Re: Welcome to Vaccinations@onelist.com

[Guest guest]

We have chosen not to vaccinate our children, not because of an informed

decision, but because of the damage sustained by a Dpt vaccine to our oldest

child.

had a " classical " reaction to her first Dpt vaccine nineteen years ago

when there was very little or no discussion of vaccine damage. When she was

three months old, she received her first Dpt. Within approximately 10 hours

she was screaming uncontrollably and began having little " jerks " , later

diagnosed as infantile spasms. Being a very young mother, the pediatrician

felt I was being too anxious in feeling there was something wrong After she

had had her second Dpt shot two months later at the age of five months, her

development dropped back to that of a newborn. All she would do was nurse and

sleep. She didn't play or hold her head up and these little 'jerks " were

becoming an every day throughout the day occurrence. I consulted another

pediatrician and from there our life has never been the same.

is now 19 years old and functions on the level of a 9 to 12 month old.

She has a severe seizure disorder that has never been fully controlled even

after 5 cranial surgeries for seizures. She has most recently developed

neuromuscular scoliosis and has had three surgeries in the last 10 months to

try to manage this new condition.

We have five other children (three boys and two girls) and needless to say

vaccination has never been an issue for them. I look forward to being on this

e-mail list not only for our benefit, but in hopes that whatever support I can

give to others through discussions or sharing of experiences, will make what

happened to a more positive event. She is a blessing to our family and

has taught our other children a level of acceptance and tolerance to them that

my husband and I could never have achieved.

[Guest guest]

ClintonVA@... wrote:

>

> <<<<We have chosen not to vaccinate our children, not because of an informed

> decision, but because of the damage sustained by a Dpt vaccine to our oldest

> child.

>

> had a " classical " reaction to her first Dpt vaccine nineteen years ago

> when there was very little or no discussion of vaccine damage. When she was

> three months old, she received her first Dpt. Within approximately 10 hours

> she was screaming uncontrollably and began having little " jerks " , later

> diagnosed as infantile spasms. Being a very young mother, the pediatrician

> felt I was being too anxious in feeling there was something wrong After she

> had had her second Dpt shot two months later at the age of five months, her

> development dropped back to that of a newborn. All she would do was nurse and

> sleep. She didn't play or hold her head up and these little 'jerks " were

> becoming an every day throughout the day occurrence. I consulted another

> pediatrician and from there our life has never been the same.

>

> is now 19 years old and functions on the level of a 9 to 12 month old.

> She has a severe seizure disorder that has never been fully controlled even

> after 5 cranial surgeries for seizures. She has most recently developed

> neuromuscular scoliosis and has had three surgeries in the last 10 months to

> try to manage this new condition.

>

> We have five other children (three boys and two girls) and needless to say

> vaccination has never been an issue for them. I look forward to being on this

> e-mail list not only for our benefit, but in hopes that whatever support I can

> give to others through discussions or sharing of experiences, will make what

> happened to a more positive event. She is a blessing to our family and

> has taught our other children a level of acceptance and tolerance to them that

> my husband and I could never have achieved.>>>>

>

Welcome to the list from another newbie. I am so sorry to hear of your

experience. I'm sure you will find lots of support here.

Brightest Blessings,

(MysticMoonWolf)

[Guest guest]

At 05:10 PM 1/6/99 EST, you wrote:

>From: ClintonVA@...

> is now 19 years old and functions on the level of a 9 to 12 month old.

>She has a severe seizure disorder that has never been fully controlled even

>after 5 cranial surgeries for seizures. She has most recently developed

>neuromuscular scoliosis and has had three surgeries in the last 10 months to

>try to manage this new condition.

I can only fathom the heartache you experienced when your dtr became ill

and the anger you felt when doctors didn't acknowledge the cause. When I

was gathering information to make a decicision 'to vaccinate or not' I

remember coming across a story of a little boy named cody (which is my sons

name) having a similar reaction to the DTP and how he was never the same

again. It really disgusts me that our culture trully believes that it is

worth the sacrifice of a few in order for the 'whole' to become stronger.

It isn't moral...and I'm sure if it happened to their child, they wouldn't

feel the same. Doctors have no place in playing god, by poking their toxic

needles in our children - some live, some die, and some are never the same

again. My heart goes out to you in all that you have endured.

Lana

mama of cody ukiah (8-15-97)

>We have chosen not to vaccinate our children, not because of an informed

>decision, but because of the damage sustained by a Dpt vaccine to our oldest

>child.

>

> had a " classical " reaction to her first Dpt vaccine nineteen years ago

>when there was very little or no discussion of vaccine damage. When she was

>three months old, she received her first Dpt. Within approximately 10 hours

>she was screaming uncontrollably and began having little " jerks " , later

>diagnosed as infantile spasms. Being a very young mother, the pediatrician

>felt I was being too anxious in feeling there was something wrong After she

>had had her second Dpt shot two months later at the age of five months, her

>development dropped back to that of a newborn. All she would do was nurse

and

>sleep. She didn't play or hold her head up and these little 'jerks " were

>becoming an every day throughout the day occurrence. I consulted another

>pediatrician and from there our life has never been the same.

>

> is now 19 years old and functions on the level of a 9 to 12 month old.

>She has a severe seizure disorder that has never been fully controlled even

>after 5 cranial surgeries for seizures. She has most recently developed

>neuromuscular scoliosis and has had three surgeries in the last 10 months to

>try to manage this new condition.

>

>We have five other children (three boys and two girls) and needless to say

>vaccination has never been an issue for them. I look forward to being on

this

>e-mail list not only for our benefit, but in hopes that whatever support I

can

>give to others through discussions or sharing of experiences, will make what

>happened to a more positive event. She is a blessing to our family and

>has taught our other children a level of acceptance and tolerance to them

that

>my husband and I could never have achieved.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

> Hello everyone and thanks to for welcoming me on the list.

As she so kindly asks I'll try to make a short summary of introduction and

presentation.

First I understand that the great majority on this list are based in the States

(maybe I am wrong and I really hope so).

I am based in Belgium (Europe) and am the mother of a lovely months old boy.

I've been healing myself for about years with homeopathy and lately work much

more

with aromatherapy and very much with flower essences.

My whole pregnancy has been followed by a homeopathic gyneacologist and

is

being followed by a homeopathic pediatrician.

When it came to vaccines, that is to say he was (still is but in another one) in

a

daycare center (well center is a big word as this lady only kept three babies),

this center is supervised (as the great majority) by a national entity called

ONE

(Office National de l'Enfance-Children Health Care) The law in Belgium only

imposes

polio vaccination. This ONE though imposes nearly the whole serie of

vaccinations

with a planning they " suggest " .

