Vitamin D

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>

> Dr. Mercola is BIG on supplementing with Vitamin D.  He had a video

on his daily newsletter recently about it. He mentioned a home test for

D levels that is accurate, and I am going to try to find

it. josie

I take vitamin D thats in the multivitamins and in the

calcium pills. Since I was diagnosed with osetopenia. The bone

medication I take has 2800 IU of vitamin D. When I visit my brother in

Arizona, in Oct, I try to get some SUN. Have to be careful on

diuretics(water pills).

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If you do find the test, I am intereted too, pls

Jean

From: PickPinkFlowers

Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:56 PM

Subject: Vitamin D

Dr. Mercola is BIG on supplementing with Vitamin D. He had a video on his daily newsletter recently about it. He mentioned a home test for D levels that is accurate, and I am going to try to find it. Josie

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Celiac disease is the first thing that comes to mind, you can give Vit D all

day long but if he can't absorb it its pointless. I'd say he's got osteo due

to the low Vit D. Just had another thought, has his PTH and calcium level

been tested? If he's got a parathyroid tumor if will drive down his Vit D

levels to protect the body. Its a 15 minute surgery to remove the tumor

(there usually non cancerous) if that's the case.

VITAMIN D

>I got a call from Blake's Endocrinologist. She asde me what was the

> units on Blake's Calciferol(Vitamin A & D)was, which is 8,000 per drop.

> She then told me she got his Viatamin D, 25 and Viatamin D,125...His

> is completely UNDETECTED.

> Can anyone tell me what this means for Blake.

> The Dr. also informed me that Blake is noe Insulin Resistant. Can this

> be related to his Immune problems ir is it the Swachman Diamond

> Syndrome(Pattie if you please).

> Blake has been really really sick. We do NOT understand teh depetion

> of the Vit. D. His urine Vit. was also undetected. he is outside in

> the sun, drinks plenty of stuff with vit. d and he eats plenty of

> dairy products. He is very very active. and he takes the Caciferol (15

> drops) each morning in his juice or plain water.

> Any help would be gratly appreciated(yes, he does have Osteoporosis,

> but is NOT treated at this moment for it...they thought being in

> puberty would solve it)

>

> Mom to Blake, 16

> SCID with Complete T-Cell Dysfunction(SQ 10 grams 2X's weekly), SDS,

> Autistic

> http://www3.caringbridge.org/sc/blakester

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Rush -

My vitamin D level was on the lowest end of " normal " a couple of months prior to

my " outbreak " . I took rx levels of D for two weeks - and it raised my blood D

level just one point! Shortly after, I had my " outbreak " .

Most doctors/scientists who work with Morgellons know that it " uses " vitamin D

for something, but I don't think any have advanced a theory about that.

Bessie

>

> Has anyone had vitamin D levels checked.  I had an appointment with Dr. Kolb

last week, she did pretty extensive blood work.  She mentioned that my vitamin D

levels would probably be low, she said that most patients with morgellans are

very low.  I spoke with her today and she said my vitamin D levels were

critically low, suggessted I take 10,000 mg per day.  That is definitely not

recommended--unless test results show low levels.  Just a suggestion to get D

levels checked. 

>

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You decide,

my suggestion is www.bacteriality.com

 

Geir Flatabø

2009/5/28 mcollins2001uk <m.collins9@...>

I am giving Henry this with nordic naturals cod liver oil, since this brand has lost most of its D. When I run out I shall be changing brand,

I don't understand what to do about D3, since there are warnings that it's dangerous and there are other warnings that we're probably all low in it. What is the best source or information about supplementing with D3 please so I can decide what to do?

Thanks,Margaret------------------------------------DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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Thank you Geir, I shall have a good look at this.

Sally, Dr Mercola pulls some intersting stuff together on his website (though

I'm fed up with the plugs for krill oil!)but I think he lacks the ability to

assess things scientifically, so if I see anything he recommends, I would never

follow it but seek out other sources of information first.

Margaret

>

> You decide,

> my suggestion is www.bacteriality.com

>

> Geir Flatabø

>

> 2009/5/28 mcollins2001uk <m.collins9@...>

>

> > I am giving Henry this with nordic naturals cod liver oil, since this brand

> > has lost most of its D. When I run out I shall be changing brand,

> >

> > I don't understand what to do about D3, since there are warnings that it's

> > dangerous and there are other warnings that we're probably all low in it.

