Supplements

[Guest guest]

johnna <eyore6-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=12290

> I was just wondering how everyone knows he DID NOT

> endorse the supplements? Did someone ask HIM?

> sometimes all it takes is for someone to say are these

> good? If he says sure...that is an endorsement. It

> might be a crock, but people are usually careful about

> saying things like that if they are not

> true...lawsuits and the like. Just wondering...I have

> no idea either way.

na,

Awhile ago, a bunch of us got this e-mail from someone trying to sell

nutritional supplements that were supposedly endorsed by Blanks.

It was a multi level marketing type company and they were looking for

people to become distributors. It sounded like a scam and we all

wondered if did, in fact, endorse this particular supplement.

What we found out from taeboqueen, who left a message over on the taebo

boards, was that the same company that distributes the taebo also

distributes this particular nutritional supplement, but that ,

himself, does not endorse these products. So, I am just assuming that

this person is from that same company and is trying to get whoever it

is that buys those tapes from him/her to become a distributor of the

products. It's just that it's an outright lie to say that Blanks

endorses these products, when he doesn't. I just think it's so

unscrupulous of someone to try to persuade someone who might not know

as much about the whole situation and might believe the claim. As far

as I know, does not endorse any nutritional supplements.

who knows she would be persuaded to try a product if endorsed it

knows that there are others out there who will probably see this ebay

ad and think it is legit

[Guest guest]

na,

Those of us who have been here for a while got solicited by someone

marketing these products through e-mail. I checked the Tae-bo website

to see if had endorsed the products. I was skeptical because he

poo-poos both exercise and diet gimics. In addition (if I recall

correctly), the products contain ephedra which has been proven harmful

to some people (like me!). I e-mailed the person back (a woman) and

told her my thoughts. She responded that she worked for a company that

also markets 's tapes, and that I would be receiving a catalog

from the company by snailmail that included the products and 's

tapes. I never received the catalog. I also haven't seen anything

regarding the products with 's endorsement...has anyone else?

;-)

F

johnna <eyore6-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=12290

> I was just wondering how everyone knows he DID NOT

> endorse the supplements? Did someone ask HIM?

> sometimes all it takes is for someone to say are these

> good? If he says sure...that is an endorsement. It

> might be a crock, but people are usually careful about

> saying things like that if they are not

> true...lawsuits and the like. Just wondering...I have

> no idea either way.

>

> na

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think he did - in his book he is against any fad diets and

such. I really think that, this person probably like me, when I got

this e-mail, I really wondered if it came from himself and that

is why it was mentioned on the TB board to make sure I think. This

person probably just took that to mean that was for it. I could

be wrong though. Won't be the first time or the last !!!!

johnna <eyore6-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=12290

> I was just wondering how everyone knows he DID NOT

> endorse the supplements? Did someone ask HIM?

> sometimes all it takes is for someone to say are these

> good? If he says sure...that is an endorsement. It

> might be a crock, but people are usually careful about

> saying things like that if they are not

> true...lawsuits and the like. Just wondering...I have

> no idea either way.

>

> na

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

na wrote:

I was just wondering how everyone knows he DID NOT

endorse the supplements? Did someone ask HIM?

sometimes all it takes is for someone to say are these

good? If he says sure...that is an endorsement. It

might be a crock, but people are usually careful about

saying things like that if they are not

true...lawsuits and the like. Just wondering...I have

no idea either way.

__________________________________________________I actually asked the guy on ebay if he could document 's official endorsement of the supplements. We'll see if he responds. I'm assuming endorsement should be official if it going to be used for matketing purposes.

Luci

[Guest guest]

" lucinda " <lucih-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=12503

> na wrote:I was just wondering how everyone knows he DID NOT

> endorse the supplements? Did someone ask HIM?

> sometimes all it takes is for someone to say are these

> good? If he says sure...that is an endorsement. It

> might be a crock, but people are usually careful about

> saying things like that if they are not

> true...lawsuits and the like. Just wondering...I have

> no idea either way.

