Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 Just to show you how much the military personnel giving the shot " care " , they are not asking any females if there is a chance they might be pregnant. Since we just pulled out of port less than 3 days ago, shouldn't they wait to find out if any of these girls are pregnant? If not wait shouldn't they even ask. I may be wrong but it doesn't seem right to me. I took my 1st shot today. I felt like I had no choice. They are telling us anyone who refuses the shot is going to get 60 days restriction and will also have to wear their gas mask and MOPP level suit 24/7. The MOPP level suit is a thick suit that protects against toxic agents. While wearing the suit it's about 100 degrees in the suit, give or take. I talked to 3 people in medical yesterday and they all said the same thing, " This is one of the most safest shots we have today " . It's like they are prompted about what to say when asked questions about the shot. The only way that I can make myself feel better about taking the shot is by telling myself that, it's in Gods'' hands. Whatever He wants to happen will happen. If anyone has anymore information about the squalene please let me know. My next shot is in 2 weeks. If I can get the article in my hands before then, then I will refuse my next shot. Before I took my shot today, I asked them about the squalene, they didn't verbally say anything, the doctor just shook his head. I think that was his way of saying " I don't know. " I'll keep everyone informed. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 1999 Report Share Posted April 16, 1999 P. , My prayers are with you! God will take care of you! Hang tough!!!!!! Marty, Capt, USAFR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 Dear , There are a couple of things they can do: 1) Have sex only once a week to build up the number of viable sperm in between. 2) Time it so that it is 2 weeks after her last period. 3) She should go and spend a full day with a friend who has a young baby, holding the baby as much as possible. This will cause production of hormones in her body that make it easier for her to get pregnant. 4) There are clinics that do artificial insemination using the husbands sperm. Many couples have had success with a little assistance. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Pregnancy > Dear list > > I have a colleague who is desperately trying to become pregnant. Her husband has a high sperm count but he has only got '4% normal sperm', the rest are 'abnormal' and she cannot fall pregnant from those. Apparently 15% of normal sperm is the minimum requirement. Now, we all know what has to be done:) but can anything be done to assist and increase the number of normal sperm? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 Hi , He must stop ALL fortified foods as synthetic thiamine is involved in chemical castration. I would tell him to check out what he eats and the source of his supplements too. No artificial vitamins containing thiamine hydrochloride etc. This is my first suggestion as there are others but something needs to be done that is for sure. What about not wearing tight clothing that heat up the pelvic area and reduce the sperm? Hope this starts to help. Sande Pregnancy > Dear list > > I have a colleague who is desperately trying to become pregnant. Her husband has a high sperm count but he has only got '4% normal sperm', the rest are 'abnormal' and she cannot fall pregnant from those. Apparently 15% of normal sperm is the minimum requirement. Now, we all know what has to be done:) but can anything be done to assist and increase the number of normal sperm? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2000 Report Share Posted December 31, 2000 Does anyone know of any good sites/or journal articles/ info' for CFIDS and pregnancy? I want to pass along any accurate info to my OB/GYN. Thank you. M- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 In a message dated Thu, 21 Mar 2002 9:10:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, " kathleenstokes2000 " <kathleenstokes2000@...> writes: > Dear Group: > Maybe an important question: Did any of you mothers of girls > with autism have any of the following during pregnancy: > 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) > 2. Migraine headaches > 3. Urinary tract infection > 4. Weight loss during pregnancy > 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor > 6. Prolonged labor > 7. Prolonged prodomal labor (non-productive, before actual > dilating labor commenced) > 8. Muconeum present at birth of child > 9. Lower APGAR scores for child >> When my mom was pregnant with me, she might have had headaches...I was a 9-5 baby, not that prolonged. No muconeum, perfect Apgar...although I was a bit small for date, and she smoked & drank Diet Coke (caffine and aspartame, UGH) all through... Kassiane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 In a message dated Thu, 21 Mar 2002 9:10:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, " kathleenstokes2000 " <kathleenstokes2000@...> writes: > Dear Group: > Maybe an important question: Did any of you mothers of girls > with autism have any of the following during pregnancy: > 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) > 2. Migraine headaches > 3. Urinary tract infection > 4. Weight loss during pregnancy > 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor > 6. Prolonged labor > 7. Prolonged prodomal labor (non-productive, before actual > dilating labor commenced) > 8. Muconeum present at birth of child > 9. Lower APGAR scores for child >> When my mom was pregnant with me, she might have had headaches...I was a 9-5 baby, not that prolonged. No muconeum, perfect Apgar...although I was a bit small for date, and she smoked & drank Diet Coke (caffine and aspartame, UGH) all through... Kassiane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 The only one that describes me is Pitocin during labor, but I was induced so I had lots of the nasty stuff! Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Kathy- I have seen the stats on Hollander before and have long been interested in the effects of Pitocin. The fact that it opens the blood brain barrier so there is further assault by the Hep B- which Bridget had in the hospital (even though I didn't want to, I went along with it) just firms up my opinion that the Pitocin fits into Bridget's puzzle. Thank you for your efforts in this area even though it does not fit your own personal scenario! Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 -The only one off of that list I had was pitocin. I had high blood pressure and had to be induced 3 weeks early. She was a little small but had a 9 apgar. Joanna (mother of 6) In Autism_in_Girls@y..., " kathleenstokes2000 " <kathleenstokes2000@y...> wrote: > Dear Group: > Maybe an important question: Did any of you mothers of girls > with autism have any of the following during pregnancy: > 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) > 2. Migraine headaches > 3. Urinary tract infection > 4. Weight loss during pregnancy > 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor > 6. Prolonged labor > 7. Prolonged prodomal labor (non-productive, before actual > dilating labor commenced) > 8. Muconeum present at birth of child > 9. Lower APGAR scores for child > > Thank you in advance for your responses. > > Kathleen Stokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 -The only one off of that list I had was pitocin. I had high blood pressure and had to be induced 3 weeks early. She was a little small but had a 9 apgar. Joanna (mother of 6) In Autism_in_Girls@y..., " kathleenstokes2000 " <kathleenstokes2000@y...