Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations

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In a message dated 2/21/02 4:19:24 PM GTB Standard Time, Hjfasufi@...

writes:

<< It was actually on my late local news last night, for all of 25

seconds. IOM say vaccine do not cause diabetes, but could be linked to

asthma.

>>

My local news only said the study/research showed that mulitple vaccinations

are totally safe and babies could.....ekkkk......handle even more if

needed!!!!

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today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there is no link to diabetes,

they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear infections and colds ........

<sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out of their asses....?

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>suppose we'll ever get their heads out of their asses....? <

LMAO!!

Doubt it though, seems it's too comfy n cosy in there.

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.8yrs

South Wales

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maybe we should ALL keep a record of our kids'

illnesses throughout childhood... like dd, who's

partially vax'ed was sick (fever, flu, ear infections

etc etc) 21 times between birth and age 4 yrs 6

months. ds is 4 yrs 3 months, unvax'ed and has just

had his first flu which he got over in 2 1/2 days,

with no treatment apart from plenty of reiki. the

first and only other 'illness' he had was chickenpox a

day after his 1st birthday which only lasted a few

days. maybe we should all compare the records between

vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the media...

since the pharma co's get away with calling anything

involving more than about 20 kids comparable studies,

we should definitely get away with that, considering

the amount of people on this list....

???

claudia

--- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote:

> today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there is

> no link to diabetes,

> they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear

> infections and colds ........

>

> <sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out of

> their asses....?

>

>

>

>

>

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That's a good idea. But I don't remember the exact

amt. That Shelby cam down with ear infections. She

ended up with tubes, much to my and the her peds.

doctor's disappoinment

Carlena

--- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

> maybe we should ALL keep a record of our kids'

> illnesses throughout childhood... like dd, who's

> partially vax'ed was sick (fever, flu, ear

> infections

> etc etc) 21 times between birth and age 4 yrs 6

> months. ds is 4 yrs 3 months, unvax'ed and has just

> had his first flu which he got over in 2 1/2 days,

> with no treatment apart from plenty of reiki. the

> first and only other 'illness' he had was chickenpox

> a

> day after his 1st birthday which only lasted a few

> days. maybe we should all compare the records

> between

> vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the media...

> since the pharma co's get away with calling anything

> involving more than about 20 kids comparable

> studies,

> we should definitely get away with that, considering

> the amount of people on this list....

> ???

> claudia

>

> --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote:

> > today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there

> is

> > no link to diabetes,

> > they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear

> > infections and colds ........

> >

> > <sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out of

> > their asses....?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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I think there are probably too many other compounding factors unfortunately...

my first son was vaccinated, but hardly ever got sick (as in I can probably

still count on just two hands the number of times he's ever really been sick and

he's 4 1/2 now). But he was also completely breastfed, and nursed until he was 2

1/2.

My second son is 18 months now, and has only been sick twice. Again, totally

breastfed but not vaccinated at all. We also don't do well baby visits (he'd

never been to a doctor), which I think helps A TON!!

With my first, he seemed to pick up a little bug every time we went in for a

well visit (talk about an oxymoron).

Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are healthier... but there are a

lot of other things that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is extremely

important, then eating healthy once the child has solids foods, and a healthy

environment. I don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and daycare all

day are in living the healthiest life style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't

vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats a ton of junk food, and sits

around and watches TV all day report in that their kids are just as sick as

every one else's, ya know?

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: carlena seepgaither

maybe we should all compare the records

> between

> vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the media...

> since the pharma co's get away with calling anything

> involving more than about 20 kids comparable

> studies,

> we should definitely get away with that, considering

> the amount of people on this list....

> ???

> claudia

>

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a rough estimate will do. i'm pretty sure that there

is a vast difference in the number of times a little

one gets sick between vaxed and unvaxed. just to show

a point to the public. question is, would any paper

dare publish it...

:-)

claudia

--- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote:

> That's a good idea. But I don't remember the exact

> amt. That Shelby cam down with ear infections. She

> ended up with tubes, much to my and the her peds.