> __________________________________________________

>

> I actually asked the guy on ebay if he could document 's

official endorsement of the supplements. We'll see if he responds. I'm

assuming endorsement should be official if it going to be used for

matketing purposes.

>

> Luci

>

I was wondering this same thing---we dont really know what has or

has not said behind the scenes, thats why I figure if TQ knows and she

has close ties to and Taebo than they all certainly know about

Malibu's mailings....whether they (taebo) agree or disagree with what

Malibu's advertising does we dont really know--how could we possibly?

Either way I'm sure its in good hands.

cyndy

[Guest guest]

I agree, it is in good hands. so does not need

my help. I am sure this is a multi million dollar

empire, and I bet he has excellent high priced

lawyers!!!

na

--- cyndy <cyndyg@...> wrote:

>

> " lucinda " <lucih-@...> wrote:

> original

>

article:tae-bo_on/?start=12503

> > na wrote:I was just wondering how everyone

> knows he DID NOT

> > endorse the supplements? Did someone ask HIM?

> > sometimes all it takes is for someone to say are

> these

> > good? If he says sure...that is an endorsement. It

> > might be a crock, but people are usually careful

> about

> > saying things like that if they are not

> > true...lawsuits and the like. Just wondering...I

> have

> > no idea either way.

> > __________________________________________________

> >

> > I actually asked the guy on ebay if he could

> document 's

> official endorsement of the supplements. We'll see

> if he responds. I'm

> assuming endorsement should be official if it going

> to be used for

> matketing purposes.

> >

> > Luci

> >

> I was wondering this same thing---we dont really

> know what has or

> has not said behind the scenes, thats why I figure

> if TQ knows and she

> has close ties to and Taebo than they all

> certainly know about

> Malibu's mailings....whether they (taebo) agree or

> disagree with what

> Malibu's advertising does we dont really know--how

> could we possibly?

> Either way I'm sure its in good hands.

> cyndy

>

>

>

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> than overweight folks trying to drop some pounds

> temporarily cuz Haste doe not make a Waist "

>

[Guest guest]

1st--Hello neighbor--I live in Lake Co--but I sure love the Napa

Valley--beautiful wine country.

Before anyone can help you--we need your stats and goals. ex: bf%,

wt, & goals. Then some of our champs can tell you what works for

them--if similar. We have alot of experienced and informative folks

here, who have done there home work. Congrats on making the decision

to accept the challenge, you should be very proud.

BFL friend Taz

grady sibert <gsiber-@...> wrote:

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> I am starting my 3rd week tomorrow and currently use 3 myoplex a day

with 3 servings of Betagen and Phen-Free on my cardio days. My goal is

to loose BF and pack on some serious muscle. My question, would I

benefit from Cytovol and Neurogain? What supplements is everyone else

using?

>

> Thanks for all your help,

> Grady in Napa, CA

>

[Guest guest]

Grady: My husband also had to decrease his bodyfat, but He didn't need

to lose poundage (scale wt), he did want to build muscle. He used phen

free only on cardio days--myoplex,phos hp, betagen---he lost bf%

without losing scale wt--so that worked for him. Me--well I'm a lite

wt. I prefer: myoplex-betagen and cytovol. I've made great gains in

muscle size and strength & I've lost bf% without losing scale wt.

OK team your turn. Taz

grady sibert <gsiber-@...> wrote:

original article:bodyforlife/?start=5053

> I am starting my 3rd week tomorrow and currently use 3 myoplex a day

with 3 servings of Betagen and Phen-Free on my cardio days. My goal is

to loose BF and pack on some serious muscle. My question, would I

benefit from Cytovol and Neurogain? What supplements is everyone else

using?

>

> Thanks for all your help,

> Grady in Napa, CA

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All -

The supplements question is a good one. I am just getting back into the

groove of it all and am at about 35% bf (checking today for the total). My

goal is to loose bf and gain definition. I still have most of my strength

(had to ask the gym to get heavier weights). I am taking phen-free and doing

the shakes. Should I take betagen? My understanding is that it will power

up my weight training and help with the muscles. Is this correct? What else

should I be taking?