> wrote: > Dear Group: > Maybe an important question: Did any of you mothers of girls > with autism have any of the following during pregnancy: > 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) > 2. Migraine headaches > 3. Urinary tract infection > 4. Weight loss during pregnancy > 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor > 6. Prolonged labor > 7. Prolonged prodomal labor (non-productive, before actual > dilating labor commenced) > 8. Muconeum present at birth of child > 9. Lower APGAR scores for child > > Thank you in advance for your responses. > > Kathleen Stokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 At 3/21/02 02:08 PM +0000, you wrote: >Dear Group: > Maybe an important question: Did any of you mothers of girls >with autism have any of the following during pregnancy: > 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) > 2. Migraine headaches > 3. Urinary tract infection > 4. Weight loss during pregnancy > 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor > 6. Prolonged labor > 7. Prolonged prodomal labor (non-productive, before actual >dilating labor commenced) > 8. Muconeum present at birth of child > 9. Lower APGAR scores for child I did not have any of those. My autistic girl was full term, over 8lbs, and was born after a 2 hour unassisted (and unmedicated) labor. No complications of pregnacy or delivery and her apgar scores were 8 and 10. The 8 was because she was so blue after being delivered in 4 minutes. Mandie Caitie (April 17, 1998) and Molly (February 8, 2000) Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 At 3/21/02 02:08 PM +0000, you wrote: >Dear Group: > Maybe an important question: Did any of you mothers of girls >with autism have any of the following during pregnancy: > 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) > 2. Migraine headaches > 3. Urinary tract infection > 4. Weight loss during pregnancy > 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor > 6. Prolonged labor > 7. Prolonged prodomal labor (non-productive, before actual >dilating labor commenced) > 8. Muconeum present at birth of child > 9. Lower APGAR scores for child I did not have any of those. My autistic girl was full term, over 8lbs, and was born after a 2 hour unassisted (and unmedicated) labor. No complications of pregnacy or delivery and her apgar scores were 8 and 10. The 8 was because she was so blue after being delivered in 4 minutes. Mandie Caitie (April 17, 1998) and Molly (February 8, 2000) Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Pitocin was the #2 response on my 400 parent survey. It contains CHLORBUTUNOL, a known neurotoxin. It will fade into the baby via breastfeeding as well, and will open the blood brain barrier up at the same time we give them HEP b in the hospital, which will drive the mercury/virus deeper into neuro limbic systems, and also will stop maturation needed for connections to complete, as well as eat at myelin. There is your answer. Toxins of anykind, do have consequences. Kathy Pregnancy > Dear Group: > Maybe an important question: Did any of you mothers of girls > with autism have any of the following during pregnancy: > 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) > 2. Migraine headaches > 3. Urinary tract infection > 4. Weight loss during pregnancy > 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor > 6. Prolonged labor > 7. Prolonged prodomal labor (non-productive, before actual > dilating labor commenced) > 8. Muconeum present at birth of child > 9. Lower APGAR scores for child > > Thank you in advance for your responses. > > Kathleen Stokes > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 At 3/21/02 10:12 AM -0800, you wrote: >Pitocin was the #2 response on my 400 parent survey. It contains >CHLORBUTUNOL, a known >neurotoxin. It will fade into the baby via breastfeeding as well, and will >open the blood brain >barrier up at the same time we give them HEP b in the hospital, which will >drive the mercury/virus >deeper into neuro limbic systems, and also will stop maturation needed for >connections >to complete, as well as eat at myelin. There is your answer. Toxins of >anykind, do have >consequences. >Kathy unless you did some kind of control survey of parents with neurotypical kids this is meaningless. In the united states pitocin is very widely used. I would be very surprised if ANY group of women surveyed with that list didn't come up with pitocin as a very high rate of response. Did you have a control group?? not to mention most of your conclusions sound like unsubstantiated pseudoscience. What evidence do you have that opening up the BBB drives anything into the limbic system? Or that it " eats at myelin " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Go ahead and mock, but 400 parents of autistic children don't lie. We are also going to double blind this with non affected parents, so wait and see with the University of New Hampshire. I am pretty much assured that parents saw what they saw and experienced what they experienced. If not autism, most of these kids will also haved billirubin or renal function problems, and or some other consequence as individual as the diversity of the child. Chlorobutunol is a neurotoxin, look it up. The theory that I spoke of is of concern to researchers I have spoken with over the last month. This is not the total cause, but a known problem that we have been seeing and they as to what can upset the apple cart already full. If you have a child that is susceptible to such injury, then this could be one more thing on their apple cart. Look up the words of DR Hollander in NY who sees the same thing, mothers who had pitocin and autism children. Of course, we mothers are not responsible for idiocy in our OB/GYN. For me personally, this does not fit, as I did not have pitocin, however I did have demirol and it had visual consequence to my baby with blue hands and feet . Chlorbutnol was also onced used with THIMERISOL to dilate eyes in doctors offices. I am checking on sources of this drug to see if thimerisol may be in it. Stay tuned. Birthing processes do have consequences to the child, no matter how you slice it. This from my paper : Dr. Hollander of New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine noticed several years ago that 60 percent of the autistic patients in his clinic had been exposed in the womb to pitocin, the synthetic version of a brain chemical (oxytocin) that helps induce labor. That could be significant, since only 20 percent of all births are assisted by pitocin. Or it could be a meaningless coincidence. In the hope of finding out, Hollander is now tracking 58,000 kids whose mothers' treatments were monitored during pregnancy. (AUTHORS NOTE) Pitocin, the drug itself isn't causing the problems, rather it is a preservative in the mixture called chlorobutanol that lawyers are alleging causes the dangerous side effects. Drugs trapped in the infant's brain at birth have the potential to affect adversely the rapidly developing nerve circuity of the brain and central nervous system by altering the following brain processes: The rate at which the nerve cells in the brain mature The process by which the brain cells develop individual characteristics and capacity to carry out specific functions The process by which the brain cells are guided into their proper place within the brain and central nervous system. The interconnection of the branch-like nerve fibers as the circuitry of the brain is formed, and The forming of the insulating sheath of myelin (fat-like substance) around the nerve fibers which helps to assure