Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 In a message dated 2/21/02 4:19:24 PM GTB Standard Time, Hjfasufi@... writes: << It was actually on my late local news last night, for all of 25 seconds. IOM say vaccine do not cause diabetes, but could be linked to asthma. >> My local news only said the study/research showed that mulitple vaccinations are totally safe and babies could.....ekkkk......handle even more if needed!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there is no link to diabetes, they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear infections and colds ........ <sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out of their asses....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 >suppose we'll ever get their heads out of their asses....? < LMAO!! Doubt it though, seems it's too comfy n cosy in there. Suzanne dd Ruby 2.8yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 maybe we should ALL keep a record of our kids' illnesses throughout childhood... like dd, who's partially vax'ed was sick (fever, flu, ear infections etc etc) 21 times between birth and age 4 yrs 6 months. ds is 4 yrs 3 months, unvax'ed and has just had his first flu which he got over in 2 1/2 days, with no treatment apart from plenty of reiki. the first and only other 'illness' he had was chickenpox a day after his 1st birthday which only lasted a few days. maybe we should all compare the records between vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the media... since the pharma co's get away with calling anything involving more than about 20 kids comparable studies, we should definitely get away with that, considering the amount of people on this list.... ??? claudia --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there is > no link to diabetes, > they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear > infections and colds ........ > > <sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out of > their asses....? > > > > > ===== see our new website! take part in our poll!!! http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 That's a good idea. But I don't remember the exact amt. That Shelby cam down with ear infections. She ended up with tubes, much to my and the her peds. doctor's disappoinment Carlena --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > maybe we should ALL keep a record of our kids' > illnesses throughout childhood... like dd, who's > partially vax'ed was sick (fever, flu, ear > infections > etc etc) 21 times between birth and age 4 yrs 6 > months. ds is 4 yrs 3 months, unvax'ed and has just > had his first flu which he got over in 2 1/2 days, > with no treatment apart from plenty of reiki. the > first and only other 'illness' he had was chickenpox > a > day after his 1st birthday which only lasted a few > days. maybe we should all compare the records > between > vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the media... > since the pharma co's get away with calling anything > involving more than about 20 kids comparable > studies, > we should definitely get away with that, considering > the amount of people on this list.... > ??? > claudia > > --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > > today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there > is > > no link to diabetes, > > they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear > > infections and colds ........ > > > > <sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out of > > their asses....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > see our new website! take part in our poll!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm > > > It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; > what is essential is invisible to the eye. > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 I think there are probably too many other compounding factors unfortunately... my first son was vaccinated, but hardly ever got sick (as in I can probably still count on just two hands the number of times he's ever really been sick and he's 4 1/2 now). But he was also completely breastfed, and nursed until he was 2 1/2. My second son is 18 months now, and has only been sick twice. Again, totally breastfed but not vaccinated at all. We also don't do well baby visits (he'd never been to a doctor), which I think helps A TON!! With my first, he seemed to pick up a little bug every time we went in for a well visit (talk about an oxymoron). Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are healthier... but there are a lot of other things that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is extremely important, then eating healthy once the child has solids foods, and a healthy environment. I don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and daycare all day are in living the healthiest life style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats a ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV all day report in that their kids are just as sick as every one else's, ya know? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: carlena seepgaither maybe we should all compare the records > between > vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the media... > since the pharma co's get away with calling anything > involving more than about 20 kids comparable > studies, > we should definitely get away with that, considering > the amount of people on this list.... > ??? > claudia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 a rough estimate will do. i'm pretty sure that there is a vast difference in the number of times a little one gets sick between vaxed and unvaxed. just to show a point to the public. question is, would any paper dare publish it... :-) claudia --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote: > That's a good idea. But I don't remember the exact > amt. That Shelby cam down with ear infections. She > ended up with tubes, much to my and the her peds. > doctor's disappoinment > Carlena > --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > > maybe we should ALL keep a record of our kids' > > illnesses throughout childhood... like dd, who's > > partially vax'ed was sick (fever, flu, ear > > infections > > etc etc) 21 times between birth and age 4 yrs 6 > > months. ds is 4 yrs 3 months, unvax'ed and has > just > > had his first flu which he got over in 2 1/2 days, > > with no treatment apart from plenty of reiki. the > > first and only other 'illness' he had was > chickenpox > > a > > day after his 1st birthday which only lasted a few > > days. maybe we should all compare the records > > between > > vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the > media... > > since the pharma co's get away with calling > anything > > involving more than about 20 kids comparable > > studies, > > we should definitely get away with that, > considering > > the amount of people on this list.... > > ??? > > claudia > > > > --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > > > today here at 1130 ish, the news said that there > > is > > > no link to diabetes, > > > they are safe, and that it DOES NOT cause ear > > > infections and colds ........ > > > > > > <sigh> suppose we'll ever get their heads out > of > > > their asses....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > see our new website! take part in our poll!!! > > > http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm > > > > > > It is only with the heart that one can see > rightly; > > what is essential is invisible to the eye. > > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general, non-vaccinating parents are those who are more responsible, i think, so they are in fact more unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood etc... of course there are exceptions, but in general it can be said that bf'ing and other factors, such as healthy lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also contribute. :-) claudia --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are > healthier... but there are a lot of other things > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is > extremely important, then eating healthy once the > child has solids foods, and a healthy environment. I > don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats a > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV all > day report in that their kids are just as sick as > every one else's, ya know? ===== see our new website! take part in our poll!!! http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Well said ! The mention of ear tubes reminded me of something I posted a couple weeks back. A high percentage of kids develop reflux. I have been researching this. My 2.9 yr. old did not receive the Hep B until 5 weeks old. Prior to that he had no reflux. Hep B is started in a yeast base, I have found that many naturopaths, homeopaths believe that a high percentage of reflux is caused by yeast. The report I posted said researchers found peptides in the ear canal, because of reflux. Of course, the course of treatment recommended was prilosec or other PRESCRIPTION medications. Just keep shooting these kids up with vaccines, then make no connection with the physical problems. Keep the money coming in vaccines, in turn anti-acid meds. and the whole slew of physical ailments. The Pharmaceutical companies are sitting very pretty! Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I > " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life > style. " Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we live in apartment. We don't sit all day inside. They watch maybe one hour a night of TV ( 2 cartoons) and and the weekend they watch a little more because they are aloud to watch certain edcuational programs that go alittle longer then that. My kids really ever get sick, overall we take good care to make sure that they eat right here and at daycare. Their daycare is on the food program and they have taken great steps to make sure that all they children are happy. My daughter has been there since she was 9 months old and if hadn't been for Campus I don't know what I would have done. Mason has been there since 6 weeks, they were just as excitied with both of the kids when they took they're first steps you would have thought that the kids were their kids. I've also seen chidlren that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated and etc that are sicker more then my children. I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed to, the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with each child, and the genes that play a factor into what a child will come down too. So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a lifestyle that you don't live in. Carlena --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general, > non-vaccinating parents are those who are more > responsible, i think, so they are in fact more > unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood etc... > of > course there are exceptions, but in general it can > be > said that bf'ing and other factors, such as healthy > lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also > contribute. > :-) > claudia > > --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are > > healthier... but there are a lot of other things > > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is > > extremely important, then eating healthy once the > > child has solids foods, and a healthy environment. > I > > don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments > and > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life > > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't > > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats > a > > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV > all > > day report in that their kids are just as sick as > > every one else's, ya know? > > > ===== > see our new website! take part in our poll!