> > What is the best source or information about supplementing with D3 please so

> > I can decide what to do?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

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> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.

> > If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> > practitioner.

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Hi Margaret,

We take around 1000IU per day (not sure we can recommend brands - Tim and I use

the Solgar 1000IU gelcaps but we are looking to change). We found vit D great

for skin but we had to give vit k2 to balance it. Eddie's teeth went grey and

soft again when we gave vit d3 it was only giving k2 which made his teeth lovely

and white again.

We use Thorne k2 drops - pricey but lasts a fair time.

Sandyxx

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy. May I ask please, why do you supplement with Vitamin D? Have you

looked at the Marshall protocol which says Vitamin D acts like a steroid rather

than a vitamin and so longer term depresses the immune system? I find it all a

bit mind-boggling..It's something it seem is very important to get right.

Margaret

>

> Hi Margaret,

>

> We take around 1000IU per day (not sure we can recommend brands - Tim and I

use the Solgar 1000IU gelcaps but we are looking to change). We found vit D

great for skin but we had to give vit k2 to balance it. Eddie's teeth went grey

and soft again when we gave vit d3 it was only giving k2 which made his teeth

lovely and white again.

> We use Thorne k2 drops - pricey but lasts a fair time.

> Sandyxx

>

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Hi Margaret,

We looked at both sides and the case for vitamin D was very strong - though we

would prefer we could get it all through sunlight and food. We also like Weston

A Price a lot. Amy Yasko recommends it and we have vit D receptor mutations

which suggest we need more than most. So we decided to supplement but to keep

it modest.

Sandyxx

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sandy,

Margaret

>

> Hi Margaret,

>

> We looked at both sides and the case for vitamin D was very strong - though we

would prefer we could get it all through sunlight and food. We also like Weston

A Price a lot. Amy Yasko recommends it and we have vit D receptor mutations

which suggest we need more than most. So we decided to supplement but to keep

it modest.

> Sandyxx

>

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Going on the Weston Price website a lot of CLO brands which seem to have

high levels of Vit D have actually had it added after cleaning etc ie it

is factory-made Vit D rather than naturally produced. You might like to

read their article by someone who went round the factories etc. before

deciding which brand to switch to.

I switched to a low-vit D CLO (as less interfered with and many

artificial vits don't work anyway) and supplemented Vit D. Edith reacted

badly to the high dose Vit D and I took it away again. Presumably she

might have been reacting to the extra Vit D in the CLO and I wouldn't

have known.

Do you give enzymes because improving digestion might be a better route.

Large doses of vitamins sometimes have ill-effects which only become

known later. Did you see the research suggesting that high dose

antioxidants (in the form of vits C and E) increase insulin-resistance

in a proportion of people and thus predispose them to diabetes? I think

this may be a contributing factor to my Mum's diabetes (that and being

very fat and getting no exercise so there were lots of other causes)

Sally

mcollins2001uk wrote:

>

>

> I am giving Henry this with nordic naturals cod liver oil, since this

> brand has lost most of its D. When I run out I shall be changing brand,

>

> I don't understand what to do about D3, since there are warnings that

> it's dangerous and there are other warnings that we're probably all

> low in it. What is the best source or information about supplementing

> with D3 please so I can decide what to do?

>

> Thanks,

> Margaret

>

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Hi Isobel, I saw this a while back and ordered some, comes in a

spearmint flavour spray, kids both like it, and I am sure glad I did,

after just one week back at school they BOTH came down with flu, been

treating them with collidial silver, D3, Grapeseed extract (natural anti

viral). Both doing brilliantly. I was using the D3 spray and collidial

silver just to make sure I didnt come down with it, it was pretty nasty.

Never seen my son so sick.

I went onto the flu pandemic website, out of curiosity to see what it

said about symptoms etc., there is a questionnaire which is like

multichoices in each one. Thing is they didnt have all the symptoms but

at the end of it they allocated a patient number, to pick up a pack of

tamiflu (antiviral drug). That worried me as I know the side effects

can be pretty nasty. It was all a bit too vague for my liking.

Anyway, D3 spray is good stuff, recommend it.

Love and peace

Caz

>

> hi all there is an article from mercola a sibout how vitamin d helps

with hin1

> www.articles@...

