Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 It probably wouldn't cure chronic lyme because I think that the cathelicidin only clears out any pathogens in the blood so it you would still need abx for borrelia in the tissues Vitamin D > > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > I stumbled on to this article that says you should not take Vitamin > D > > supplements. It was written by Trevor Marshall so we have to take > it > > with a grain of salt. Here's an excerpt from the article: > > > > " Molecular biology is now forcing us to re-think the idea that a > low > > measured value of vitamin D means we simply must add more to our > > diet. Supplemental vitamin D has been used for decades, and yet the > > epidemics of chronic disease, such as heart disease and obesity, > are > > just getting worse. " > > > > " Our disease model has shown us why low levels of vitamin D are > > observed in association with major and chronic illness, " Marshall > > added. " Vitamin D is a secosteroid hormone, and the body regulates > > the production of all it needs. In fact, the use of supplements can > > be harmful, because they suppress the immune system so that the > body > > cannot fight disease and infection effectively. " > > > > Here's the link to the complete article: > > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm > > > > I am on Valcyte but want to add another protocol. I'm considering > > the FWIW protocol but got concerned about the Vitamin D.... > > > > Please tell me what you think about this article. > > > > Sincerely, Jody > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi , Thanks for the information. I haven't found much on the internet yet but I'll keep looking. I discovered basically the same thing in December through experimenting with different enzymes to see if they would help my digestive problems. Was very surprised when I started to herx on them. When I added bromelain the oppressive brain fog began to improve. I'm also on antibiotics for Lyme but the enzymes/bromelain are really packing a powerful punch to them. I'm hopeful. I added them to my son's regime as well and this is the best he's been in 9 years. Best Wishes, Barbara Re: Re: Vitamin D What type of enzymes are best. Can you provide any other details or further references where I can learn more. Thanks in advance. With Lyme I think its important to be aware that after a few weeks exposure to the cathelecidin (produced by the vit D) the lyme bacteria will go into cyst form. You will then not be able to get at the bacteria with antibiotics without taking enzymes first to take the cyst coating off > > > > >Messages in this topic (78) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Database | Polls | Members This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 8New Members Visit Your Group Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 I think Lyme can reactivate at any time if you haven't completely erradicated it. 4 months is quite a short time to treat for Lyme. You probably did get the infection down a lot but it may be growing back graduallly. You may want to pulse a natural anti bacterial like Samento or garlic to keep the lyme down Vitamin D > > > > Hi Ken, > > I stumbled on to this article that says you should not take Vitamin D > supplements. It was written by Trevor Marshall so we have to take it > with a grain of salt. Here's an excerpt from the article: > > " Molecular biology is now forcing us to re-think the idea that a low > measured value of vitamin D means we simply must add more to our > diet. Supplemental vitamin D has been used for decades, and yet the > epidemics of chronic disease, such as heart disease and obesity, are > just getting worse. " > > " Our disease model has shown us why low levels of vitamin D are > observed in association with major and chronic illness, " Marshall > added. " Vitamin D is a secosteroid hormone, and the body regulates > the production of all it needs. In fact, the use of supplements can > be harmful, because they suppress the immune system so that the body > cannot fight disease and infection effectively. " > > Here's the link to the complete article: > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm > > I am on Valcyte but want to add another protocol. I'm considering > the FWIW protocol but got concerned about the Vitamin D.... > > Please tell me what you think about this article. > > Sincerely, Jody > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 There are quite a few articles on google about K2 and osteoporosis Here is one from Mercola http://www.mercola.com/forms/vitamin_k2.htm Vitamin K can be obtained from eating green leafy vegetables but as I understand it vitamin K2 is more effective. K2 is found in fermented foods like Natto and Kefir or it can be taken as a supplement It is great for remineralising teeth along with calcium and D3. Re: Vitamin D > > The inability of oral 25(OH)D to increase serum 25(OH)D levels, and > the presence of osteoporosis in a child, might very likely be due to > a malabsorption problem. Even in people with sarcoidosis who have > confirmed TH1 1,25(OH)2D production, giving them 25(OH)D will cause > their 25(OH)D levels to rise. Has celiac disease been tested for? > This is a common cause of low 25(OH)D and osteoporosis in children, > as it would block both oral 25(OH)D and calcium absorption. > > Btw, if mega doses of oral vitamin D have been tried without success, > then a vitamin D shot can be used. > > Also, TH1 production of 1,25(OH)2D has never been shown to exist in > the medical literature, without the presence of tissue inflammation, > such as sarcoidosis. > > > > > > > > > Again - my experience: my kid got higher and higher amounts of > D, > > but > > > > neither his 25D values nor his osteoporosis changed. Now I hope > I > > > > know why.