> doctor's disappoinment

> Carlena

> --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

> > maybe we should ALL keep a record of our kids'

> > illnesses throughout childhood... like dd, who's

> > partially vax'ed was sick (fever, flu, ear

> > infections

> > etc etc) 21 times between birth and age 4 yrs 6

> > months. ds is 4 yrs 3 months, unvax'ed and has

> just

> > had his first flu which he got over in 2 1/2 days,

> > with no treatment apart from plenty of reiki. the

> > first and only other 'illness' he had was

> chickenpox

> > a

> > day after his 1st birthday which only lasted a few

> > days. maybe we should all compare the records

> > between

> > vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the

> media...

> > since the pharma co's get away with calling

> anything

> > involving more than about 20 kids comparable

> > studies,

> > we should definitely get away with that,

> considering

> > the amount of people on this list....

> > ???

> > claudia

> >

> > --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote:

> > > today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there

> > is

> > > no link to diabetes,

> > > they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear

> > > infections and colds ........

> > >

> > > <sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out

> of

> > > their asses....?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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> >

> > It is only with the heart that one can see

> rightly;

> > what is essential is invisible to the eye.

> > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general,

non-vaccinating parents are those who are more

responsible, i think, so they are in fact more

unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood etc... of

course there are exceptions, but in general it can be

said that bf'ing and other factors, such as healthy

lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also

contribute.

:-)

claudia

--- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote:

> Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are

> healthier... but there are a lot of other things

> that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is

> extremely important, then eating healthy once the

> child has solids foods, and a healthy environment. I

> don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and

> daycare all day are in living the healthiest life

> style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't

> vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats a

> ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV all

> day report in that their kids are just as sick as

> every one else's, ya know?

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Well said ! The mention of ear tubes reminded me of something I posted a

couple weeks back. A high percentage of kids develop reflux. I have been

researching this. My 2.9 yr. old did not receive the Hep B until 5 weeks old.

Prior to that he had no reflux. Hep B is started in a yeast base, I have

found that many naturopaths, homeopaths believe that a high percentage of

reflux is caused by yeast. The report I posted said researchers found

peptides in the ear canal, because of reflux. Of course, the course of

treatment recommended was prilosec or other PRESCRIPTION medications.

Just keep shooting these kids up with vaccines, then make no connection with

the physical problems. Keep the money coming in vaccines, in turn anti-acid

meds. and the whole slew of physical ailments. The Pharmaceutical companies

are sitting very pretty!

Regards,

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I

> " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments

and

> daycare all day are in living the healthiest life

> style. "

Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children

got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we

live in apartment. We don't sit all day inside. They

watch maybe one hour a night of TV ( 2 cartoons) and

and the weekend they watch a little more because they

are aloud to watch certain edcuational programs that

go alittle longer then that. My kids really ever get

sick, overall we take good care to make sure that they

eat right here and at daycare. Their daycare is on

the food program and they have taken great steps to

make sure that all they children are happy. My

daughter has been there since she was 9 months old and

if hadn't been for Campus I don't know what I would

have done. Mason has been there since 6 weeks, they

were just as excitied with both of the kids when they

took they're first steps you would have thought that

the kids were their kids. I've also seen chidlren

that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated and

etc that are sicker more then my children.

I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed to,

the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with

each child, and the genes that play a factor into what

a child will come down too.

So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a

lifestyle that you don't live in.

Carlena

--- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

> yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general,

> non-vaccinating parents are those who are more

> responsible, i think, so they are in fact more

> unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood etc...

> of

> course there are exceptions, but in general it can

> be

> said that bf'ing and other factors, such as healthy

> lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also

> contribute.

> :-)

> claudia

>

> --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote:

> > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are

> > healthier... but there are a lot of other things

> > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is

> > extremely important, then eating healthy once the

> > child has solids foods, and a healthy environment.