> Isobel

>

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hi yes my son zachary has been a bit ill high fever hot all over but no

vomiting or diohhroar=ea well none out of the ordinary we did vitd3 nothing

else and he seems fine

I know julie knows a lot on vitamin d3

ours is the liquid kind mandi got it for us.

we used grape seed and colloiidal silver when getting rid of yeast back in feb

it also helps with parasites

as an after thought have you looked at biopureurope.com

or biopureus.com

quintessence

freeze dried garlic

phiosphiolpids

rizoles gamma and zeta

are all good herbs for virals fungals metals etc.,dr, mercola is the one who

says asd children are deficcient in vit.d he has a facebook site..hine tami flu

is untested with thiomersal inside it[as we all know]

Isobel

p.s. quite a few parents use these protocols on abe..

-- In Autism Treatment , " crazycazinuk "

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>

> Hi Isobel, I saw this a while back and ordered some, comes in a

> spearmint flavour spray, kids both like it, and I am sure glad I did,

> after just one week back at school they BOTH came down with flu, been

> treating them with collidial silver, D3, Grapeseed extract (natural anti

> viral). Both doing brilliantly. I was using the D3 spray and collidial

> silver just to make sure I didnt come down with it, it was pretty nasty.

> Never seen my son so sick.

>

> I went onto the flu pandemic website, out of curiosity to see what it

> said about symptoms etc., there is a questionnaire which is like

> multichoices in each one. Thing is they didnt have all the symptoms but

> at the end of it they allocated a patient number, to pick up a pack of

> tamiflu (antiviral drug). That worried me as I know the side effects

> can be pretty nasty. It was all a bit too vague for my liking.

>

> Anyway, D3 spray is good stuff, recommend it.

>

> Love and peace

>

> Caz

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > hi all there is an article from mercola a sibout how vitamin d helps

> with hin1

> > www.articles@

> > Isobel

> >

>

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Re: Can Vitamin D Improve Your Athletic Performance?

The only caveat with all this is the chicken or the egg argument. We know

that 70-80%+ of people with issues like M.S., fibromyalgia, RA, etc. have

low Vit D levels. Do these diseases lead to low Vit D levels, or does low

Vit D levels lead to chronic disease?

Thanks,

Buddy

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I suspect the low levels found in these patients simply mirrors the low Vitamin

D in the general population.

I also suspect that the low Vit D levels in the general population may be a

result of the general avoidance of sun exposure which has occurred as a result

of the fear of skin cancer. The law of un intended consequences.

Ralph Giarnella MD

Southington Ct USA

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Is he deficient in D? Have you checked his blood levels or do you plan to regularly, because yes, he could get too much. I would not start giving your kids anything special just because of H1N1. Just use your common sense with good diet--including extra water to stay hydrated with heat being on, fresh air and sufficient sleep. Have vitamins, supplements, homeopathic meds (if you use them), etc. on hand for if they start to show symptoms, but I would not load them up preventatively with anything extra.

Winnie vitamin dVaccinations > Hi all, I want to start giving vitamin d to my 6 year old to > hopefully help with h1n1 prevention.- Can someone tell me how > much he should take? Is it something that can hurt him if I > give him too much?> Thanks! > Becky> >

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Not to mention some good, old-fashioned sunshine without the sunblock! More so in your oncoming winter. Big pharma has everyone running so scared of the sun nowadays, it's no wonder that many are vitamin D deficient.

Sue x

-- Re: vitamin d

Is he deficient in D? Have you checked his blood levels or do you plan to regularly, because yes, he could get too much. I would not start giving your kids anything special just because of H1N1. Just use your common sense with good diet--including extra water to stay hydrated with heat being on, fresh air and sufficient sleep. Have vitamins, supplements, homeopathic meds (if you use them), etc. on hand for if they start to show symptoms, but I would not load them up preventatively with anything extra.

Winnie vitamin dVaccinations > Hi all, I want to start giving vitamin d to my 6 year old to > hopefully help with h1n1 prevention.- Can someone tell me how > much he should take? Is it something that can hurt him if I > give him too much?> Thanks! > Becky> >

[Guest guest]

At 05:26 AM 10/20/2009, you wrote:

Hi all, I want to start giving

vitamin d to my 6 year old to hopefully help with h1n1 prevention.- Can

someone tell me how much he should take? Is it something that can

hurt him if I give him too much?

Thanks!

