Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 3:36:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cmagnussen@... writes: > Farm life is not the place for a kid with Pica, that's for sure. LOLOL Cheryl. I would guess not. But then, city life isn't much better. Miss Maddie escaped on Sunday while I was searching for her sneakers. Duff heard the door and ran to find her heading right for the car tires (she likes to lick them). He said, if it weren't for the fact that we REALLY don't want her munching on ROAD KILL, having the car there would work as a good deterent from running away.....;-) BTW, pica is found often in kids with autism. Dont' know the stats, just know that there's a correlation. Donna P.S. Maddie is queen of the line ups now. She is lining up EVERYTHING. The kids think it's a riot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 What is Pica? Sorry new to this. But my daughter licks everything to. She thinks it is funny when I reprimand her. I ll try to look it up. Diane (mom to Rochelle 5ds and Danny 7) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 At 04:29 AM 10/9/01 -0000, you wrote: \he did not >want to discuss about it . ROFL!!! well, I wouldn't want to talk about it either you know. What's he mad about? a side note. I know a young man, age 30, who is quite well-known and has DS-only. He lives on his own and works at an ARC. He is quite capable if he focuses. But he has increasing sleep apnea issues secondary to weight gain (though he's not huge). Anyway. When he's upset with himself or depressed, he cuts his hair. Just takes the scissors and cuts square chunks off of his head. Looks hideous. Once he shaved one side of his head. Just one side. Once he cut his eybrows with scissors (that was odd looking). But it's always related to a problem he can't solve so he engages in negative self-talk and ends up with this form of self-mutilation. This is often accompanied by poor job performance (falling asleep in meetings), poor housekeeping (they've threatened to evict him a few times), and so on. He just goes down this negative spiral and has trouble picking himself back up. Just thought I'd share. Maybe this guy ate the eyebrows b/c he thought his Mom wouldn't notice he plucked them out if they weren't in the garbage? Just a thought.... j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 Is it just me or does it seem like there is a high rate of kids with DS-ASD who also have Pica? It sure looks like a high number of our kids seem to have it. Has anyone seen stats on this? Angel also has Pica, which wasn't very surprising. Took her into the ped who took stock on the non-edibles entering her tummy and immediately replied " yes she has Pica " . Oh, one more question: has anyone's kids had worms, pin and round, from eating all the goodies they come across? Angel has some nice sized blood in her stool today. Think they are likely due to a worm, but the blood spots are larger than that of a pin worm. I am constantly deworming this girl for pin worm as is. Farm life is not the place for a kid with Pica, that's for sure. Way too much tasty stuff in those barns! LOL! Cheryl Re: Re: pica At 04:29 AM 10/9/01 -0000, you wrote: \he did not >want to discuss about it . ROFL!!! well, I wouldn't want to talk about it either you know. What's he mad about? a side note. I know a young man, age 30, who is quite well-known and has DS-only. He lives on his own and works at an ARC. He is quite capable if he focuses. But he has increasing sleep apnea issues secondary to weight gain (though he's not huge). Anyway. When he's upset with himself or depressed, he cuts his hair. Just takes the scissors and cuts square chunks off of his head. Looks hideous. Once he shaved one side of his head. Just one side. Once he cut his eybrows with scissors (that was odd looking). But it's always related to a problem he can't solve so he engages in negative self-talk and ends up with this form of self-mutilation. This is often accompanied by poor job performance (falling asleep in meetings), poor housekeeping (they've threatened to evict him a few times), and so on. He just goes down this negative spiral and has trouble picking himself back up. Just thought I'd share. Maybe this guy ate the eyebrows b/c he thought his Mom wouldn't notice he plucked them out if they weren't in the garbage? Just a thought.... j -------------------------------------------------- Checkout our homepage for information, bookmarks, and photos of our kids. Share favorite bookmarks, ideas, and other information by including them. Don't forget, messages are a permanent record of the archives for our list. -------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 4:57:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dben937342@... writes: > > > > > > What is Pica? Sorry new to this. But my daughter licks everything to. She > thinks it is funny when I reprimand her. I ll try to look it up. > > S'ok Diane. Pica is more than licking. It's when the person with the condition actually ingests food and has obsessions to do