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm > > > It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; > what is essential is invisible to the eye. > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 We also don't do well baby visits WE do the baby well visits and the kids have never gotten sick from going in there. They have a different opening to the clinic for the well chidlren and the sick children. The peds doc is there for the morning and then he/she takes care of the rest of the children (sick ones) in the afternoon. But I don't think Breastfeeding has anything to do with it, I think it helps to prevent sickness but not competely. Both of my kids were breastfed till they were one and SHelby got sick more times then I can count and Mason did not. But when their 1st birthday came and went. They now have been sick 2 times maybe three( maybe one of those times is bad enough to go in) and the rest of the year they are fine. Only go in for baby well visits. You know not all doctors are evil...why does it seem like you guys are acting that everyone of them is evil? Carlena --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > I think there are probably too many other > compounding factors unfortunately... my first son > was vaccinated, but hardly ever got sick (as in I > can probably still count on just two hands the > number of times he's ever really been sick and he's > 4 1/2 now). But he was also completely breastfed, > and nursed until he was 2 1/2. > > My second son is 18 months now, and has only been > sick twice. Again, totally breastfed but not > vaccinated at all. We also don't do well baby visits > (he'd never been to a doctor), which I think helps A > TON!! > > With my first, he seemed to pick up a little bug > every time we went in for a well visit (talk about > an oxymoron). > > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids are > healthier... but there are a lot of other things > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is > extremely important, then eating healthy once the > child has solids foods, and a healthy environment. I > don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, eats a > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV all > day report in that their kids are just as sick as > every one else's, ya know? > > > Liz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: carlena seepgaither > maybe we should all compare the records > > between > > vax'ed and unvax'ed kids and fwd it to the > media... > > since the pharma co's get away with calling > anything > > involving more than about 20 kids comparable > > studies, > > we should definitely get away with that, > considering > > the amount of people on this list.... > > ??? > > claudia > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 i wasn't making any hasty judgements, carlena. :-) all i pointed out was that in general, parenting without vaccinating, or at least questioning vaccinations, goes along with a more natural lifestyle. imo, it has very little, if anything, to do with whether one lives in an apt or house, or whether kids go to a daycare or not. it is more a philosophy rather than a physical way of life. having lived in the states for 4 yrs, i did come across many different parents, and i found that it was mostly parents who were from dysfunctional families themselves, or were 2nd generation welfare recipients, that simply didn't care about bringing up their children. the only reason they let their children vaccinate was because otherwise, social services might question their motif and decide they don't care about their kids... :-) claudia --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote: > I > > " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments > and > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life > > style. " > > Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children > got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we > live in apartment. We don't sit all day inside. > They > watch maybe one hour a night of TV ( 2 cartoons) and > and the weekend they watch a little more because > they > are aloud to watch certain edcuational programs that > go alittle longer then that. My kids really ever get > sick, overall we take good care to make sure that > they > eat right here and at daycare. Their daycare is on > the food program and they have taken great steps to > make sure that all they children are happy. My > daughter has been there since she was 9 months old > and > if hadn't been for Campus I don't know what I would > have done. Mason has been there since 6 weeks, they > were just as excitied with both of the kids when > they > took they're first steps you would have thought that > the kids were their kids. I've also seen chidlren > that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated > and > etc that are sicker more then my children. > > I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed > to, > the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with > each child, and the genes that play a factor into > what > a child will come down too. > > So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a > lifestyle that you don't live in. > > Carlena > --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > > yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general, > > non-vaccinating parents are those who are more > > responsible, i think, so they are in fact more > > unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood > etc... > > of > > course there are exceptions, but in general it can > > be > > said that bf'ing and other factors, such as > healthy > > lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also > > contribute. > > :-) > > claudia > > > > --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > > > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids > are > > > healthier... but there are a lot of other things > > > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding is > > > extremely important, then eating healthy once > the > > > child has solids foods, and a healthy > environment. > > I > > > don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments > > and > > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest > life > > > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't > > > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, > eats > > a > > > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches TV > > all > > > day report in that their kids are just as sick > as > > > every one else's, ya know? ===== see our new website! take part in our poll!!! http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm and http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/pollpage.htm It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 not all doctors are evil ........ no, they only do what they are taught to do, and many (not all) just DO NOT , ever look outside of their little world. I don'/t know if breastfeeding has everything to do with it, maybe none, maybe a lot. I have a brother that at 18 had 4 lines written in his medical chart. None of us were breastfed. I was sick from the time I was 3 on up. I had measles and Mumps in 73, and was given the vax's in 75. Why? I have no clue. I have been to pediatricians in 3 different states (not to mention worked for a group of 7 peds and 4 PNP's). They may not be evil, but they are deceptive at best. Has any one of your pediatricians, ever told you that you had the right to exempt your child? I was NEVER told that. I was ALWAYS told that IT's The Law and told many patient's the same thing (man do I feel like a jerk). I have yet to meet an unvaccinated child with PE tubes in their ears. Compare my 3 year old grandnephew with EVERY OTHER CHILD in my family ......... and up until he went to daycare a couple of months ago, he was the healthiest child that I've ever met. Nothing more than congestion (he's a huge milk drinker) In defence of most parents, it's just because they don't know what is in the vax that they are giving them to their children. Many won't care and just do what the doc says. I am NOT anti-vax, I am PRO INFORMATION. As parents, we should have the right not to risk our own child's well being for the greater good of mankind. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 You must mean people in general. I'm from a dsyfunctional home, but I don't want my children to have problems. So that is why I question and make my final choice thru information. I'm glad to know that you weren't making hasty judgments. --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > i wasn't making any hasty judgements, carlena. :-) > all i pointed out was that in general, parenting > without vaccinating, or at least questioning > vaccinations, goes along with a more natural > lifestyle. imo, it has very little, if anything, to > do > with whether one lives in an apt or house, or > whether > kids go to a daycare or not. it is more a philosophy > rather than a physical way of life. > having lived in the states for 4 yrs, i did come > across many different parents, and i found that it > was > mostly parents who were from dysfunctional families > themselves, or were 2nd generation welfare > recipients, > that simply didn't care about bringing up their > children. the only reason they let their children > vaccinate was because otherwise, social services > might > question their motif and decide they don't care > about > their kids... > :-) > claudia > > > --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> > wrote: > > I > > > " don't think kids who are cooped up in > apartments > > and > > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest > life > > > style. " > > > > Wait a second on that statement ladies. My > children > > got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And > we > > live in apartment. We don't sit all day inside. > > They > > watch maybe one hour a night of TV ( 2 cartoons) > and > > and the weekend they watch a little more because > > they > > are aloud to watch certain edcuational programs > that > > go alittle longer then that. My kids really ever > get > > sick, overall we take good care to make sure that > > they > > eat right here and at daycare. Their daycare is > on > > the food program and they have taken great steps > to > > make sure that all they children are happy. My > > daughter has been there since she was 9 months old > > and > > if hadn't been for Campus I don't know what I > would > > have done. Mason has been there since 6 weeks, > they > > were just as excitied with both of the kids when > > they > > took they're first steps you would have thought > that > > the kids were their kids. I've also seen chidlren > > that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated > > and > > etc that are sicker more then my children. > > > > I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed > > to, > > the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with > > each child, and the genes that play a factor into > > what > > a child will come down too. > > > > So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about > a > > lifestyle that you don't live in. > > > > Carlena > > --- saraavi ranch <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > > > yep, liz, i see what you mean. but in general, > > > non-vaccinating parents are those who are more > > > responsible, i think, so they are in fact more > > > unlikely to watch tv all day or eat junkfood > > etc... > > > of > > > course there are exceptions, but in general it > can > > > be > > > said that bf'ing and other factors, such as > > healthy > > > lifestyle, attachment sleeping etc will also > > > contribute. > > > :-) > > > claudia > > > > > > --- " Liz A. " <sandoz@...> wrote: > > > > Anyway... I agree 100% that unvaccinated kids > > are > > > > healthier... but there are a lot of other > things > > > > that go into 'health'. I think breastfeeding > is > > > > extremely important, then eating healthy once > > the > > > > child has solids foods, and a healthy > > environment. > > > I > > > > don't think kids who are cooped up in > apartments > > > and > > > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest > > life > > > > style. I'd hate to see someone who doesn't > > > > vaccinate... but who also doesn't breastfeed, > > eats > > > a > > > > ton of junk food, and sits around and watches > TV > > > all > > > > day report in that their kids are just as sick > > as > > > > every one else's, ya know? > > > ===== > see our new website! take part in our poll!