>> > > > > > > Is your son diagnosed with CFS or ME? > > > > > > I remember reading on " his " site years ago that he believes CFS > is > > > bacterial in origin and he stands by this. He's incorrect about > > this. > > > > > > Nat > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Yes I found the enzymes by accident too. I was taking them for a sinus infection and wham next day I had a lyme herx. I experimented a bit and found that I could always herx with a certain amount of enzymes combined with a natural antibiotic. There isn't much on the web about enzymes and lyme but I have from time to time come across articles by LLMDs who use them. Can't find anything right now but if I do I will post it here. Glad to hear the enzymes are helping you and your son - they do pack a punch Re: Re: Vitamin D What type of enzymes are best. Can you provide any other details or further references where I can learn more. Thanks in advance. With Lyme I think its important to be aware that after a few weeks exposure to the cathelecidin (produced by the vit D) the lyme bacteria will go into cyst form. You will then not be able to get at the bacteria with antibiotics without taking enzymes first to take the cyst coating off > > > > >Messages in this topic (78) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Database | Polls | Members This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 8New Members Visit Your Group Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 > To the point: I will reread it in the next few days, to be able to > comment more intelligently. A few comments for now: > - does 25D (an 1,25 without, I think, the hydroxy) block the > VDR? this is a molecular biology question, so I'd consider a > molecular biologist's view to carry weight here. Are there works to > the contrary? Yes, read my web page. > Celiac was absolutely ruled out, using > three different methods. Gets a lot of Calcium. Does not seem to have > Calcium absorption issue per the tests. Per what test? Also, the elevated 1,25(OH)2D could be compensating for an intestinal calcium absorption problem, couldn't it? So how does one test for this? One possible way is take a significant extra amount of calcium and see if the 1,25(OH)2D goes down. - Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Phosphate problems can cause both increased 1,25(OH)2D and low PTH. If you have phosphate absorption problems, or renal excretion problems, this will have a direct effect on both 1,25(OH)2D and PTH. For example, some people believe that phosphage diabetes can cause CFS like symptoms. See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9683977 Such problems sometimes don't show up in normal tests, and require a 24 hour urinary test. I assume you've tested for Crohn's disease, if you've tested for celiac? Crohn's disease can cause increased 1,25(OH)2D production, because like sarcoidosis, it's a granuloma disease. Decreased 25(OH) D is common. But back to your statement that oral vitamin D didn't cause any increase in 25(OH)D. How much oral vitamin D was used, and for how long? Sometimes mega doses are necessarily (50,000 IU/week). What did your doctor say regarding this issue? This sure still sounds more like an intestinal absorption problem. If there is significant TH1 production of 1,25(OH)2D, then vitamin D supplementation should actually increase 1,25(OH)2D production, at least it does in sarcoidosis. The MP claims that 25(OH)D blocks the effect of 1,25(OH)2D, and therefore reduces inflammation and 1,25(OH) 2D. But there is no proof that this effect occurs in sarcoidosis patients. Some people believe that this explanation by the MP was added for non-sarcoidosis patients, in order to explain why many people were showing up with normal or low 1,25(OH)2D. But this is convoluted, because everything in the medical literature says that 1,25(OH)2D has anti-inflammatory effects, so that blocking 1,25(OH)2D should actually increase inflammation. - Mark > > > > My understanding, he is saying that people with HIGH 1,25 hormone > and > > LOW 25D levels is an indication of inflamed macrophages hyperactive > > conversion to active hormone. So this dyregulation of Vit D > > conversion affects people with autoimmune and other TH1 > illnesess. > > Well that makes sense. My doctor had a patient who had this > problem > > and told him to stop taking Vitamin D. > > > > I personally don't have problems with the conversion so taking > Vitamin > > D supplementation is helpful for me. > > > > Am I missing something? > > > > Nat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I have more on enzymes in my " MRSA/Sepsis " article at url below. The principles can work for various infections that are not as severe as MRSA or sepsis. I'd couple that with homeopathic tx concurrently. Carol willis_protocols Articles in Files. " " <jl@...