Liver cleanse

[Guest guest]

Hi Luck and All,

I'm am so very pleased to hear you decided to do another liver cleanse.

Good job!!!

According to Dr. one can get as many as 2,000 stones out before having

a clean liver. I for one DID get to where I didn't get anymore stones out.

She says to do a cleanse every two weeks until no more stones are remover.

I didn't get any after my 5th cleanse nor my 6th cleanse. As far as how

long before you feel dramatically better? I've heard some people say it

didn't seem to make much of a difference with them at all. Maybe it

depends on if that was a major problem in your heath. For me I felt better

after a few days after doing the first cleanse. Then I'd start to decline

after a little over a week. Then the next cleanse I'd feel better after

another few days and the feeling would last a little longer, etc.

I've done many other things to regain my health, so maybe they all tie in

together. But the liver cleanses has been what has helped the most to

maintain a quality of health for me and consistantly. I'm amazed at how I

can walk for long distances and not even have a hint of a relapse!

Especially when before ever time I'd try and exercise, I'd relapse.

Exercising had been a love of mine before I got sick. It's so nice to have

that love restored. There seems to be something about having the liver

functioning properly that helps to restore and maintain health. Maybe some

of the others can comment on the science behind it. I know I'm getting more

from my food now, and I suppose that plays a big part in it. Before it was

kind of like filling up but not getting any gasoline! Now I have some

get up and go. :-) And I get pretty good mileage, too! LOL :-)

I do hope it will help you, and I hope you will continue until you no longer

get anymore stones. Just another thought, maybe another thing that helped

was the parasite cleanse. Maybe it wasn't so much the liver cleanses that

helped so much as it was killing all those pesty littly critters!

Take care, Luck. I wish you the best.

Gail

ps. Just one more comment in regards to the posting Ron sent about the

woman wondering if we continually produce stones because the oil/grapefruint

drink continues to make the liver produce bile. I can testify that with

every cleanse I did, I drank the oil/grapefruit drink and got to the point

to where I didn't produce any stones. So I'd have to disagree with her

theory.

liver cleanse

> gail:

>

.. anyway, how long does

> it take to feel the benefits of this cleanse. i don't really feel

> dramatically beter yet. maybe i will have to do a bunch of them.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Yall

The liver cleanse sounds like something I need to try.

So can Yall send some Liver Cleanses to try.

Thanks

Calvin

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[Guest guest]

Hi Luck,

Think Dr. P says that Hanna Kroeger originated

the Dr. liver cleanse.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:30:01 EDT

From: luckower@...

Subject: eating crow (liver cleanse)

does anyone know where dr clark came up with this recipe-? i think its one

of

the most ingenious things i have ever seen. if she didn't come up with it, i

would like to know what else the mind that did come up with it is up to.

[Guest guest]

Hi Luck,

Think Dr. P says that Hanna Kroeger originated

the Dr. liver cleanse.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:30:01 EDT

From: luckower@...

Subject: eating crow (liver cleanse)

does anyone know where dr clark came up with this recipe-? i think its one

of

the most ingenious things i have ever seen. if she didn't come up with it, i

would like to know what else the mind that did come up with it is up to.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the recent kind words from all that spoke them! ........ I'm in a bit

of a funk so keeping a low profile! sorry!

Hi LIZ<

Welcome aboard! Re: liver cleanse!

here's a couple ideas to get you started!

be well!

ron

http://home.online.no/~sostuve/gallstones.html

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I don't think this is correct. As I understand it from Dr. ,

only the fresh grapefruit juice from a pink grapefruit will emulsify

the olive oil properly. The Epsom salts/olive oil/grapefruit juice

cleanse is done over two days.

The lemon juice cleanse is meant to be done over a longer period of time,

I believe.

Lemon juice itself is a very good tonic for building up the integrity of the

veins.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Reply-oxyplus

<oxyplus >

Subject: Re: Re: ozone generator

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:08:43 +0200

saul,

grapefruitjuice or lemon juice...it´s the same cleanse. i personally think,

lemon juice is a little bit more effective, because it is a stronger

adstringent (right english word???)... and tastes better, too. haha!! a

little bit like vinaigrette...

marlene

Re: ozone generator

> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:30 -0000

>

> Saul, I'm glad you responded. I am sure Dr. Bormann has helped many,

> and I always find her posts very interesting to read, but I wonder

> why they seem to contain cuts of you and your machines. It makes me

> a bit uneasy.

