Guest guest Posted March 20, 2000 Report Share Posted March 20, 2000 > > >Hey, there! Thanks for the welcome, Gordon...just looking at the index it looks that this group may be a better venue for my interests than the smartdrugs group. I'll send url's, or post documents to the 'vault' re: progesterone creme use in men. I'll try to post to this same thread in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2000 Report Share Posted March 20, 2000 gts, I routinely Rx T+DHEA+Progesterone+Pregnenolone in cream format for hormone replacement therapy. This combination in males eliminates the mood swings and does slightly inhibit aromatase. Balanced replacement is the key to effefective and safe replacement. Live long and well. Be good to yourself. R , MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2000 Report Share Posted March 21, 2000 Thanks Dr . I'm wondering specifically about effective inhibitors of aromatase. Do you have an opinion of chrysin or indole-3-carbinol? By the way I'm glad to see you are still with us. I take it you've been busy lately! -gts Re: progesterone cream > gts, > I routinely Rx T+DHEA+Progesterone+Pregnenolone in cream format for hormone > replacement therapy. This combination in males eliminates the mood swings > and does slightly inhibit aromatase. Balanced replacement is the key to > effefective and safe replacement. > > > Live long and well. Be good to yourself. > > R , MD > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Hi Tracey I use progesterone cream for symptoms of oestrogen dominance - fibrocystic breast disease and ovarian cysts, and mild PMS but major cramps. After about 3 months of using the cream these symptoms have diminished considerably. I think its a good product. Progesterone Cream Has anyone tried progesterone cream? I'm in perimenopause with CFIDS & FMS and I'm considering trying it. I just read this when I started researching it: http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-not-taught.htm Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 , That's great news! Thanks I started using it last night. Tracey wrote: >Hi Tracey > >I use progesterone cream for symptoms of oestrogen dominance - fibrocystic breast disease and ovarian cysts, and mild PMS but major cramps. After about 3 months of using the cream these symptoms have diminished considerably. I think its a good product. > > > Progesterone Cream > > > > Has anyone tried progesterone cream? I'm in perimenopause with CFIDS & > FMS and I'm considering trying it. I just read this when I started > researching it: > > http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-not-taught.htm > > Tracey > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 In a message dated 12/5/03 10:23:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, nopcname@... writes: > I have heard docters tell women not to use the cream also. I really cant > imagine why they do that I would love it if you would call Weed on her Tues night free phone consultation. You seem to be knowledgable about this and would know the right questions to ask. Then I would appreciate it is you could report back to us with your impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 In a message dated 12/5/03 10:23:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, nopcname@... writes: > I have heard docters tell women not to use the cream also. I really cant > imagine why they do that I would love it if you would call Weed on her Tues night free phone consultation. You seem to be knowledgable about this and would know the right questions to ask. Then I would appreciate it is you could report back to us with your impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Hi: Let me say this abt Progesterone cream. I have used it for 5 years now. It saved me from alot of pain. The breast cancer in my family is estrogen receptive also. But not progesterone receptive. I look at it like this. My quality of life had gotten soo bad with water retention, migraines, painful breast and horrible periods every month. I had to do something. That and take Vitex, a herb has really made me feel and look like my old self. My probelms started abt 6 months after my 2nd child and the tubal i had.... I really think i would be dead now or 200 pounds and had a stroke if i hadnt been using it. I guess i should have mentioned the fact that i was taking the Vitex and the cream last night when i joined. I have heard docters tell women not to use the cream also. I really cant imagine why they do that. I have studied on the cream alot. I cant see where it would cause cancer. As it does hold off estrogen. Estrogen causes extra growth of cells. Progesterone slows the estrogen down. Cancer is a over growth and under maturity of cells....... My mothers cancer docter in memphis told her after her cancer that she could use it if she wanted to......he didnt see where it would hurt..... he also added he had no idea if it help ither. But I ran out of cream once. And put off buying some for abt a week because i simply forgot. It didnt take but abt a week to notice the difference. So it was working....... progesterone cream I recently contacted Weed about some menopausal problems I was experiencing. She insisted that I absolutely not use progesterone cream. It is her belief that it causes breast and ovarian cancer. She has a free phone time on Tues eve. You can find the phone number on her website (do a search on Google for Weed). She is a very respected herbologist. She claims that a lot of money is made on the cream and that according to her information it is deadly for women. I would be interested in hearing back from you after you speak with her. In a message dated 12/5/03 1:15:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, fraidycat@... writes: > I'm 42 also, and was dx'ed w/ breast cancer almost five years ago. The > first thing I would recommend would be a good quality progesterone cream, > such as Life Flo's or even progesterone pills from Ortho Molecular Products. > I used and continue to use progesterone, as it regulates the estrogen in the > body. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Hi: Let me say this abt Progesterone cream. I have used it for 5 years now. It saved me from alot of pain. The breast cancer in my family is estrogen receptive also. But not progesterone receptive. I look at it like this. My quality of life had gotten soo bad with water retention, migraines, painful breast and horrible periods every month. I had to do something. That and take Vitex, a herb has really made me feel and look like my old self. My probelms started abt 6 months after my 2nd child and the tubal i had.... I really think i would be dead now or 200 pounds and had a stroke if i hadnt been using it. I guess i should have mentioned the fact that i was taking the Vitex and the cream last night when i joined. I have heard docters tell women not to use the cream also. I really cant imagine why they do that. I have studied on the cream alot. I cant see where it would cause cancer. As it does hold off estrogen. Estrogen causes extra growth of cells. Progesterone slows the estrogen down. Cancer is a over growth and under maturity of cells....... My mothers cancer docter in memphis told her after her cancer that she could use it if she wanted to......he didnt see where it would hurt..... he also added he had no idea if it help ither. But I ran out of cream once. And put off buying some for abt a week because i simply forgot. It didnt take but abt a week to notice the difference. So it was working....... progesterone cream I recently contacted Weed about some menopausal problems I was experiencing. She insisted that I absolutely not use progesterone cream. It is her belief that it causes breast and ovarian cancer. She has a free phone time on Tues eve. You can find the phone number on her website (do a search on Google for Weed). She is a very respected herbologist. She claims that a lot of money is made on the cream and that according to her information it is deadly for women. I would be interested in hearing back from you after you speak with her. In a message dated 12/5/03 1:15:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, fraidycat@... writes: > I'm 42 also, and was dx'ed w/ breast cancer almost five years ago. The > first thing I would recommend would be a good quality progesterone cream, > such as Life Flo's or even progesterone pills from Ortho Molecular Products. > I used and continue to use progesterone, as it regulates the estrogen in the > body. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Hi: Well I suppose I could. I imagine what she will say is this: its a female hormone also and progesterone receptive cancers are more fast movers and more serious and synthetic progesterone aka progestin does cause cancer like estrogen I have been told these things from others who have asked docters. Ideally one would want to lower their overall estrogen level,, counteracting with progesterone just gives you higher levels of both.....but i am serious when i say it has really made me feel better. My breast are never sore or painful anymore...which really has nothing to do with getting BC.But darn, they hurt soo much before i couldnt stand it. But in my family, the cancer always comes at abt the age of 53 oddly enough. Just abt 3 yrs after the onset of menipause. I cant figure why this is. All the women in my family who had it also never really had hot flashes, they had bad headaches instead and weight gain for no explainable reason. My mother had it at 53, she had 1 child(my mother survived and took Tamoxin for 8 years afterwards). her mom had it at 53, she had one child also, she died within a year of finding out she had BC.. Gmoms sis had it at 41, she never had any children, she died within a year also.. It goes on and on back. These women had ither 1 child or no children.The women in the family who didnt have it had at least 2, alot had 3 children......or more. And its always mammary/ductal related cancer. Which may be normal. i dont know much abt it. We thought abt doing the BRCA test. But didnt. I may get it, nd a docter may tell me that the cream caused it or helped me get it. But I couldnt live with very well without the cream......id rather die ,than feel that way again...I really mean that. I suppose docters are afraid to suggest any hormone or hormone precurser to patients in the fear that will cause cancer. There is a woman here in town who took fertility drugs. Got pregnant. Had the baby, then abt 2 yrs later found she had BC that was receptive to prog. and estrogen.She is still alive but has chemo and radiation......lumpectomy......and has had a miserable existance...... i dont think i could do all that. i really dont. Chemo just sounds bad. Even if it cured that cancer looks like to me it would cause another.... Causing all those changes in the cells that werent cancerous. I sometimes think they probably have a cure. They just want to keep it under wraps. Because of all the money that would be lost if they told it. Has anyone ever known anyone on the hydrazine sulfate? If so did it help them???? Re: progesterone cream In a message dated 12/5/03 10:23:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, nopcname@... writes: > I have heard docters tell women not to use the cream also. I really cant > imagine why they do that I would love it if you would call Weed on her Tues night free phone consultation. You seem to be knowledgable about this and would know the right questions to ask. Then I would appreciate it is you could report back to us with your impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Hi: Well I suppose I could. I imagine what she will say is this: its a female hormone also and progesterone receptive cancers are more fast movers and more serious and synthetic progesterone aka progestin does cause cancer like estrogen I have been told these things from others who have asked docters. Ideally one would want to lower their overall estrogen level,, counteracting with progesterone just gives you higher levels of both.....but i am serious when i say it has really made me feel better. My breast are never sore or painful anymore...which really has nothing to do with getting BC.But darn, they hurt soo much