that the nerve impulses - the messages to and from the brain - will travel their normal route at the normal rate of speed. Dr. ph Altman, neurobiologist, University of Indiana, pointed out at a Washington Conference on the Precursor of Learning Disability that the development of the human brain appears to be programmed so that certain cells and nerve fibers must develop in synchrony, in order to make appropriate connections within the central nervous system. He expressed concern that drug-induced alterations of the chemical components within the brain may interfere with the growth of the cells and nerve fibers, causing subtle or substantial misconnections within the developing brain. To better understand this hypothesis, picture a technician preparing to connect hundreds of wires. The ends of each wire are color-coded, to serve as a guide as to which wire should be connected with another. A chemical is spilled over the wires, removing the color. To meet his schedule the technician must continue to connect the wires, unable to be sure which wire to connect to another.The job is finished on schedule, the system functions, but functions imperfectly. Any alteration in the development of the intricately complex nerve circuitry of the brain has the potential for permanently altering the way the brain processes and responds to information. How much an individual fetus or newborn infant will be affected by a drug administered to the mother during pregnancy, childbirth or lactation is unpredictable. Genetic susceptibility, which affects the final outcome, varies greatly, even among siblings. Well-controlled experiments in animals, for example, often produce varying results in the test animals, even among litter mates. Most physicians and pharmaceutical manufacturers are quick to say that there is no drug on the market that is without risk. None of the drugs or chemicals used as medications or food additives, or in shampoo, hair coloring, underarm deodorants and skin treatments, and the like, have been subjected to a well-controlled scientific investigation to determine what effect the drug or chemical has on the fetus. That doesn't mean that all of these drugs and chemicals are harmful. It just means that we do not know if there are any adverse effects on the fetus and newborn. During a normal contraction the maternal blood vessels which carry oxygenated blood through the uterine wall to the placenta are constricted. During these periods of diminished blood flow the oxygen in the mother's blood, which stores up in the placenta's intervillous space between contractions maintains the fetal brain with a relatively constant supply of oxygen. Uterine stimulants which foreshorten these oxygen-replenishing intervals, by making the contractions too long, too strong, or too close together, increase the likelihood that brain cells will die. The situation is somewhat analogous to holding an infant under the surface of the water, allowing the infant to come to the surface to gasp for air, but not to breathe. British scientific investigators have noted that the use of oxytocin to induce labor increases the incidence of jaundice in the newborn. Whether the frequent use of oxytocin in the United States to stimulate labor contributes to the high incidence of jaundice in the newborn period has yet to be investigated. I have a dear friend whos child is now severely impacted autistic, and brain damaged by such a delivery method. Her frightening details and paperwork show a mother panicking at the fact that doctors were pushing this labor way to fast, and damaaged the kid visually at the time of his first breath. If we are not visually seeing something, then I am alarmed personally of this drug in kids who have improper myelin formation in utero, or have some form of mercury poisining in utero, and or some other maturation difficulty, seen in autistic kids. As far as BBB. Look up how dilators do in fact open up the BBB. Kathy Re: Pregnancy > At 3/21/02 10:12 AM -0800, you wrote: > >Pitocin was the #2 response on my 400 parent survey. It contains > >CHLORBUTUNOL, a known > >neurotoxin. It will fade into the baby via breastfeeding as well, and will > >open the blood brain > >barrier up at the same time we give them HEP b in the hospital, which will > >drive the mercury/virus > >deeper into neuro limbic systems, and also will stop maturation needed for > >connections > >to complete, as well as eat at myelin. There is your answer. Toxins of > >anykind, do have > >consequences. > >Kathy > > unless you did some kind of control survey of parents with neurotypical > kids this is meaningless. > > In the united states pitocin is very widely used. I would be very > surprised if ANY group of women surveyed with that list didn't come up with > pitocin as a very high rate of response. Did you have a control group?? > > not to mention most of your conclusions sound like unsubstantiated > pseudoscience. What evidence do you have that opening up the BBB drives > anything into the limbic system? Or that it " eats at myelin " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 I'm sorry, I was not mocking And I AM a parent of an autistic child. I didn't say that your survey was or was not good science but what you stated on this loop alone was not. The fact that pitocin was used during the delivery of a lot of autistic children is meaningless without something to compare it to. And I have a masters degree in neuroscience. I do not need to look it up. My question was regarding your statements specifically about the limbic system. Do you have a reference? I can only assume that your defensiveness means that you either misunderstood me, or don't fully understand the topic you are discussing, or both. I was not I still maintain that half baked science HURTS us because it makes us look like a bunch of out-there people who don't know what they're talking about. Making broad claims without backing them up with actual evidence is the reason why the general medical community does not believe us when we tell them that mercury and vaccines are having detrimental effects on our children. Mandie At 3/21/02 10:53 AM -0800, you wrote: >Go ahead and mock, but 400 parents of autistic children don't lie. We are >also >going to double blind this with non affected parents, so wait and see with >the University of New Hampshire. I am pretty much assured that parents >saw what they saw and experienced what they experienced. If not autism, >most of these kids will also haved billirubin or renal function problems, >and >or some other consequence as individual as the diversity of the child. > >Chlorobutunol is a neurotoxin, look it up. > >The theory that I spoke of is of concern to researchers I have spoken with >over the last month. This is not the total cause, but a known problem >that we have been seeing and they as to what can upset the apple cart >already full. > >If you have a child that is susceptible to such injury, then this could >be one more thing on their apple cart. Look up the words of DR Hollander >in NY who sees the same thing, mothers who had pitocin and autism >children. > >Of course, we mothers are not responsible for idiocy in our OB/GYN. > >For me personally, this does not fit, as I did not have pitocin, however >I did have demirol and it had visual consequence to my baby with >blue hands and feet . > >Chlorbutnol was also onced used with THIMERISOL to dilate eyes >in doctors offices. I am checking on sources of this drug to see >if thimerisol may be in it. Stay tuned. > >Birthing processes do have consequences to the child, no matter how >you slice it. This from my paper : > >Dr. Hollander of