Supplements

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Hi Jay, I read your article posted on a supplement called Glutacene,it sounds

great ....... Where can I find it?

Thank you

Baptist Nupieri

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Mel Siff]

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>

>Another suggestion is to take pictures of yourself, as you probably did

when you first started (your " before " pics). Sometimes you change slowly

and can't really see the changes in the mirror, but if you compare pictures

from before and now, side by side, you may notice some changes between the

two.

I wasn't positive I was changing until my 4 week pictures came back - it was

so noticeable in only 28 days!!! Take those pictures in the same suit, same

pose, same background. I think you'll notice it then!

Sara

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Hi.When I started BFL I noticed results in 4-5 weeks and then

it seem to continue in that fashion...every 4 weeks or so I

noticed a change. A suggestion about the shakes...I won't lie

and say I like Myoplex...I use something else...but what helps

mega in either one is mixing it with just eight ounces of water

and some ice and putting a little fat free whip topping on it.

I use to have two shakes of lite a day now I use one package of

regular and use skim milk for extra protein and calories and

divide it in two...this helped with the expense (milk is cheaper)

AND the calories were about the same. Definately use less water

or milk to get it down quick and it taste good. Hope this helped.

[Guest guest]

> A suggestion about the shakes...I won't lie

> and say I like Myoplex...I use something else...but what helps

> mega in either one is mixing it with just eight ounces of water

> and some ice and putting a little fat free whip topping on it.

Hey, that sounds great! Two things: what other type of shake do you

use, and what " bad stuff " might be lurking in that whipped topping

(e.g., partially hydrogenated oil)?

Thanks a ton,

Andy

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I can concur with Rosemary on the Optimum products. They sell one hell of a

protein (100% Whey) at $23.99 for 5#!! I buy mine at

Natural High (nathigh.com) and they will match any price and provide very good

customer service and quick delivery. They sell the

protein for $28.99 but tell them Vitamin Planet has it for $23.99 (which they

do) and they will match it. I like Optimums Pro Complex

Whey protein drinks as well for post workout. Taste great, 37 grams of whey

isolate, zero carbs.

Mike Pallante

Youngstown, Ohio USA

Godspeed to Dale Earnhardt!

Rosemary Wedderburn wrote:

> I've used lots of stuff, but there are two companies I especially like.

>

> The first is Life Extension Foundation (www.lef.org) which puts out an

> excellent quality multi-vitamin. I noticed the difference within a couple of

> days after switching over to them from Centrum. Be sure to order the capsules

> as the tablets were designed for the throats of large grazing animals. Also

> if Niacin bothers you (flushing), you can order them sans Niacin. They sell

> other, mostly health-oriented products, and are very reputable, although not

> cheap.

>

> I also like products by Optimum Nutrition. I like their protein powders and

> various other products. Optimum doesn't do a lot of hype-style advertising

> and gives you bang for your buck. You can find a complete product line on the

> net at < www.nutrition-discounters.com > which has always provided good

> service.

>

> Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon

> Venice, CA

>

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On 19 Feb 01, at 22:28, Rosemary Wedderburn wrote:

> I've used lots of stuff, but there are two companies I especially

> like.

>

> The first is Life Extension Foundation (www.lef.org) which puts out an

> excellent quality multi-vitamin. I noticed the difference within a

> couple of days after switching over to them from Centrum.

What difference did you notice?

- Hill

Westborough, USA

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Hi, there

I have 2 questions:

1. What is the value of taking Tribulus terrestris for a female athlete( dangers, precautions, mechanism of action)

2. What are new trends in warm up exercises, I heard that static stretching is not a valid option nowadays

Thanks

Tom

 

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I recommend creatine, multivitamins, extra vitamin c and udo's oil. And mass

quantities of really cold water, which acts as a thermogenic.

Tina

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On 3/1/01 at 11:57 PM nicole_locke@... wrote:

>I am looking for advice on which supplements I should take during the

>12 weeks that will give me the most effective results without

>breaking the bank. I have used the myoplex shakes before, but don't

>know much about which supplements will work for me. My goal is fat

>loss and becoming leaner/more defined. I know the BFL challenge

>should do this, but I want to make sure my 3 months produces the

>maximum results.....I am new to this group...so any other helpful

>advice is welcome.

>

>Thanks

>

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It is possible to do it without supplements. I use the shakes for pure convenience. I don't feel as though I would stick with it if I had to fix 6 meals per day. I don't think what is in the shake gives me anything whole foods can't - as a matter of fact whole foods would be a better option.

Good luck!