Also, I am training for a marathon as well. It is nearly impossible to get

the required mileage in each day as I don't have 3-4 hours to spend on the

treadmill. Do any of you have an idea how best to keep up with the intensive

cardio and train for long distances?

Thanks - and I am loving this group!

Theresa

[Guest guest]

Thanks kit, it was very helpful. As of right now IM not officially in the

challenge because IM about to move from TX to Ky. when I get to KY and I get

settled down I will start. probably round 3 or 4. IM in the army and I know

its going to be tough but I know I can do it. my wife is going to work out

with me but not do the challenge(yet). Thanks again. This group is teaching

me alot since I sort of fell into it from bodyforlife club a couple of weeks

ago.

Mike

[Guest guest]

I just checked with NEEDS this week on Efamol. They carry it.

Phil

[Guest guest]

I'm still a little confused on the BETAGEN and the PHEN FREE and the HMB.

Are you supposed to take all of these or just one? I don't have my BF Books

right in front of me right now, so I may have these supplements spelled wrong

or have them all wrong all together. I was just wondering about these.

Shel

[Guest guest]

Just the BetaLean is not allowed. Ask before buying and read the label. Look for

either Ephedra (sometimes called Ephedrine) or Ma Huang. Those are the only two

of concern that you aren't allowed to take.

-

[Guest guest]

Dr. Whitaker says to take only capsules and not tablets. The brand TWIN

LABS is highly recommended. Their daily caps come with or without iron,

whichever you prefer. I stick to only name brand, highly reputable

companies for vitamins. Of course, healthy eating is the best

recommendation, but I believe that added supplementation is necessary in our

society today, well, I don't have to tell you why, I think you know....

Kat

[Guest guest]

Dear Colin,

You got it. Food wins out against synthetics every day.

Standard Process has always made quality products.

Flora has excellent products.

Trophic is a newer company with good quality.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

Re: Cont.

>

>

> I've just been reading Saul Pressman's excellent book, 'The Owner's

Manual

> For The Human Body' and I'd be a bit careful about supplements. The

> chemicals, which Saul cites, used to make synthetic vitamins sound

> horrendous. I get the impression Saul would recommend taking molasses,

> brewer's yeast, spirulina, bee pollen and other such 'super foods' over

> synthetic vitamins any day. Is this so, Saul? Relatedly, are there

commonly

> available brands of vitamins that are naturally derived and thus superior

to

> the synthetic stews listed in your book?

> Colin Yardley

>

> > I also take a long list of suppliments and I practice a gentle form

> > of yoga. I have a horse I ride weekly, and I'm trying to regain lost

> > confidence through trial riding. I have gone vegetarian, which was no

> > big switch for me, and just bought a juicer. I eat MAYBE 20gr of

> > saturated fat a day. I try to stay organic.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I found a multivitamin without iron (for those with liver problems) that is

really quite good. The name is Purity's Perfect Multi. Check out their

website, I believe it's purityperfect.com, they've got some other good

products as well.

Dr. Whitaker says to take only capsules and not tablets. The brand TWIN

>LABS is highly recommended. Their daily caps come with or without iron,

>whichever you prefer. I stick to only name brand, highly reputable

>companies for vitamins. Of course, healthy eating is the best

>recommendation, but I believe that added supplementation is necessary in

>our society today, well, I don't have to tell you why, I think you know....

>:)Kat

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I often buy from the Vitamin Shoppe. They have an extensive catalogue

and are also great for non-vitamin items such as non-fluoride

toothpaste, face cleansers and creams. And they provide excellent,

speedy service.

I would, however, like to bring everyone's attention to www.daair.org .

Although their main focus is AIDS, they also have good information on

other diseases such as Hepatitis and CFIDS. They have a buyers' club

which combines low prices, huge selection (in terms of therapeutic

products), very good brands such as Jarrow and some fairly exotic items,

which are not so easy to find. The price of membership is very

reasonable, starting at $5.00, based on income.