Becky

#1 - I would let go of my fear of h1n1 - that is to sell product

Below is Vitamin D info - most people are depleted

Really should test levels to see what they are in your blood at some

point before treating for too long

http://www.zrtlab.com/vitamindcouncil/

here is a website dedicated to vit D info:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

http://products.mercola.com/vitamin-d-spray/?source=nl

http://www.uptownnutrition.com/PDFDocs/n/N30M20GDACH99GXV4Q8HK1E4M59L3PD1.PDF

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there is a lot of new information on Vitamin D and the need for much

higher amounts.

If it is very sunny, don't need to supplement ............that's why we

see less illness in the summer (and large amount of body exposed to the

sun)

...........

20 minutes in midday sun with 40% exposure will give you

about 5-10,000IU

Dr. Eisenstein of HomeFirst medical practice (non-vaccinating

practice) in Chicago has much about this as do others.

http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/ReleaseDetails.aspx?ID=24702 & CFID=26310623 & CFTOKEN=58668027

http://www.homefirst.com/vitamin_d3.html

You have to be sure it is Vitamin D3

go to webpage for all the links embedded in the studies below

Scientific Studies on Vitamin D3

Vitamin D and Cavities Children

Vitamin D Toxicity

Vitamin D: It's Not Just For Bones Anymore

Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D

Vitamin D and Back Pain

Vitamin D Cut Falls Seniors

Vitamin D Cancer

Athletic Performance and Vitamin D

Why Vitamin D3 not D2

Vitamin D3 and Live Longer

Vitamin D3 Levels to Prevent Cancers

Dr. Holick on Vitamin D

More Than Just Rickets

Vitamin D Asthma

Vitamin D and Autism

Homefirst®'s Vitamin D3

Homefirst® ProD 5

Homefirst® ProD 50

Dr Eisenstein's Daily Minimum Recommendation for Vitamin D

Based on the Latest Scientific Findings

* 1. Pregnant and nursing mothers- 6,000IU

* 2. Newborn breastfed- from their mothers

* 3. Newborn bottle fed- 1,000IU

* 4. Children 2000IU

* 5. Adults 2000IU

* 6. Chronic Illness 5000IU

* 7. Respiratory infection 50,000IU for three to seven days

* 8. Blood levels should be in the range of 50ng/ml

* 9. Blood levels for chronic conditions 80-100ng/ml

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* 10. 20 minutes in midday sun with 40% exposure will give you about

5-10,000IU

* 11. If no sun use Vitamin D3 supplements

The 25(OH)D blood test can determine your levels

100IU of Vitamin D will raise your blood levels approximately 1ng/ml

Sheri

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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/10/Vitamin-D-Experts-Reveal-the-Truth.aspx

This is a GREAT article on vitamin d and the dosage needed. It has been found to keep the flu away!

We do not get our blood tested so we stay on the lower end of the dosage--you can get too much vitamin d3 but it is hard to do.

Read this article and follow Dr. Mercola's advice :-) (be sure to buy vitamin d3)

He also has other articles on vaccine dangers if you feel like searching around.

Oh, here is another article talking about toxic doses of vitamin d http://www.hpakids.org/holistic-health/articles/120/1/Simple-Facts-About-Vitamin-D

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>> Hi all, I want to start giving vitamin d to my 6 year old to hopefully help with h1n1 prevention.- Can someone tell me how much he should take? Is it something that can hurt him if I give him too much?> Thanks! > Becky>

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Do you have to get the sun exposure everyday to get the benefits, or will your

body store some of it?

F

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At 02:01 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote:

>Do you have to get the sun exposure everyday to get the benefits, or

>will your body store some of it?

>

> F

I have read it has to be 40% of your body exposed and 20 minutes at least a day

Nothing is stored for very long - that's the trouble

See links I sent

Sheri

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Your body does ordinarily store Vitamin D in your liver. However, if you use a

lot of sunscreen and don't go in the sun " enough " then your stores are low to

begin with. When the winter comes along and people dress up in lots of clothes

and don't go outside anymore, their stores get seriously depleted by about

Jan/Feb which is when you start to see significant flu/colds/strep, etc.. start

taking effect on the population. You can remedy the problem with taking a

Vitamin D3 (make sure it is D3 and not D2), which will help to replenish your

stores.

You can also go out in the stone cold snow naked for 20 minutes a day, LOL!! But

I prefer swallowing the pill.

Also, some people do not store their Vitamin D, which is currently not really

understood except that certain types of the population are more at risk for this

such as celiacs. You can get a level check by your doctor b/c some people are

much lower in their levels than their sun exposure " should " have them at and

that is damaging to your health.