Sara

Is it possible to this without the supplements. Not that I'm against it totally but I never used any before and I'm not really sure about what to take. I'm not sure which of the meal replacement shakes to take. I just started BFL tuesday and want to do as much right as I can. Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

The book recommends starting with at most Myoplex Lite, Myoplex or Myoplex

Deluxe depending on size and goals. These are meal replacements and each

count as one of your six daily meals. And of course multivitamins and EFA's

(essential fatty acids) such as Udo's Choice Oil. If you eat a lot of

salmon and tuna and such you can reduce the supplements of EFA's. The most

widely used EAS supplement for fat loss goals is probably BetaGen (which

contains creatine monohydrate that supports replenishment of ATP in the

muscles and thus allows you to lift more weight and grow muscles faster, and

HMB which is used to suppress protein breakdown) and then there are a host

of thermogenics that boost the metabolism, such as Phen Free or many

effedra/caffeine style thermogenics, such as Beta Lean. Then there are

Glutamine supplements such as Cyto Vol which are called cell volumizers,

which are intended to create an environment that supports muscle growth.

Protein powder is merely a concentrated source of high quality protein that

can be combined with a carb to create a meal, or combined with foods when

you need to boost the protein content. Just some thoughts. Kit

[Guest guest]

The more I read/learn about supplements, the more confused I get.

But here's my routine: a high potency multi-vitamin and BetaGen with

breakfast everyday, BetaLean before my midmorning and midafternoon

meals Mon-Fri, L-glutamine only if I start feeling a particularly

rough (good?) weight workout by evening.

Feedback?

>

> Do most of you take the " primary " supplements as described on

the

> Hussman webpage.

>

> 1 scoop Cytovol before workout with a vitamin C

>

> 2 scoops of Cytovol after weight training workouts and a

serving of

> betagen (no cytovol on aerobic day)

>

> 1 Serving of Ctovol and Betagen before bedtime

>

>

> He sounds authoritative enough, it just seems like a lot of

> supplements

[Guest guest]

The more I read/learn about supplements, the more confused I get.

But here's my routine: a high potency multi-vitamin and BetaGen with

breakfast everyday, BetaLean before my midmorning and midafternoon

meals Mon-Fri, L-glutamine only if I start feeling a particularly

rough (good?) weight workout by evening.

Feedback?

>

> Do most of you take the " primary " supplements as described on

the

> Hussman webpage.

>

> 1 scoop Cytovol before workout with a vitamin C

>

> 2 scoops of Cytovol after weight training workouts and a

serving of

> betagen (no cytovol on aerobic day)

>

> 1 Serving of Ctovol and Betagen before bedtime

>

>

> He sounds authoritative enough, it just seems like a lot of

> supplements

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bob for your most interesting post. And I appreciate the

responsable manner in which you preface your personal usage.

It's only fair to mention more or less what I take.

Actually I take many of the same products in different dosages.

Am doing moderate CRON, low GI carbs etc. no junk food at all, no processed

foods at all. Fish 4 times a week, many different vegetables and cruciferous

ones everyday.

I take chinese herb tonic that I make in a steamer containing fresh ginseng,

poria cocos, red dates, licorice, schizandra, and cinnamon bark. It tastes

heavenly! Then carnosine (1 gr) and another gr during the day on empty

stomach. NADH as I read somewhere that it somewhat mimics CR (I can dig that

out if you wish) then a bkfst of yoghurt ,2 tblsp mixed grains, sesame

seeds, walnuts and blueberries. LEF mix, C,E,Selenium,B100, DHEA 25, Preg.

15, folic acid, B12, aminoguanidine (300mgs) Vivida protein for skin, chrom.

pic., NAC, niacinamide. Every other day 1mg Seligine. Calcium cit. boron,

vit D, mg, K.

Lunch is usually fish, or egg white omelet with veggies, or cottage cheese.

More LEF mix and then BAC powders- broccoli sprouts, bilberry, lutein,

lycopene, grape seed, curcumin, and axatanthin (sp).

Dinner is chicken, veggies, or tomato soup or salads.

Exercise 4 times a week, lift weights.

I would guess that most people on the list have similiar regimes. Otherwise

how would all those companies stay in business?

thanks again and best wishes!

MM

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[Guest guest]

You will notice that there will be many suggestions to seek a qualified

HP(homeopath) for any disturbances. This sounds serious enough not to guess at.

I am not an expert on HP but I do believe it is the best " medical " care

available. I have used it on several occassions and sometimes it has helped and

the times it hasn't,well, I probably need a follow up visit as ALL medical care

is guesswork and we probably need to guess a better remedy!

Laurie>Oh

Are there any of you out there who use homeopathic remedies with their

child who has seizures?

[Guest guest]

It may be cheaper to order directly from someplace like

www.netrition.com check out their prices.

I have fantastic workouts if I do a Myoplex lite about 30 minutes

prior to a weightlifting workout, nothing before any cardio. It

appears to help me get a few reps in because of the nutrients on

board. If I do a preworkout shake I won't do a postworkout shake too.