As I am dealing with the homeopathic philosophy, psychosomatic side of diseases,

I

am thus very much more concerned about the psychological aspect of myself first,

and of course my child ( at his age he is of course very much dependent on my

emotional state - even though he already has his own way of dealing with

things).

This philosophy brought me to the belief that every disease being caused by a

emotional state - thus bringing the body into a state of openness to any illness

-

on the other hand, starting to really take the responsibility for my life and

all

that happens to us as being the result of our creation, I started wondering

about

" why vaccine? " . Why another " umbrella " ?

Then being pushed by this ONE (if you don't want to vaccine, we don't accept

your

child anymore in a daycare center - you should find someone else ... - nice

blackmail), my lovely mother took me to a conference of an incredible doctor

that

yes gives the vaccination but homeopatically. Woaw, that was exactly what I

needed

!!! So my little has indeed been vaccined for polio and tetanos but in

what I consider a proper way that is to say giving his cells the information

about

the disease, not the disease itself - dead or alive, who cares ? (get the

difference ???).

Now I have this wonderful doctor and feel is safe.

To the list, I will be moving to Israel at the end of the year, will have one or

two more babies there, can anyone enlighten me on the situation over there ? I

heard they are not yet very strong on homeopathy, and what about the vaccine

legislation ?

Thanks for any answer or tip where I could get the information.

And I am very happy to be on this list and realize a tremendous amount of people

deal this same point of view (whichever background) the aim is the same, thanks

God.

Dominique

[Guest guest]

shalom dominique,

please, before you leave belgium, send us those homeopathic ob's and

pediatricians, there is an acute shortage of that type in the usa!!!

with regard to israel, i'm not sure about the legal situation on

vaccines, but do prepared for a fight. and being pregnant over there

is no fun, they impose just about every test in existence on the

foetus... this was the situation less than two years ago, and i doubt

it has changed. a friend of mine, 25 years old, with absolutely no

history in her family of diseases, had to go through virtually every

test there is, including the one to check for down's syndrome (sorry,

forgotten the medical term for it). at such a young age? that really

put me off moving there. until then, i was seriously considering it.

instead, my son avi was born in california, so i only have to fight

the school system to 'safe' my daughter sara from being vaccinated...

i am pretty sure, though, that there are loopholes in the israeli

system, so find out as much as you can before you get pregnant over

there...

love and light

claudia

---Dominique LEMAIRE <DLemaire.ELF.UE@...> wrote:

>

> From: Dominique LEMAIRE <DLemaire.ELF.UE@...>

>

> > Hello everyone and thanks to for welcoming me on the list.

>

> As she so kindly asks I'll try to make a short summary of

introduction and

> presentation.

>

> First I understand that the great majority on this list are based in

the States

> (maybe I am wrong and I really hope so).

> I am based in Belgium (Europe) and am the mother of a lovely months

old boy.

>

> I've been healing myself for about years with homeopathy and lately

work much more

> with aromatherapy and very much with flower essences.

>

> My whole pregnancy has been followed by a homeopathic gyneacologist

and is

> being followed by a homeopathic pediatrician.

>

> When it came to vaccines, that is to say he was (still is but in

another one) in a

> daycare center (well center is a big word as this lady only kept

three babies),

> this center is supervised (as the great majority) by a national

entity called ONE

> (Office National de l'Enfance-Children Health Care) The law in

Belgium only imposes

> polio vaccination. This ONE though imposes nearly the whole serie of

vaccinations

> with a planning they " suggest " .

>

> As I am dealing with the homeopathic philosophy, psychosomatic side

of diseases, I

> am thus very much more concerned about the psychological aspect of

myself first,

> and of course my child ( at his age he is of course very much

dependent on my

> emotional state - even though he already has his own way of dealing

with things).

> This philosophy brought me to the belief that every disease being

caused by a

> emotional state - thus bringing the body into a state of openness to

any illness -

> on the other hand, starting to really take the responsibility for my

life and all

> that happens to us as being the result of our creation, I started

wondering about

> " why vaccine? " . Why another " umbrella " ?

>

> Then being pushed by this ONE (if you don't want to vaccine, we

don't accept your

> child anymore in a daycare center - you should find someone else ...

- nice

> blackmail), my lovely mother took me to a conference of an

incredible doctor that

> yes gives the vaccination but homeopatically. Woaw, that was exactly

what I needed

> !!! So my little has indeed been vaccined for polio and

tetanos but in

> what I consider a proper way that is to say giving his cells the

information about

> the disease, not the disease itself - dead or alive, who cares ?

(get the

> difference ???).

>

> Now I have this wonderful doctor and feel is safe.

>

> To the list, I will be moving to Israel at the end of the year, will

have one or

> two more babies there, can anyone enlighten me on the situation over

there ? I

> heard they are not yet very strong on homeopathy, and what about the

vaccine

> legislation ?

>

> Thanks for any answer or tip where I could get the information.

>

> And I am very happy to be on this list and realize a tremendous

amount of people

> deal this same point of view (whichever background) the aim is the

same, thanks

> God.

>

> Dominique

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

HI everyone! I am Sue and a few days new to the group! Already I

appreciate the help I have gotten here (printed out just yesterday " what

to say to your ped!! " thanks so much!!) I refused the chicken pox

vaccine for my (one) year old twins just two weeks ago. I have been

doing alot of reading and am pretty sure I DO NOT want to vaccinate my

children any further (they had the regular shots as infants, I did not

even know to question them!!!!) I am getting alot of pressure from

everyone (including close friends in the medical profession) TO

vaccinate, so I am here for support, help, and info!! I am so sorry to

hear of those here who have suffered from vaccine-injury!! My heart

goes out to you and your families!!

Love

Sue (mom to Talia & Tanner 12/22/97)

> Hello,

>

> Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.

>

> Once you have received this note please take the time and post an

> introduction

> to the group.

> All mail for this group is sent to: Vaccinationsonelist

> If you have questions that you would like me to answer personally

> please send

> mail to Mom2Q@....

> We would be happy to hear about your vaccination experiences, why you

> have

> chosen not to vaccinate,

> what, if any, information you are looking for and anything else you

> would like

> to tell us about yourself and

> your family. Please ask any questions too, we are all here to learn

> about

> vaccinations and vaccine-related issues.

> I as the list owner have made a very educated decision not to

> vaccinate and my

> daughter and

> all future children. I hope you enjoy this list and learn lots about

> vaccinations.