Lana

> I order all of mine from the Vitamin Shoppe.....they are sometimes 40%

off

> reg price. http://www.VitaminnShoppe.com or call 1-800-223-1216

and

> they will send you a catalog. They have lots of different brands. I

use

> all natural personal products made by Aubrey and they are also in

> there. They make products for men also.

>

> Erma

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>>You got it. Food wins out against synthetics every day.

Standard Process has always made quality products.

Flora has excellent products.

Trophic is a newer company with good quality.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh<<

Dr. Pressman,

I could not find any info. from web searches on Trophic and for

Flora could only find a company called R. Flora & associates. Can you

give any contact information on these two?

TIA,

Scot

[Guest guest]

Hi Scot,

I'm not in gear to get out and hoof the streets yet, so I found some

info. on Flora Inc. and Trophic Canada:

Trophic Canada Ltd.

1-800-663-4136,

Fax 1-250-492-5066

260 Okanagan Ave East

Penticton, BC V2A 3J7

Flora Inc. herbs are sold at vitaminshoppe.com

J.

[Guest guest]

Dear Scot,

Trophic is headquartered in Toronto, Ontario.

Flora is headquartered in Burnaby, BC.

Try directory assistance for those two locations.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

Re: Supplements

> >>You got it. Food wins out against synthetics every day.

> Standard Process has always made quality products.

> Flora has excellent products.

> Trophic is a newer company with good quality.

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh<<

>

> Dr. Pressman,

> I could not find any info. from web searches on Trophic and for

> Flora could only find a company called R. Flora & associates. Can you

> give any contact information on these two?

> TIA,

> Scot

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I too have tried many supplements and sorted through the garbage and found

several compounds that have helped me a great deal. Many people take a

supplement for ergogenic results. Some will produce results that you can

" feel " while others are less obvious. A thermogenic, for example, gives me a

big boost almost instantly. Creatine takes a little longer to show up but I

do notice strength increases fairly quickly.

Supplements that are intended to help recovery have produced the great

results for me lately. A product called Glutacene is a branched chain

amino/glutamine product in a powder form taken before and after the workout.

My workouts are very intense and I usually experience a level of " soreness " ,

but my soreness has decreased drastically since using Glutacene. My

recovery is through the roof and my training capacity has increased. In a

brief period of time my lean mass has gone up while body fat has gone down.

My diet and training are the primary reason for the improved body

composition, but research proves that BCAAS is big doses helps to improve

body comp.

I first learned about BCAA from Poliquin. At the time BCAAs were his

favorite supp for gaining size. Dr Serrano also advocates the

Glutacene, and helped to reformulate the product.

I shared this info because I wanted people to know about a great product

that will provide great benefits to any trainee. My customers love the

stuff and keep reordering at a rapid pace.

[Please supply any references which support the anecdotal evidence - many

readers should be most interested in reading them. Glutacene contains

L-Glutamine 3000mg, L-Leucine 2000mg, L-Isoleucine 750mg and L-Valine 2000mg and

costs around $60 a lb (or $140 a kilo) - is there adequate research which shows

that this mixture of glutamine and branched chain aminos is worth the high cost?

I noticed that you had an article giving Dr Rossi's views on glutacene - maybe

other readers would care to comment on it at:

<http://www.infinityfitness.com/articles_glutacene.shtml> Mel Siff ]

Thanks

H. Mendelson

managing director www.infinityfitness.com

-----Original Message-----

From: Eddie White<EWHITE@...> wrote:

Anyone,

I have probably read or tried every known lifting routine in the past thirty

years of lifting and along the way tried every new apparatus and supplement

to improve my totals in powerlifting. Somehow in spite of that I have

become quite strong but considerably poorer. My question is: Other than

some proven substances such as creatine, protein, vitamins and minerals, has

anyone had any success with most of the over the counter supplements on the

market today such as the prohormones, HGH stimulators, testosterone

enhancers, or are these just another waste of our money? Any advice from

the experts would be greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure most of the

other lifters who subscribe to this group. Thanks in advance.

[Guest guest]

" H. Mendelson " wrote:

> Supplements that are intended to help recovery have produced the great

> results for me lately. A product called Glutacene is a branched chain

> amino/glutamine product in a powder form taken before and after the workout.