> I

> > don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments

> and

> > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life

> > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't

> > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats

> a

> > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV

> all

> > day report in that their kids are just as sick as

> > every one else's, ya know?

>

>

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> __________________________________________________

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We also don't do well baby visits

WE do the baby well visits and the kids have never

gotten sick from going in there. They have a different

opening to the clinic for the well chidlren and the

sick children. The peds doc is there for the morning

and then he/she takes care of the rest of the children

(sick ones) in the afternoon. But I don't think

Breastfeeding has anything to do with it, I think it

helps to prevent sickness but not competely. Both of

my kids were breastfed till they were one and SHelby

got sick more times then I can count and Mason did

not. But when their 1st birthday came and went. They

now have been sick 2 times maybe three( maybe one of

those times is bad enough to go in) and the rest of

the year they are fine. Only go in for baby well

visits.

You know not all doctors are evil...why does it seem

like you guys are acting that everyone of them is

evil?

Carlena

--- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote:

> I think there are probably too many other

> compounding factors unfortunately... my first son

> was vaccinated, but hardly ever got sick (as in I

> can probably still count on just two hands the

> number of times he's ever really been sick and he's

> 4 1/2 now). But he was also completely breastfed,

> and nursed until he was 2 1/2.

>

> My second son is 18 months now, and has only been

> sick twice. Again, totally breastfed but not

> vaccinated at all. We also don't do well baby visits

> (he'd never been to a doctor), which I think helps A

> TON!!

>

> With my first, he seemed to pick up a little bug

> every time we went in for a well visit (talk about

> an oxymoron).

>

> Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are

> healthier... but there are a lot of other things

> that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is

> extremely important, then eating healthy once the

> child has solids foods, and a healthy environment. I

> don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and

> daycare all day are in living the healthiest life

> style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't

> vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats a

> ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV all

> day report in that their kids are just as sick as

> every one else's, ya know?

>

>

> Liz

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: carlena seepgaither

> maybe we should all compare the records

> > between

> > vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the

> media...

> > since the pharma co's get away with calling

> anything

> > involving more than about 20 kids comparable

> > studies,

> > we should definitely get away with that,

> considering

> > the amount of people on this list....

> > ???

> > claudia

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

i wasn't making any hasty judgements, carlena. :-)

all i pointed out was that in general, parenting

without vaccinating, or at least questioning

vaccinations, goes along with a more natural

lifestyle. imo, it has very little, if anything, to do

with whether one lives in an apt or house, or whether

kids go to a daycare or not. it is more a philosophy

rather than a physical way of life.

having lived in the states for 4 yrs, i did come

across many different parents, and i found that it was

mostly parents who were from dysfunctional families

themselves, or were 2nd generation welfare recipients,

that simply didn't care about bringing up their

children. the only reason they let their children

vaccinate was because otherwise, social services might

question their motif and decide they don't care about

their kids...

:-)

claudia

--- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote:

> I

> > " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments

> and

> > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life

> > style. "

>

> Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children

> got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we

> live in apartment. We don't sit all day inside.

> They

> watch maybe one hour a night of TV ( 2 cartoons) and

> and the weekend they watch a little more because

> they

> are aloud to watch certain edcuational programs that

> go alittle longer then that. My kids really ever get

> sick, overall we take good care to make sure that

> they

> eat right here and at daycare. Their daycare is on

> the food program and they have taken great steps to

> make sure that all they children are happy. My

> daughter has been there since she was 9 months old

> and

> if hadn't been for Campus I don't know what I would

> have done. Mason has been there since 6 weeks, they

> were just as excitied with both of the kids when

> they

> took they're first steps you would have thought that

> the kids were their kids. I've also seen chidlren

> that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated

> and

> etc that are sicker more then my children.

>

> I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed

> to,

> the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with

> each child, and the genes that play a factor into

> what

> a child will come down too.

>

> So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a

> lifestyle that you don't live in.