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/allopathic.htm > and > http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/pollpage.htm > > It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; > what is essential is invisible to the eye. > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 My chidlren have never had the Hep B. and the reason why they had ear infections is because like me they have small ear canals. Prone to bacterial infections when they get a cold. I always tried herbal remedies first before it got to a point that she needed antiobitcs..Then they always ate yogrt with it and then would not have one forever. But the reason why she needed them was because she started expericening hearing loss. Now she's dine and hasn't been to the docs expect for her 4yr checkup. Since she was two only been in 2. Both were for yearly check ups. Oh, no last year she had to go in because she had a sinus infection, so okay three times. --- Hjfasufi@... wrote: > Well said ! The mention of ear tubes reminded > me of something I posted a > couple weeks back. A high percentage of kids develop > reflux. I have been > researching this. My 2.9 yr. old did not receive the > Hep B until 5 weeks old. > Prior to that he had no reflux. Hep B is started in > a yeast base, I have > found that many naturopaths, homeopaths believe that > a high percentage of > reflux is caused by yeast. The report I posted said > researchers found > peptides in the ear canal, because of reflux. Of > course, the course of > treatment recommended was prilosec or other > PRESCRIPTION medications. > > Just keep shooting these kids up with vaccines, then > make no connection with > the physical problems. Keep the money coming in > vaccines, in turn anti-acid > meds. and the whole slew of physical ailments. The > Pharmaceutical companies > are sitting very pretty! > > Regards, > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 But those same kids that are not in daycare will get sick when they first start going to school. They're immune system is not used to the new environment and not very thing is do to bacteria. Yes actually my peds doctor my son's anyways told me that I would have to fill out a form since my son is allergic to the DPT shot and not the DT. HE said that in the future if I chose not to have vaccines then I would have to fill out this form again. In my experience with doctors, yes they may not know everything, but if you point something out about it they are willing to investgate it. SO I do count myself lucky that the docs that I have had experince with are willing to do that, because I do know that some are not. They are willing to let me do the herbal thing and see and if not better then they go in. But at least I try everything I know and then go. They have been on less antibo...then other chidlren that I know. I am pro information as well, that's why I joined this group so that i may learn more information and make an educational choice then an uninformed one. --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > not all doctors are evil ........ > > no, they only do what they are taught to do, and > many (not all) just DO NOT > , ever look outside of their little world. > > I don'/t know if breastfeeding has everything to do > with it, maybe none, > maybe a lot. I have a brother that at 18 had 4 > lines written in his medical > chart. None of us were breastfed. I was sick from > the time I was 3 on up. > I had measles and Mumps in 73, and was given the > vax's in 75. Why? I have > no clue. > > I have been to pediatricians in 3 different states > (not to mention worked > for a group of 7 peds and 4 PNP's). They may not be > evil, but they are > deceptive at best. Has any one of your > pediatricians, ever told you that > you had the right to exempt your child? I was NEVER > told that. I was > ALWAYS told that IT's The Law and told many > patient's the same thing (man do > I feel like a jerk). > > I have yet to meet an unvaccinated child with PE > tubes in their ears. > Compare my 3 year old grandnephew with EVERY OTHER > CHILD in my family > ........ and up until he went to daycare a couple of > months ago, he was the > healthiest child that I've ever met. Nothing more > than congestion (he's a > huge milk drinker) > > In defence of most parents, it's just because they > don't know what is in the > vax that they are giving them to their children. > Many won't care and just > do what the doc says. > > I am NOT anti-vax, I am PRO INFORMATION. As > parents, we should have the > right not to risk our own child's well being for the > greater good of > mankind. > > jmo > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 sick when they first start going to school just because a child doesn't go to daycare doesn' tmean that htey are isolated. Also, something to think about. MANY parents that do not vaccinate choose to homeschool for educational purposes as well as for not having to deal with the govt in which they live telling them that their kids can't go to school without them (which isn't the case). My niece takes Evan to the office that I used to work at, and when she reminds them every time (which she shouldn't have to do) that Evan will remain unvax'd, they give her a hard time, and never even listen to what she has to say. I worked for these people, I know that they don't go scoping for what is " different " in their world. I think it's awesome that your docs are willing to look in other directions that you send them, and accept tha tyou don't follow only mainstream medicine. This is not the case for most conventional doctors. Again, My oldest son has had so many physician changes (because his dad's insurance has changed every year since he was 2) I can safely say MOST docs will not go out of their way to find out about vaccines. Partly because knowledge makes them liable. When I first started investigating this, both of my sons were fully vax'd through the 5 year vax. I had a really hard time thumbing through the scare tactics to the information. I think Sheri's information on her site, is about as straightforward as I've found without simply trying to scare a parent to death. best wishes in your search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Carlena: What you are explaining about your nephew and his family could be something related to the Autistic spectrum. My 15 yr. old son has Asperger's Syndrome. He is not social at all, and he would be more than happy to play video games for 8 hours. That doesn't mean I let him. I know a lot about Autistic Spectrum Disorders, and there is a prevalence of it running in families. They really can't help it! Maybe, you should consider this, before you put the whole family off as being irresponsible. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Carlena: Mistake meant to say brother not nephew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 That's true. For us homeschooling is not an option. I am a sigle parent and around here. Either you go public, private otr you teach your own child. I have to work. Plus I am not discplinied enough to do it. I have had freinds who are homeschool, didn't like how they were teased. Just horrible from the nieghborhood kids. Plus my step mom does it with my brother and sister and she is doing them a diservice at the way she is going about teaching them. Not consistent or anything. Some do a really good job homeschooling and others do not. --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > sick when they first start going to school > > just because a child doesn't go to daycare doesn' > tmean that htey are > isolated. Also, something to think about. MANY > parents that do not > vaccinate choose to homeschool for educational > purposes as well as for not > having to deal with the govt in which they live > telling them that their kids > can't go to school without them (which isn't the > case). > > My niece takes Evan to the office that I used to > work at, and when she > reminds them every time (which she shouldn't have to > do) that Evan will > remain unvax'd, they give her a hard time, and never > even listen to what she > has to say. I worked for these people, I know that > they don't go scoping > for what is " different " in their world. I think > it's awesome that your docs > are willing to look in other directions that you > send them, and accept tha > tyou don't follow only mainstream medicine. This is > not the case for most > conventional doctors. Again, My oldest son has had > so many physician > changes (because his dad's insurance has changed > every year since he was 2) > I can safely say MOST docs will not go out of their > way to find out about > vaccines. Partly because knowledge makes them > liable. > > When I first started investigating this, both of my > sons were fully vax'd > through the 5 year vax. I had a really hard time > thumbing through the scare > tactics to the information. I think Sheri's > information on her site, is > about as straightforward as I've found without > simply trying to scare a > parent to death. > > best wishes in your search. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I just thought I'd mention that I believe breastmilk is NOT able to keep babies from getting sick. Hey, did I just hear a huge gasp from the Group?! What I mean to say is that I feel the damage inflicted by vaccines to the immune system is sooo great that even God's liquid gold cannot undo it. So yes, I don't believe it unusual at all for breastfed VACCINATED babies to regularly get sick. That being said though, I do believe that breastmilk does keep many vaccinated babies from dying from the vaccines. Kathleen Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >VaccineWebsite.com</A> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm <A HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " >Vaccination Information & Choice Network - Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization Dangers</A> www.vaccinationnews.com <A HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/ " >New Page 1</A> " May as well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the worth of vaccination. " ~ Bernard Shaw In a message dated 2/22/2002 4:29:48 PM Central Standard Time, summershart@... writes: > Whatever.... You guys have your opinions and I have > mine. My kids were breastfeed and they did not get > sick that often. And I know other kids that were > breastfed and got sick ALL the time. I think the > doctors that my kids have are great ones. They have > worked with with my daighter and seizures. If it > wasn't for them I don't know what I would have done. > ANd no before any of you say anything it wasn't do to > shots. She was involved in a serious car accident with > my mother and both suffer head trauma that resulted in > seizures. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 school life is getting more difficult by the year it seams, and together with the aim to take over control of the kids (having parents sign forms to allow schools to take care of medical check ups etc), more and more parents are favoring homeschooling. and a lot of us parents still have to learn not to put too much value on what the neighbours think, too. :-)) claudia I've always felt this way claudia! Nice to know I'm not the only one. As far as any of my kids getting medical exams in school, forget it! PS: I read a great post today on another list. I'm going to forward it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 that is rather judgmental, carlena. how do you know your step mom is doing the children a 'diservice' as you put it? because you don't agree with the way they are taught, or even 'unschooled'? being teased or not has nothing to do with homeschooling. if they weren't homeschooled, they'd get teased at school for something else. the children must gain self-confidence, only that will stop them being teased or worse, bullied. jmo :-) claudia --- carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> wrote: > That's true. For us homeschooling is not an option. > I > am a sigle parent and around here. Either you go > public, private otr you teach your own child. I > have > to work. Plus I am not discplinied enough to do it. > I > have had freinds who are homeschool, didn't like how > they were teased. Just horrible from the > nieghborhood > kids. Plus my step mom does it with my brother and > sister and she is doing them a diservice at the way > she is going about teaching them. Not consistent or > anything. Some do a really good job homeschooling > and > others do not. > --- in IL <tgdamron@...