Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 , Let me know what you think of it; she seems to have some good supporters. Bob B. Re: progesterone cream > In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rbeiswenger@... writes: > > > > Have you read Raquel 's book, " The Estrogen Alternative " ? I believe > > you will find a different opinion on this in her work. > > > > I just ordered the book at half.com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 , It's hard to KNOW what to do; even some of the finest in their field have been wrong, unfortunately. You simply have to look at these things carefully and do the best you can. The " experts " once thought that the earth was flat, the sun went around the earth, and airplanes could not possibly fly... Bob B. Re: progesterone cream > In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rbeiswenger@... writes: > > > > What I have learned is that not only do doctors(allopathic ones) not agree > > with each other and alternative practitioners, but the folks in the > > alternative field also have some disagreements > > Bob..it is very scarey to me to think about using something that someone of > 's calibur so vehementally warns against. I have used the cream for years > and now I wonder if I might have done harm to myself? I would sure like to > know what the truth is. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 , It's hard to KNOW what to do; even some of the finest in their field have been wrong, unfortunately. You simply have to look at these things carefully and do the best you can. The " experts " once thought that the earth was flat, the sun went around the earth, and airplanes could not possibly fly... Bob B. Re: progesterone cream > In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rbeiswenger@... writes: > > > > What I have learned is that not only do doctors(allopathic ones) not agree > > with each other and alternative practitioners, but the folks in the > > alternative field also have some disagreements > > Bob..it is very scarey to me to think about using something that someone of > 's calibur so vehementally warns against. I have used the cream for years > and now I wonder if I might have done harm to myself? I would sure like to > know what the truth is. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 Hi All Studies keep comming in on dangers of hormone therapy. If you want more information on hormones = Dr. Mercola has 200+ web pages on hormone therapy at http://www.mercola.com Hormones are also controled through the thyroid and iodine plays a key role. http://www.mercola.com/1998/archive/iodine_deficiency.htm " Iodine plays a role in the production of thyroid hormone, which is important in regulating various body functions. The authors point out that since iodine helps regulate hormones important to fetal and infant brain development, iodine deficiency is the world's leading cause of intellectual deficiency. " Dealing with iodine deficiency first makes more sense than spending $$$$$ on artificial hormones. A simple inexpensive test is found at bottom of page: http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/iodine_deficiency.htm Iodine can be absorbed by simply painting iodine on the body or eating sea vegetables or using unprocessed sea salt. Sunlight also regulates hormones. > The study cited below merely " suggests " that the hormone > progesterone contributes to breast cancer... which doesn't sound > very conclusive. (I'm not taking " sides " on this issue, only pointing out > the terminology, which needs to be watched carefully - it is easy to > draw conclusions when the intent was merely a " suggestion " ... a > possibility...something to be researched in the future... > > Bob B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 Hi All Studies keep comming in on dangers of hormone therapy. If you want more information on hormones = Dr. Mercola has 200+ web pages on hormone therapy at http://www.mercola.com Hormones are also controled through the thyroid and iodine plays a key role. http://www.mercola.com/1998/archive/iodine_deficiency.htm " Iodine plays a role in the production of thyroid hormone, which is important in regulating various body functions. The authors point out that since iodine helps regulate hormones important to fetal and infant brain development, iodine deficiency is the world's leading cause of intellectual deficiency. " Dealing with iodine deficiency first makes more sense than spending $$$$$ on artificial hormones. A simple inexpensive test is found at bottom of page: http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/iodine_deficiency.htm Iodine can be absorbed by simply painting iodine on the body or eating sea vegetables or using unprocessed sea salt. Sunlight also regulates hormones. > The study cited below merely " suggests " that the hormone > progesterone contributes to breast cancer... which doesn't sound > very conclusive. (I'm not taking " sides " on this issue, only pointing