so. For example, my daughter Maddie (7 1/2, DS and autism) searches and is obsessed with soap and candles. She'd polish off a bar of soap or a candle stick in a second if not caught in time. Also, she scrapes her head to try and get as much shampoo bubbles from her head every time I shampoo her. It's a real obsession. Donna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 Thanks for answering Donna, I have never heard of this. You all have taught me so much and so short a time. I just want you to know I wish I could help. I am printing some of the info for future reference. Diane (mom to Roe ds5 & Danny 7) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 12:36:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cmagnussen@... writes: << I am constantly deworming this girl for pin worm as is. Farm life is not the place for a kid with Pica, that's for sure. Way too much tasty stuff in those barns! LOL! Cheryl >> ROTFLOL!!!!!!! Sorry. Got me thinking about when I took Seth to the fair to see the elephants. I was so careful not to let him bend over in his stroller and pick up anything off the ground. Never entered my mind that although he was bent over with his hands behind him, in plain view, that he was licking the elephant dung off the wheels. LOL Talk about a feast! LOL Glad I can laugh about it.....NOW. LOL Nope, wouldn't want to live on a farm with Seth for sure. It does seem like a lot of our kids have this problem, doesn't it. Gail :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 1:10:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, duffey48@... writes: << P.S. Maddie is queen of the line ups now. She is lining up EVERYTHING. The kids think it's a riot. >> LOL Donna, beats eating road kill, candles or soap, climbing on banisters and along roofs huh? LOL Gail :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 4:49:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, duffey48@... writes: << S'ok Diane. Pica is more than licking. It's when the person with the condition actually ingests food and has obsessions to do so. For example, my daughter Maddie (7 1/2, DS and autism) searches and is obsessed with soap and candles. She'd polish off a bar of soap or a candle stick in a second if not caught in time. Also, she scrapes her head to try and get as much shampoo bubbles from her head every time I shampoo her. It's a real obsession. Donna >> Yeah, I say Seth is like a shark in a feeding frenzy when it comes to plaster, wood and feces. He is totally oblivious to anything or one around him. Kind of like his Dad with that! LOL Not the pica, just being oblivious. LOL Gail :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 Wow, Gail, elephant dung........that sounds very tasty.........to a kid with pica that is! LOL! Angel really has a thing for kitty litter, cat feces, the goat droppings and also for mouldy old hay. Almost pukes at the smell of the chicken barn, but eats everything in the goat and sheep barn. She really hates the smell of her own BM's and gags over them when she gets one in the toilet. But, if she finds it in her panties, then it's great eating and smearing fun. The funniest one was her sister's new purple rain coat. Really likes a good soft plastic. Ate her own last year too. The best one was when she filled her mouth with toothpaste only to discover she had her dad's rather than hers, really hates the minty taste of his toothpaste. Stopped that one for a bit. Shampoo drinking really gets me. As well as the cat poo breath. It's a killer. Think she could develop a thing for Scope???? I thought I would have to avoid the zoo as Angel fears alot of zoo type animals.........now I see I shall need to avoid it for the great feces that lie within. LOL! Thanks for the laugh. Oh,and common now girl......you just bring that Seth over anytime to visit. Cheryl Re: Re: pica In a message dated 10/9/01 12:36:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cmagnussen@... writes: << I am constantly deworming this girl for pin worm as is. Farm life is not the place for a kid with Pica, that's for sure. Way too much tasty stuff in those barns! LOL! Cheryl >> ROTFLOL!!!!!!! Sorry. Got me thinking about when I took Seth to the fair to see the elephants. I was so careful not to let him bend over in his stroller and pick up anything off the ground. Never entered my mind that although he was bent over with his hands behind him, in plain view, that he was licking the elephant dung off the wheels. LOL Talk about a feast! LOL Glad I can laugh about it.....NOW. LOL Nope, wouldn't want to live on a farm with Seth for sure. It does seem like a lot of our kids have this problem, doesn't it. Gail :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 Cheryl, LOL Seth eats his coats too, but just the plastic ones. LOL As for the kitty litter, same here. I made a kitty litter cake for him. Ever make one? You put it all in a litter pan when it's done. Looks like the real thing and you melt baby tootsie rolls and hang over the side of the pan and hide them in the *litter*. LOL Seth hated