Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 so at the end of day two i haven't passed stones, and thanks to everyone's input i think i have an understanding of this process and i do believe they are real. the stones will be soft and green. for some reason my cleanse didnt produce any stones. if anyone besides michael has any idea what can cause this please chime in. thanks for all the input so far-- i have learned alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Has anyone noticed their allergies abating after doing a series of liver cleanses? I have heard that doing the liver cleanse can eliminate allergies. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Has anyone noticed their allergies abating after doing a series of liver cleanses? I have heard that doing the liver cleanse can eliminate allergies. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Wow! flushing is popular all of a sudden. ;-) Yes, I have noticed different allergic conditions improve or disappear after different flushes. Also, chronically spasmed muscles connected to the liver -- every time. That's one of the main reasons I do flushes periodically. As for luck's concern over the origin of what he is passing, instead of getting frustrated trying be absolutely certain, simply recognize that you can pass stones from the liver at the same time a chunk of gunk can come out from your colon -- so what? I'm sure that's what Saul meant in his post, when he said get the colon clean before the liver flush, because you never know what you might get out.... or words to that effect. If you have to be totally certain, take it to your MD and have it tested! Prove it to yourself. Proof is not in our job description. So, don't ask us what you are passing, lucky, you are our eyes & ears in that department. Tell us! ;-)) Floating - When something comes out in a flush, or a BM for that matter, and floats, all it means is that what's floating is lighter than water. If it is normal fecal matter, it means your waste is not well digested/assimilated. Cholesteral stones float because they do. The only pea green manufactured by the body is bile. The olive oil eaten argument, or even pea soup, is irrelevant, because the stones are green whether you eat something green or not. And, yes, the soft cholesterol stones do come from the liver until it's clean, regardless what lucky is passing this time. Did I miss some questions? There were so many posts. jim Patty wrote: > > Has anyone noticed their allergies abating after doing a series of liver > cleanses? I have heard that doing the liver cleanse can eliminate > allergies. > Patty > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Wow! flushing is popular all of a sudden. ;-) Yes, I have noticed different allergic conditions improve or disappear after different flushes. Also, chronically spasmed muscles connected to the liver -- every time. That's one of the main reasons I do flushes periodically. As for luck's concern over the origin of what he is passing, instead of getting frustrated trying be absolutely certain, simply recognize that you can pass stones from the liver at the same time a chunk of gunk can come out from your colon -- so what? I'm sure that's what Saul meant in his post, when he said get the colon clean before the liver flush, because you never know what you might get out.... or words to that effect. If you have to be totally certain, take it to your MD and have it tested! Prove it to yourself. Proof is not in our job description. So, don't ask us what you are passing, lucky, you are our eyes & ears in that department. Tell us! ;-)) Floating - When something comes out in a flush, or a BM for that matter, and floats, all it means is that what's floating is lighter than water. If it is normal fecal matter, it means your waste is not well digested/assimilated. Cholesteral stones float because they do. The only pea green manufactured by the body is bile. The olive oil eaten argument, or even pea soup, is irrelevant, because the stones are green whether you eat something green or not. And, yes, the soft cholesterol stones do come from the liver until it's clean, regardless what lucky is passing this time. Did I miss some questions? There were so many posts. jim Patty wrote: > > Has anyone noticed their allergies abating after doing a series of liver > cleanses? I have heard that doing the liver cleanse can eliminate > allergies. > Patty > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Hi Saul, Late evening? I am doing the ozone saunas as you know. Question: Will funneling ozone over my liver affect stones at all? I have not done a liver cleanse because I am still nursing my daughter (I am eager to do one as soon as she is done, as I need one badly). BTW I funneled over my maxillary sinuses with a small make up funnel and it seemed to work great. Jacqui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Dear Patty, Yes, a liver cleanse is the first step in reducing allergies and sensitivities. The epidemic of multiple chemical sensitivities we are facing is due to toxic chemicals being stored in the liver, plugging it. It almost makes me cry sometimes when I have someone who is suffering severely from MCS tell me that they could not tolerate a liver cleanse, which is the only thing that is ever going to bring them back to a state of health. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Patty " <faussettdp@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Re: liver cleanse Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:54:15 -0700 Has anyone noticed their allergies abating after doing a series of liver cleanses? I have heard that doing the liver cleanse can eliminate allergies. Patty _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Dear Jacqui, It seems that all my evenings are late these days. Summer is my busy season.... Funneling over the liver will improve its functioning, and eliminate viruses and bacteria, but will not likely result in any stones being released, as the channels hold them tightly so they will not escape. That is why the Epsom salts is required, to open the channels, so the olive oil/grapefruit can flush them out. Glad to hear about the sinus improvement. Keep me posted... Best of Health! Dr. Saul ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: klinksinat1@... Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: liver cleanse Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:25:42 EDT Hi Saul, Late evening? I am doing the ozone saunas as you know. Question: Will funneling ozone over my liver affect stones at all? I have not done a liver cleanse because I am still nursing my daughter (I am eager to do one as soon as she is done, as I need one badly). BTW I funneled over my maxillary sinuses with a small make up funnel and it seemed to work great. Jacqui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 If a persons duct leading into liver had closed and had to be reopened, would it be dangerous to do the liver clense? The doctor said if it closed again a stint would have to be put in to keep it opened? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 My husband did. He used to have horrible allergies, snorting to itch his itchy throat, itchy eyes, sinus pressure, etc. I did a liver cleanse following the directions in Hulda s book. I was very impressed that my sinuses cleared up and I was able to smell things where as before, my sense of smell was pretty dull. I felt so much better that I did another cleanse a few weeks later. That got his attention. He said he wanted to try one, so he did. About half way through it, he was ready to throw in the towel, but kept going because I had done it twice even though it is a nasty thing to do! :-) After the cleanse and getting a lot of the green stones out, he took very large doses of milk thistle. I think it was 6 capsules twice a day. He did this for about a week I think. He hasn't had allergy problems since. ~Karma http://loaves-n-fishes.com http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com Re: liver cleanse Has anyone noticed their allergies abating after doing a series of liver cleanses? I have heard that doing the liver cleanse can eliminate allergies. Patty OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Dear Joe, I would be very cautious in this case. There are other, slower liver cleanses that I would follow instead. Several people have posted about them in the past. Over to you Jim. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ------------------------------------------------------------ From: " (GR) " <guarantyreserves@...> Reply-oxyplus " INTERNET:oxyplus " <oxyplus > Subject: Re: liver cleanse Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:23:24 -0400 If a persons duct leading into liver had closed and had to be reopened, would it be dangerous to do the liver clense? The doctor said if it closed again a stint would have to be put in to keep it opened? Joe _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Dr. Saul: Can you give me one of these slower liver clenses that will be safer due to my duct having been reopened. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 its day 3 for me-- no stones came out. and i feel totally normal. no change whatsoever good or bad. aside from not eatng much in those two dasy which weakened me just a bit. why don;t you try a colonic to try and get that stuff out of you. supposedly during a few colonics, the therapist told me that i released some green stuff which she thought came out of the liver. just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 its day 3 for me-- no stones came out. and i feel totally normal. no change whatsoever good or bad. aside from not eatng much in those two dasy which weakened me just a bit. why don;t you try a colonic to try and get that stuff out of you. supposedly during a few colonics, the therapist told me that i released some green stuff which she thought came out of the liver. just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Hi Donna, Sorry you're not doing so good YET. It's coming tho. Just remembered reading something on Dr. 's site about the liver flush. She was talking about how safe it is even for the very elderly. However, she did suggest not doing it when you're sick. I guess do at your own discretion. She did state that some did become quite sick, but that of all those that became very sick, none had done a parasite cleanse before. I didn't do a parasite cleanse before my first flush, and it really did wipe me out for a few days (not weeks, just days). I know you said you tested negative for parasites, but tests aren't a 100% correct either. Just a thought. And if, indeed, there is a parasite and or bacteria in each and every stone, you might have just unleashed 'a can of worms' literally! Hope you get to feeling better real soon. Gail Liver Cleanse > Hi all, Just wanted to share my two cents on the liver cleanse thing. I have done two this year. The first