> My workouts are very intense and I usually experience a level of " soreness " ,

> but my soreness has decreased drastically since using Glutacene. My

> recovery is through the roof and my training capacity has increased. In a

> brief period of time my lean mass has gone up while body fat has gone down.

> My diet and training are the primary reason for the improved body

> composition, but research proves that BCAAS is big doses helps to improve

> body comp.

I can't cite any references for you, Dr Siff, but anecdotally I can say that

this stuff also works for me. I am very skeptical of OTC ergogens and the whole

fraudulent supplement industry as a whole. But as a natural trainee of 10 years

now, I will use only products that are cost effective in regards to real world

results for me. I use differing periodized schemes when I train and for

physique augmentation only (I am a former collegiate basketball player). I have

found Glutacene to aid me in my recovery abilities while training and also help

in keeping me leaner while at the same time not eating a diet conducive to

staying lean.

> I first learned about BCAA from Poliquin. At the time BCAAs were his

> favorite supp for gaining size. Dr Serrano also advocates the

> Glutacene, and helped to reformulate the product.

From my experience, I would recommend it to anyone looking for a slight edge in

their battle to build muscle and lose bodyfat.

Jay

Pasadena, CA

[Guest guest]

Excluding ZMA and glutamine, there is very little reputable evidence behind

any of the testosterone, GH boosters. If anyone knows if such studies exist

then can you supply the references please (excluding glutamine). Tribulus is

one substance that lacks support apart form " in house " studies, the same

can be said for methoxy isoflavone.

Thanks

Darren

Supplements

> Anyone,

>

> I have probably read or tried every known lifting routine in the past

thirty years of lifting and along the way tried every new apparatus and

supplement to improve my totals in powerlifting. Somehow in spite of that I

have become quite strong but considerably poorer. My question is: Other

than some proven substances such as creatine, protein, vitamins and

minerals, has anyone had any success with most of the over the counter

supplements on the market today such as the prohormones, HGH stimulators,

testosterone enhancers, or are these just another waste of our money? Any

advice from the experts would be greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure most

of the other lifters who subscribe to this group. Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>

> If volume of daily discussion seems too great, simply change your

subscription to receive web mail which you can choose to read at:

>

> supertraining

>

> when you are less busy. Modify your subscription here:

>

> mygroups

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you know anything about Hydroxycut ? I read in a muscle magazine that it

was the best product to burn fat & gain muscle. I recently started taking

it & it is expensive. Am I wasting my money on another false claim ?

> Re: Supplements

>

>

>

> Excluding ZMA and glutamine, there is very little reputable evidence

> behind

> any of the testosterone, GH boosters. If anyone knows if such studies

> exist

> then can you supply the references please (excluding glutamine). Tribulus

> is

> one substance that lacks support apart form " in house " studies, the same

> can be said for methoxy isoflavone.

>

> Thanks

> Darren

>

>

>

>

> Supplements

>

>

> > Anyone,

> >

> > I have probably read or tried every known lifting routine in the past

> thirty years of lifting and along the way tried every new apparatus and

> supplement to improve my totals in powerlifting. Somehow in spite of that

> I

> have become quite strong but considerably poorer. My question is: Other

> than some proven substances such as creatine, protein, vitamins and

> minerals, has anyone had any success with most of the over the counter

> supplements on the market today such as the prohormones, HGH stimulators,

> testosterone enhancers, or are these just another waste of our money? Any

> advice from the experts would be greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure

> most

> of the other lifters who subscribe to this group. Thanks in advance.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > If volume of daily discussion seems too great, simply change your

> subscription to receive web mail which you can choose to read at:

> >

> > supertraining

> >

> > when you are less busy. Modify your subscription here:

> >

> > mygroups

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jay, I read your article posted on a supplement called Glutacene,it sounds

great ....... Where can I find it?

Thank you

Baptist Nupieri

[search for it with the following metasearch engine:

http://www.metacrawler.com

Mel Siff]