>

> Carlena

> --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

> > yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general,

> > non-vaccinating parents are those who are more

> > responsible, i think, so they are in fact more

> > unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood

> etc...

> > of

> > course there are exceptions, but in general it can

> > be

> > said that bf'ing and other factors, such as

> healthy

> > lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also

> > contribute.

> > :-)

> > claudia

> >

> > --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote:

> > > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids

> are

> > > healthier... but there are a lot of other things

> > > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is

> > > extremely important, then eating healthy once

> the

> > > child has solids foods, and a healthy

> environment.

> > I

> > > don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments

> > and

> > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest

> life

> > > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't

> > > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed,

> eats

> > a

> > > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV

> > all

> > > day report in that their kids are just as sick

> as

> > > every one else's, ya know?

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__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

not all doctors are evil ........

no, they only do what they are taught to do, and many (not all) just DO NOT

, ever look outside of their little world.

I don'/t know if breastfeeding has everything to do with it, maybe none,

maybe a lot. I have a brother that at 18 had 4 lines written in his medical

chart. None of us were breastfed. I was sick from the time I was 3 on up.

I had measles and Mumps in 73, and was given the vax's in 75. Why? I have

no clue.

I have been to pediatricians in 3 different states (not to mention worked

for a group of 7 peds and 4 PNP's). They may not be evil, but they are

deceptive at best. Has any one of your pediatricians, ever told you that

you had the right to exempt your child? I was NEVER told that. I was

ALWAYS told that IT's The Law and told many patient's the same thing (man do

I feel like a jerk).

I have yet to meet an unvaccinated child with PE tubes in their ears.

Compare my 3 year old grandnephew with EVERY OTHER CHILD in my family

......... and up until he went to daycare a couple of months ago, he was the

healthiest child that I've ever met. Nothing more than congestion (he's a

huge milk drinker)

In defence of most parents, it's just because they don't know what is in the

vax that they are giving them to their children. Many won't care and just

do what the doc says.

I am NOT anti-vax, I am PRO INFORMATION. As parents, we should have the

right not to risk our own child's well being for the greater good of

mankind.

jmo

[Guest guest]

You must mean people in general. I'm from a

dsyfunctional home, but I don't want my children to

have problems. So that is why I question and make my

final choice thru information.

I'm glad to know that you weren't making hasty

judgments.

--- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

> i wasn't making any hasty judgements, carlena. :-)

> all i pointed out was that in general, parenting

> without vaccinating, or at least questioning

> vaccinations, goes along with a more natural

> lifestyle. imo, it has very little, if anything, to

> do

> with whether one lives in an apt or house, or

> whether

> kids go to a daycare or not. it is more a philosophy

> rather than a physical way of life.

> having lived in the states for 4 yrs, i did come

> across many different parents, and i found that it

> was

> mostly parents who were from dysfunctional families

> themselves, or were 2nd generation welfare

> recipients,

> that simply didn't care about bringing up their

> children. the only reason they let their children

> vaccinate was because otherwise, social services

> might

> question their motif and decide they don't care

> about

> their kids...

> :-)

> claudia

>

>

> --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...>

> wrote:

> > I

> > > " don't think kids who are cooped up in

> apartments

> > and

> > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest

> life

> > > style. "

> >

> > Wait a second on that statement ladies. My

> children

> > got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And

> we

> > live in apartment. We don't sit all day inside.

> > They

> > watch maybe one hour a night of TV ( 2 cartoons)

> and

> > and the weekend they watch a little more because

> > they

> > are aloud to watch certain edcuational programs

> that

> > go alittle longer then that. My kids really ever

> get

> > sick, overall we take good care to make sure that

> > they

> > eat right here and at daycare. Their daycare is

> on

> > the food program and they have taken great steps

> to

> > make sure that all they children are happy. My

> > daughter has been there since she was 9 months old

> > and

> > if hadn't been for Campus I don't know what I

> would

> > have done. Mason has been there since 6 weeks,

> they

> > were just as excitied with both of the kids when

> > they

> > took they're first steps you would have thought

> that

> > the kids were their kids. I've also seen chidlren

> > that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated

> > and

> > etc that are sicker more then my children.

