Potty training

June 28, 2002

My 7 year old son has had lots of problems with getting constipated.

First, we give him apricot nectar to drink. It is a natural

laxative like prune juice, but better tasting.

I made my son sit on the potty every night before bed. I read to

him while he sat. (I still keep track of all of this and make him

go every day.)

If he was really constipated, then I would get a little potty that

you use for potty training. I would have my son sit on it in front

of the TV.

If all of that failed, then we would do an enema. (Yuck!!!) After

he would get cleared, I just made sure to increase the apricot

nectar, fruits, etc, and I made sure about the daily pooping.

Good luck!!

--- In @y..., " DMon98 " <dmharrison98@y...>

wrote:

> I know, the last thing in the world anyone wants to discuss! I am

at

> my wits end. I really wasn't concerned about potty training b/c

with

> a non-verbal child it was the least of my worries and he showed

ZERO

> interest.

June 29, 2002

-OH ,

Toiliting is such a pain in the rear (no pun intended LOL!!) But

since you mentioned that pees standing up, have you tried

doing the small potty again, or maybe he is afraid of that to I don't

know, I do know that the big potty is scarry to some kids and it is

hard to relax to get it out. it is like when kids who are afraid of

the drain in the tub!

When He does go does he go in his pants! or is it a constipation

problem? My neice has constipation issues and her my sister every

morning gives her prune juice, she actually loves it and goes

regularly now.

I really don't have any other suggestions other than using the small

potty, sometimes Jack even though uses the big potty wants to use the

small one. Just a suggestion hope this helps.

Eileen

-- In @y..., " DMon98 " <dmharrison98@y...>

wrote:

> I know, the last thing in the world anyone wants to discuss! I am

at

> my wits end. I really wasn't concerned about potty training b/c

with

> a non-verbal child it was the least of my worries and he showed

ZERO

> interest.

November 16, 2002

Is your child really into videos or video games? the only thing that worked

for my hyper autistic child was to sit him on his potty, which I had placed

on top of an old shower curtain,in the den, in front of the nintendo. THen

I let him do a nintendo marathon (he thought this was great). Eventually he

couldn't hold it anymore, and went in the potty. After doing this several

days, we broke through his resistance and were successful

Kate

November 17, 2002

Res Dev Disabil 2002 Sep-Oct;23(5):319-31

Investigation of a reinforcement-based toilet training procedure for children

with autism.

Cicero FR, Pfadt A.

Eden II Programs, 150 Granite Avenue, 10303, Staten Island, NY, USA

Independent toileting is an important developmental skill which individuals

with developmental disabilities often find a challenge to master. Effective

toilet training interventions have been designed which rely on a combination of

basic operant principles of positive reinforcement and punishment. In the

present study, the effectiveness of a reinforcement-based toilet training

intervention was investigated with three children with a diagnosis of autism.

Procedures included a combination of positive reinforcement, graduated guidance,

scheduled practice trials and forward prompting. Results indicated that all

procedures were implemented in response to urination accidents. A three

participants reduced urination accidents to zero and learned to spontaneously

request use of the bathroom within 7-11 days of training. Gains were maintained

over 6-month and 1-year follow-ups. Findings suggest that the proposed procedure

is an effective and rapid method of toilet training, which can be implemented

within a structured school setting with generalization to the home environment.

PMID: 12401483 [PubMed - in process]

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J Behav Ther Exp Psychiatry 1994 Jun;25(2):155-60

A stimulus control technique for improving the efficacy of an established

toilet training program.

S, Cipani E, Clardy A.

Standard toilet training regimens used with children with developmental

disabilities have demonstrated effectiveness at achieving bladder and bowel

continence. However, in some clinical applications in everyday practice, success

has not been achieved, necessitating research into possible modifications of the

current approaches. A widely used toilet training program was modified to reduce

toileting accidents of a referred child. The modification involved the

assessment of the discriminative stimulus for eliminating, namely, his

undergarments. By removing the undergarments when an elimination became

imminent, an " errorless " learning paradigm was established that allowed for more

rapid and enduring acquisition of toileting skills than seen in previous

training attempts. The results indicate the present procedure could expedite

training for individuals who are difficult to teach appropriate toileting skills

through an analysis of the controlling antecedent stimulus for accidents and

subsequent manipulation of such stimuli.

PMID: 7983227 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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J Autism Dev Disord 1992 Jun;22(2):265-75

Toilet training and behaviors of people with autism: parent views.

Dalrymple NJ, Ruble LA.

Institute for the Study of Development Disabilities, Indiana University.

Individuals with autism often present with toileting problems, yet there is

little information about the nature of these problems. This investigation

surveyed 100 parents of people with autism of a mean age of 19.5 years. Results

indicated that lower cognition and lower verbal levels were significantly

correlated with age of accomplishment of bowel and urine training; some subjects

were not trained at the time of the study. The average duration of urine

training was 1.6 years, bowel training 2.1 years. On the average, training

started more than 2 1/2 years before the average age of diagnosis of autism.

Fifty-six percent of the sample had to be taught to self-initiate, 42% were

taught to ask to use the toilet, and 49% were taught using a schedule.

Reinforcement was used by 78% of the parents of males and by 100% of the parents

of females. Punishment, primarily scolding was used by 37% of the parents. The

most common problems reported were urinating in places other than the toilet,

constipation, stuffing up toilets, continually flushing, or smearing feces. More

fears related to toileting were noted for verbal subjects.