one produced nothing, but I felt better afterward anyway. The second one produced about fifty or more stones of various sizes. Obvious stones, very green. That one was at least three weeks ago and I am still recovering. My eye color changed from clear blue grey to blue grey with brown in it. I definitely released some stuff that still hasn't gotten cleaned up. > > I wanted to do another one really soon, but I have felt so waylayed since the last one that I am opting to not do it again for awhile since I have physical challenges coming up that I need to have strength for and cannot afford to be recovering from aliver cleanse. > > Tho I have felt bad since doing this last cleanse, I know it was a good thing to do and intend to do more. I just don't have the luxury, right now, of spending a month or more, getting back on track. Wish I did, because I would like to get it over with. > > Anyway, I am sharing this, because no everyone feels better afterward, not right away anyway. I had lots of negative symptoms afterward. I kept trying to break out with herpes on lip, had pain in bladder, which I assume was from too much junk being dumped. Digestion is worse. Also had major fatigue and various pains in digestive organs - speen included. > Inspite of all the negative things I just listed, I know it is a good thing to do and plan to do more. I just don't want anyone to think that it is all up and positive afterward, for everyone. > > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Hi Gail. Well, I have done some mild parasite cleansing, bwalnut, etc. and I didn't get sick after the first cleanse, but did after the second, so if parasites were the issue, I would have gotten sick both times. I think I just moved alot of trash out of my liver and bowel, but not out of my body and it takes time for it to get cleaned up. And I believe I moved some stones forward which are now not in good spots and are messing my liver up. So I look forward to getting them all out, just don't have a schedule that allow for lots of down time right now. So I won't do it again until that changes. I am also doing Milk Thistle as Bill suggested and that helpful, as is homozon. It just takes time. I am mostly over it, but it took weeks and I wasn't expecting that. I was expecting to feel better like I did after the first one. Thanks for the suggestions, all. Donna -----Original Message----- Hi Donna, Sorry you're not doing so good YET. It's coming tho. Just remembered reading something on Dr. 's site about the liver flush. She was talking about how safe it is even for the very elderly. However, she did suggest not doing it when you're sick. I guess do at your own discretion. She did state that some did become quite sick, but that of all those that became very sick, none had done a parasite cleanse before. I didn't do a parasite cleanse before my first flush, and it really did wipe me out for a few days (not weeks, just days). I know you said you tested negative for parasites, but tests aren't a 100% correct either. Just a thought. And if, indeed, there is a parasite and or bacteria in each and every stone, you might have just unleashed 'a can of worms' literally! Hope you get to feeling better real soon. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Re: Liver Cleanse > Hi Gail. Well, I have done some mild parasite cleansing, bwalnut, etc. and I didn't get sick after the first cleanse, but did after the second, so if parasites were the issue, I would have gotten sick both times. I think I just moved alot of trash out of my liver and bowel, but not out of my body and it takes time for it to get cleaned up. And I believe I moved some stones forward which are now not in good spots and are messing my liver up. So I look forward to getting them all out, just don't have a schedule that allow for lots of down time right now. So I won't do it again until that changes. > > I am also doing Milk Thistle as Bill suggested and that helpful, as is homozon. It just takes time. I am mostly over it, but it took weeks and I wasn't expecting that. I was expecting to feel better like I did after the first one. > > Thanks for the suggestions, all. > Donna > -----Original Message----- > > > Hi Donna, > > Sorry you're not doing so good YET. It's coming tho. Just remembered > reading something on Dr. 's site about the liver flush. She was > talking about how safe it is even for the very elderly. However, she did > suggest not doing it when you're sick. I guess do at your own discretion. > She did state that some did become quite sick, but that of all those that > became very sick, none had done a parasite cleanse before. I didn't do a > parasite cleanse before my first flush, and it really did wipe me out for a > few days (not weeks, just days). I know you said you tested negative for > parasites, but tests aren't a 100% correct either. Just a thought. And if, > indeed, there is a parasite and or bacteria in each and every stone, you > might have just unleashed 'a can of worms' literally! > > Hope you get to feeling better real soon. > > Gail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Re: Liver Cleanse > Hi Gail. Well, I have done some mild parasite cleansing, bwalnut, etc. and I didn't get sick after the first cleanse, but did after the second, so if parasites were the issue, I would have gotten sick both times. I think I just moved alot of trash out of my liver and bowel, but not out of my body and it takes time for it to get cleaned up. And I believe I moved some stones forward which are now not in good spots and are messing my liver up. So I look forward to getting them all out, just don't have a schedule that allow for lots of down time right now. So I won't do it again until that changes. > > I am also doing Milk Thistle as Bill suggested and that helpful, as is homozon. It just takes time. I am mostly over it, but it took weeks and I wasn't expecting that. I was expecting to feel better like I did after the first one. > > Thanks for the suggestions, all. > Donna > -----Original Message----- > > > Hi Donna, > > Sorry you're not doing so good YET. It's coming tho. Just remembered > reading something on Dr. 