the edible stuff. LOL You even color some of the cake green to look like chlorophyll specks. LOL Looks like the real thing! Hmmmmm, Scope huh? LOL I have been tempted to give Seth a good douse of it from time to time. LOL We were at a fenced in park the other day and I looked at Seth and he had an old cigar hanging from his mouth. I was so angry thinking some guy left his stinky old butt in a kids park. Went and took it from Seth's mouth and it was a dog turd. Ewwwwwww! A hard, whitish turd and he had it in his mouth. GROSS!!!!! Now he's into picking his nose and eating it. Ohhhhhh, I have to go get a Tums. This stuff grosses me out so bad. LOL If I could choose, I'd pick shampoo or soap for him to desire anyday. LOL It would make it a whole lot easier to give him the sloppy kisses he wants. LOL Luck and prayers for us all, huh? Gail :-) << Wow, Gail, elephant dung........that sounds very tasty.........to a kid with pica that is! LOL! Angel really has a thing for kitty litter, cat feces, the goat droppings and also for mouldy old hay. Almost pukes at the smell of the chicken barn, but eats everything in the goat and sheep barn. She really hates the smell of her own BM's and gags over them when she gets one in the toilet. But, if she finds it in her panties, then it's great eating and smearing fun. The funniest one was her sister's new purple rain coat. Really likes a good soft plastic. Ate her own last year too. The best one was when she filled her mouth with toothpaste only to discover she had her dad's rather than hers, really hates the minty taste of his toothpaste. Stopped that one for a bit. Shampoo drinking really gets me. As well as the cat poo breath. It's a killer. Think she could develop a thing for Scope???? I thought I would have to avoid the zoo as Angel fears alot of zoo type animals.........now I see I shall need to avoid it for the great feces that lie within. LOL! Thanks for the laugh. Oh,and common now girl......you just bring that Seth over anytime to visit. Cheryl >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 10:25:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smilinggail@... writes: > LOL Donna, beats eating road kill, candles or soap, climbing on banisters > and > along roofs huh? LOL > Gail :-) > Cept she's still doing all the other things GAil....LOL She has been doing some really funny things lately. The other day, she slid down the kitchen banister. Hey, all my other kids did that too!!!! And Sunday night, Duff and I were in the kitchen getting dinner ready, we turn around and she's looking down at us from the top of the steps with her big brother's giant ski glasses on.............LOLOLOLOL Took them off before I had time to grab the camera. Donna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 10:27:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smilinggail@... writes: > Never entered my mind that > although he was bent over with his hands behind him, in plain view, that he > was licking the elephant dung off the wheels. LOL Talk about a feast! > LOL > Glad I can laugh about it.....NOW. LOLOLOL Gail. YUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Donna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 10:37:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smilinggail@... writes: > It's when the person with the > condition actually ingests food and has obsessions to do so Oops. I meant ingests LIKE food.....sorry!!! Donna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 HI Gail, What a great cake recipe!!! I wouldn't mind making one of those cakes. Made me laugh just thinking about what the cake would look like. You paint a great picture of your park experience. Thanks for an early morning laugh!!!! Kathy Re: Re: pica Cheryl, LOL Seth eats his coats too, but just the plastic ones. LOL As for the kitty litter, same here. I made a kitty litter cake for him. Ever make one? You put it all in a litter pan when it's done. Looks like the real thing and you melt baby tootsie rolls and hang over the side of the pan and hide them in the *litter*. LOL Seth hated the edible stuff. LOL You even color some of the cake green to look like chlorophyll specks. LOL Looks like the real thing! Hmmmmm, Scope huh? LOL I have been tempted to give Seth a good douse of it from time to time. LOL We were at a fenced in park the other day and I looked at Seth and he had an old cigar hanging from his mouth. I was so angry thinking some guy left his stinky old butt in a kids park. Went and took it from Seth's mouth and it was a dog turd. Ewwwwwww! A hard, whitish turd and he had it in his mouth. GROSS!!!!! Now he's into picking his nose and eating it. Ohhhhhh, I have to go get a Tums. This stuff grosses me out so bad. LOL If I could choose, I'd pick shampoo or soap for him to desire anyday. LOL It would make it a whole lot easier to give him the sloppy kisses he wants. LOL Luck and prayers for us all, huh? Gail :-) << Wow, Gail, elephant dung........that sounds very tasty.........to a kid with pica that is! LOL! Angel really has a thing for kitty