> >

> > I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed

> > to,

> > the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with

> > each child, and the genes that play a factor into

> > what

> > a child will come down too.

> >

> > So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about

> a

> > lifestyle that you don't live in.

> >

> > Carlena

> > --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

> > > yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general,

> > > non-vaccinating parents are those who are more

> > > responsible, i think, so they are in fact more

> > > unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood

> > etc...

> > > of

> > > course there are exceptions, but in general it

> can

> > > be

> > > said that bf'ing and other factors, such as

> > healthy

> > > lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also

> > > contribute.

> > > :-)

> > > claudia

> > >

> > > --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote:

> > > > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids

> > are

> > > > healthier... but there are a lot of other

> things

> > > > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding

> is

> > > > extremely important, then eating healthy once

> > the

> > > > child has solids foods, and a healthy

> > environment.

> > > I

> > > > don't think kids who are cooped up in

> apartments

> > > and

> > > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest

> > life

> > > > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't

> > > > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed,

> > eats

> > > a

> > > > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches

> TV

> > > all

> > > > day report in that their kids are just as sick

> > as

> > > > every one else's, ya know?

>

>

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> what is essential is invisible to the eye.

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> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

My chidlren have never had the Hep B. and the reason

why they had ear infections is because like me they

have small ear canals. Prone to bacterial infections

when they get a cold. I always tried herbal remedies

first before it got to a point that she needed

antiobitcs..Then they always ate yogrt with it and

then would not have one forever. But the reason why

she needed them was because she started expericening

hearing loss. Now she's dine and hasn't been to the

docs expect for her 4yr checkup. Since she was two

only been in 2. Both were for yearly check ups.

Oh, no last year she had to go in because she had a

sinus infection, so okay three times.

--- Hjfasufi@... wrote:

> Well said ! The mention of ear tubes reminded

> me of something I posted a

> couple weeks back. A high percentage of kids develop

> reflux. I have been

> researching this. My 2.9 yr. old did not receive the

> Hep B until 5 weeks old.

> Prior to that he had no reflux. Hep B is started in

> a yeast base, I have

> found that many naturopaths, homeopaths believe that

> a high percentage of

> reflux is caused by yeast. The report I posted said

> researchers found

> peptides in the ear canal, because of reflux. Of

> course, the course of

> treatment recommended was prilosec or other

> PRESCRIPTION medications.

>

> Just keep shooting these kids up with vaccines, then

> make no connection with

> the physical problems. Keep the money coming in

> vaccines, in turn anti-acid

> meds. and the whole slew of physical ailments. The

> Pharmaceutical companies

> are sitting very pretty!

>

> Regards,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

But those same kids that are not in daycare will get

sick when they first start going to school. They're

immune system is not used to the new environment and

not very thing is do to bacteria.

Yes actually my peds doctor my son's anyways told me

that I would have to fill out a form since my son is

allergic to the DPT shot and not the DT. HE said that

in the future if I chose not to have vaccines then I

would have to fill out this form again.

In my experience with doctors, yes they may not know

everything, but if you point something out about it

they are willing to investgate it. SO I do count

myself lucky that the docs that I have had experince

with are willing to do that, because I do know that

some are not. They are willing to let me do the herbal

thing and see and if not better then they go in. But

at least I try everything I know and then go. They

have been on less antibo...then other chidlren that I

know.

I am pro information as well, that's why I joined this

group so that i may learn more information and make an

educational choice then an uninformed one.

--- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote:

> not all doctors are evil ........

>

> no, they only do what they are taught to do, and

> many (not all) just DO NOT

> , ever look outside of their little world.

>

> I don'/t know if breastfeeding has everything to do

> with it, maybe none,

> maybe a lot. I have a brother that at 18 had 4

> lines written in his medical

> chart. None of us were breastfed. I was sick from

> the time I was 3 on up.