New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine noticed >several years ago that 60 percent of the autistic patients in his clinic had >been exposed in the womb to pitocin, the synthetic version of a brain >chemical (oxytocin) that helps induce labor. That could be significant, >since only 20 percent of all births are assisted by pitocin. Or it could be >a meaningless coincidence. In the hope of finding out, Hollander is now >tracking 58,000 kids whose mothers' treatments were monitored during >pregnancy. >(AUTHORS NOTE) >Pitocin, the drug itself isn't causing the problems, rather it is a >preservative in the mixture called chlorobutanol that lawyers are alleging >causes the dangerous side effects. > >Drugs trapped in the infant's brain at birth have the potential to affect >adversely the rapidly developing nerve circuity of the brain and central >nervous system by altering the following brain processes: >The rate at which the nerve cells in the brain mature >The process by which the brain cells develop individual characteristics and >capacity to carry out specific functions >The process by which the brain cells are guided into their proper place >within the brain and central nervous system. >The interconnection of the branch-like nerve fibers as the circuitry of the >brain is formed, and >The forming of the insulating sheath of myelin (fat-like substance) around >the nerve fibers which helps to assure that the nerve impulses - the >messages to and from the brain - will travel their normal route at the >normal rate of speed. >Dr. ph Altman, neurobiologist, University of Indiana, pointed out at a >Washington Conference on the Precursor of Learning Disability that the >development of the human brain appears to be programmed so that certain >cells and nerve fibers must develop in synchrony, in order to make >appropriate connections within the central nervous system. He expressed >concern that drug-induced alterations of the chemical components within the >brain may interfere with the growth of the cells and nerve fibers, causing >subtle or substantial misconnections within the developing brain. >To better understand this hypothesis, picture a technician preparing to >connect hundreds of wires. The ends of each wire are color-coded, to serve >as a guide as to which wire should be connected with another. A chemical is >spilled over the wires, removing the color. To meet his schedule the >technician must continue to connect the wires, unable to be sure which wire >to connect to another.The job is finished on schedule, the system functions, >but functions imperfectly. >Any alteration in the development of the intricately complex nerve circuitry >of the brain has the potential for permanently altering the way the brain >processes and responds to information. How much an individual fetus or >newborn infant will be affected by a drug administered to the mother during >pregnancy, childbirth or lactation is unpredictable. Genetic susceptibility, >which affects the final outcome, varies greatly, even among siblings. >Well-controlled experiments in animals, for example, often produce varying >results in the test animals, even among litter mates. >Most physicians and pharmaceutical manufacturers are quick to say that there >is no drug on the market that is without risk. None of the drugs or >chemicals used as medications or food additives, or in shampoo, hair >coloring, underarm deodorants and skin treatments, and the like, have been >subjected to a well-controlled scientific investigation to determine what >effect the drug or chemical has on the fetus. >That doesn't mean that all of these drugs and chemicals are harmful. It just >means that we do not know if there are any adverse effects on the fetus and >newborn. > >During a normal contraction the maternal blood vessels which carry >oxygenated blood through the uterine wall to the placenta are constricted. >During these periods of diminished blood flow the oxygen in the mother's >blood, which stores up in the placenta's intervillous space between >contractions maintains the fetal brain with a relatively constant supply of >oxygen. Uterine stimulants which foreshorten these oxygen-replenishing >intervals, by making the contractions too long, too strong, or too close >together, increase the likelihood that brain cells will die. The situation >is somewhat analogous to holding an infant under the surface of the water, >allowing the infant to come to the surface to gasp for air, but not to >breathe. >British scientific investigators have noted that the use of oxytocin to >induce labor increases the incidence of jaundice in the newborn. Whether the >frequent use of oxytocin in the United States to stimulate labor contributes >to the high incidence of jaundice in the newborn period has yet to be >investigated. > >I have a dear friend whos child is now severely impacted autistic, and brain >damaged by such a delivery method. Her frightening details and paperwork >show a mother panicking at the fact that doctors were pushing this labor way >to fast, and damaaged the kid visually at the time of his first breath. If >we are not visually seeing something, then I am alarmed personally of this >drug in kids who have improper myelin formation in utero, or have some form >of mercury poisining in utero, and or some other maturation difficulty, seen >in autistic kids. > >As far as BBB. Look up how dilators do in fact open up the BBB. > >Kathy > > > > Re: Pregnancy > > > > At 3/21/02 10:12 AM -0800, you wrote: > > >Pitocin was the #2 response on my 400 parent survey. It contains > > >CHLORBUTUNOL, a known > > >neurotoxin. It will fade into the baby via breastfeeding as well, and >will > > >open the blood brain > > >barrier up at the same time we give them HEP b in the hospital, which >will > > >drive the mercury/virus > > >deeper into neuro limbic systems, and also will stop maturation needed >for > > >connections > > >to complete, as well as eat at myelin. There is your answer. Toxins of > > >anykind, do have > > >consequences. > > >Kathy > > > > unless you did some kind of control survey of parents with neurotypical > > kids this is meaningless. > > > > In the united states pitocin is very widely used. I would be very > > surprised if ANY group of women surveyed with that list didn't come up >with > > pitocin as a very high rate of response. Did you have a control group?? > > > > not to mention most of your conclusions sound like unsubstantiated > > pseudoscience. What evidence do you have that opening up the BBB drives > > anything into the limbic system? Or that it " eats at myelin " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Each of my kids were elective caesarean, have never been in labour, and don;t wish to ever experience it............the reason i have extremely small pelvis on the inside, so they tell me. Out of the 3 hannah, my HFA was so very tiny at birth, i am sure there is a link to her autism right there, but haven;t done any research into it. did anyone else have extra small babies??? Cheryl S Re: Pregnancy Go ahead and mock, but 400 parents of autistic children don't lie. We are also going to double blind this with non affected parents, so wait and see with the University of New Hampshire. I am pretty much assured that parents saw what they saw and experienced what they experienced. If not autism, most of these kids will also haved billirubin or renal function problems, and or some other consequence as individual as the diversity of the child. Chlorobutunol is a neurotoxin, look it up. The theory that I spoke of is of concern to researchers I have spoken with over the last month. This is not