>

> Please also take the time and view the archived posts from this list.

> There is

> lots of information in our previous posts.

> You can view these messages at:

> /archives.cgi/Vaccinations

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone! I am a few days new to the list as well (like you, Sue!) I

am mother to our daughter, Via, who is now 16months... (Also like Sue,)

Via has been vaccinated up until now except for the Chicken Pox

vaccine.... which actually was the one that initiated me to research....

I have really begun to regret my decision (or lack there of, actually...

because I didn't even think to ask....) I'm reading all sorts of books

(Thanks to those who posted the names of them....)

We're planning on having other children and I want to be well informed

ahead of time this time... and hopefully learn from mistakes and pray

that Via remain healthy...

We feel Via is the most wonderful gift from God.... we practice what we

figured out later was attachment parenting... it just came naturally and

we feel so connected as a family!

Thank you for all the information and I look forward to becoming more

knowledgeable thru your posts....

ashleigh and dan

<><

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/4/99 10:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vaccinations-

owneronelist writes:

<< Please ask any questions too, we are all here to learn about

vaccinations and vaccine-related issues. >>

Hello, I hope that all is well with all of you and your families.

Over the last year, I have been collecting data about vaccinations and I have

suspended all immunizations of my children. I am very comfortable with my

decision, and now I am trying to learn how to best treat some of the illnesses

my child and I may come down with. I do not believe in " western " medicine,

with some exceptions like emergency and cosmetic, and I am interested on how

people have treated measles, mumps, etc. homeopathically or herbally.

Herbal medicine is something I have a lot of experience with, and

recently I have been using a lot of classical homeopathy as well, but I have

no direct experience in treating measles, mumps, etc. etc. I do know of a

bunch of different herbs and homeopathic treatments, but which ones have you

actually used with success? Obviously, although the risk is very low, there

are some severe complications associated with these " normal " childhood

illnesses. For instance, how have people avoided subacute schlerosising

panencephalitis? As a general rule, I DO NOT lower fevers in the ill--not

allopathically, herbally, or homeopathically, but what about the long-term

fever that can accompany measles? Do any of you lower fever after 48 hrs? If

so, do you think that it lengthened the duration of the disease? I have a lot

of questions about treatment, and I am VERY interested in discussing this with

people who have direct experience (i.e. your children or yourself) in handling

the diseases outside " western " modalities. Also, I myself am not vaccinated

against MMR, have any of you fallen ill when your children have? Did you

suffer from severe case of the disease?

Well, I have SO many other questions, but I do not want to post a

marathon letter. Thanks so much.

BTW, my name is Getra but everyone calls me " G. " The following is m bio from

my BF list.

Name: Getra, everyone calls me " G "

Screenname: MooMomTo2@...

Address: South Florida

Family/Children: Married with two beautiful daughters aged 3 and

10mo. The youngest was born at home underwater

Webpage: Permanently under construction

Hobbies: Debunking western medicine, animals, research, diet,

nutrition, fitness, I'll try anything athletic or sporty,

hiking, reading....

BreastFeeding Status: Currently nursing two (tandem nursing).

Philosophies/Stories/Other:

Breast Is Best!! Attachment parenting, nonvaccinating, and homeschooling.

Also, I firmly believe in holistic/alternative/homeopathic medicine. I

believe in the body's ability to heal itself. My daughter and I practice

hands on healing on one another. Obviously, I believe that proper diet and

nutrition is

the cornerstone of a healthy, fulfilling life. <=== Which includes breastmilk

for babies Yada, yada, yada....you get the idea.

[Guest guest]

Hi, G, welcome!

I live in Florida, too. Right now I'm in Tallahassee for law school, but I'm

from Sarasota.

Glad to have you here!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

At 03:04 PM 2/6/99 EST, you wrote:

>From: MooMomTo2@...

> I have a lot

>of questions about treatment, and I am VERY interested in discussing this

with

>people who have direct experience (i.e. your children or yourself) in

handling

>the diseases outside " western " modalities.

Welcome to the list *G*

....coming from a young first time mama I have yet to deal with treating any

serious illness. Although I have researched herbal/homeopathic treatment

quite extensively. There are several books that I have found invaluable -

Homeopathy in Epedemic Diseases - Author: Dr. Dorothy Shepherd. In this

book she discusses the use of nosodes and other 'classical' remedies for

treatment (as well as prophylaxis- which is quite contraversial) of

diseases such as: measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, chicken pox, polio,

cholera, typhoid, typhus, scarlet fever, diptheria, so on....I found it

very informative for the lay reader as well as an 'expert'. Another

resource that has been invaluable is - Alternative Medicine: The difinitave

guide...this book covers all branches of holistic medicine (arometherapy,

yoga, homoepathy, herbal, juice therapy, nutritionalist - very well

rounded) I wish I could be of more help to you, but there are many here on

this list who will offer their guidance and wisdom.

Lana in Atlanta

mama of Cody Ukiah (8-15-97)

>In a message dated 2/4/99 10:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vaccinations-

>owneronelist writes:

>

><< Please ask any questions too, we are all here to learn about

> vaccinations and vaccine-related issues. >>

>

> Hello, I hope that all is well with all of you and your families.

>Over the last year, I have been collecting data about vaccinations and I have

>suspended all immunizations of my children. I am very comfortable with my

>decision, and now I am trying to learn how to best treat some of the

illnesses

>my child and I may come down with. I do not believe in " western " medicine,

>with some exceptions like emergency and cosmetic, and I am interested on how

>people have treated measles, mumps, etc. homeopathically or herbally.

> Herbal medicine is something I have a lot of experience with, and

>recently I have been using a lot of classical homeopathy as well, but I have

>no direct experience in treating measles, mumps, etc. etc. I do know of a

>bunch of different herbs and homeopathic treatments, but which ones have you

>actually used with success? Obviously, although the risk is very low, there

>are some severe complications associated with these " normal " childhood

>illnesses. For instance, how have people avoided subacute schlerosising

>panencephalitis? As a general rule, I DO NOT lower fevers in the ill--not

>allopathically, herbally, or homeopathically, but what about the long-term

>fever that can accompany measles? Do any of you lower fever after 48 hrs?

If

>so, do you think that it lengthened the duration of the disease? I have a

lot

>of questions about treatment, and I am VERY interested in discussing this

with

>people who have direct experience (i.e. your children or yourself) in

handling

>the diseases outside " western " modalities. Also, I myself am not vaccinated

>against MMR, have any of you fallen ill when your children have? Did you

>suffer from severe case of the disease?