> wrote: > > Any plant enzymes seem to work for me (bromelain on its own is fine or a mixture of plant enzymes is ok). They need to be taken on an empty stomach throughout the day and I need a total of about 6 capsules in a day. > > I can't give you any links for information about this as its more of a discovery I have made myself through experimentation - though the use of enzymes in lyme to attack the cyst form is reported by some LLMDs and I believe there are some references to it on the web > > > > > Re: Re: Vitamin D > > > What type of enzymes are best. Can you provide any other details or further references where I can learn more. > > Thanks in advance. > > > With Lyme I think its > important to be aware that after a few weeks exposure to the > cathelecidin (produced by the vit D) the lyme bacteria will go into > cyst form. You will then not be able to get at the bacteria with > antibiotics without taking enzymes first to take the cyst coating off > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 A couple years ago I read from the web site of a major medical lab that vitamin D deficiency is showing back up. I believe it was quest labs but can't remember for sure. If anyone would know, it would be a lab. They see these trends first hand. I just saw this on CBS Evening News with Couric ... here is what is on their > web site > > INCREASE VITAMIN D after a 10 year study. > > Ed > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Your right. I forget becuase I live at 33 degrees north latitude in east texas. So I get more sun than those who live up north. I believe everything that is being said about D. And here is another thought on living at higher latitudes. Does everone here know that the incidence of thyroid dysfunction increases at higher latitudes? - In Lipitor , Steve <dudescholar4@...> wrote: > > I cannot get vitamin D from the sun six months of the year at the > latitude where I live, and for some of the other 6 months I would need > to spend a hour of two in the sun wearing almost nothing. From October > to March it is not possible to make any vitamin D in Salt Lake City, UT, > and if you could, one would be quite chilly running round in their > skivvies. For a couple of months (june/july) of the year 20-40 minutes > might be enough. Today we had a high of 60. I don't do bathing suits > at 60 degrees. I also happen to be approaching 50 years old and > cholesterol conversion to vitamin D decreases substantially as one ages. > If I was a black man, I would need to increase sun exposure by several > times to get blood levels equal to a white man at the same latitude. > Black women get greater rates of breast cancer and black men get greater > rates of prostate cancer. Does anyone have a clue? If you have darker > skin, there are no options in the USA except to take supplemental vitamin D. > > I drink almost no milk and would never depend on milk for vitamin D. > About 98% of all the fluid I drink is water. If it was so easy to get > vitamin D from the sun when children used to spend a lot more time > outdoors, why did they need to add vitamin D to milk to prevent rickets? > It is absolutely true that the farther north one lives, the greater > the percentage of people who get heart disease, heart attacks, cancer, > diabetes, and a dozen other diseases. Taking the time to spend 20- 120 > minutes in the sun year around would never ever be enough to raise your > blood levels adequately, unless you live much closer to the tropics and > wear more exposing clothing. > > As I've said, the lab reference ranges is 32 - 100 ng/ml. The evidence > is mounting fast that at least 50 ng/ml is much more effective than 32 > ng/ml. Taking 4000 IU placed me at 33 ng/ml and taking 7000 IU/day > moved my blood levels to 63 ng/ml. > > Do you know what your blood levels of vitamin D are? > > Steve > > flyinresorts wrote: > > > > > > Why not get your Vitamin D from the sun? Its free. You can't OD from > > the sun, but you could OD from supplements. I'm not against > > suppliments. I take them. But the sun is free. 98% of our vitamin D > > requirments come from the sun. You would have to drink 40 glasses of > > d fortified milk per day to get the amount of D your body needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just saw this on CBS Evening News with Couric ... here > > is > > > > > what is on their > > > > > web site > > > > > > > > > > INCREASE VITAMIN D after a 10 year study. > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/eveningnews/main4167206.sh > > <http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/eveningnews/main4167206.sh > > > tml > > > > > > <http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/eveningnews/main4167206.sh > > <http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/eveningnews/main4167206.sh > > > tml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ > > > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 The surgeon I work with has just begun checking vitamin D levels. We have a patient with vitamin D25 21 (low with normal 30-80) PTH 29 (normal) I Ca 5.03 (normal) We would like to supplement Vitamin D, but are unsure of how much? Is an additional 1000 IU daily enough when already taking calcium with vitamin D and the daily multivamin with vit D? Sorg MS, RD, LD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 , Hope this gets some of your questions answered. If you still need more information or documentation please don't hesitate to call me. Deane 501-993-6607Deane Peck MS,RD,LDPediatric Fitness Clinic CoordinatorArkansas Childrens Hospital11215 Hermitage Rd.Little Rock, Ar. 72211 From: scasorg@... <scasorg@...