out > the terminology, which needs to be watched carefully - it is easy to > draw conclusions when the intent was merely a " suggestion " ... a > possibility...something to be researched in the future... > > Bob B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 Right Shel So Far Mercola supports natural progesterone but Mercola also relates thyroid and estrogen: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/4/hrt5.htm " Thyroid and estrogen are natural antagonists: opposite effects. Thyroid builds bone, estrogen stimulates bone loss. Thyroid stimulates metabolism and burns fat; estrogen stores fat. With estrogen dominance, thyroid function is inhibited, causing lower thyroid activity. What I said is test your own iodine - get it in balance first (cheaply) and maybe hormone problems will dissappear. > In a message dated 12/7/03 10:02:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > r.muenzer@v... writes: > > > > Studies keep comming in on dangers of hormone therapy. > > If you want more information on hormones = Dr. Mercola has > > 200+ web pages on hormone therapy at http://www.mercola.com > > I believe that he supports the use of progest cream. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 Right Shel So Far Mercola supports natural progesterone but Mercola also relates thyroid and estrogen: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/4/hrt5.htm " Thyroid and estrogen are natural antagonists: opposite effects. Thyroid builds bone, estrogen stimulates bone loss. Thyroid stimulates metabolism and burns fat; estrogen stores fat. With estrogen dominance, thyroid function is inhibited, causing lower thyroid activity. What I said is test your own iodine - get it in balance first (cheaply) and maybe hormone problems will dissappear. > In a message dated 12/7/03 10:02:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > r.muenzer@v... writes: > > > > Studies keep comming in on dangers of hormone therapy. > > If you want more information on hormones = Dr. Mercola has > > 200+ web pages on hormone therapy at http://www.mercola.com > > I believe that he supports the use of progest cream. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Hey, I think the use of natural progesterone creams (gels) are a great thing. My wife, and I, each have been using them for a few years, now. Interestingly, I have noticed that when I (a man) use the cream or gel, once a day on my wrist, that it seems to help with the typical symptoms of BHP (enlarged prostate). What do I mean by this? Well, when I use the cream (along with the recommended saw palmetto, and pumpkin seeds, etc.), the " frequent nightly trips to the restroom " are greatly reduced. Curiously, I heard of a pharmacist, in east Texas, who would blend a " natural progesterone " with minoxidil, for balding men to use on their scalps. I " heard " that he was having better success at this than those who used the minoxidil, only. I am trying to find out more about this, though it sounds reasonable, since most " male pattern " baldness (and BHP) is probably due to an over abundance of dihydrotestosterone. And, the use of the phyto-progesterone probably curbs the DHT's effects. I am, certainly, not an expert on this, though is seems like a good, possible concept. Oh well, what I am suggesting here is that men (with caution) can also use the phyto-progesterones for certain conditions, like enlarged prostate, and baldness. Perhaps Ed Kasper might have some input with regard to this. A local herbalist seems to agree with me on this, though a local ND, and another Chiropractor (friend), think my thoughts are a little hokey. Oh, well, I say if this works, at least for some people, who cares about " who, what, where, when, or how " ???? Say, isn't Kombucha great? For those of you, on this list, that do not drink kefir, perhaps you should try it, as well. These are both great pro-biotic foods. I am so grateful to have each, in my life. I have been brewing KT for about two years, now. I have been doing kefir for about four months. Gee, since doing kefir, yogurt seems to have very little taste, to me. I still eat yogurt, though. Anyway, here is to the health of us all! Just some input, on my part, here, huehue > > You are so welcome. I am very convinced that it is really helping a lot with my breast cancer. > Patty >> > Cells of breast, endometrium, ovary and prostate, were grown in > > the laboratory. Estrogen (estradiol) was added to the cells. This > > hormone turned on the BCL2 gene, causing the cells to grow rapidly and > > not die. Then, progesterone was added to the cell cultures. Cell > > reproduction stopped and the cells died on time (apoptosis). > > > > This methodology was applied to all the above types of cancer. > > The BCL2 gene, therefore, stimulates the growth of these cells and the > > risk of cancer. On the other hand, the P53 gene promotes apoptosis or > > programmed cell d! eath and thereby, reduces the risk of cancer. > > Estradiol upregulates or