> Well, I have SO many other questions, but I do not want to post a

>marathon letter. Thanks so much.

>BTW, my name is Getra but everyone calls me " G. " The following is m bio from

>my BF list.

>Name: Getra, everyone calls me " G "

>Screenname: MooMomTo2@...

>Address: South Florida

>Family/Children: Married with two beautiful daughters aged 3 and

> 10mo. The youngest was born at home underwater

>Webpage: Permanently under construction

>Hobbies: Debunking western medicine, animals, research, diet,

> nutrition, fitness, I'll try anything athletic or sporty,

> hiking, reading....

>BreastFeeding Status: Currently nursing two (tandem nursing).

>Philosophies/Stories/Other:

>Breast Is Best!! Attachment parenting, nonvaccinating, and homeschooling.

>Also, I firmly believe in holistic/alternative/homeopathic medicine. I

>believe in the body's ability to heal itself. My daughter and I practice

>hands on healing on one another. Obviously, I believe that proper diet and

>nutrition is

>the cornerstone of a healthy, fulfilling life. <=== Which includes breastmilk

>for babies Yada, yada, yada....you get the idea.

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Aloha G,

I am an R.N. on Maui working part-time in Labor and delivery and nursery

I used to be pro western medicine, but not so much anymore.

After having my first child after 15 years of infertility and teaching

others how to

breast feed when I had my own, I realized my baby never " read " the book!

I found out how little health pro's know about BF and found some new and

interestic research.

After vaccinating new borns with hep b and doining 100's of hours of

research,

I have learned to not take anything for granted that anyone says to

discover the truth

for myself.

While I was researching the vaccine issue I found some interesting

research done with

magnets and people that have post polio sysndrom. Polio cases in the

last 30 years in the US have come only from the vaccine.

The company that makes these products is from Japan where 1 in 8 people

use them

and Japan spends alot less in health care then us and is rated number 1

in health by the WHO. In contrast the US spends the most and is rated #

43

Japan spends the bulk of the money on prevention.

A very good friend of mine was involved in this company and we had been

in business in the past.

Anyway, in a few short months I have been totally convinced in the value

of these

products. They do not work wonders for everyone, but for many they do

and for prevention, I have no doubts in my mind. I am healthy but get

alot of colds.

Non yet since I started using them. My son has asthma and so far I have

used the products twice on him and he was fine and since he sleeps on

them now he has been great.

There are alot of people with autoimmune problems like MS

arthritis etc that this has been fantastic for.

I guess it impressed me because the results were often swift and

dramatic so I knew

it was because of the products, no guessing. It works very well with

animals too.

Most people want it for those dramatic results but they are really most

effective

for prevention.

Aloha

Marcy

PS I have not yet seen how it works with fever or if it does anything with fever

at all.

There are many theories on how it works but no one really knows

From: MooMomTo2@...

In a message dated 2/4/99 10:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Vaccinations-

owneronelist writes:

<< Please ask any questions too, we are all here to learn about

vaccinations and vaccine-related issues. >>

Hello, I hope that all is well with all of you and your

families.

Over the last year, I have been collecting data about vaccinations and I

have

suspended all immunizations of my children. I am very comfortable with

my

decision, and now I am trying to learn how to best treat some of the

illnesses

my child and I may come down with. I do not believe in " western "

medicine,

with some exceptions like emergency and cosmetic, and I am interested on

how

people have treated measles, mumps, etc. homeopathically or herbally.

Herbal medicine is something I have a lot of experience

with, and

recently I have been using a lot of classical homeopathy as well, but I

have

no direct experience in treating measles, mumps, etc. etc. I do know of

a

bunch of different herbs and homeopathic treatments, but which ones have

you

actually used with success? Obviously, although the risk is very low,

there

are some severe complications associated with these " normal " childhood

illnesses. For instance, how have people avoided subacute schlerosising

panencephalitis? As a general rule, I DO NOT lower fevers in the

ill--not

allopathically, herbally, or homeopathically, but what about the

long-term

fever that can accompany measles? Do any of you lower fever after 48

hrs? If

so, do you think that it lengthened the duration of the disease? I have

a lot

of questions about treatment, and I am VERY interested in discussing

this with

people who have direct experience (i.e. your children or yourself) in

handling

the diseases outside " western " modalities. Also, I myself am not

vaccinated

against MMR, have any of you fallen ill when your children have? Did

you

suffer from severe case of the disease?

Well, I have SO many other questions, but I do not want to

post a

marathon letter. Thanks so much.

BTW, my name is Getra but everyone calls me " G. " The following is m bio

from

my BF list.

Name: Getra, everyone calls me " G "

Screenname: MooMomTo2@...

Address: South Florida

Family/Children: Married with two beautiful daughters aged 3 and

10mo. The youngest was born at home underwater

Webpage: Permanently under construction

Hobbies: Debunking western medicine, animals, research, diet,

nutrition, fitness, I'll try anything athletic or

sporty,

hiking, reading....

BreastFeeding Status: Currently nursing two (tandem nursing).

Philosophies/Stories/Other:

Breast Is Best!! Attachment parenting, nonvaccinating, and

homeschooling.

Also, I firmly believe in holistic/alternative/homeopathic medicine. I

believe in the body's ability to heal itself. My daughter and I

practice

hands on healing on one another. Obviously, I believe that proper diet

and

nutrition is

the cornerstone of a healthy, fulfilling life. <=== Which includes

breastmilk

for babies Yada, yada, yada....you get the idea.

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[Guest guest]

hi G,

welcome to the list. i've been treating my children homeopathically,

herbally and with reiki healing, sara, 9 years for the past 5 years

and avi, 13 months, since he was born. with regard to your questions,

i can answer a couple: i've never had chicken pox, both sara had it

when she was 6 and avi had it a month ago, and i never contracted it.

plus my neighbor had shingles a week before avi got chicken pox, i

didn't get that either. i never had mumps, despite being sent to

anyone who had mumps when i was a child (and there were loads!).

with regard to your question on fever: if my child is really

uncomfortable while running a fever, i'll treat homeopathically. but

if he/she seems fine except for the fever, i will not do anything.

having said that, i have to admit that none of my children have ever

run a fever higher than about 100F. i'm not quite sure what i would do

if the fever runs higher than that, but i assume they would feel

uncomfortable then anyhow, so i would start treating with homeopathy.

hope this helps.

love and light

claudia

---MooMomTo2@... wrote:

>

> From: MooMomTo2@...