> I had measles and Mumps in 73, and was given the

> vax's in 75. Why? I have

> no clue.

>

> I have been to pediatricians in 3 different states

> (not to mention worked

> for a group of 7 peds and 4 PNP's). They may not be

> evil, but they are

> deceptive at best. Has any one of your

> pediatricians, ever told you that

> you had the right to exempt your child? I was NEVER

> told that. I was

> ALWAYS told that IT's The Law and told many

> patient's the same thing (man do

> I feel like a jerk).

>

> I have yet to meet an unvaccinated child with PE

> tubes in their ears.

> Compare my 3 year old grandnephew with EVERY OTHER

> CHILD in my family

> ........ and up until he went to daycare a couple of

> months ago, he was the

> healthiest child that I've ever met. Nothing more

> than congestion (he's a

> huge milk drinker)

>

> In defence of most parents, it's just because they

> don't know what is in the

> vax that they are giving them to their children.

> Many won't care and just

> do what the doc says.

>

> I am NOT anti-vax, I am PRO INFORMATION. As

> parents, we should have the

> right not to risk our own child's well being for the

> greater good of

> mankind.

>

> jmo

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

sick when they first start going to school

just because a child doesn't go to daycare doesn' tmean that htey are

isolated. Also, something to think about. MANY parents that do not

vaccinate choose to homeschool for educational purposes as well as for not

having to deal with the govt in which they live telling them that their kids

can't go to school without them (which isn't the case).

My niece takes Evan to the office that I used to work at, and when she

reminds them every time (which she shouldn't have to do) that Evan will

remain unvax'd, they give her a hard time, and never even listen to what she

has to say. I worked for these people, I know that they don't go scoping

for what is " different " in their world. I think it's awesome that your docs

are willing to look in other directions that you send them, and accept tha

tyou don't follow only mainstream medicine. This is not the case for most

conventional doctors. Again, My oldest son has had so many physician

changes (because his dad's insurance has changed every year since he was 2)

I can safely say MOST docs will not go out of their way to find out about

vaccines. Partly because knowledge makes them liable.

When I first started investigating this, both of my sons were fully vax'd

through the 5 year vax. I had a really hard time thumbing through the scare

tactics to the information. I think Sheri's information on her site, is

about as straightforward as I've found without simply trying to scare a

parent to death.

best wishes in your search.

[Guest guest]

Carlena:

What you are explaining about your nephew and his family could be something

related to the Autistic spectrum. My 15 yr. old son has Asperger's Syndrome.

He is not social at all, and he would be more than happy to play video games

for 8 hours. That doesn't mean I let him.

I know a lot about Autistic Spectrum Disorders, and there is a prevalence of

it running in families. They really can't help it!

Maybe, you should consider this, before you put the whole family off as being

irresponsible.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Carlena:

Mistake meant to say brother not nephew!

[Guest guest]

That's true. For us homeschooling is not an option. I

am a sigle parent and around here. Either you go

public, private otr you teach your own child. I have

to work. Plus I am not discplinied enough to do it. I

have had freinds who are homeschool, didn't like how

they were teased. Just horrible from the nieghborhood

kids. Plus my step mom does it with my brother and

sister and she is doing them a diservice at the way

she is going about teaching them. Not consistent or

anything. Some do a really good job homeschooling and

others do not.

--- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote:

> sick when they first start going to school

>

> just because a child doesn't go to daycare doesn'

> tmean that htey are

> isolated. Also, something to think about. MANY

> parents that do not

> vaccinate choose to homeschool for educational

> purposes as well as for not

> having to deal with the govt in which they live

> telling them that their kids

> can't go to school without them (which isn't the

> case).