>

> I am going to try an ozone sauna here in NY (one of yours) on

> Friday. Probably only for about 10 minutes just to see how I do. I

> also have to get my info on liver flushes out. I want to do one with

> lemon and I can't find where I stored it--perhaps you could email me

> again privatley with teh info? Grapefruit juice has too much sugar

> for me with my candida and lyme problems.

>

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I was reading the various threads at curezone and it seems the lemon

juice is fine. Or you can do half lemon juice and half grapefruit

juice. Apparently pectin softens the stones which is why they

recommend eating so many apples. But for me, to fast on apples and

then add in grapefruit juice is like a recipe for candida which I

don't want to do. Perhaps a day of light raw foods (salads etc) and

then a lemon juice olive oil epsom salt concoction at night. There

is also controversy about--should you do a parasite clenase first?

But I'm not so trusting of the idea that a short parasite cleanse

will actually be that effective. You're supposed to find the herbs

at your healthfood store but I don't trust the potency of those

herbs. For instance black walnut, I doubt there is very little if

any available that actually has potent, green-inside hulls. I have

's pararizol, but it has so much clove oil in it just smelling

it, it smells so sweet I get slightly nauseous. I'm not sure I could

take enough of it (has wormwood, clove and blackwalnut oils) to work.

And how would you know it had worked anyway?

So I think I'll just try the clenase although anecdotally on the

curezone site they say those who didn't fix parasites first felt

sick. But I'm not sure they actually know that or did a survey...

Anyway. I'm not sure when I'll do this. There also seems to be

controversy about how much is so called " soap stones " i.e. created by

the cleanse, and how much is real. But i was convinced after reading

a lot of posts that most often it is real. People even had their

stones analyzed sometimes just to prove it.

One concern is why people only felt good for a few weeks and then had

to do it again. That seemed odd to me.

> Dear ,

>

> I don't think this is correct. As I understand it from Dr. ,

> only the fresh grapefruit juice from a pink grapefruit will emulsify

> the olive oil properly. The Epsom salts/olive oil/grapefruit juice

> cleanse is done over two days.

>

> The lemon juice cleanse is meant to be done over a longer period of

time,

> I believe.

>

> Lemon juice itself is a very good tonic for building up the

integrity of the

> veins.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

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>

>

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> Reply-oxyplus

> <oxyplus >

> Subject: Re: Re: ozone generator

> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:08:43 +0200

>

> saul,

> grapefruitjuice or lemon juice...it´s the same cleanse. i

personally think,

> lemon juice is a little bit more effective, because it is a stronger

> adstringent (right english word???)... and tastes better, too.

haha!! a

> little bit like vinaigrette...

> marlene

> Re: ozone generator

> > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:30 -0000

> >

> > Saul, I'm glad you responded. I am sure Dr. Bormann has helped

many,

> > and I always find her posts very interesting to read, but I

wonder

> > why they seem to contain cuts of you and your machines. It

makes me

> > a bit uneasy.

> >

> > I am going to try an ozone sauna here in NY (one of yours) on

> > Friday. Probably only for about 10 minutes just to see how I

do. I

> > also have to get my info on liver flushes out. I want to do one

with

> > lemon and I can't find where I stored it--perhaps you could

email me

> > again privatley with teh info? Grapefruit juice has too much

sugar

> > for me with my candida and lyme problems.

> >

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Jill,

The liver is a filter of sorts. When you do a cleanse & get out stones

you feel better. In a few weeks, stones that were farther back move

forward, clogging the filter again. This is why it takes multiple

cleanses toclean out the liver & GB.

jim

> One concern is why people only felt good for a few weeks and then had

> to do it again. That seemed odd to me.

[Guest guest]

Jim, do you also find the stones get bigger? I was just talking with

Arthur and he said that's the case.

I'm a little nervous to do a flush but I guess in any case it'll be

okay, even if it's a bit unpleasant. Well, it is time for a

hyperbaric session and then my first real sauna session--as I

finally have the bulbs placed properly.

