz > > > ===== see our new website! take part in our poll!!! http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm and http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/pollpage.htm It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 You haven't even read what I posted before about my chidlren's doctors. They don't mind and encourage the fact that I try other remedies before I bring them in. My kid's doctors won't prescribe antibotics unless absoluting necessary. My son's was actually reported because he didn't give this mother one, when she asked for it. Said the child didn't needed it. He was teething. Gave some suggestions to do and she filed a complaint. So no, I don't run to our 'western " doctors for everything. Only when necessary. The last two years, Shelby has been in once because she had a senus infection and nothing I have tried fixed it. I look for other ways, but I'm not afarid to go to him for advice about things either. My best friend's husband is studying both ways of medicine to be better service to his patients. I think that's awesome. So I'm sorry but my prespect is just fine. --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > You're missing the point. Entirely. > > My Grandfather is a doctor (retired general > practitioner, prior to that he was an aerospace > doctor in the air force. He's served as a doctor > literally all over the world). I love him dearly. He > is a wonderful man, and in many, many ways I respect > and admire him. > > For the most part, I also completely disagree with > the way he practices medicine. He's not as bad as > most current doctors, because back in his day he had > less 'stuff' to work with and was required to rely > on the human body to do it's job <and heal>. > > If you think western medicine doctors are great, > that's your prerogative. But do try and understand > that coming from the perspective of someone who is > actually interested in healing... as apposed to > putting a patch on a problem that will only make it > worse... western medicine is a horribly > counterproductive to most health issues. > > Take a cold for example... you go to your typical > doctor and they will prescribe Tylenol for fever, > aches and pains. Most will even go so far as to give > antibiotics just in case of secondary infection. No > where along the way will they really consider the > source of the cold. Are you run down? Does your > immune system need support. Is there an issue with > another part of your body that is contributing to or > worsening the symptoms of the cold? Is it really a > cold at all, or is it an immune response to damage > going on in the body... instead of taking a > *w*holistic approach to healing, and curing what is > actually wrong... western medicine doctors 'patch' > and cover up the symptoms instead of actually fixing > the problem. Sure taking two Tylenol may mask the > symptoms and give relief... but did it actually cure > the problem? No. And it hurt your liver to boot. > > It's a bit of a 'glass half full, glass half empty' > kind of thing. Until your perspective changes... it > won't make sense! > > Liz > > > > > Re: Report Backs Infant > Vaccinations > > > No, they are good doctors and they are bad > doctors. > Just like there are good teachers and bad > teachers, > good parents and bad parents. Its are job to find > them > out. My best friend's husband is going to be a > doctor > and I he's not shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > brainwashed and ect. I resent that comment. Nor > are my > two kids peds doctors. > > Carlena > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 The good one are the ones you DON'T go to, the bad ones are always the ones you end up stuck with! I like our pediatrician. She's very nice as far as doctors go. It also helps that we've seen her, hmm, once is about 2 years! Liz Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations what is the formula that one is able to part the world into good ones and bad ones? i wish i could do that, but i haven't quite figured out how. can you help? thanx. claudia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 That's your opinion. I know that my BF's husband will be a great doctor. --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > The good one are the ones you DON'T go to, the bad > ones are always the ones you end up stuck with! > > I like our pediatrician. She's very nice as far as > doctors go. It also helps that we've seen her, hmm, > once is about 2 years! > > Liz > > > > Re: Report Backs Infant > Vaccinations > > > what is the formula that one is able to part the > world > into good ones and bad ones? i wish i could do > that, > but i haven't quite figured out how. can you help? > thanx. > claudia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote: > <snip> Then there are others like the saftey of > ALL > children and their health that we should unite. We > need to unite on their education and things like > that. we can't unite on children's education until we find a way to truly educate our children. i would certainly NOT consider school education anything that remotely reflects true education. jmo claudia ===== see our new website! take part in our poll!!! http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm and http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/pollpage.htm It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 As far as any of my kids getting medical exams in school What's the point of this? --- Hjfasufi@... wrote: > school life is getting more difficult > by the year it seams, and together with the aim to > take over control of the kids (having parents sign > forms to allow schools to take care of medical check > ups etc), more and more parents are favoring > homeschooling. and a lot of us parents still have to > learn not to put too much value on what the > neighbours > think, too. :-)) > claudia > > > I've always felt this way claudia! Nice to know I'm > not the only one. As far > as any of my kids getting medical exams in school, > forget it! > > > > PS: I read a great post today on another list. I'm > going to forward it. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 wow! how cool. where do you live? claudia --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote: > For me its the ones that are open to questions, and > if > they don't know the answers they acknowledge that, > go > find the answers and if I was wrong in thinking they > show me where I am wrong and vise versa. My best > friend is the best teacher I know. She takes the > takes > the time to teach her kids about the basic human > skills. Washing your hands after going to the > bathroom, friendships. She loves everyone of those > chidlren like they are hers. Is they are sad she has > told me that her heart aches for them, when they > achieve something they have tried so hard to do, she > cheers them on. I have had teachers like these, and > I > have had teachers that don't care about if you make > it > or not. But she is one of the good ones. > --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > > what is the formula that one is able to part the > > world > > into good ones and bad ones? i wish i could do > that, > > but i haven't quite figured out how. can you help? > > thanx. > > claudia > > > > --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> > > wrote: > > > No, they are good doctors and they are bad > > doctors. > > > Just like there are good teachers and bad > > teachers, > > > good parents and bad parents. Its are job to > find > > > them > > > out. My best friend's husband is going to be a > > > doctor > > > and I he's not shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > > > brainwashed and ect. I resent that comment. Nor > > are > > > my > > > two kids peds doctors. > > > > > > Carlena > > > --- joanna athome <joanna_at_home@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > > > > not all doctors are evil ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just mostly shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > > > > brainwashed and generally a blot on the > > > > landscape!!!!! > > > > > > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > > > > > use of is subject to the > > > Terms > > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 St.Cloud Minnesota --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > wow! how cool. where do you live? > claudia > > --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> > wrote: > > For me its the ones that are open to questions, > and > > if > > they don't know the answers they acknowledge that, > > go > > find the answers and if I was wrong in thinking > they > > show me where I am wrong and vise versa. My best > > friend is the best teacher I know. She takes the > > takes > > the time to teach her kids about the basic human > > skills. Washing your hands after going to the > > bathroom, friendships. She loves everyone of those > > chidlren like they are hers. Is they are sad she > has > > told me that her heart aches for them, when they > > achieve something they have tried so hard to do, > she > > cheers them on. I have had teachers like these, > and > > I > > have had teachers that don't care about if you > make > > it > > or not. But she is one of the good ones. > > --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > > > what is the formula that one is able to part the > > > world > > > into good ones and bad ones? i wish i could do > > that, > > > but i haven't quite figured out how. can you > help? > > > thanx. > > > claudia > > > > > > --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> > > > wrote: > > > > No, they are good doctors and they are bad > > > doctors. > > > > Just like there are good teachers and bad > > > teachers, > > > > good parents and bad parents. Its are job to > > find > > > > them > > > > out. My best friend's husband is going to be a > > > > doctor > > > > and I he's not shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > > > > brainwashed and ect. I resent that comment. > Nor > > > are > > > > my > > > > two kids peds doctors. > > > > > > > > Carlena > > > > --- joanna athome <joanna_at_home@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in IL <tgdamron@...> > wrote: > > > > > not all doctors are evil ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just mostly shortsighted, stupid, arrogant, > > > > > brainwashed and generally a blot on the > > > > > landscape!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of is subject to the > > > > > Terms > > > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 the point is - well, schools would call it 'convenience' for parents - the truth is - control over kids... :-) claudia --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote: > As far > as any of my kids getting medical exams in school > What's the point of this? > > > --- Hjfasufi@... wrote: > > school life is getting more difficult > > by the year it seams, and together with the aim to > > take over control of the kids (having parents sign > > forms to allow schools to take care of medical > check > > ups etc), more and more parents are favoring > > homeschooling. and a lot of us parents still have > to > > learn not to put too much value on what the > > neighbours > > think, too. :-)) > > claudia > > > > > > I've always felt this way claudia! Nice to know > I'm > > not the only one. As far > > as any of my kids getting medical exams in school, > > forget it! > > > > > > > > PS: I read a great post today on another list. I'm > > going to forward it. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Liz, You sound so much like me, it's scary. I've homeschooled our son on and off for several years. I have to admit...it was GREAT for him, but very very tiring and well, constraining, for me. My husband's a lawyer. I'm a former legal assistant now stay-at-home Mom. I'm a little different than you in that I truly enjoyed my career. I really miss the legal world. For me, being a Mom's been great and I do like staying at home, mostly. But now our son's in a private Montessori based school (absolutely loves it and doing well, thank you), but I'm well, bored to tears! So, I've decided to try to find something charitable and worthwhile to seek my teeth into. But, oh would I love to be in your shoes with the animals, etc. That's my kind of life! Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations > The 'real' world?? The real world is what we make it. I can tell you absolutely nothing I learned in the 12 years I spent in public school really taught me anything that helps me in my day to day 'real life'. No where in there was there preparation for simple things like home budgeting (hey, I took trig and pre cal and all that high level crap, so much for reality...) , basic household maintenance (wish I'd taken shop instead of pre-collage electives), parenting, etc. > > I worked everything from a hip trendy job at a local health food store right out of high school, to working directly with upper level management on a major corporate project before having my kids. NOTHING I learned in public school helped with any of it. College was only slightely more intellegent... > > And honestly, I hope I'll never have to go back to the back-biting, closed minded, brown nosing, short sited corporate world. I tell ya, talk about a bunch of people stuck in the never ending high school popularity contest loop!! I feel so bad for my poor husband who has to go right into the thick of it every day. Ra-ra corporate America! I see no point in having to indoctrinate children into that sort of lifestyle any earlier than necessary. It's bad enough we have to conform to a bunch of stupid standards as adults when we can fully understand WHY, we sure don't need to force kids to do the same when it's totally not necessary. Self discipline doesn't come from being forced to conform, it comes from learning the consequence of ones actions. Meaning kids and adults alike need to be allowed the freedom to make their own choices, and then wither suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. > > I really love my current 'real' world of being a stay at home momma, a wife, and all the various other things I do (small time horse breeder, wish I had time to finish remodeling my 100 year old house, I love to sew, garden, cook, I raise my own goats and will again be attempting chickens and hope the wildlife doesn't run off with them AGAIN, I love the concept of homesteading... and where exactly was the school course on all this??). > > I think the mentality that is brainwashed into kids from the time they are little <school age> is the same brainwashed mentality that has allowed something as dangerous as vaccinations to become so mainstream and accepted. It's the thought that one must conform to succeed. That mediocrity is acceptable, and to blend in and not make waves is the ultimate form of acceptable social behavior. > > I don't give a rats butt if my kid is at the same level as a child in public school. If my oldest doesn't want to learn to read until he's 12, that's his choice. He may however decide to become obsessed with mathematics and concentrate on being a math wiz. Who knows! He already meets or exceeds most of the requirements of a child in Kindergarten, even though he isn't even school age yet (and isn't being formally schooled in any way). By this fall when he's supposed to start 'school', I'm sure he'll already be past his comparable school level. If not, then oh well. I doubt that if he learns to write his name a 5 or 10 it will really make a difference when he's 20. There are *SO* many things to learn in life, what is taught in school has so little relevance to the real world. It's pretty obvious that the current way of raising kids in the US isn't working... but no one wants to point the finger at the 'ship the kids off to daycare/school/latchkey and let someone else raise them' mentality that is causing it. It's uncomfortable to blame parents for not parenting, and so the kids suffer. That goes across the board... being present doesn't mean a parent is actively parenting. But being absent the majority of the time sure makes it that much harder for a person to be an active part of their kids life. > > My priority with my kids education, just like their lives, isn't keeping up with the es. I don't want them to be like the kid down the street. I don't want them to be anyone but themselves! If that means they are undisciplined by the rest of the worlds standards, oh well. I'd rather they be undisciplined and happy then brow beaten into model behavior that makes them miserable for all the days of their lives. Conformity sucks. > > By most peoples standards, I'm negligent because I don't vaccinate. Yet if you're on this list I'd hope you'd be informed enough to realize vaccination can be horribly dangerous, far more so than most of the diseases being vaccinated against. For the educated person, where the real risk lies is obvious... it's in the syringe full of poison behind the needles so many parents blindly allow to be jabbed into their kids. I know that, hopefully you know that, I'd venture to say most people on this list know that. To bad the rest of the US doesn't.... > > Because we choose differently, many 'main stream' people won't understand the choices we make. Their lack of understanding will come across in many ways... from hostility to curiosity. The same applies to many other non-main stream concepts like homeschooling, extended breastfeeding, attachment parenting, etc. etc. etc. Although you may not completely understand the concepts, there are good reasons behind all of them. None of which have anything to do with making sure our kids are the same as mainstream kids... generally the goal is to make sure that DOESN'T happen. > > > Liz > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: carlena seepgaither > That is preparing my couusins > for the future to be able to structure yourself and be > disciplined. Plus its getting you outside exposure to > the " real " world and its rules. > > Yes children will find anything that they find to > tease a child, but at least if people are going to > homeschool, do it in away that they chidlren feel they > are just as smart a child that goes to public/private > school. There will always be competion between > children why not also give them the grounds to equally > compete with public/private schooled chidlren? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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