>

> In a message dated 2/4/99 10:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Vaccinations-

> owneronelist writes:

>

> << Please ask any questions too, we are all here to learn about

> vaccinations and vaccine-related issues. >>

>

> Hello, I hope that all is well with all of you and your

families.

> Over the last year, I have been collecting data about vaccinations

and I have

> suspended all immunizations of my children. I am very comfortable

with my

> decision, and now I am trying to learn how to best treat some of the

illnesses

> my child and I may come down with. I do not believe in " western "

medicine,

> with some exceptions like emergency and cosmetic, and I am

interested on how

> people have treated measles, mumps, etc. homeopathically or herbally.

> Herbal medicine is something I have a lot of experience

with, and

> recently I have been using a lot of classical homeopathy as well,

but I have

> no direct experience in treating measles, mumps, etc. etc. I do

know of a

> bunch of different herbs and homeopathic treatments, but which ones

have you

> actually used with success? Obviously, although the risk is very

low, there

> are some severe complications associated with these " normal " childhood

> illnesses. For instance, how have people avoided subacute

schlerosising

> panencephalitis? As a general rule, I DO NOT lower fevers in the

ill--not

> allopathically, herbally, or homeopathically, but what about the

long-term

> fever that can accompany measles? Do any of you lower fever after

48 hrs? If

> so, do you think that it lengthened the duration of the disease? I

have a lot

> of questions about treatment, and I am VERY interested in discussing

this with

> people who have direct experience (i.e. your children or yourself)

in handling

> the diseases outside " western " modalities. Also, I myself am not

vaccinated

> against MMR, have any of you fallen ill when your children have?

Did you

> suffer from severe case of the disease?

> Well, I have SO many other questions, but I do not want

to post a

> marathon letter. Thanks so much.

> BTW, my name is Getra but everyone calls me " G. " The following is m

bio from

> my BF list.

> Name: Getra, everyone calls me " G "

> Screenname: MooMomTo2@...

> Address: South Florida

> Family/Children: Married with two beautiful daughters aged 3 and

> 10mo. The youngest was born at home

underwater

> Webpage: Permanently under construction

> Hobbies: Debunking western medicine, animals, research, diet,

> nutrition, fitness, I'll try anything athletic or

sporty,

> hiking, reading....

> BreastFeeding Status: Currently nursing two (tandem nursing).

> Philosophies/Stories/Other:

> Breast Is Best!! Attachment parenting, nonvaccinating, and

homeschooling.

> Also, I firmly believe in holistic/alternative/homeopathic medicine.

I

> believe in the body's ability to heal itself. My daughter and I

practice

> hands on healing on one another. Obviously, I believe that proper

diet and

> nutrition is

> the cornerstone of a healthy, fulfilling life. <=== Which includes

breastmilk

> for babies Yada, yada, yada....you get the idea.

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have read 's letters and have appreciated her willingness to share and

encourage others (including myself). However I

have one serious reservation about her advice to use Reiki. I have done some

searches on this subject and have been

alarmed with what I have learned. Reiki is a spiritual healing that has

nothing to do with the Lord God Almighty of the Holy Bible. I

realize other people might be cautious about this and wish to research on their

own.

This list serv is an amazing source of information and I am grateful to be able

to learn from all of you.

Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

I would like to say:

When you do spiritual healing you ask for guidance from " your " power

source. This could be God, Jesus, , Buddha, Reiki master, etc.

I was raised Catholic but that isn't going to stop me from keeping an

open mind to any and all religions and beliefs...other than the medical

communities :-)

My son was injured by the DPT and/or MMR. He is a different boy today

from the alternative therapies I have tried. Keep an open mind while

you research. A good spiritual seminar to attend would be Barbara

Brennan. She has a web sight. The only other spiritual/healing touch

therapies I know of are Ro-hon (or is it hun?) and oh it escapes

me...therapeutic touch (?). There are so many.

Even if you don't believe in a " Higher Power " you can ask for guidance

from the universal energy field.

I don't know if this helps, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

whatever that is worth.

kim

Nicashay wrote:

>

> From: " Nicashay " <nicashay@...>

>

> Hi,

> I have read 's letters and have appreciated her willingness to share

and encourage others (including myself). However I

> have one serious reservation about her advice to use Reiki. I have done some

searches on this subject and have been

> alarmed with what I have learned. Reiki is a spiritual healing that has

nothing to do with the Lord God Almighty of the Holy Bible. I

> realize other people might be cautious about this and wish to research on

their own.

>

> This list serv is an amazing source of information and I am grateful to be

able to learn from all of you.

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

dear lisa,

i understand your reservations about reiki. BUT, i'm speaking from

experience! okay, you've done some research, now find some people who

have had personal experiences with reiki, then make up your mind. i've

always found reiki certainly works with minor ailments, and it sure

helps with serious problems, but then, that's my personal experience.

love and light

claudia

---Nicashay <nicashay@...> wrote:

>

> From: " Nicashay " <nicashay@...>

>

> Hi,

> I have read 's letters and have appreciated her willingness

to share and encourage others (including myself). However I

> have one serious reservation about her advice to use Reiki. I have

done some searches on this subject and have been

> alarmed with what I have learned. Reiki is a spiritual healing

that has nothing to do with the Lord God Almighty of the Holy Bible. I

> realize other people might be cautious about this and wish to

research on their own.

>

> This list serv is an amazing source of information and I am grateful

to be able to learn from all of you.

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hello Marcy. What are these products from Japan that you're talking about?

They sound very interesting.

Kate

At 02:11 PM 2/6/99 -1000, you wrote:

>From: Marcy <marcy@...>

>

>Aloha G,

>

>I am an R.N. on Maui working part-time in Labor and delivery and nursery

>

>I used to be pro western medicine, but not so much anymore.

>After having my first child after 15 years of infertility and teaching

>others how to

>breast feed when I had my own, I realized my baby never " read " the book!

>

>I found out how little health pro's know about BF and found some new and

>interestic research.

>After vaccinating new borns with hep b and doining 100's of hours of

>research,

>I have learned to not take anything for granted that anyone says to

>discover the truth

>for myself.

>While I was researching the vaccine issue I found some interesting

>research done with

>magnets and people that have post polio sysndrom. Polio cases in the

>last 30 years in the US have come only from the vaccine.

>The company that makes these products is from Japan where 1 in 8 people

>use them

>and Japan spends alot less in health care then us and is rated number 1

>in health by the WHO. In contrast the US spends the most and is rated #

>43

>Japan spends the bulk of the money on prevention.