> wrote: > > sick when they first start going to school > > > > just because a child doesn't go to daycare doesn' > > tmean that htey are > > isolated. Also, something to think about. MANY > > parents that do not > > vaccinate choose to homeschool for educational > > purposes as well as for not > > having to deal with the govt in which they live > > telling them that their kids > > can't go to school without them (which isn't the > > case). > > > > My niece takes Evan to the office that I used to > > work at, and when she > > reminds them every time (which she shouldn't have > to > > do) that Evan will > > remain unvax'd, they give her a hard time, and > never > > even listen to what she > > has to say. I worked for these people, I know > that > > they don't go scoping > > for what is " different " in their world. I think > > it's awesome that your docs > > are willing to look in other directions that you > > send them, and accept tha > > tyou don't follow only mainstream medicine. This > is > > not the case for most > > conventional doctors. Again, My oldest son has > had > > so many physician > > changes (because his dad's insurance has changed > > every year since he was 2) > > I can safely say MOST docs will not go out of > their > > way to find out about > > vaccines. Partly because knowledge makes them > > liable. > > > > When I first started investigating this, both of > my > > sons were fully vax'd > > through the 5 year vax. I had a really hard time > > thumbing through the scare > > tactics to the information. I think Sheri's > > information on her site, is > > about as straightforward as I've found without > > simply trying to scare a > > parent to death. > > > > best wishes in your search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I think Carlena has some good points. I live in an apartment too, and my child has gone to daycare at a wonderful woman's house for nearly her entire life. She is my daughters honorary " Abuelita " . I did not have the luxury of being able to stay home with her, nor did I ever get to breastfeed. And we eat junkfood and watch crappy movies and cartoons sometimes too. We also do homework, go to her Cross-Country meets and her Tae-Kwon-Do training and competitions. She is on the last leg of her training for her Black Belt. She also has art classes, computer classes, and special classes to help with various aspects of her learning disabilities. So maybe this isn't the healthiest lifestyle. But it is the best we can do. Carley ------------------------------------ From: carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> Subject: Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations I > " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments and > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life > style. " Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we live in apartment. <snip> I've also seen chidlren that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated and etc that are sicker more then my children. I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed to, the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with each child, and the genes that play a factor into what a child will come down too. So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a lifestyle that you don't live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Thanks Carley, We all can only we the best we can do in our individual situations. Its funny isn't it how parents are so quick to point out the badness of daycares, and daycare centers are. That the chidlren are somehow being neglected. But yet no one seems to care that you can be just as neglected by staying at home with mommy or daddy if they really don't care what you do. At least knowing that I have to work(personally if I didn't have to I still would...gives methat adult time too.) that at least my children are in a center that cares for them, loves them, cheers them on when they try something and gives them hugs if they get ochies. I have no fears about leaving them there. Their center has been my strong hold as well as my children's. I'm so glad that I listened to my guy instinct about it. I think that its important that we has parents unite on topics and not fight among ourselves. There are certain issuses that are personally and should be left that way. Then there are others like the saftey of ALL children and their health that we should unite. We need to unite on their education and things like that. --- Carley Covell-Vidriales <carleycv@...> wrote: > I think Carlena has some good points. I live in an > apartment too, and my child has gone to daycare > at a wonderful woman's house for nearly her entire > life. She is my daughters honorary " Abuelita " . I did > not have the luxury of being able to stay home with > her, nor did I ever get to breastfeed. And we eat > junkfood and watch crappy movies and cartoons > sometimes too. > > We also do homework, go to her Cross-Country meets > and her Tae-Kwon-Do training and competitions. She > is > on the last leg of her training for her Black Belt. > She > also has art classes, computer classes, and special > classes > to help with various aspects of her learning > disabilities. > > So maybe this isn't the healthiest lifestyle. But it > is the > best we can do. > > Carley > > ------------------------------------ > > From: carlena seepgaither <summershart@...> > Subject: Re: Report Backs Infant Vaccinations > > I > > " don't think kids who are cooped up in apartments > and > > daycare all day are in living the healthiest life > > style. " > > Wait a second on that statement ladies. My children > got to a great daycare! The best in the area. And we > live in apartment. <snip> I've also seen chidlren > that are not in daycares, in homes, not vaccinated > and > etc that are sicker more then my children. > > I think it's the lifestyle that a child is exposed > to, > the nuturing that a parent or caregiver takes with > each child, and the genes that play a factor into > what > a child will come down too. > > So don't be so fast to ,make hasty judgments about a > lifestyle that you don't live in. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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