litter, cat feces, the goat droppings and also for mouldy old hay. Almost pukes at the smell of the chicken barn, but eats everything in the goat and sheep barn. She really hates the smell of her own BM's and gags over them when she gets one in the toilet. But, if she finds it in her panties, then it's great eating and smearing fun. The funniest one was her sister's new purple rain coat. Really likes a good soft plastic. Ate her own last year too. The best one was when she filled her mouth with toothpaste only to discover she had her dad's rather than hers, really hates the minty taste of his toothpaste. Stopped that one for a bit. Shampoo drinking really gets me. As well as the cat poo breath. It's a killer. Think she could develop a thing for Scope???? I thought I would have to avoid the zoo as Angel fears alot of zoo type animals.........now I see I shall need to avoid it for the great feces that lie within. LOL! Thanks for the laugh. Oh,and common now girl......you just bring that Seth over anytime to visit. Cheryl >> -------------------------------------------------- Checkout our homepage for information, bookmarks, and photos of our kids. Share favorite bookmarks, ideas, and other information by including them. Don't forget, messages are a permanent record of the archives for our list. -------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 In a message dated 10/10/01 5:42:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, duffey48@... writes: << Cept she's still doing all the other things GAil....LOL She has been doing some really funny things lately. The other day, she slid down the kitchen banister. Hey, all my other kids did that too!!!! And Sunday night, Duff and I were in the kitchen getting dinner ready, we turn around and she's looking down at us from the top of the steps with her big brother's giant ski glasses on.............LOLOLOLOL Took them off before I had time to grab the camera. Donna >> Oh what a pic that would have been! ROTFLOL!!!!!! You'll need to wear that camera around your neck and snap fast and post one of those happy pics Donna. Does the heart good to see these things. Gail :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2004 some kids with autism have OCD-like behaviors and get fixated on something once they do it...(unfortunately)...Sally>> Now I take that as an understatement, Sally, lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2004 My own son loves to make cartoon voices...so hard to stop verbal stims like that(sigh:) I agree, it was a MASSIVE understatement, LOL....Sally Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2006 In a message dated 14/02/2006 14:25:49 GMT Standard Time, MaddiganV@... writes: He used to love soap when he was younger and would eagerly eat a whole tube of toothpaste, when I added zinc he stopped, now he has restarted. Does anyone know if this is indicitive of anything? >>>Zinc is often a success with pica - didn't help much with Sam though. Maybe he needs a bit extra zinc now again? One or other of the range minerals usually helps, easy enough to try anyways. Mandi x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2006 Thanks Mandi, he is on 20mg Kirkmans Zinc at the moment, is it O.K. to just give him another capsules somewhere in the day? TIA Vicky xx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2006 In a message dated 14/02/2006 15:45:03 GMT Standard Time, MaddiganV@... writes: Thanks Mandi, he is on 20mg Kirkmans Zinc at the moment, is it O.K. to just give him another capsules somewhere in the day? >>>>I give more than that. DAN! regular dosing for loading is weight + 20 pounds in mgs - ir if your kid was 50 pounds and you were loading due to high copper low zinc or pre chelation, then you would give in the region of 70mgs zinc per day. I gave several different types because never been sure which was best, we do ioninc, monomethione and chelate. I have picinolate too but that gave my headache when I took it so don;t use that much. I like the Metabolics Ioninc to top up best. Mandi x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2006 In a message dated 14/02/2006 18:01:08 GMT Standard Time, sallygeorge@... writes: He stopped chewing the furniture and moved onto paper and threads from towels but recently is back to chewing paper madly and ripping up everyones homework, books etc. Dr Heard thinks it is Magnesium or Zinc which he has loads of every day though obviously not absorbing very well. >>>If Sam chews brown paper - that bacteria Do I sound like Dana LOL???? Bizzare but true Bacteria here - red dry sore looking patches around eyes and or mouth, sticky dark stools, stinky stools and chewing brown paper....................... Mandi x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2006 Hi Vicky, I had a phone consultation with Dr Usman last Thursday. We discussed many things - including Callum's mouthing and biting plastic. He seeks it out constantly and chews and dribbles all the time :-( Sometimes it is more pronounced - like right now. My wife's just told me he's chewed through the