stimulates the production of the BCL2 gene, > > while progesterone upregulates or stimulates the production of the P53 > > gene. > > > > Therefore natural progesterone decreases the risk for several > > types of cancer, while unopposed estradiol causes these same types of > > cancer. Since Breast cancer is considered to be a hormone dependent > > cancer it is critically important to maintain optimal levels of > > natural progesterone and avoid the factors that would promote too much > > estradiol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hi all, I am going to buy some progesterone cream, but, I have no idea when I should be applying itas most of the websites say to apply after day such and such of your cycle. My problem is that I only have one working ovary (other was removed because of an ectopic pregnancy). Plus I have had uterus ablation (cauterisation of the womb) which has stopped all monthly bleeding and therefore I have no idea where in my cycle I am. I believe I am peri menopausal because I was having hot flushes (they seem to have stopped since going wheat free and starting to take vitamins to get my levels back up, so it may not have been menopausal) and that I am 48 years old. Should I just use a bit each day, every day? Your advice will be very welcome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 If you are premenopausal then the idea is to use it for the 2nd two weeks of your cycle, when progesterone levels should be higher. If postmenopausal, for 3 weeks in each month. Unless you are having definite cycles I would do the 3 weeks on 1 week off. The purpose of having the week off is to give the receptors a break so they don't become desensitized. I don't think it would matter enormously which you do, given your circumstances - best to experiment. They say to use a pea-sized amount of cream, but peas vary so much in size! I try to estimate usage by working out when the pot should be half empty and checking it then. I tend to find that I don't sleep so well when I am having the week off the cream. Dr Peatfield said, in that case, I could continue to use it without a break, and it wouldn't matter. Some people on here have been using it continuously for years. Progesterone cream can sensitize the oestrogen receptors, so some people initially get some symptoms of too much oestrogen again. That should wear off after a short time. You might want to start using it rather cautiously at first, just to see how you react. It can take as long as 3 months to get the full benefit of using the cream (I read in the information leaflet yesterday!) Miriam > I am going to buy some progesterone cream, but, I have no idea when I should be applying itas most of the websites say to apply after day such and such of your cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Hi Under the guidance of Dr P I had my hormones tested and I use the 20-1 cream which is mainly progesterone and a little oestrogen. I take one week a month off. I bought a measuring spoon (yes you can buy them that small!) which helps me get the correct amount. Wonder if you have had your hormones tested? Lynnex > > Hi all, > I am going to buy some progesterone cream, but, I have no idea when I should be applying itas most of the websites say to apply after day such and such of your cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Yes I have, but it was a while ago (rummages in file, back in April 2011). Plus I also have a testosterone slow release implant in my abdominal fat. Without it I am a gibbering, husband divorcing, running away, suicidal wreck. The results are ambiguous or show low levels of everything, because there is no reference to the day of the cycle. A bit of a set back that. All I can work out is that I wasn't Ovulating. Plus the testosterone levels are good because I was on testosterone patches at the time of the test. To keep it tidy I will just show what my level was and put F for follicular range, O for Ovulatory range and L for luteal range. Serum FH level 4.2 F 2-17 O 5-48 L 1-15 Serum LH level 4.4 F 2-13 O 14-96 L 1-11 Serum Oestradiol level 213 F 80-550 O 400-1600 L 175-880 Serum Progesterone 16.4... Range >30 on days 19 to 21 is proof of adequete ovulation. Serum Testosterone 1.2 range (0.2 - 1.65) But skewed by testosterone patches being used at the time. Serum Sex hormone Binding globulin level 25 Range (19- 145) All results (bar testosterone) are at low end of the range whichever part of my cycle its in. Reading it that way, I should have joined a nunnery. Its no wonder my sex drive has been non-existant. 2 > > > > Hi > > Under the guidance of Dr P I had my hormones tested and I use the 20-1 cream which is mainly progesterone and a little oestrogen. I take one week a month off. I bought a measuring spoon (yes you can buy them that small!) which helps me get the correct amount. Wonder if you have had your hormones tested? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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