>

> My niece takes Evan to the office that I used to

> work at, and when she

> reminds them every time (which she shouldn't have to

> do) that Evan will

> remain unvax'd, they give her a hard time, and never

> even listen to what she

> has to say. I worked for these people, I know that

> they don't go scoping

> for what is " different " in their world. I think

> it's awesome that your docs

> are willing to look in other directions that you

> send them, and accept tha

> tyou don't follow only mainstream medicine. This is

> not the case for most

> conventional doctors. Again, My oldest son has had

> so many physician

> changes (because his dad's insurance has changed

> every year since he was 2)

> I can safely say MOST docs will not go out of their

> way to find out about

> vaccines. Partly because knowledge makes them

> liable.

>

> When I first started investigating this, both of my

> sons were fully vax'd

> through the 5 year vax. I had a really hard time

> thumbing through the scare

> tactics to the information. I think Sheri's

> information on her site, is

> about as straightforward as I've found without

> simply trying to scare a

> parent to death.

>

> best wishes in your search.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I just thought I'd mention that I believe breastmilk is NOT able to keep

babies from getting sick. Hey, did I just hear a huge gasp from the Group?!

What I mean to say is that I feel the damage inflicted by vaccines to the

immune system is sooo great that even God's liquid gold cannot undo it. So

yes, I don't believe it unusual at all for breastfed VACCINATED babies to

regularly get sick.

That being said though, I do believe that breastmilk does keep many

vaccinated babies from dying from the vaccines.

Kathleen

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In a message dated 2/22/2002 4:29:48 PM Central Standard Time,

summershart@... writes:

> Whatever.... You guys have your opinions and I have

> mine. My kids were breastfeed and they did not get

> sick that often. And I know other kids that were

> breastfed and got sick ALL the time. I think the

> doctors that my kids have are great ones. They have

> worked with with my daighter and seizures. If it

> wasn't for them I don't know what I would have done.

> ANd no before any of you say anything it wasn't do to

> shots. She was involved in a serious car accident with

> my mother and both suffer head trauma that resulted in

> seizures.

>

>

[Guest guest]

school life is getting more difficult

by the year it seams, and together with the aim to

take over control of the kids (having parents sign

forms to allow schools to take care of medical check

ups etc), more and more parents are favoring

homeschooling. and a lot of us parents still have to

learn not to put too much value on what the neighbours

think, too. :-))

claudia

I've always felt this way claudia! Nice to know I'm not the only one. As far

as any of my kids getting medical exams in school, forget it!

PS: I read a great post today on another list. I'm going to forward it.

[Guest guest]

that is rather judgmental, carlena. how do you know

your step mom is doing the children a 'diservice' as

you put it? because you don't agree with the way they

are taught, or even 'unschooled'? being teased or not

has nothing to do with homeschooling. if they weren't

homeschooled, they'd get teased at school for

something else. the children must gain

self-confidence, only that will stop them being teased

or worse, bullied.

jmo

:-)

claudia

--- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote:

> That's true. For us homeschooling is not an option.

> I

> am a sigle parent and around here. Either you go

> public, private otr you teach your own child. I

> have

> to work. Plus I am not discplinied enough to do it.

> I

> have had freinds who are homeschool, didn't like how

> they were teased. Just horrible from the

> nieghborhood

> kids. Plus my step mom does it with my brother and

> sister and she is doing them a diservice at the way

> she is going about teaching them. Not consistent or

> anything. Some do a really good job homeschooling

> and

> others do not.

> --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote:

> > sick when they first start going to school

> >

> > just because a child doesn't go to daycare doesn'

> > tmean that htey are

> > isolated. Also, something to think about. MANY

> > parents that do not

> > vaccinate choose to homeschool for educational

> > purposes as well as for not

> > having to deal with the govt in which they live

> > telling them that their kids

> > can't go to school without them (which isn't the

> > case).