before i couldnt stand it. But in my family, the cancer always comes at abt the age of 53 oddly enough. Just abt 3 yrs after the onset of menipause. I cant figure why this is. All the women in my family who had it also never really had hot flashes, they had bad headaches instead and weight gain for no explainable reason. My mother had it at 53, she had 1 child(my mother survived and took Tamoxin for 8 years afterwards). her mom had it at 53, she had one child also, she died within a year of finding out she had BC.. Gmoms sis had it at 41, she never had any children, she died within a year also.. It goes on and on back. These women had ither 1 child or no children.The women in the family who didnt have it had at least 2, alot had 3 children......or more. And its always mammary/ductal related cancer. Which may be normal. i dont know much abt it. We thought abt doing the BRCA test. But didnt. I may get it, nd a docter may tell me that the cream caused it or helped me get it. But I couldnt live with very well without the cream......id rather die ,than feel that way again...I really mean that. I suppose docters are afraid to suggest any hormone or hormone precurser to patients in the fear that will cause cancer. There is a woman here in town who took fertility drugs. Got pregnant. Had the baby, then abt 2 yrs later found she had BC that was receptive to prog. and estrogen.She is still alive but has chemo and radiation......lumpectomy......and has had a miserable existance...... i dont think i could do all that. i really dont. Chemo just sounds bad. Even if it cured that cancer looks like to me it would cause another.... Causing all those changes in the cells that werent cancerous. I sometimes think they probably have a cure. They just want to keep it under wraps. Because of all the money that would be lost if they told it. Has anyone ever known anyone on the hydrazine sulfate? If so did it help them???? Re: progesterone cream In a message dated 12/5/03 10:23:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, nopcname@... writes: > I have heard docters tell women not to use the cream also. I really cant > imagine why they do that I would love it if you would call Weed on her Tues night free phone consultation. You seem to be knowledgable about this and would know the right questions to ask. Then I would appreciate it is you could report back to us with your impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbeiswenger@... writes: > Have you read Raquel 's book, " The Estrogen Alternative " ? I believe > you will find a different opinion on this in her work. > I do not have the knowledge to determine who is telling the truth..but somebody is. Either Progest Cream is good for you or is isn't. According to Weed who is very esteemed in her field, you can make an infusion of some herb she recommends (red clover?) that will stimulate the body to control menopausal imbalances but don't take something that basically is needed for pregnancy and causes breast and ovarian cancer to grow. She claims that so much money is being made on Projest Cream and none on herbal infusion that therein lies the problem. I wish that a few learned members of this group would phone her on Tues eve. during her free conference time and question her with their wisdom and then report back to us so that as a group we can discuss this and come to some sort of agreement to benefit all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbeiswenger@... writes: > Have you read Raquel 's book, " The Estrogen Alternative " ? I believe > you will find a different opinion on this in her work. > I do not have the knowledge to determine who is telling the truth..but somebody is. Either Progest Cream is good for you or is isn't. According to Weed who is very esteemed in her field, you can make an infusion of some herb she recommends (red clover?) that will stimulate the body to control menopausal imbalances but don't take something that basically is needed for pregnancy and causes breast and ovarian cancer to grow. She claims that so much money is being made on Projest Cream and none on herbal infusion that therein lies the problem. I wish that a few learned members of this group would phone her on Tues eve. during her free conference time and question her with their wisdom and then report back to us so that as a group we can discuss this and come to some sort of agreement to benefit all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbeiswenger@... writes: > What I have learned is that not only do doctors(allopathic ones) not agree > with each other and alternative practitioners, but the folks in the > alternative field also have some disagreements Bob..it is very scarey to me to think about using something that someone of 's calibur so vehementally warns against. I have used the cream for years and now I wonder if I might have done harm to myself? I would sure like to know what the truth is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbeiswenger@... writes: > What I have learned is that not only do doctors(allopathic ones) not agree > with each other and alternative practitioners, but the folks in the > alternative field also have some disagreements Bob..it is very scarey to me to think about using something that someone of 's calibur so vehementally warns against. I have used the cream for years and now I wonder if I might have done harm to myself? I would sure like to know what the truth is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbeiswenger@... writes: > Have you read Raquel 's book, " The Estrogen Alternative " ? I believe > you will find a different opinion on this in her work. > I just ordered the book at half.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 5:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbeiswenger@... writes: > Have you read Raquel 's book, " The Estrogen Alternative " ? I believe > you will find a different opinion on this in her work. > I just ordered the book at half.