Maybe only a corner of a Luna Bar to help transport my creatine dose

also taken postworkout.

Usually they are recommended for postworkout to replace what was

depleted and to assist in muscle building and recovery. They are just

as good for using for convenience instead of the local Pizza takeout

or vending machines. Or any other time you might be caught without

food prepared. I carry either a shake envelope or a bar in my purse

at all times like some women carry lipstick. It has made lots of

difference as far as success or failure.

Welcome, and I wish you the best with BFL. Let us know how you

progress.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen - just wanted to welcome you ... I'm not going to tell you anything about

supplements because I don't take them but there are some very knowledgeable

women on here who will give you the info you need.

Sounds like you are on track with your workouts ... lots of people run for their

cardio ...How would you hit your 10's jumping rope? Not sure about that.

Anyway, just wanted to wish you and your husband good luck on your challenge!

Rita

Supplements

I've been a member of this group for a couple of days and have

enjoyed reading through the strings of messages. You girls are so

inspiring and you make me laugh -- laughter is important through

this, isn't it??!!

Anyway, I'm having a problem with supplements. I don't know ANYTHING

about them and was hoping some of you ladies would tell me what you

take that seems to help -- and what exactly is some of this stuff?

I was reading an old chat transcript on the BFL website the other

day -- one of the former champions was saying that she used BetaGen,

BetaLean HP, Methoxy Factor HP, Simply Protein, and RiboForce HP. I

think there was one other thing too, but it escapes me at the

moment. What exactly do all these things do, and are

they " necessary " ? I mean, I trust Bill , but he wants to

sell products too, right? I just don't want to spend $40 here and

$70 there and $100 on this and that -- for things that really are

more of a placebo than anything else.

I do know that the BetaLean is an ephedrine-based fat burner, right?

Well, I used to take Metabolife back when it came out - and the

instructions said NOTHING about taking it 5 days on, 2 days off -- 12

weeks on - 2 weeks off -- nothing like that! So, I wonder if I built

up an immunity to ephendrine? I wonder if it will even work for me

now! It's been about 2 years since I took the Metabolife. Can you

rebuild your immunity to something once you lose it?

Thanks for any help you can give.

My husband and I are competing in this challenge and I want to make

sure I get all the information I can get about the supplements.

Oh -- and we have a Bowflex at home too. It makes a great home gym!

We live an hour from Baton Rouge -- so that's an hour drive in and

home for both of us -- and with 2 kids -- it's just not conveient to

join a gym. The Bowflex has some limitations when it comes to

following the BFL workouts -- Bill suggests the 12, 10, 8, 6 reps --

adding weight as you go -- well it's not that easy to add weight with

a Bowflex ... so if any of you ladies have a Bowflex you work out

with too -- and you can provide some advice, that'd be nice.

We're walking/jogging for our cardio, but I'm thinking about picking

up some aerobics tapes ... or maybe finding my jump rope to add to

the variety.

Thanks for all the inspirational words you girls have already given

me -- I just LOVE the friendly group you have here!

Jen

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I KNOW that's what would happen to me! lol

Re: Supplements

ribar wrote:

> How would you hit your 10's jumping rope? Not sure about that.

Jump faster

Which.. um.. is why I don't jump rope since I think I'd trip and end up

strangling myself somehow..

Serenity

[Guest guest]

>

> I've been a member of this group for a couple of days and have

> enjoyed reading through the strings of messages. You girls are so

> inspiring and you make me laugh -- laughter is important through

> this, isn't it??!!

Hiya Welcome to the group, Jen I don't believe in supplements so I can't

offer you any advice there.. but congrats on starting BFL

Serenity

[Guest guest]

ribar wrote:

> How would you hit your 10's jumping rope? Not sure about that.

Jump faster

Which.. um.. is why I don't jump rope since I think I'd trip and end up

strangling myself somehow..

Serenity

[Guest guest]

> Sounds like you are on track with your workouts ... lots of people run

> for their cardio ...How would you hit your 10's jumping rope?

It's hard to do the 20-minute cardio solution with jumprope, but it's

pretty easy to do intervals.

If you still have problems just jumpingrope, then your intervals might be:

- March in place, keeping knees high

- Jumprope

....and repeat

(remember that your intervals are based on " go like hell " then " active

recovery " . Like running like an axe murderer is chasing you for a full

60-seconds, then jogging and recovering your breath for 1-2 minutes.)

If you can already jumprope pretty well, then your intervals might be:

- Jumprope

- Something fancy

" Fancy " in this case means the fun stuff. Alternate legs. Do

side-to-side ski-jumps. Alternate legs and have high knees. Or high

heels. If you're really good, try doing the cross-your-arms and

jump-through every 3-4 rotations (this is GREAT!). One foot jumps.