> >

> > My niece takes Evan to the office that I used to

> > work at, and when she

> > reminds them every time (which she shouldn't have

> to

> > do) that Evan will

> > remain unvax'd, they give her a hard time, and

> never

> > even listen to what she

> > has to say. I worked for these people, I know

> that

> > they don't go scoping

> > for what is " different " in their world. I think

> > it's awesome that your docs

> > are willing to look in other directions that you

> > send them, and accept tha

> > tyou don't follow only mainstream medicine. This

> is

> > not the case for most

> > conventional doctors. Again, My oldest son has

> had

> > so many physician

> > changes (because his dad's insurance has changed

> > every year since he was 2)

> > I can safely say MOST docs will not go out of

> their

> > way to find out about

> > vaccines. Partly because knowledge makes them

> > liable.

> >

> > When I first started investigating this, both of

> my

> > sons were fully vax'd

> > through the 5 year vax. I had a really hard time

> > thumbing through the scare

> > tactics to the information. I think Sheri's

> > information on her site, is

> > about as straightforward as I've found without

> > simply trying to scare a

> > parent to death.

> >

> > best wishes in your search.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I think Carlena has some good points. I live in an

apartment too, and my child has gone to daycare

at a wonderful woman's house for nearly her entire

life. She is my daughters honorary " Abuelita " . I did

not have the luxury of being able to stay home with

her, nor did I ever get to breastfeed. And we eat

junkfood and watch crappy movies and cartoons

sometimes too.

We also do homework, go to her Cross-Country meets

and her Tae-Kwon-Do training and competitions. She is

on the last leg of her training for her Black Belt. She

also has art classes, computer classes, and special classes

to help with various aspects of her learning disabilities.

So maybe this isn't the healthiest lifestyle. But it is the

best we can do.

Carley

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From: carlena seepgaither <summershart@...>

Subject: Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations

I

> " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments

and

> daycare all day are in living the healthiest life

> style. "

Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children

got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we

live in apartment. <snip> I've also seen chidlren

that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated and

etc that are sicker more then my children.

I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed to,

the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with

each child, and the genes that play a factor into what

a child will come down too.

So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a

lifestyle that you don't live in.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carley,

We all can only we the best we can do in our

individual situations. Its funny isn't it how parents

are so quick to point out the badness of daycares, and

daycare centers are. That the chidlren are somehow

being neglected. But yet no one seems to care that you

can be just as neglected by staying at home with mommy

or daddy if they really don't care what you do. At

least knowing that I have to work(personally if I

didn't have to I still would...gives methat adult time

too.) that at least my children are in a center that

cares for them, loves them, cheers them on when they

try something and gives them hugs if they get ochies.

I have no fears about leaving them there. Their center

has been my strong hold as well as my children's. I'm

so glad that I listened to my guy instinct about it.

I think that its important that we has parents unite

on topics and not fight among ourselves. There are

certain issuses that are personally and should be left

that way. Then there are others like the saftey of ALL

children and their health that we should unite. We

need to unite on their education and things like that.

--- Carley Covell-Vidriales <carleycv@...>

wrote:

> I think Carlena has some good points. I live in an

> apartment too, and my child has gone to daycare

> at a wonderful woman's house for nearly her entire

> life. She is my daughters honorary " Abuelita " . I did

> not have the luxury of being able to stay home with

> her, nor did I ever get to breastfeed. And we eat

> junkfood and watch crappy movies and cartoons

> sometimes too.

>

> We also do homework, go to her Cross-Country meets

> and her Tae-Kwon-Do training and competitions. She

> is

> on the last leg of her training for her Black Belt.

> She

> also has art classes, computer classes, and special

> classes

> to help with various aspects of her learning

> disabilities.

>

> So maybe this isn't the healthiest lifestyle. But it

> is the

> best we can do.

>

> Carley

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> From: carlena seepgaither <summershart@...>

> Subject: Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations

>

> I

> > " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments

> and

> > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life

> > style. "

>

> Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children

> got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we

> live in apartment. <snip> I've also seen chidlren

> that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated

> and

> etc that are sicker more then my children.

>

> I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed

> to,

> the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with

> each child, and the genes that play a factor into

> what

> a child will come down too.

>

> So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a

> lifestyle that you don't live in.

>

>

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