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 7:00:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nopcname@... writes: > Red Clover is herbal mimic of estrogen, is what I was told. I did try it > once. made me feel worse. So did Don Quai. > Go figure that one out????? > Yes..that's it..red clover..that is what Weed recommends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 7:00:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nopcname@... writes: > Red Clover is herbal mimic of estrogen, is what I was told. I did try it > once. made me feel worse. So did Don Quai. > Go figure that one out????? > Yes..that's it..red clover..that is what Weed recommends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 6:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, vgammill@... writes: > Results of a preliminary study by scientists at the Jonsson Comprehensive > Cancer Center at the University of California suggest that the hormone > progesterone contributes to breast cancer by boosting the production of a > growth factor that aids tumor growth This is exactly what Weed was telling me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/03 6:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, vgammill@... writes: > Results of a preliminary study by scientists at the Jonsson Comprehensive > Cancer Center at the University of California suggest that the hormone > progesterone contributes to breast cancer by boosting the production of a > growth factor that aids tumor growth This is exactly what Weed was telling me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 , Have you read Raquel 's book, " The Estrogen Alternative " ? I believe you will find a different opinion on this in her work. What I have learned is that not only do doctors(allopathic ones) not agree with each other and alternative practitioners, but the folks in the alternative field also have some disagreements. One has to do a lot of reading and research for themselves and take the course of action most appropriate for themselves. Keep lookin'... Bob B. progesterone cream > I recently contacted Weed about some menopausal problems I was > experiencing. She insisted that I absolutely not use progesterone cream. It is her > belief that it causes breast and ovarian cancer. She has a free phone time on > Tues eve. You can find the phone number on her website (do a search on Google > for Weed). She is a very respected herbologist. She claims that a lot > of money is made on the cream and that according to her information it is > deadly for women. I would be interested in hearing back from you after you speak > with her. > > > In a message dated 12/5/03 1:15:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fraidycat@... writes: > > > > I'm 42 also, and was dx'ed w/ breast cancer almost five years ago. The > > first thing I would recommend would be a good quality progesterone cream, > > such as Life Flo's or even progesterone pills from Ortho Molecular Products. > > I used and continue to use progesterone, as it regulates the estrogen in the > > body. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 , Have you read Raquel 's book, " The Estrogen Alternative " ? I believe you will find a different opinion on this in her work. What I have learned is that not only do doctors(allopathic ones) not agree with each other and alternative practitioners, but the folks in the alternative field also have some disagreements. One has to do a lot of reading and research for themselves and take the course of action most appropriate for themselves. Keep lookin'... Bob B. progesterone cream > I recently contacted Weed about some menopausal problems I was > experiencing. She insisted that I absolutely not use progesterone cream. It is her > belief that it causes breast and ovarian cancer. She has a free phone time on > Tues eve. You can find the phone number on her website (do a search on Google > for Weed). She is a very respected herbologist. She claims that a lot > of money is made on the cream and that according to her information it is > deadly for women. I would be interested in hearing back from you after you speak > with her. > > > In a message dated 12/5/03 1:15:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fraidycat@... writes: > > > > I'm 42 also, and was dx'ed w/ breast cancer almost five years ago. The > > first thing I would recommend would be a good quality progesterone cream, > > such as Life Flo's or even progesterone pills from Ortho Molecular Products. > > I used and continue to use progesterone, as it regulates the estrogen in the > > body. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 Scientists Uncover Progesterone's Role in Breast Cancer Results of a preliminary study by scientists at the Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of California suggest that the hormone progesterone contributes to breast cancer by boosting the production of a growth factor that aids tumor growth. Experiments carried out on laboratory grown cancer cells revealed that progesterone appears to stimulate the production of vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), which is vital for the growth of blood vessels for both normal cells and cancer cells. The findings may explain why drugs that block progesterone can be useful in the treatment of breast cancer. SOURCE/REFERENCE: International Journal of Cancer 2001; 92:469-473 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 Scientists Uncover Progesterone's Role in Breast Cancer Results of a preliminary study by scientists at the Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of California suggest that the hormone progesterone contributes to breast cancer by boosting the production of a growth factor that aids tumor growth. Experiments carried out on laboratory grown cancer cells revealed that progesterone appears to stimulate the production of vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), which is vital for the growth of blood vessels for both normal cells and cancer cells. The findings may explain why drugs that block progesterone can be useful in the treatment of breast cancer. SOURCE/REFERENCE: International Journal of Cancer 2001; 92:469-473 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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