>

>A very good friend of mine was involved in this company and we had been

>in business in the past.

>

>Anyway, in a few short months I have been totally convinced in the value

>of these

>products. They do not work wonders for everyone, but for many they do

>and for prevention, I have no doubts in my mind. I am healthy but get

>alot of colds.

>Non yet since I started using them. My son has asthma and so far I have

>used the products twice on him and he was fine and since he sleeps on

>them now he has been great.

>There are alot of people with autoimmune problems like MS

>arthritis etc that this has been fantastic for.

>I guess it impressed me because the results were often swift and

>dramatic so I knew

>it was because of the products, no guessing. It works very well with

>animals too.

>Most people want it for those dramatic results but they are really most

>effective

>for prevention.

>

>Aloha

>Marcy

>PS I have not yet seen how it works with fever or if it does anything with

fever

>at all.

>There are many theories on how it works but no one really knows

>

>From: MooMomTo2@...

>

>In a message dated 2/4/99 10:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>Vaccinations-

>owneronelist writes:

>

><< Please ask any questions too, we are all here to learn about

> vaccinations and vaccine-related issues. >>

>

> Hello, I hope that all is well with all of you and your

>families.

>Over the last year, I have been collecting data about vaccinations and I

>have

>suspended all immunizations of my children. I am very comfortable with

>my

>decision, and now I am trying to learn how to best treat some of the

>illnesses

>my child and I may come down with. I do not believe in " western "

>medicine,

>with some exceptions like emergency and cosmetic, and I am interested on

>how

>people have treated measles, mumps, etc. homeopathically or herbally.

> Herbal medicine is something I have a lot of experience

>with, and

>recently I have been using a lot of classical homeopathy as well, but I

>have

>no direct experience in treating measles, mumps, etc. etc. I do know of

>a

>bunch of different herbs and homeopathic treatments, but which ones have

>you

>actually used with success? Obviously, although the risk is very low,

>there

>are some severe complications associated with these " normal " childhood

>illnesses. For instance, how have people avoided subacute schlerosising

>

>panencephalitis? As a general rule, I DO NOT lower fevers in the

>ill--not

>allopathically, herbally, or homeopathically, but what about the

>long-term

>fever that can accompany measles? Do any of you lower fever after 48

>hrs? If

>so, do you think that it lengthened the duration of the disease? I have

>a lot

>of questions about treatment, and I am VERY interested in discussing

>this with

>people who have direct experience (i.e. your children or yourself) in

>handling

>the diseases outside " western " modalities. Also, I myself am not

>vaccinated

>against MMR, have any of you fallen ill when your children have? Did

>you

>suffer from severe case of the disease?

> Well, I have SO many other questions, but I do not want to

>post a

>marathon letter. Thanks so much.

>BTW, my name is Getra but everyone calls me " G. " The following is m bio

>from

>my BF list.

>Name: Getra, everyone calls me " G "

>Screenname: MooMomTo2@...

>Address: South Florida

>Family/Children: Married with two beautiful daughters aged 3 and

> 10mo. The youngest was born at home underwater

>

>Webpage: Permanently under construction

>Hobbies: Debunking western medicine, animals, research, diet,

> nutrition, fitness, I'll try anything athletic or

>sporty,

> hiking, reading....

>BreastFeeding Status: Currently nursing two (tandem nursing).

>Philosophies/Stories/Other:

>Breast Is Best!! Attachment parenting, nonvaccinating, and

>homeschooling.

>Also, I firmly believe in holistic/alternative/homeopathic medicine. I

>believe in the body's ability to heal itself. My daughter and I

>practice

>hands on healing on one another. Obviously, I believe that proper diet

>and

>nutrition is

>the cornerstone of a healthy, fulfilling life. <=== Which includes

>breastmilk

>for babies Yada, yada, yada....you get the idea.

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! My name is Sasha, and I have a six month old son Elliot. I have so

far decided not to vaccinate, but I know the pressure will be on me as time

goes by. My mother-in-law is a school nurse, and my mother is a registered

nurse. They already think I'm somewhat on the fringe: because I'm trying

not to eat dairy, didn't circumcise, am planning to breastfeed until my son

is ready to stop. They keep saying, " What about when he has to go to

school? " - I haven't even gone into telling them I may homeschool. I hope

to learn enough about vaccination to give them convincing reasons to accept

my decision. I just feel that there are too many questions about it to

just do it. I think it's healthy to let my son's body fight disease as it

was meant to do, rather than injecting him with a little bit of disease in

the hope that it will work to strenthen him.

[Guest guest]

Hi, my name is Belinda. I live in Pensacola, Florida with my dh, , and

three children. Dorothy is 8 and has had all shots but her boosters, is

4 1/2 and got to her four month shots. That is where we stopped, but more on

that later. Caleb is 18 mo old and has had one heel prick to check for PKU. He

had no eye drops, nothing just cut the cord and hand here. That was it.

Now, on to . We were the typical ignorant parents, trusting what the dr.

said as gospel. So, we take in for her shots at the 2 month step. She is

cranky but okay. So then the four month mark comes and we take her and get the

shots. About four hours after we get home, she is unconsolable, you can't

touch her and she is stiff as a board. Then she just stared into space and

shivered. She did that repeatedly. So we called the dr. and he said that there

was no way it was related to the shots, just give tylenol and she'll be fine.

This went on for days. Her fever had spiked and we were worried. So we get in

the dr's office and our regular ped. was there. She was wonderful. She said

that it was definetly a reaction and contacted the CDC. They did nothing, and

we were told to go to the health dept and fill out a AVEARS report.Well that

took two weeks because the health dept had NEVER filled one out before. After

that was filled out again, nothing was done.

So, our dr. calls us and we bring in for a checkup. She diagnoses

with myclonic jerks, due to the DTP shot. She said that she will always have

them but it has caused no learning or developmental problems. She now has

maybe two a month as in turn to the up to 20 a day in the beginning.

We did alot of reading and came across the book by Dr. Mendelsohn...it was a

life saver. I have crammed that book in so many dr's. faces. We have learned

enough to know that immunizing is dangerous to do. We have had our children

exempt from shots in Florida. They are allowed to go to school, with no

problems so far. Caleb is our only unaltered child and we hope to learn more

about the dangers of immunizing.

I look forward to hearing from yal, and do appreciate yal letting me ramble on

like this. I hope I haven't bored to many and made some sense to some.