Vitamin D is actually not a vitamin at all but more like a hormone. Our body

produces it on our skin surface and takes time to absorb it. So, for instance,

you regularly sun bathe and then go take a shower immediately, you just washed

all of your Vitamin D down the shower drain. You need to keep your skin dry to

absorb the D for several hours after sun exposure. That might explain some of

the low levels in certain people, but not entirely sure.

HTH - Arlynn

>

> Do you have to get the sun exposure everyday to get the benefits, or will your

body store some of it?

>

> F

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rich.

I think it really works. My daughter brings home all sorts of nasty bugs

from Montessori and when her little friends come over they almost always

seems to have something, so I always feel at risk . A month ago, she came

home with something and I got headaches, sour throat, sniffles, nausea and

muscle aches very quickly. I had not been taking the D. So, I did a pulse

and I was fine 24 hours later. Since then, I take about 8,000 IU every day

and I have been fine. Last week one of the little bugs got her. But she

bounced back after two days of D, elderberry and vitamin C. I've been

taking the D, so it did not get me at all this time.

From:

marcia, Tracey and the group,

For what it's worth, the December, 2009 issue of the Life Extension magazine

has an article in which a dosage of 5,000 IU per day of vitamin D3 is

recommended to ward off the flu. They gave a review of the work of Dr.

Cannell as well as two other doctors, working independently. It looks like

they did their homework.

Best regards,

Rich

[Guest guest]

>

> I read a bunch or studies a while back and 10,000 IU was the number.

> A growing number of doctors seem to be advocating for 4000 IU. I

> take 8000 IU in the winter and 4000 IU the rest of the year. If you

> decide to go higher, you might want to do so slowly to prevent too

> much detox.

I treat vitamin D as a hormone and titrate my supplementation with blood testing

to achieve a 25-OH D3 level of 40-50 ng/ml, based on the mortality data shown in

Figure 2 of the following paper. (Some papers do show additional benefits for

certain diseases all the way up to 60 ng/ml, but I'm going to continue to be

cautious until more data rolls in.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677029/?tool=pubmed

In my experience, the new steady state after changing my dose is not achieved

after two months. The oriental medicine doctor who I get prolotherapy from says

it usually takes 6 months to see what blood level you're going to get from a

certain dose.

3000 IU per day overdosed a person discussed in the following website and caused

loss of bone density. The site also recommends testing for elevated 1,25-OH D if

you have autoimmune disease and/or chronic fatigue syndrome to see if you need

to restrict vitamin D.

http://sunlightandvitamind.com/samples.htm#Sample%20Chapters

The following paper shows how variable the response to vitamin D supplementation

is. 6400 IU gave people between 12 and 77 ng/ml 25-OH D: a range that runs from

underdose to overdose.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1868557/?tool=pubmed

The variability may be a result of different rates of dumping vitamin D into the

bile.

" Since the increment in plasma 25(OH)D concentration per mcg dose is at least

four times higher for 25(OH)D administration than for vitamin D3 administration,

we can conclude that less than 25 percent of vitamin D molecules ever become

25(OH)D. At least three quarters of the molecules of vitamin D that enter the

body are removed by some other fate. "

" Most vitamin D entering the circulation appears to be excreted unmetabolized

into the bile. "

http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/VitDVieth/Vieth%20CHAPTER%2061.pdf

[Guest guest]

Vitamin D3 supplementation is the only way to get D to decent levels when deficient.  She should take 10,000 IU a day for 3 or 4 months and have it rechecked.

 

I have a friend whose doctor told her that she is very low on Vit D. I suggested taking a oil blend (flax,sunflower, wheat germ, cdl, avocado) that is cold pressed and drink whole raw milk along with 15 minutes of sunshine a day whether it's sunny or not. Can anybody add/improve on these ideas? I appreciate your help on this. Thank you

-- Ann www.janesjewel.com

[Guest guest]

Vitamin D3 supplementation is the only way to get D to decent levels when deficient.  She should take 10,000 IU a day for 3 or 4 months and have it rechecked.

 

I have a friend whose doctor told her that she is very low on Vit D. I suggested taking a oil blend (flax,sunflower, wheat germ, cdl, avocado) that is cold pressed and drink whole raw milk along with 15 minutes of sunshine a day whether it's sunny or not. Can anybody add/improve on these ideas? I appreciate your help on this. Thank you

-- Ann www.janesjewel.com