the total cause, but a known problem that we have been seeing and they as to what can upset the apple cart already full. If you have a child that is susceptible to such injury, then this could be one more thing on their apple cart. Look up the words of DR Hollander in NY who sees the same thing, mothers who had pitocin and autism children. Of course, we mothers are not responsible for idiocy in our OB/GYN. For me personally, this does not fit, as I did not have pitocin, however I did have demirol and it had visual consequence to my baby with blue hands and feet . Chlorbutnol was also onced used with THIMERISOL to dilate eyes in doctors offices. I am checking on sources of this drug to see if thimerisol may be in it. Stay tuned. Birthing processes do have consequences to the child, no matter how you slice it. This from my paper : Dr. Hollander of New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine noticed several years ago that 60 percent of the autistic patients in his clinic had been exposed in the womb to pitocin, the synthetic version of a brain chemical (oxytocin) that helps induce labor. That could be significant, since only 20 percent of all births are assisted by pitocin. Or it could be a meaningless coincidence. In the hope of finding out, Hollander is now tracking 58,000 kids whose mothers' treatments were monitored during pregnancy. (AUTHORS NOTE) Pitocin, the drug itself isn't causing the problems, rather it is a preservative in the mixture called chlorobutanol that lawyers are alleging causes the dangerous side effects. Drugs trapped in the infant's brain at birth have the potential to affect adversely the rapidly developing nerve circuity of the brain and central nervous system by altering the following brain processes: The rate at which the nerve cells in the brain mature The process by which the brain cells develop individual characteristics and capacity to carry out specific functions The process by which the brain cells are guided into their proper place within the brain and central nervous system. The interconnection of the branch-like nerve fibers as the circuitry of the brain is formed, and The forming of the insulating sheath of myelin (fat-like substance) around the nerve fibers which helps to assure that the nerve impulses - the messages to and from the brain - will travel their normal route at the normal rate of speed. Dr. ph Altman, neurobiologist, University of Indiana, pointed out at a Washington Conference on the Precursor of Learning Disability that the development of the human brain appears to be programmed so that certain cells and nerve fibers must develop in synchrony, in order to make appropriate connections within the central nervous system. He expressed concern that drug-induced alterations of the chemical components within the brain may interfere with the growth of the cells and nerve fibers, causing subtle or substantial misconnections within the developing brain. To better understand this hypothesis, picture a technician preparing to connect hundreds of wires. The ends of each wire are color-coded, to serve as a guide as to which wire should be connected with another. A chemical is spilled over the wires, removing the color. To meet his schedule the technician must continue to connect the wires, unable to be sure which wire to connect to another.The job is finished on schedule, the system functions, but functions imperfectly. Any alteration in the development of the intricately complex nerve circuitry of the brain has the potential for permanently altering the way the brain processes and responds to information. How much an individual fetus or newborn infant will be affected by a drug administered to the mother during pregnancy, childbirth or lactation is unpredictable. Genetic susceptibility, which affects the final outcome, varies greatly, even among siblings. Well-controlled experiments in animals, for example, often produce varying results in the test animals, even among litter mates. Most physicians and pharmaceutical manufacturers are quick to say that there is no drug on the market that is without risk. None of the drugs or chemicals used as medications or food additives, or in shampoo, hair coloring, underarm deodorants and skin treatments, and the like, have been subjected to a well-controlled scientific investigation to determine what effect the drug or chemical has on the fetus. That doesn't mean that all of these drugs and chemicals are harmful. It just means that we do not know if there are any adverse effects on the fetus and newborn. During a normal contraction the maternal blood vessels which carry oxygenated blood through the uterine wall to the placenta are constricted. During these periods of diminished blood flow the oxygen in the mother's blood, which stores up in the placenta's intervillous space between contractions maintains the fetal brain with a relatively constant supply of oxygen. Uterine stimulants which foreshorten these oxygen-replenishing intervals, by making the contractions too long, too strong, or too close together, increase the likelihood that brain cells will die. The situation is somewhat analogous to holding an infant under the surface of the water, allowing the infant to come to the surface to gasp for air, but not to breathe. British scientific investigators have noted that the use of oxytocin to induce labor increases the incidence of jaundice in the newborn. Whether the frequent use of oxytocin in the United States to stimulate labor contributes to the high incidence of jaundice in the newborn period has yet to be investigated. I have a dear friend whos child is now severely impacted autistic, and brain damaged by such a delivery method. Her frightening details and paperwork show a mother panicking at the fact that doctors were pushing this labor way to fast, and damaaged the kid visually at the time of his first breath. If we are not visually seeing something, then I am alarmed personally of this drug in kids who have improper myelin formation in utero, or have some form of mercury poisining in utero, and or some other maturation difficulty, seen in autistic kids. As far as BBB. Look up how dilators do in fact open up the BBB. Kathy Re: Pregnancy > At 3/21/02 10:12 AM -0800, you wrote: > >Pitocin was the #2 response on my 400 parent survey. It contains > >CHLORBUTUNOL, a known > >neurotoxin. It will fade into the baby via breastfeeding as well, and will > >open the blood brain > >barrier up at the same time we give them HEP b in the hospital, which will > >drive the mercury/virus > >deeper into neuro limbic systems, and also will stop maturation needed for > >connections > >to complete, as well as eat at myelin. There is your answer. Toxins of > >anykind, do have > >consequences. > >Kathy > > unless you did some kind of control survey of parents with neurotypical > kids this is meaningless. > > In the united states pitocin is very widely used. I would be very > surprised if ANY group of women surveyed with that list didn't come up with > pitocin as a very high rate of response. Did you have a control group?? > > not to mention most of your conclusions sound like unsubstantiated > pseudoscience. What evidence do you have that opening up the BBB drives > anything into the limbic system? Or that it " eats at myelin " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 No, I had a normal delivery and she came on her due date in the middle of the biggest snowstorm. The doctor did break my water, however, at 5:30 p.m. and she was born at 6:31 p.m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Mandie In what way am I hurting you? Never my intent. What I am saying, and am talking to Dr Barbara Brewitt from Biomed, is that indeed this could be a mechanism, not full cause, a mechanism. Don't look past it becuase you haven't been taught it or that a mere parent can dream up such a scenario to form a conclusion? I have a brain too, and I use it, most of the time.LOL.. I am making new conclusions and will be evaluated soon, trust me. Fewer oxytocin receptors create less attachment in relationships. 