>Subject: Re: vitamin D Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 8:00 AM The surgeon I work with has just begun checking vitamin D levels. We have a patient withvitamin D25 21 (low with normal 30-80)PTH 29 (normal)I Ca 5.03 (normal)We would like to supplement Vitamin D, but are unsure of how much?Is an additional 1000 IU daily enough when already taking calcium with vitamin D and the daily multivamin with vit D? Sorg MS, RD, LD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 D2 is used to treat deficiency (<20 ng/mL) i.e., 50,000 IU ergocalciferol twice weekly for 3 mos Amy Long Carrera MS, RD Clinical Dietitian Northridge Hospital Medical Center & Center for Weight Loss Surgery Northridge, CA Amy.Long@... 818-885-8500 x4034 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of caralyng24@...Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:45 AM Subject: vitamin D Does anyone know when there is an indication to use vitamin D2 instead of D3? I know D3 is more potent, but in some of the references I have D2 specifically is mentioned for treatment. Also, do they both come in dry form? Thanks, Cara GreenspanClinical Dietitian, Bariatric Surgery DietitianTemple University HospitalPhone: 215-707-8468email: cara.greenspantuhs (DOT) temple.edu RE: Flatulence I have a pt that had this trouble. Once we ruled out dietary triggers, we recommended Devrom which has been used for odor for a long time in ostomy pts and now in bariatric pts. Debbie Petitpain, MS, RD, LD MUSC Bariatric Surgery Team Dietitian From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of maryjean072045Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Flatulence Hi, I have a patient 3 years out that has an extreme issue with gas producing a stong odor. We tried avoiding dairy, carbs, utilizing gas-x, pancreatic enzymes...she does not have a gallbladder. Any ideas?Thanks in advance! The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Fatigue, high temperature, or herx is often the result of a sudden increase of D3. I strongly recommended slowly starting up at a lower dosages (200 Iu) and then working up to 4-10000 IU/day. It will take several months to get there. > > My lab results for vitamin D,25-hydroxy was 13.0. The range listed was > 32.0 to 80.0. My doc started me on 50,000 units of vitamin D. I started > Monday. All it did was cause extreme fatigue. I'm still not completely > recovered. Are there any alternatives to increasing my vitamin D levels > besides the one my doc suggested? > Tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Dear Tony, I am quite sure that I missed an important discussion on vitamin D3. Can you tell what it is used for and what are the CFS symptoms that are either eased or gotten rid of using it? [Moderator: Please search the archives which are rich in information] I was perplexed that it can cause such side effects. I know that it useful in fighting Seasonal Affective Disorder, and help the immune system, but other than that I am clueless. Thank you! Mira @...: tony23@...: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:38:38 -0700Subject: Vitamin D Thanks, KenI'll try that.TonyFatigue, high temperature, or herx is often the result of a sudden increase of D3. I strongly recommended slowly starting up at a lower dosages (200 Iu) and then working up to 4-10000 IU/day. It will take several months to get there. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=\ en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Mira, Vitamin D3 is now recognized as being a major immune system essential. Low levels results in higher incidence of diabetes, cancer, MS etc. Supplementing with 2-4000IU/day results in lower cancer rates (> 50%), lower diabetes rates (in one Finnish Study > 70% less), etc. Dr. Hock (Germany) found that getting the levels up to optimal levels results in either improvement or remission of CFIDS. It is NOT a **sudden remission** but a gradual remission, so do not expect to see any immediate change. It can takes months at 10000IU/day to get some people up to optimal levels. Ken Can you tell what it is used for and what are the CFS symptoms that are either eased or gotten rid of using it? > Mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Mira Ghoshal wrote: > Dear Tony, > I am quite sure that I missed an important discussion on vitamin D3. Can you tell what it is used for and what are the CFS symptoms that are either eased or gotten rid of using it? > Dear Mira, I have no idea what the CFS symptoms are. The only reason I startedtaking it was that my doctor tested me on Vitamin D levels since half of his patients including himself were low on Vitamin D. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Ken, I've been following this discussion about vit D with interest, and I remember reading about it on your FWIW site a couple years ago. I was at 2000IU/day and recently have upped that to 4000IU/day. You mention going as high as 10,000IU/day. Is there any possible harm from overdosing on vit D? [Moderator: from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D " The exact long-term safe dose of vitamin D is not entirely known, but dosages up to 250 micrograms (10,000 IU) /day in healthy adults are believed to be safe.[13], " " Some symptoms of vitamin D toxicity are a result of hypercalcemia (an elevated level of calcium in the blood) caused by increased intestinal calcium absorption. Vitamin D toxicity is known to be a cause of high blood pressure.[47] Gastrointestinal symptoms of vitamin D toxicity can include anorexia, nausea, and vomiting. " So BP would likely be the best indicator for CFIDS patients -- because they usually have low BP] And lastly, when testing vit D levels is there more than one type of test, and if so, is any particular test preferred over another? [Moderator: 25,D, the " usual Vitamin D " test] Wait, one more question! I'm wondering how often it makes sense to get vit D levels checked, since you indicate levels can be slow to change even when supplementing at generous levels. [Moderator: Once every 6-12 months IMHO] Once again my thanks in general for your helpful comments and posts on this forum. Marcia on in Salem, Massachusetts > > Mira, Vitamin D3 is now recognized as being a major immune system > essential. Low levels results in higher incidence of diabetes, cancer, <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 " Marcia " <mmorrison@...> wrote: > Is there any possible harm from overdosing on vit D? Possible kidney stones longer term. Carol W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 cbwillis9 wrote: > " Marcia " <mmorrison@...> wrote: > >> Is there any possible harm from overdosing on vit D? > Possible kidney stones longer term.- Carol W. > > Tony added > I have heard that excess Vitamin D can cause calcium to be deposited on your coronary arteries. Also have heard that getting enough Vitamin K will prevent this. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Yes, if your 1,25(OH)2D levels are too high, you can get calcium deposits. However, f you take enough calcium and vitamin D supplements though, this will keep your 1,25(OH)2D levels down. - Mark > > > >> Is there any possible harm from overdosing on vit D? > > Possible kidney stones longer term.- Carol W. > > > > Tony added > > > I have heard that excess Vitamin D can cause calcium to be deposited on > your coronary arteries. Also have heard that getting enough Vitamin K > will prevent this. > Tony > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Hi Ken, Do you have a reference to Dr Hock's research on Vit D and CFS. it sound s v interesting. BW, Sheila [Moderator: Fatigue and 25-Hydroxyvitamin D Levels by Dorothea Hock page 117-127, Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Volume 3 Number 3, 1997 http://www.haworthpress.com/store/toc/J092v03n03_TOC.pdf?sid=816C3D9J4U678JELXW2\ QW6G1MJ048S73 & see also http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/cfs_book.pdf, p.105 This online book is an INTERESTING READ -- and is worth the reading.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 The vitamin D issue is very interesting, especially since most people with CFS have to seriously cut back, or completely give up dairy products; a major source of vitamin D.  From: lowcreoch <sllc.jkc@...> Subject: Re: Vitamin D Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 4:18 PM Hi Ken, Do you have a reference to Dr Hock's research on Vit D and CFS. it sound s v interesting. BW, Sheila [Moderator: Fatigue and 25-Hydroxyvitamin D Levels by Dorothea Hock page 117-127, Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Volume 3 Number 3, 1997 http://www.haworthpress.com/store/toc/J092v03n03_TOC.pdf?sid=816C3D9J4U678JELXW2\ QW6G1MJ048S73 & see also http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/cfs_book.pdf, p.105 This online book is an INTERESTING READ -- and is worth the reading.] ------------------------------------ This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Why do people with CFS have to " seriously cut back or completely give up dairy products " ? What are the symptoms that make this necessary? Thanks for any responses. F. [Moderator: I do not believe that " many " is correct, there seems to be a significant percentage that have diary issues --- creating a poll now to get some facts] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Josie I drink ENSURE and the Docs are shocked that my Vit D is great. Just a suggestion. Jo Lynne Vitamin D Dr. Mercola is BIG on supplementing with Vitamin D. He had a video on his daily newsletter recently about it. He mentioned a home test for D levels that is accurate, and I am going to try to find it. Josie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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