>

> > One concern is why people only felt good for a few weeks and then

had

> > to do it again. That seemed odd to me.

[Guest guest]

Jill, my wife put off doing a liver cleanse for nearly 4 years because she read

all the stuff about how bad you can feel, etc. Even though she saw me do them

with no problem she was worried. She did one a couple of months ago and was

pleasantly surprised how good she felt afterwards and with no negative side

effects. Just do it!! :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

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Re: liver cleanse

Jim, do you also find the stones get bigger? I was just talking with

Arthur and he said that's the case.

I'm a little nervous to do a flush but I guess in any case it'll be

okay, even if it's a bit unpleasant. Well, it is time for a

hyperbaric session and then my first real sauna session--as I

finally have the bulbs placed properly.

>

> > One concern is why people only felt good for a few weeks and then

had

> > to do it again. That seemed odd to me.

[Guest guest]

Thanx for the encouragement, Ken. :-)

> >

> > > One concern is why people only felt good for a few weeks and

then

> had

> > > to do it again. That seemed odd to me.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

good morning saul,

it´s the same procedure with lemon juice. it´s a two day cleanse. i´ve

always done it with lemon juice, becasue i don´t like grapefruit juice. it

always worked very well for me. sometimes i take a little more lemon juice,

which seems to work better, as more stones are coming out. could be my

biased look at it though.....

next week-end is the time for another round of liver cleansing. i´ll try the

grapefruit juice this time. just because i´m so curious....and hungry for

learning.

have a great day

marlene

Re: ozone generator

> > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:30 -0000

> >

> > Saul, I'm glad you responded. I am sure Dr. Bormann has helped many,

> > and I always find her posts very interesting to read, but I wonder

> > why they seem to contain cuts of you and your machines. It makes me

> > a bit uneasy.

> >

> > I am going to try an ozone sauna here in NY (one of yours) on

> > Friday. Probably only for about 10 minutes just to see how I do. I

> > also have to get my info on liver flushes out. I want to do one with

> > lemon and I can't find where I stored it--perhaps you could email me

> > again privatley with teh info? Grapefruit juice has too much sugar

> > for me with my candida and lyme problems.

> >

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dear jill,

i always suggest doing a parasite cleasne prior to a liver cleanse. i don´t

know, how it can happen, but it could be, that parasites infest the liver

after or while cleansing the liver. and that seems to be a serious thing.

i also take blackwalnut hull (in capsules) with the olive oil/lemon juice.

so far, we never had problems.

re: parozol. i think, the more toxic the liver is, the harder parozol can be

on you. it is a powerful remedy, getting almost anywhere in the body. (all

excretions smell like it f.i.) but it´s better, when the liver is able to

deal with the toxins from dying candida, bacteria and other little

creatures.

re: apples. it´s the malic acid, that is supposed to soften stones nad mage

the bile flow.

good luck.

marlene

Re: ozone generator

> > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:30 -0000

> >

> > Saul, I'm glad you responded. I am sure Dr. Bormann has helped

many,

> > and I always find her posts very interesting to read, but I

wonder

> > why they seem to contain cuts of you and your machines. It

makes me

> > a bit uneasy.

> >

> > I am going to try an ozone sauna here in NY (one of yours) on

> > Friday. Probably only for about 10 minutes just to see how I

do. I

> > also have to get my info on liver flushes out. I want to do one

with

> > lemon and I can't find where I stored it--perhaps you could

email me

> > again privatley with teh info? Grapefruit juice has too much

sugar

> > for me with my candida and lyme problems.

> >

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Dear ,

Dr. Hulda says to make sure it is a fresh pink grapefruit,

for proper emulsification.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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<oxyplus >

Subject: Re: Re: liver cleanse

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:55:56 +0200

good morning saul,

it´s the same procedure with lemon juice. it´s a two day cleanse. i´ve

always done it with lemon juice, becasue i don´t like grapefruit juice. it

always worked very well for me. sometimes i take a little more lemon juice,

which seems to work better, as more stones are coming out. could be my

biased look at it though.....

next week-end is the time for another round of liver cleansing. i´ll try the

grapefruit juice this time. just because i´m so curious....and hungry for

learning.

have a great day

marlene

Re: ozone generator

> > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:30 -0000

> >

> > Saul, I'm glad you responded. I am sure Dr. Bormann has helped many,

> > and I always find her posts very interesting to read, but I wonder

> > why they seem to contain cuts of you and your machines. It makes me

> > a bit uneasy.