1. Bell IR, CS, Schwartz GE. An olfactory-limbic model of multiple chemical sensitivity syndrome: possible relationships to kindling and autism affective spectrum disorders. Biol Psychiatry 1992 Aug 1;32(3):218-42.. What I am suggesting is the CHLOROBUTONOL (A CHEMICAL) has great sensitivity to our children, and does affect their limbic system.??? 2. Neurochemical studies have investigated the role of serotonin, epinephrine and norepinephrine, since levels of these neurotransmitters are altered in autism, although other hypotheses implicate overactive brain opioid systems and changes in oxytocin neurotransmission. Geneviève Trottier, MSc; Lalit Srivastava, PhD; -Dominique , PhD J Psychiatry Neurosci 1999;24(2):103-115 LIMBIC SYSTEM is a group of brain structures that includes the hippocampus, dentate gyrus, septal areas, amygdala, and parts of the diencephalon. These structures are associated with autonomic functions (e.g., arousal-which is oxytocin dependent), motivation, emotion (oxytocin dependent) , recent memory, and olfaction. It is important to note that the amygdala projects to the hypothalamus, the cingulate gyrus, and the orbitofrontal cortex. (NOTE, the EMOTION hormones also need OXYTOCIN) The role of early environment in the regulation of oxytocin receptor expression and social behavior (CAN site) Darlene Francis, Ph.D., Emory University The inability to form normal social attachments characterizes many forms of psychopathology, yet there has been little attention devoted to understanding the neural basis of social attachment and bond formation. We propose to investigate the neurobiology of social attachment and social bonding. The neuropeptide oxytocin has previously been implicated in the central mediation of attachment behaviors. It is important for the central control of social attachment behaviors as well as the expression of parental care. While cellular and molecular studies have begun to provide preliminary understanding of how oxytocinergic pathways are regulated, notably in the social prairie vole species, little attention has been devoted to the environmental regulation of this system. We will determine if within species differences in the oxytocin receptor system are related to differences in social behavior. We will then investigate the role the early postnatal environment (i.e. parental care) plays in the expression of this receptor system and the social behaviors associated with it. Conclusions: Autism, as with most other forms of psychopathology, is most likely the result of a fine interplay between our genes and our environments. The proposed experiments will allow us to begin to integrate the role of genes and gene regulation in the context of a known environment. Ultimately we wish to investigate the role of both the prenatal and postnatal environments and their relationship to genes implicated in the regulation of social attachment. oxytocin also diffuses into the oxytocin neuronal endings and inhibits oxytocin release, forming a negative feedback loop. (in other words, it shoots you in the foot). Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA: Vol. 94, No. 6, 27412744, March 18, 1997 Physiology Oxytocin stimulates the release of luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone from medial basal hypothalamic explants by releasing nitric oxide. Luteinizing hormones ARE OFF IN AUTISM, the Pigment Metabolism now is affected, NOT GOOD. Studies in Oxytocin Oxytocin is a brain neuropeptide involved in labor and delivery, breast feeding, mating and sexual response, social attachment and bonding, maternal/parental behavior, and social contact and affiliative behavior. We hypothesized that oxytocin dysfunction may play a role in the social deficits inherent in autism. We noted an elevated rate of pitocin-induced labor in our patients with autism compared to national rates, but demographic and perinatal factors need to be controlled for in our current follow-up studies. We also showed that peripherally administered pitocin may cross the placenta and fetal blood brain barrier in pregnant mice. We assess neuropeptide systems associated with social impairment via intravenous oxytocin challenge procedures. Our preliminary data suggest oxytocin infusion resulted in increased touching and tapping behaviors in adult OCD patients (comparison group), but in contrast, a decrease in touching and tapping behaviors in patients with autism. In addition, some patients with autism were more verbal, energetic, happy, and less anxious during the oxytocin infusion. (DR HOLLANDER) Labor Induction with Pitocin linked to Childhood Autism According to an article published in the July 31, 200 issue of Newsweek the rate of autism, a crippling childhood emotional disorder, is exploding. It has quadrupled since 1987, rising 15% in the last 3 month alone. Nationally the demand for services for autistic children has rose by 556% during the 1990's. The autism rate has gone from 1 out of 10,000 to about one person in 500, making it more a more common than Down syndrome or childhood cancer. Dr. Marie Power of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) defines it as " ...a pressing public health problem " . Autism may be directly or indirectly related to Induction or augmentation of labor with Pitocin. Pitocin is a synthetic version of a naturally produced hormone known as 'oxytocin'. In a spontaneous labor this hormone is normally produced in the brain of the mother. It triggers regular uterine contractions which dilate the cervix and eventually bring about the birth of the baby. In 1953 a pharmaceutical company synthesized this hormone. Since then it has been marketed as an anti-hemorrhagic drug (to stop excessive bleeding after the birth) and also to induce or augment labor. An induced labor is when the mother was not already having regular uterine contractions. The drug is also used to speed up (i.e. augment) a slowly progressing labor. The most common form of this drug is produced by Park and is called Pitocin. The use of Pitocin induction/augmentation is disportortionally linked to children with autism. Dr. Hollander of New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine noticed several years ago that 60% of the autistic patients in his clinic has been exposed in the womb to Pitocin, through induction of labor in their mothers. The national average for induced labors is approximately 20%. The causative agent/agents could well turn out to be other medical interventions that commonly accompany Pitocin induction such as narcotic or epidural anesthesia. It also could be caused by a drug interaction, an inborn sensitivity or genetic propensity in the baby or perhaps a signal that the baby was not biologically ready to be born yet. Dr. Hollander's research is ongoing. To Whom It May Concern: Public health authorities have identified an enormous increase in the incidence of childhood autism. In California, the number of kids receiving state services for autistic disorders has nearly quadrupled since 1987. (1) A recent news report on National Public Radio noted 775 news cases, a 33% increase over the previous quarter in which only 550 new cases were identified. This brain development