Playstation (we got him for Xmas) cables :-( Dr Usman re-checked Callum's latest full test results (Oct / Nov 2005). She advised that he is low in Magnesium, Calcium and Iron. His Zinc is ok though. She explained that low Magnesium can cause Pica / chewing, etc. We have some new meds arriving soon including some Magnesium Malate and Glycinate (?). Also Dr Usman did explain that Callum is already now naturally detoxing :-) without Chelation (although we are starting to introduce this slowly ourselves now). As a result his increased agression and biting could be related to metals moving. Callum also has the typical detox red dry rashes on his face and body (mainly his face). Hope this helps (a little)? Cheers, Steve, Joanne, Callum & Ellie-Mae - XXXX - > > Not sure if this is strictly pica, but has started to seek out > soapy stuff to rub on his skin and even drink! > Caught him with Flash yesterday, I had only bought it recently and it > was a new mix which smells much more soapy and less bleachy than the > usual stuff, everything is now safely locked away. > He used to love soap when he was younger and would eagerly eat a whole > tube of toothpaste, when I added zinc he stopped, now he has restarted. > Does anyone know if this is indicitive of anything? > TIA > Vicky > xx > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2006 Hi, this is really interesting to me as we also have a chewer! on started back when he was first diagnosed my picking all the skin off his lips until they were raw. Then he progressed to biting the edge of tables, video cupboard etc so everything looked like we had a beaver in the house. He stopped chewing the furniture and moved onto paper and threads from towels but recently is back to chewing paper madly and ripping up everyones homework, books etc. Dr Heard thinks it is Magnesium or Zinc which he has loads of every day though obviously not absorbing very well. It is one of the constant problems that he has and it would be wonderful to overcome it. Sally in Manchester From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of Steve Lodge Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:42 PM Autism Treatment Subject: Re: Pica Hi Vicky, I had a phone consultation with Dr Usman last Thursday. We discussed many things - including Callum's mouthing and biting plastic. He seeks it out constantly and chews and dribbles all the time :-( Sometimes it is more pronounced - like right now. My wife's just told me he's chewed through the Playstation (we got him for Xmas) cables :-( Dr Usman re-checked Callum's latest full test results (Oct / Nov 2005). She advised that he is low in Magnesium, Calcium and Iron. His Zinc is ok though. She explained that low Magnesium can cause Pica / chewing, etc. We have some new meds arriving soon including some Magnesium Malate and Glycinate (?). Also Dr Usman did explain that Callum is already now naturally detoxing :-) without Chelation (although we are starting to introduce this slowly ourselves now). As a result his increased agression and biting could be related to metals moving. Callum also has the typical detox red dry rashes on his face and body (mainly his face). Hope this helps (a little)? Cheers, Steve, Joanne, Callum & Ellie-Mae - XXXX - > > Not sure if this is strictly pica, but has started to seek out > soapy stuff to rub on his skin and even drink! > Caught him with Flash yesterday, I had only bought it recently and it > was a new mix which smells much more soapy and less bleachy than the > usual stuff, everything is now safely locked away. > He used to love soap when he was younger and would eagerly eat a whole > tube of toothpaste, when I added zinc he stopped, now he has restarted. > Does anyone know if this is indicitive of anything? > TIA > Vicky > xx > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2006 Thanks Mandi, yes you are probably right! He has clostridia and yeast so spoke with Dr Heard and he has a plan of action. 1 Week antibiotics, then pile in with the probiotics then 1 week later do antifungals. I have also sent my sample off to Paris today and am looking into LOD after the Owen piece, got appointment with Muscroft next week. I am in attack mode at the moment!! Sally in Manchester From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of Mum231ASD@... Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:57 PM Autism Treatment Subject: Re: Re: Pica In a message dated 14/02/2006 18:01:08 GMT Standard Time, sallygeorge@... writes: He stopped chewing the furniture and moved onto paper and threads from towels but recently is back to chewing paper madly and ripping up everyones homework, books etc. Dr Heard thinks it is Magnesium or Zinc which he has loads of every day though obviously not absorbing very well. >>>If Sam chews brown paper - that bacteria Do I sound like Dana LOL???? Bizzare but true Bacteria here - red dry sore looking patches around eyes and or mouth, sticky dark stools, stinky stools and chewing brown paper....................... Mandi x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