> >

> > I am going to try an ozone sauna here in NY (one of yours) on

> > Friday. Probably only for about 10 minutes just to see how I do. I

> > also have to get my info on liver flushes out. I want to do one with

> > lemon and I can't find where I stored it--perhaps you could email me

> > again privatley with teh info? Grapefruit juice has too much sugar

> > for me with my candida and lyme problems.

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

..... over and over.

i love liver cleanses!!!

and they greatly support getting better with lyme disease.

marlene

Re: liver cleanse

>

>

> Jim, do you also find the stones get bigger? I was just talking with

> Arthur and he said that's the case.

>

> I'm a little nervous to do a flush but I guess in any case it'll be

> okay, even if it's a bit unpleasant. Well, it is time for a

> hyperbaric session and then my first real sauna session--as I

> finally have the bulbs placed properly.

>

>

> >

> > > One concern is why people only felt good for a few weeks and then

> had

> > > to do it again. That seemed odd to me.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

.... of course fresh. in germany we can´t even buy the pink grapefruit juice

in a tetra pak or bottle.

oh by the way. the latest pharma trick here in germany/europe:

noni juice used to be prohibited to sell in all of europe. now, the mlm

company " morinda inc " went to brussels to get it legalized. and! they did

get it legalized, but have to fulfill one condition: THEY MUST PASTEURIZE

THE NONI JUICE. and the esoteric magazines are now full with ads about the

morinda inc noni juice, can you believe it. clever trick from the pharma.

make a thing useless, and then legalize it. people are dumb enough to not

notice.

oh well.

marlene

Re: ozone generator

> > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:30 -0000

> > >

> > > Saul, I'm glad you responded. I am sure Dr. Bormann has helped

many,

> > > and I always find her posts very interesting to read, but I wonder

> > > why they seem to contain cuts of you and your machines. It makes me

> > > a bit uneasy.

> > >

> > > I am going to try an ozone sauna here in NY (one of yours) on

> > > Friday. Probably only for about 10 minutes just to see how I do. I

> > > also have to get my info on liver flushes out. I want to do one

with

> > > lemon and I can't find where I stored it--perhaps you could email me

> > > again privatley with teh info? Grapefruit juice has too much sugar

> > > for me with my candida and lyme problems.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

, I know I'm not ready for the pararizol at this timebecause

even smelling it my body goes, NO. :-) How do you think I might do a

parasite cleanse? I don't trust the black walnut hull unless I had

personal connection to an herbalist as the green insides that are

antiparistic oxidize very quickily when exposed to air.

Maybe artemisinin? (it's from wormwood). What do you think? How

about just a general cleansing with some fibers and colonics or

enemas?

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I don't think this is correct. As I understand it from Dr. ,

> > only the fresh grapefruit juice from a pink grapefruit will

emulsify

> > the olive oil properly. The Epsom salts/olive oil/grapefruit juice

> > cleanse is done over two days.

> >

> > The lemon juice cleanse is meant to be done over a longer period

of

> time,

> > I believe.

> >

> > Lemon juice itself is a very good tonic for building up the

> integrity of the

> > veins.

> >

> > Best of health!

> > Dr. Saul Pressman

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

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> -----------------------------

> >

> >

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> > From: " Kunold " <*@...>

> > Reply-oxyplus

> > <oxyplus >

> > Subject: Re: Re: ozone generator

> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:08:43 +0200

> >

> > saul,

> > grapefruitjuice or lemon juice...it´s the same cleanse. i

> personally think,

> > lemon juice is a little bit more effective, because it is a

stronger

> > adstringent (right english word???)... and tastes better, too.

> haha!! a

> > little bit like vinaigrette...

> > marlene

> > Re: ozone generator

> > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:30 -0000

> > >

> > > Saul, I'm glad you responded. I am sure Dr. Bormann has helped

> many,

> > > and I always find her posts very interesting to read, but I

> wonder

> > > why they seem to contain cuts of you and your machines. It

> makes me

> > > a bit uneasy.