disorder results in a lack of normal language skills and inability to form human bonds of affection with parents and other people. The majority of its victims are boys. Many also suffer from epilepsy. The physical, mental, emotional and social disabilities combined are so sever that most autistic children end up in institutions by the age of 13. This is a tragedy for the child and its parents, a loss to society and an economic burden of great proportion. Autism is now thought to affect one person in 500, making it more common than Downs syndrome or childhood cancer. According to Dr Marie Bristol Power from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, it is a not a rare disorder but a " pressing public-health problem " . (1) Neither the cause of this disorder nor the reason for its exponential increase is well understood by researchers at this time. However there is data associating autistic disorders with the use of an artificial hormone (Pitocin) which is given to pregnant women to induce or speed up labor (1, 2). Pitocin is a synthetic exogenous source of the natural hormone oxytocin which stimulates the gravid uterus to contract. It was developed as a drug by the Parke- pharmaceutical company in 1953 and put into general use in 1955. It comes from the pituatary glands of cattle and includes acetic acid for pH adjustment and .5 percent chloretone as a preservative. The lead story in the July 31, 2000 issue Newsweek magazine was devoted to exploring this growing health problem. The Newsweek reporter, Geoffrey Cowley, interviewed Dr Hollander of New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine, a physician who specializes in treating autistic kids. Dr Hollander reported that several years ago he noticed that 60% of the autistic patients in his clinic had been exposed to this drug as a fetus. Material published by the World Health Organization also notes an association between the use of Pitocin and autistic disorders (2). In spontaneous labors the mother's pituitary gland makes an endogenous (i.e. internal) oxytocin that triggers the physiological onset and progress of labor. The hormone oxytocin is also produced during breastfeeding (causing the let-down of breast milk) and it accompanies sexual orgasm. For this reason it is referred to as the " love hormone " by obstetrician Christian Northrop, MD as each of these biological events are associated with experiences of great emotional bonding and include meaningful social interaction between the individuals involved. Since autistic disorders produce an inability to make or maintain affectionate bonds or have normal social relationships, one cannot help but wonder if perhaps there is an causal relationship between these disorders and exogenous sources of an artificial form of oxytocin. Perhaps flooding the immature body of the fetus (especially boy babies) with this gender-specific synthetic hormone from animals somehow interferes with the eventual function of these psychological systems. It is an intriguing question. However, Pitocin is not the only drug received by women whose labors are being induced or augmented. The use of Pitocin requires that the mother also be given IV fluids, have continuous electric fetal monitoring in place and remain sedentary in her hospital bed while connected to this equipment. Pitocin-induced uterine contrations and enforced maternal immobility makes labor more painful, so much so that under these circumstances most laboring women also receive narcotic pain relievers and/or epidural anesthesia. The use of these drugs and anesthetics is also associated with an increase in operative deliveries (vacuum extraction or forceps). It is possible that the causative agent or trigger event for autism is a particular combination of drugs or certain physical problems or propensity for either the mother or baby, in combination with certain drugs, rather than a simple direct effect of Pitocin per se. The use of Pitocin to induce or augment labors and concomitant use of epidural anesthesia has been steadily climbing for the last 20 years - about the same period that the increase in autism has been reported. Estimates of the use of Pitocin in laboring women over the last 2 decades range from 12% to 60%. However, a 1992 survey by a medical anthropologist at the University of Texas found that 81% of women in US hospital receive Pitocin to either induce or augment labor. Epidural use is as high as 95% in many urban hospitals. When one factors in a Cesarean rate of 23% (acknowledging some overlap), the proportions of these facts is staggering as virtually 100% of medically-managed births are subjected to a high level of pharmaceutical interventions that have never been approved for use in fetuses. It certainly seems prudent to research the possible association with pharmaceutically-augmented labors in an attempt to discover the cause of the rising tide of autistic disorders. It may be necessary to amend our current obstetrical practices to prevent an epidemic of this expensive and emotionally-crippling disorder. Existing data on babies born at home under the care of midwives as a control group in Autism research For research purposes it seems only logical to utilized the subset of healthy childbearing women who received physiological management of the intrapartum and experienced no medical treatments during the labor and birth (i.e. - no Pitocin or other labor-inducing drugs, no narcotic pain medications, no general or regional anesthetics and no operative deliveries, etc) as a control to determine if intrapartum medical treatments are causative or contributory to the development or acerbating of autism disorders. In the early 1990s the Midwives Alliance of North America (MANA) embarked on a retrospective statistical study of domiciliary birth outcomes. More recently they have been conducting a prospective study by enrolling nationally certified professional midwives as a requirement of their re-certification. To date they have compiled statistics on about 15,000 births. This would provide the demographic data for follow-up questionares to ascertain the rate of autism within this substantial group of babies who were unmedicated during the labor. Also a recent change in the California birth registration law authorizes for the first time since 1915 the filing of birth certificates by professional midwives providing community-based birth services (client home and free-standing birth centers) so that the gathering of statistical data in California on this subset of births is now possible. An informal survey among the dozen or so community midwives practicing in our geographical area and spanning the last 20 years, failed to identify any babies born at home who have since been diagnosed with autistic disorders. Every year I attend a national midwifery conferences sponsored by MANA which includes an exchange between midwives of practice problems and unusual trends. Among the 400 or so community midwives (CNMs and direct-entry midwives), no cases of autism have been reported. Admittedly this is not a rigorous scientific study but it does raise questions as to whether strict adherence to physiological management of intrapartum events, either alone or in combination with the self-selection of healthy women choosing home-based midwifery care, may confer some protective effect relative to autistic disorders. We are very much interested in facilitating this form of research and would be happy to follow your lead in helping to bring about interest in it by scientists at US- and elsewhere who are involved in the study of autistic disorders. (1) Newsweek Magazine, July 31, 2000 (2) Care