@>-------------Belinda aka SEWHAT357 -----------<@

owner---- mommy's milk and me @onelist.com

<A HREF= " http://members.delphi.com/BELINDALALAS/index.html " >BABYSLINGS by

BELINDA</A> and <A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/7345/ " >

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hollow/7345/index</A>

Certified Breastfeeding Counselor and mommy to Dorothy 8, 4 1/2, and

Caleb 18mo.old. Wife to for 10 years.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/99 9:03:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, SEWHAT357@...

writes:

<< Hi, my name is Belinda. I live in Pensacola, Florida with my dh, , and

three children. >>

Hi, Belinda...welcome to the list! I live in Tallahassee! So glad to know

another Floridian. Hope you enjoy this list...lots of great info and support.

Maggie, mom to Danny (9yo), Devin (7yo), and Dylan (9/26/98)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/99 9:07:52 PM Central Standard Time,

Minilawyer@... writes:

<<

Hi, Belinda...welcome to the list! I live in Tallahassee! So glad to know

another Floridian. Hope you enjoy this list...lots of great info and

support.

Maggie, mom to Danny (9yo), Devin (7yo), and Dylan (9/26/98)

>>

thanks for the welcome... Tallahasse ain't that far away!!! Nice to know

someone that close to me. I am really looking forward to learning alot about

this subject. The dh is kind of leaning toward wanting to vaccinate and i am

fighting him all the way.

@>-------------Belinda aka SEWHAT357 -----------<@

owner---- mommy's milk and me @onelist.com

<A HREF= " http://members.delphi.com/BELINDALALAS/index.html " >BABYSLINGS by

BELINDA</A> and <A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/7345/ " >

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hollow/7345/index</A>

Certified Breastfeeding Counselor and mommy to Dorothy 8, 4 1/2, and

Caleb 18mo.old. Wife to for 10 years.

[Guest guest]

> My name is i'm 24, and I have a 13 month old daughter . We live in

> Folsom, CA with my fiance Rob. I am always looking for moms " of like mind " to

talk

> or to e-mail as we are the only people in our group to have a child who is

not

> vaccinated and who was also born at home (talk about feeling like you have

horns

> or two-heads, lol) We decided not to vaccinate because of our feelings about

the

> medical establishment and want to raise our child to be aware that the body

can

> heal itself when given what it wants. Also during my pregnancy I found a

wonderful

> chiropractor who also supports this belief and her two children are not

> vaccinated. She gave me a few articles to read and share with my family.

> I enjoy camping and the outdoors and crafts. I am a stay at home mom. I am

also a

> massage

> therapist and am also trained in some other natural therapies (ear candling -

> muscle repsonse testing, nutrition & herbs, etc.)

> I guess that kinda wraps it up.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for adding me to the vaccination list, I

appreciate continuing to gain knowledge on this very

controversial issue.

Introduction:

My name is Sherri and I gave birth to my first child,

Orion, a whopping 8 lb 7 oz baby boy, in the safety

of my own home in July, 98. I chose the midwife route

as I was totally unimpressed with the " medicalized "

approach to child birth. The Dr. I saw only one was

aloof, rushed and obviously couldn't care a less about

myself or my unborn child. I researched and found a

wonderful, well educated, experienced midwife. She

will be a good friend of mine forever. I delivered my

son in a labor pool after 7 1/2 hours of labor and was

totally, 100% satisfied and happy with my whole process.

When the vaccination issue came up I went to see a

pediatrician when Orion was about 2 1/2 months old

to establish a relationship with a physician, " in case "

I ever needed one for him. I liked the Dr. well enough

and asked him about his stance on vaccinations and he,

of course, was sure they were totally beneficial. When

I inquired about the immunization " schedule " and why

I couldn't wait until my son was at least 1 year old to

begin he replied that the schedule was in place to administer

vaccinations precisely when children were most

susceptible to that particular disease. (Red flag #1) He

said that they (meaning the AMA) had done considerable

research to substantiate this " schedule " . (Red flag #2).

I said that I would not chose to administer anything on

that day and that I would call and schedule another appointment,

something I knew I wouldn't follow up on. I had already

done extensive research into the vaccination issue and was

curious to hear what a Dr. had to say. I wasn't impressed,

I wasn't told anything of any potential side effects, risks or

other issues to be concerned about when injecting my baby

with a foreign substance. Given my " paranoia " of " traditional

medicine " I discontinued any " well baby checks " ... as I knew

my baby was perfectly well and that I didn't need a Dr. to

ensure me of that fact. I decided I would not have my son

vaccinated to any degree but rather pursued a homeopathic

approach. I am currently giving my son his homeopathic

administration and feel confident he will skate through

childhood without a hitch. He is growing very well, has

not had even one real cold, or flu, ear infection, etc. He

is very bright, alert and happy.

I guess for me not vaccinating has been a natural progression

of a midwife approach to prenatal visits, a home birth, non-

circumcision and treating him holistically.

My heart literally breaks when I hear of other parent's

disastrous bouts with the medical profession. It infuriates

me that there are not stricter laws and guidelines for

administering and injecting our children with toxins

that are killing, disabling and otherwise damaging our

most innocent populace.

I'm thankful for the www for the ability to share knowledge

and information and I appreciate being added to this

important distribution list.

Sherri

Vaccinations-owneronelist wrote:

> Hello,

>

> Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.

>

> All mail for this group is sent to: Vaccinationsonelist

>

> If you have questions that you would like me to answer personally please send

> mail to Mom2Q@....

>

> Once you have received this note please take the time and post an introduction

> to the group. We would be happy to hear about your vaccination experiences.

> Also why you have

> chosen not to vaccinate. Please ask any questions too, we are all here to

learn

> about

> vaccinations and vaccine-related issues.

>

> I as the list owner have made a very educated decision not to vaccinate and my

> daughter and all future children. I hope you enjoy this list and learn lots

> about vaccinations.

>

> Please also take the time and view the archived posts from this list. There

is

> lots of information in our previous posts.

> You can view these messages at:

> /archives.cgi/Vaccinations

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shalom ,

Coming back to you after the most positive news.

Beware of generalisation.

I spoke to a friend's friend that happened to have given birth home about two

months

ago (they are based in Safed).

First, no vaccination is compulsory. They of course try to convince you but when

you

say NO, that's it.

Second, the homeopathy has tremendously developed over the past five years, you

find

as many practitioners as pharmacies (drug shops ?)

As far as natural birthing is concerned, it's not illegal but they of course

don't

push. She did it with a private midwife ...