> > >

> > > I am going to try an ozone sauna here in NY (one of yours) on

> > > Friday. Probably only for about 10 minutes just to see how I

> do. I

> > > also have to get my info on liver flushes out. I want to do

one

> with

> > > lemon and I can't find where I stored it--perhaps you could

> email me

> > > again privatley with teh info? Grapefruit juice has too much

> sugar

> > > for me with my candida and lyme problems.

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

, do you eat lightly the day you're going to do it?

> .... over and over.

> i love liver cleanses!!!

> and they greatly support getting better with lyme disease.

> marlene

>

[Guest guest]

According to Hulga and most others that I have read: You don't eat any

fats after the night before so that the bile can build up for the flush. Then

you don't eat anything after 2 pm. I have followed these recommendations and

have found the liver flushes to be very effective and not in the least

unpleasant (except the few moments after drinking the oil/grapefruit concoction)

:-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

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Re: liver cleanse

, do you eat lightly the day you're going to do it?

> .... over and over.

> i love liver cleanses!!!

> and they greatly support getting better with lyme disease.

> marlene

>

[Guest guest]

I just did a liver cleanse this weekend with the grapefruit and olive oil. Not

uncomfortable, but you don't stray far frm the restroom Someone mentioned

about taking a pill of wormwood or black walnut? Is that with the olive oil

combo or when would you take it?

Ken Gullan - IRI wrote:

> According to Hulga and most others that I have read: You don't eat any

fats after the night before so that the bile can build up for the flush. Then

you don't eat anything after 2 pm. I have followed these recommendations and

have found the liver flushes to be very effective and not in the least

unpleasant (except the few moments after drinking the oil/grapefruit concoction)

:-)

> Best wishes and much love, Ken

>

> Ken Gullan

> Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

> San Diego, CA 92106-2424

> IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

> To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

> Re: liver cleanse

>

> , do you eat lightly the day you're going to do it?

>

>

> > .... over and over.

> > i love liver cleanses!!!

> > and they greatly support getting better with lyme disease.

> > marlene

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can someone with HepC undergoing innterferon therapy

do a liver cleanse?

What /vitamin/supplement support would you recommend for HepC?

[Guest guest]

> Can someone with HepC undergoing innterferon therapy

> do a liver cleanse?

> What /vitamin/supplement support would you recommend for HepC?

>

I certainly do NOT have an understanding of how to treat

HepC--- so this is not meant as " a whole answer " ---

however, I would certainly include milk thistle, a great

liver support herb. You could also consider other liver

support things such as artichoke (extract, and/or eat

the vegetable), beets (the vegetable, use in moderation,

it is very strong), low or no consumption of drugs/alcohol.

Also, if the pricetag is not a big problem, acupunture.

(Okay, well that is not exactly a supplement!)

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Yes, we have had some people do that with no problem.

Milk thistle, mariendistel, dandelion root, beet juice, Swedish bitters,

Udo's Ultimate oil blend, methylene blue, aloe vera.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Subject: Re: Re: liver cleanse

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:53:49 EDT

Can someone with HepC undergoing innterferon therapy

do a liver cleanse?

What /vitamin/supplement support would you recommend for HepC?

[Guest guest]

dear jill,

on the day of the liver cleanse i eat nothing but peeled organic apples and

drink fresh apple juice and water.

marlene

Re: liver cleanse

> , do you eat lightly the day you're going to do it?

>

>

> > .... over and over.

> > i love liver cleanses!!!

> > and they greatly support getting better with lyme disease.

> > marlene

> >

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

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[Guest guest]

....think, i was the one...

i take 5 capsules of black walnut hulls with the mix of lemon juice and

olive oil. black walnut hulls can be obtained (and taken with the liver

cleasne/1 teaspoon) as an liquid extract as well.

i think, in the states you can get it from www.herbalhut.com

marlene

Re: liver cleanse

> >

> > , do you eat lightly the day you're going to do it?

> >

> >

> > > .... over and over.

> > > i love liver cleanses!!!

> > > and they greatly support getting better with lyme disease.

> > > marlene

> > >

> >

> >