Double turn. Squaredance, if you can, just MOVE and move FAST!

It's a stupendous pylometric workout. I highly recommend! 20 minutes

will feel like an eternity!

-- gnat!

[Guest guest]

Well, there is a LOT of confusion out there about supplements. If

you call EAS, they will ship you their FREE supplement guide. It

tells you nearly everything you want to know about nearly every

supplement that exists. (and, it does nto just tout the benefits of

EAS stuff!). That said........

Many will argure that you do nto NEED supplements. Well, they are

right. However, there are some supplements that will HELP YOU get to

where you are goign faster and/or stronger.

In general, you want to stick with the stuff that has been *tried and

true* - and avoid the *new* type supplements (as you will nto knwo

the long term effects of this. Let someone else be the guinea pig!)

Personally, I just take BetaGen and Cyto_Vol (glutamine).

I also use MRP's such as Myoplex, Met-RX, and whey protein powder.

(but I consider that more of a food than a supplement.) I had great

results on C1, 2 and 3!

Hope this helps.

Jill

>

>

> Anyway, I'm having a problem with supplements. I don't know

ANYTHING

> about them and was hoping some of you ladies would tell me what you

> take that seems to help -- and what exactly is some of this stuff?

>

> I was reading an old chat transcript on the BFL website the other

> day -- one of the former champions was saying that she used

BetaGen,

> BetaLean HP, Methoxy Factor HP, Simply Protein, and RiboForce HP.

I

> think there was one other thing too, but it escapes me at the

> moment. What exactly do all these things do, and are

> they " necessary " ? I mean, I trust Bill , but he wants to

> sell products too, right? I just don't want to spend $40 here and

> $70 there and $100 on this and that -- for things that really are

> more of a placebo than anything else.

[Guest guest]

It's probably 80-90% diet. So, I agree with the " no matter how hard and long you

exercise " statement. It's all about your diet. Thermogenics only cause you to

burn an extra 150-300 cals a day by raising your metabolism. If you train hard

and eat clean, you can easily make up that difference with no pills. There have

been lots of great transformations here without supplements.

Supplements

Hi All,

I have been going to CalFit since July 2002. Lots of girls are

loosing weight & shaping up like crazy before my very eyes. Just the

other day, one of them told me that no matter how hard and long I

exercise, I am not going to see results as much as them coz they

take supplements such as Fat Burners, Metabolism Increase Pills and

so forth. Care to share some of your thoughts?

Luv,

Geri

[Guest guest]

It's probably 80-90% diet. So, I agree with the " no matter how hard and long you

exercise " statement. It's all about your diet. Thermogenics only cause you to

burn an extra 150-300 cals a day by raising your metabolism. If you train hard

and eat clean, you can easily make up that difference with no pills. There have

been lots of great transformations here without supplements.

Supplements

Hi All,

I have been going to CalFit since July 2002. Lots of girls are

loosing weight & shaping up like crazy before my very eyes. Just the

other day, one of them told me that no matter how hard and long I

exercise, I am not going to see results as much as them coz they

take supplements such as Fat Burners, Metabolism Increase Pills and

so forth. Care to share some of your thoughts?

Luv,

Geri

[Guest guest]

I dont know about vitamin E,,, but my doctors nurse told me the other day that Liqued Vitamins are better than regular ones,,, since most of us have diseases that keep our bodies form absorbing nutrients,,, she said its the best way to take your vitamins,,,, I have not started taking them yet,,, but when I do I will post to you all how or if they help!!! Thanks supplements can anyone help me to find out if vitamin e will really help me to feel better? i've heard that it does wonders for us types with chronic illness, but i was hoping for some sort of first-hand verification before i tried something new. can anyone help?~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ The Being Sick CommunityMessage Archives and Digest Attachment Pictures:-/messagesChat:- Scheduled Daily Chats at /chatBookmarks:-Add a website URL you have found useful./linksPersonal Complaints or problems:-Please contact a moderator email: -owner Subscription Details:-1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your convenience and receive no email.To modify your subscription settings please visit:- /joinTo subscribe or unsubscribe please email:--subscribe -unsubscribe ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~When nothing is sure, everything is possible.--- Margaret Drabble~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~

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Hello Harold, Welcome to the group. There are a lot of nice folks on here, hope you can find the answers that you need. I will try and find some site for you.

What are you ailing from, if I may ask???

((( Welcoming hugs)))

Helen

can anyone help me to find out if vitamin e will really help me to

feel better? i've heard that it does wonders for us types with

chronic illness, but i was hoping for some sort of first-hand

verification before i tried something new. can anyone help?

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