See ? So if you did change your plans about moving to Israel, please review

them, I

would be most happy to welcome you (hihi)

Love and light

Dominique

Ayaz a écrit :

> From: Ayaz <claudiaayaz@...>

>

> shalom dominique,

> please, before you leave belgium, send us those homeopathic ob's and

> pediatricians, there is an acute shortage of that type in the usa!!!

> with regard to israel, i'm not sure about the legal situation on

> vaccines, but do prepared for a fight. and being pregnant over there

> is no fun, they impose just about every test in existence on the

> foetus... this was the situation less than two years ago, and i doubt

> it has changed. a friend of mine, 25 years old, with absolutely no

> history in her family of diseases, had to go through virtually every

> test there is, including the one to check for down's syndrome (sorry,

> forgotten the medical term for it). at such a young age? that really

> put me off moving there. until then, i was seriously considering it.

> instead, my son avi was born in california, so i only have to fight

> the school system to 'safe' my daughter sara from being vaccinated...

> i am pretty sure, though, that there are loopholes in the israeli

> system, so find out as much as you can before you get pregnant over

> there...

> love and light

> claudia

>

> ---Dominique LEMAIRE <DLemaire.ELF.UE@...> wrote:

> >

> > From: Dominique LEMAIRE <DLemaire.ELF.UE@...>

> >

> > > Hello everyone and thanks to for welcoming me on the list.

> >

> > As she so kindly asks I'll try to make a short summary of

> introduction and

> > presentation.

> >

> > First I understand that the great majority on this list are based in

> the States

> > (maybe I am wrong and I really hope so).

> > I am based in Belgium (Europe) and am the mother of a lovely months

> old boy.

> >

> > I've been healing myself for about years with homeopathy and lately

> work much more

> > with aromatherapy and very much with flower essences.

> >

> > My whole pregnancy has been followed by a homeopathic gyneacologist

> and is

> > being followed by a homeopathic pediatrician.

> >

> > When it came to vaccines, that is to say he was (still is but in

> another one) in a

> > daycare center (well center is a big word as this lady only kept

> three babies),

> > this center is supervised (as the great majority) by a national

> entity called ONE

> > (Office National de l'Enfance-Children Health Care) The law in

> Belgium only imposes

> > polio vaccination. This ONE though imposes nearly the whole serie of

> vaccinations

> > with a planning they " suggest " .

> >

> > As I am dealing with the homeopathic philosophy, psychosomatic side

> of diseases, I

> > am thus very much more concerned about the psychological aspect of

> myself first,

> > and of course my child ( at his age he is of course very much

> dependent on my

> > emotional state - even though he already has his own way of dealing

> with things).

> > This philosophy brought me to the belief that every disease being

> caused by a

> > emotional state - thus bringing the body into a state of openness to

> any illness -

> > on the other hand, starting to really take the responsibility for my

> life and all

> > that happens to us as being the result of our creation, I started

> wondering about

> > " why vaccine? " . Why another " umbrella " ?

> >

> > Then being pushed by this ONE (if you don't want to vaccine, we

> don't accept your

> > child anymore in a daycare center - you should find someone else ...

> - nice

> > blackmail), my lovely mother took me to a conference of an

> incredible doctor that

> > yes gives the vaccination but homeopatically. Woaw, that was exactly

> what I needed

> > !!! So my little has indeed been vaccined for polio and

> tetanos but in

> > what I consider a proper way that is to say giving his cells the

> information about

> > the disease, not the disease itself - dead or alive, who cares ?

> (get the

> > difference ???).

> >

> > Now I have this wonderful doctor and feel is safe.

> >

> > To the list, I will be moving to Israel at the end of the year, will

> have one or

> > two more babies there, can anyone enlighten me on the situation over

> there ? I

> > heard they are not yet very strong on homeopathy, and what about the

> vaccine

> > legislation ?

> >

> > Thanks for any answer or tip where I could get the information.

> >

> > And I am very happy to be on this list and realize a tremendous

> amount of people

> > deal this same point of view (whichever background) the aim is the

> same, thanks

> > God.

> >

> > Dominique

> >

> >

> >

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

shalom, dominique

well, that is sure good news!!! indeed it looks like it's easier there

to find natural alternatives than over here, lol.

do keep me updated, and as soon as i find out something, i'll let you

know.

love and light

claudia

---Dominique LEMAIRE <DLemaire.ELF.UE@...> wrote:

>

> From: Dominique LEMAIRE <DLemaire.ELF.UE@...>

>

> Shalom ,

>

> Coming back to you after the most positive news.

>

> Beware of generalisation.

>

> I spoke to a friend's friend that happened to have given birth home

about two months

> ago (they are based in Safed).

> First, no vaccination is compulsory. They of course try to convince

you but when you

> say NO, that's it.

> Second, the homeopathy has tremendously developed over the past five

years, you find

> as many practitioners as pharmacies (drug shops ?)

> As far as natural birthing is concerned, it's not illegal but they

of course don't

> push. She did it with a private midwife ...

>

> See ? So if you did change your plans about moving to Israel, please

review them, I

> would be most happy to welcome you (hihi)

>

> Love and light

>

> Dominique

>

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>Once you have received this note please take the time and post an

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>to the group. We would be happy to hear about your vaccination

experiences.

>Also why you have

>chosen not to vaccinate. Please ask any questions too, we are all here to

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>vaccinations and vaccine-related issues.

Hi, my name is . I am the SAHM of two boys, ages 6 and 3. I did

vaccinate my oldest, (at 2, 4, 6, 12 months, 2 years) because I was

uninformed. He did not receive the Pertussis vaccine (DPT), just a DT, at 2

months, though, because I had heard that it was what causes the most

reactions. At 4 months, however, I did not have insurance and I went to a

public clinic to get his immunizations. They said he had to have the DPT,

as I didn't have a doctor's release for the other. I was alone and young,

so I gave in. That night, he had a reaction. For almost two days he ran a

high temperature, his leg swelled, and he screamed almost non-stop (would

drift off to sleep for 15 minutes, then start screaming and crying again).

My DH said we would never give him that Pertussis again.

When I got pregnant with my second child, we decided we had had enough

intervention from the medical establishment, so we chose a homebirth with a

Nurse Midwife. It was the best experience of my life. We also chose not to

vaccinate our second child at all. At that point we also quit giving

vaccinations to our oldest. Due to the reaction that my oldest son had, we

have a letter exempting him from all future vaccinations, and this allows

him to get into school. However, I will begin homeschooling him this fall,

due to some learning problems he has (which I believe are related to the

vaccinations he had as a child).

I look forward to learning more, and meeting more of you here!