in Normal Birth: A Practical Guide-W.H.O's " Safe Motherhood " series (3) Mothering Magazine, Spring Issue, 2001 cc: Ken , PhD, MANA Statistical Project Robbie- Floyd, PhD, University of Texas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Emory University has linked abnormal oxytocin and vasopressin neurotransmitter levels with several behaviors and features of autism. This study is pointing to faulty genes and the expression of peptides for the abnormal levels. What made that ABNORMAL? Could we conclude ON OUR OWN, that oxytocin at birth, could actually change those levels? Re: Pregnancy > > > > > > > At 3/21/02 10:12 AM -0800, you wrote: > > > >Pitocin was the #2 response on my 400 parent survey. It contains > > > >CHLORBUTUNOL, a known > > > >neurotoxin. It will fade into the baby via breastfeeding as well, and > >will > > > >open the blood brain > > > >barrier up at the same time we give them HEP b in the hospital, which > >will > > > >drive the mercury/virus > > > >deeper into neuro limbic systems, and also will stop maturation needed > >for > > > >connections > > > >to complete, as well as eat at myelin. There is your answer. Toxins of > > > >anykind, do have > > > >consequences. > > > >Kathy > > > > > > unless you did some kind of control survey of parents with neurotypical > > > kids this is meaningless. > > > > > > In the united states pitocin is very widely used. I would be very > > > surprised if ANY group of women surveyed with that list didn't come up > >with > > > pitocin as a very high rate of response. Did you have a control group?? > > > > > > not to mention most of your conclusions sound like unsubstantiated > > > pseudoscience. What evidence do you have that opening up the BBB drives > > > anything into the limbic system? Or that it " eats at myelin " > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Listen I think it is a key, not the whole picture, a key mind you. We are doing too much chemically, virally to these children and parents, and we got to stop it. It's all nonsensical. Kathy Re: Pregnancy > Kathy- I have seen the stats on Hollander before and have long been > interested in the effects of Pitocin. The fact that it opens the blood brain > barrier so there is further assault by the Hep B- which Bridget had in the > hospital (even though I didn't want to, I went along with it) just firms up > my opinion that the Pitocin fits into Bridget's puzzle. Thank you for your > efforts in this area even though it does not fit your own personal scenario! > Deanna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 OK you are clearly not reading what I am saying I have never once said that your conclusion IS false. In fact I think it's plausible. I simply said that you are making statements without any reasonable evidence. A survey without a control group is not worth the time it takes to draw up. If it were then I could take a survey of women who had premature babies, and ask them how many of them ate ice cream while pregnant, and then, surprise! when I find out many of them ate ice cream I could then come out and claim that ice cream causes premature delivery. (a point which was made, btw, in your own quote, below I am not discounting you because you are a parent OR because I wasn't taught it. I'm discounting your POST about a survey because it's not science. And, BTW, you will get NO argument from me that pitocin is pretty much a bad idea. and I did not need a lesson in neuroanatomy (a class I taught for a few years) I am quite aware of what the limbic system is (and have dissected it a few times myself) What I asked you was what evidence do you have that chlorobutonol acts at the limbic system. It's a nice theory but your original statement you said that it DOES not that it MIGHT, and I still have seen no evidence of this. >We hypothesized that oxytocin dysfunction may play a role in the social >deficits inherent in autism. We noted an elevated rate of pitocin-induced >labor in our patients with autism compared to national rates, but >demographic and perinatal factors need to be controlled for in our current >follow-up studies. ,,,,, >The use of Pitocin induction/augmentation is disportortionally linked to >children with autism. Dr. Hollander of New York's Mount Sinai School of >Medicine noticed several years ago that 60% of the autistic patients in his >clinic has been exposed in the womb to Pitocin, through induction of labor >in their mothers. The national average for induced labors is approximately >20%. This statement is invalid. He is comparing patients *exposed to pitocin in the womb* with the national average for inductions. MANY women who are not induced are still " augmented' with pitocin. Unless you are comparing like groups you cannot make a comparison. >Emory University has linked abnormal oxytocin and vasopressin >neurotransmitter levels with several behaviors and features of autism. This >study is pointing to faulty genes and the expression of peptides for the >abnormal levels. What made that ABNORMAL? Could we conclude ON OUR OWN, >that oxytocin at birth, could actually change those levels? um, no. Well, I suppose you COULD conclude it on your own but without evidence it's just an opinion based on guesswork. I am honestly amazed at your hostile and defensive reaction to my statements. All I have said is that a non-random non-controlled survey is not convincing of anything. And now I think I'm going to unsubscribe to this list. This is not the kind of argument I really feel the need to waste my time with, and I'm sure no one else cares to read it either. If you would like to continue this feel free to email me privately. Mandie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Dear Cheryl, My daughter, , was 9lbs.,3oz. at birth and really hurt coming out (: Re: Pregnancy > > > > At 3/21/02 10:12 AM -0800, you wrote: > > >Pitocin was the #2 response on my 400 parent survey. It contains > > >CHLORBUTUNOL, a known > > >neurotoxin. It will fade into the baby via breastfeeding as well, and > will > > >open the blood brain > > >barrier up at the same time we give them HEP b in the hospital, which > will > > >drive the mercury/virus > > >deeper into neuro limbic systems, and also will stop maturation needed > for > > >connections > > >to complete, as well as eat at myelin. There is your answer. Toxins of > > >anykind, do have > > >consequences. > > >Kathy > > > > unless you did some kind of control survey of parents with neurotypical > > kids this is meaningless. > > > > In the united states pitocin is very widely used. I would be very > > surprised if ANY group of women surveyed with that list didn't come up > with > > pitocin as a very high rate of response. Did you have a control group?? > > > > not to mention most of your conclusions sound like unsubstantiated > > pseudoscience. What evidence do you have that opening up the BBB drives > > anything into the limbic system? Or that it " eats at myelin " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 I have an 8 year old autistic daughter and I had none of these in pregnancy. ElaineF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 These three things were present for my pregnancy and delivery.. I would be interested to hear more about what you think of it. 1. Interuterine Growth Restriction (baby didn't grow normally) 4. Weight loss during pregnancy, not weight loss but very little weight gain 5. Pitocin, or other inducing drugs during labor I also lost a lot of amnoitic fluid just before I was induced and nobody knows where the fluid went! Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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