's site about the liver flush. She was > talking about how safe it is even for the very elderly. However, she did > suggest not doing it when you're sick. I guess do at your own discretion. > She did state that some did become quite sick, but that of all those that > became very sick, none had done a parasite cleanse before. I didn't do a > parasite cleanse before my first flush, and it really did wipe me out for a > few days (not weeks, just days). I know you said you tested negative for > parasites, but tests aren't a 100% correct either. Just a thought. And if, > indeed, there is a parasite and or bacteria in each and every stone, you > might have just unleashed 'a can of worms' literally! > > Hope you get to feeling better real soon. > > Gail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 liver cleanse Hi Dave, Don't know " how come? " :-) I read, tho, that one might not get the desired results if they take supplements of any kind or if they don't do the parasite cleanse first. Still I don't know why. I've heard of people who still took their supplements and got very good results anyway. And the confussion continues......... Gail > > Hi Gail, all, > > You aren't allowed to take ANY supplements when doing the liver cleanse?? > No vitamin C or calcium or anything? How come? > > Dave > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 I have been quickly scanning all the messages going by about the liver cleanses. I did a liver cleanse several years ago under the care of an alternative medical doctor. Just want to mention a couple of things: ** The doctor had me drink the apple juice mixed with a type of phosphoric acid. If anyone is interested, I will try to dig out the bottle to give you the name of the brand. Supposedly, the mixture of the apple juice with the phosphoric acid was to help soften the stones. Then, of course, came the Epsom Salts, and olive oil mixed with fresh grapefruit juice. ** In my experience, I probably took too much magnesium (in the Epsom Salts). In the late evening after drinking the epsom salts in water, right before I tried to go to sleep, I found my heart doing some strange beats (had some skipped beats), and my skeletal muscles felt way too flaccid. In thinking back on the experience, from my 1 experience, I would just caution other people to recall that magnesium is used in medical settings (magnesium sulfate via IV) for various conditions, including cardiac conditions, and to help expectant moms to not have seizures when they are in the state of " pre-ecclampsia / ecclampsia / toxemia " . If I were to do the liver cleanse again, I would probably just pay more attention to my body, and not to the directions I had been given in trying to force down more and more magnesium (Epsom Salts). I ended up passing lots of stones, later on that night (tons!!) and then for several days passed more. What an experience! Carol > Hi Joe, > > 2 of us are doing Dr. 's Liver Cleanse this > Friday to Saturday, and we are drinking apple juice > which is supposed to soften the stones. ..... > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 I have been quickly scanning all the messages going by about the liver cleanses. I did a liver cleanse several years ago under the care of an alternative medical doctor. Just want to mention a couple of things: ** The doctor had me drink the apple juice mixed with a type of phosphoric acid. If anyone is interested, I will try to dig out the bottle to give you the name of the brand. Supposedly, the mixture of the apple juice with the phosphoric acid was to help soften the stones. Then, of course, came the Epsom Salts, and olive oil mixed with fresh grapefruit juice. ** In my experience, I probably took too much magnesium (in the Epsom Salts). In the late evening after drinking the epsom salts in water, right before I tried to go to sleep, I found my heart doing some strange beats (had some skipped beats), and my skeletal muscles felt way too flaccid. In thinking back on the experience, from my 1 experience, I would just caution other people to recall that magnesium is used in medical settings (magnesium sulfate via IV) for various conditions, including cardiac conditions, and to help expectant moms to not have seizures when they are in the state of " pre-ecclampsia / ecclampsia / toxemia " . If I were to do the liver cleanse again, I would probably just pay more attention to my body, and not to the directions I had been given in trying to force down more and more magnesium (Epsom Salts). I ended up passing lots of stones, later on that night (tons!!) and then for several days passed more. What an experience! Carol > Hi Joe, > > 2 of us are doing Dr. 's Liver Cleanse this > Friday to Saturday, and we are drinking apple juice > which is supposed to soften the stones. ..... > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Dear Carol, Magnesium has a relaxing action. This is just what is required in order to allow big stones to pass through small channels. Epsom salts is magnesium hexasulphate. If you take less than the recommended amount, you may not release many stones, because they can't get through the tight channels. To counteract heart murmurs, take some Co-Q10 and some calcium with Vitamin D before sleeping, so the magnesium does not push the heart too far out of whack. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ---------------------------------------------------- From: Carol <carol@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Liver cleanse Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:42:18 -0700 I have been quickly scanning all the messages going by about the liver cleanses. I did a liver cleanse several years ago under the care of an alternative medical doctor. Just want to mention a couple of things: ** The doctor had me drink the apple juice mixed with a type of phosphoric acid. If anyone is interested, I will try to dig out the bottle to give you the name of the brand. Supposedly, the mixture of the apple juice with the phosphoric acid was to help soften the stones. Then, of course, came the Epsom Salts, and olive oil mixed with fresh grapefruit juice. ** In my experience, I probably took too much magnesium (in the Epsom Salts). In the late evening after drinking the epsom salts in water, right before I tried to go to sleep, I found my heart doing some strange beats (had some skipped beats), and my skeletal muscles felt way too flaccid. In thinking back on the experience, from my 1 experience, I would just caution other people to recall that magnesium is used in medical settings (magnesium sulfate via IV) for various conditions, including cardiac conditions, and to help expectant moms to not have seizures when they are in the state of " pre-ecclampsia / ecclampsia / toxemia " . If I were to do the liver cleanse again, I would probably just pay more attention to my body, and not to the directions I had been given in trying to force down more and more magnesium (Epsom Salts). I ended up passing lots of stones, later on that night (tons!!) and then for several days passed more. What an experience! Carol > Hi Joe, > > 2 of us are doing Dr. 's Liver Cleanse this > Friday to Saturday, and we are drinking apple juice > which is supposed to soften the stones. ..... > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 please give me the name of the brand tks Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 To Saul, The calcium idea is a good one. It really makes sense! I will try to remember that for the next time I try the liver cleanse. I guess after my last experience, I was feeling a little cautious. Thanks again for the good ideas. -------------------------------- To Joe, who wrote that he wanted the brand name of the phosphoric acid, I found the bottle. Here is what it says on it: Distributed by Ultra Life " Accessories to Natural Living " ULTRA-PHOS LIQUID (Ortho-Phosphoric Acid) 60cc The Health of Balance P. O. Box 440 Carlyle, IL 62231 Each drop supplies: Ortho-Phosphoric Acid 13 mg Choline Bitartrate 0.27 mg Inositol 0.57 mg Side of the bottle reads: Each 30 drops supplies 390 mg of Ortho-Phosphoric Acid which yields 120 mg Phosphorus (2% of the USRDA) and 17 mg of Inositol and 6 mg of Choline Bitartrate. Other side of bottle read: Product no. 6235 " Recommendation " reads: 30 drops per day diluted in water or juice or as otherwise directed. ----- Re: the Ultra-Phos I thought I'd cruise the web, and on , I found a few websites that mention the stuff. Unfortunately, I don't remember anything about how I was supposed to take the Ultra-Phos and apple juice. The websites are: http://www.highvibe.com/fullgall.htm http://hiddencures.com/gallbladderflush.htm http://www.npwt.net/~energy/bodyflushes.html At 07:17 AM 08/30/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Carol, > >Magnesium has a relaxing action. This is just what is >required in order to allow big stones to pass through >small channels. > >Epsom salts is magnesium hexasulphate. If you take less >than the recommended amount, you may not release many >stones, because they can't get through the tight channels. > >To counteract heart murmurs, take some Co-Q10 and some calcium >with Vitamin D before sleeping, so the magnesium does not push >the heart too far out of whack. > >Best of Health! >Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH >---------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 luckower@...: " i don't really feel dramatically beter yet. maybe i will have to do a bunch of them. " Regarding liver cleanse...I pulled this quote from another board recently! Seems to imply a lengthy procedure. Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 11:57 pm Subject: 16 th Liver Cleanse! The sixteenth Liver cleanse only yeilded 45 stones(2070 in total) They were bright, bright ,bright pea green. No blackness or junk inside. Just small and green. I am beginning to wonder if they will ever stop coming or are they even suppossed to stop completely. The bile will still be released when you ingest the oil/grapefruitjuice. They still float. Does bile float on its own. Perhaps a small amount of stones are suppossed to keep coming. Anyone know if you are eventually suppossed to get nothing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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