PMID: 1624408 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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J Autism Child Schizophr 1977 Jun;7(2):151-63

Training autistic children to urinate in the toilet through operant

conditioning techniques.

Ando H.

The purpose of this study was to evaluate the use of operant conditioning

techniques to toilet train children in an autism ward of a hospital for

developmentally disturbed children. Five profoundly retarded males with clear

clinical manifestations of autism were selected as subjects. Records of the

urination behavior of these subjects were kept during a baseline period and

throughout the application of procedures. Appropriate urination behavior was

immediately followed by positive reinforcers, such as candy, verbal praise, and

physical affection. Inappropriate urination behavior was immediately followed by

negative reinforces, verbal as well as physical. The results of this study show

that operant conditioning techniques can be used to change the urination

behavior of profoundly retarded autistic children even where other methods have

failed. Factors requiring further investigation for their possible impact on the

effectiveness of these procedures in toilet training autistic children are also

discussed.

PMID: 68952 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Re: potty training

Is your child really into videos or video games? the only thing that worked

for my hyper autistic child was to sit him on his potty, which I had placed

on top of an old shower curtain,in the den, in front of the nintendo. THen

I let him do a nintendo marathon (he thought this was great). Eventually he

couldn't hold it anymore, and went in the potty. After doing this several

days, we broke through his resistance and were successful

Kate

May 13, 2003

I just recently poopie trained my almost 4 year old son who had been pee

trained for at about a year already. He has been diagnosed with apraxia and

hypotonia I assume you have your son in pull ups for doing poopie. As long

as my son was in them at night, he would hold his poop until then, or ask me

for one when he had to go. When he saw that I was giving him the last pull

up he would always ask me to buy more. This time he did not. I also must

mention that if I did not reply to his request for putting on a pull up, he

would put it on himself, put on his sweats back on then call me to change

him! I figured he was ready for training, but very stubborn. Anyway, I did

not give him a pull up and he did not ask me for one after he saw the pack

depleted. He pooped on the potty right away. Then........ almost 6 days went

by before I saw poop again. Ped suggested I give him an enema cause too many

days had gone by. Boys don't know how to " sit " on the potty. The enema

forced my son to sit when it kicked in after about 15 minutes. After that,

he was trained. Now I would not call that a customary way or even a normal

way to poopie train a child but it worked for me! P.S. when the ped told me

to give him an enema, she also told me I was putting to much pressure on him

that he was too young. Ha! He has not had an accident and has been trained

for several months now.

I also wanted to mention that my son had been off fish oil for a portion of

the winter as he was noticing something in his drink and refused to drink it.

I started up again about 2 weeks ago, what a surge! Definately noticable!!

He speaks in sentences. Much of what he says is intellible, some of it is

not. People who know his speech pattern have an easier time. He has some

major final consonent deletion issues, f and s are nonexistent among other

things. But, he is making definate progress for a child who in february 2002

who was bascially non-verbal.

I would recommend the fish oil.

HTH,

Randi

Satinrockr@...

mom to Tyler 9/5/95

and Dylan 7/4/99 apraxia, hypotonia

May 14, 2003

In a message dated 5/13/03 4:33:31 PM, nfuchs1@... writes:

<< I never gave her suppositories. I just moved at her pace and kept up

the suggestions etc. >>

I think this is good and loving advice, particularly for kids with no

complicating issues, but also in general. Sometimes, though, with kids who

have developmental challenges, you might need to use some behavioral

modification. I think we all would agree that a lot of times these potty

training issues are worse on the parents and if we, the adults, could stop

worrying, many of the problems would go away. On the other hand, having a

child with cognitive challenges, sensory issues, apraxia, and hypotonia, I

think it's okay to sometimes resort to " tricks " like rewards, suppositories,

or whatever it takes, as long as it's all done with love. Sue C. in Michigan

August 9, 2003

My son's condition wasn't caused by meds, but he's never had a good

sense of his bladder fullness... even now at 13, he gets less than a

minute's 'warning' before he has to go NOW. In order to potty train, we

had to do a few things.

First, we had to drum up enthusiasm about potty training as a project,

and to really reward him in a huge way for peeing in the toilet; at that

time that involved me writing and illustrating his own book that showed

him how wonderful it would be when he went potty in the toilet,

including an illustrations of him enjoying his 'reward' (which was

M & M's... that caused some other temporary behavioral issues, but it was

worth it - for him it was a *powerful* reward, that's the important

thing).

Another was to leave his pants/diapers off completely for a day or two

so that he could really feel the pee coming out right at the moment it

happened (we stayed on wood and tiled floors for that process).

Diapers/pull-ups made too great a delay between the 'release' and his

being able to feel that he had peed. At first we rewarded him if he

could get to the toilet at any point during the peeing process and get

some pee in the bowl. Later on the reward was for peeing in the toilet

without 'leaking' first. The trick is to gradually 'move out' the

reward, so that after he's managed one 'step' a few times he has to do a

bit more in order to get the reward.

Another was to train him to go without using 'having to go' as a

prompt... basically training him to go to the bathroom to pee at regular

intervals as a preventative measure. The important thing is to make

sure that when he 'fails' you are cheerful and encouraging, and when he

'succeeds' to really party it up big-time. It's got to be an entirely

positive experience for him.

And don't expect perfection... being kids, they are going to forget to

do preventative peeing when they get really involved in playing or

whatever (and will 'remember' every five minutes when they are

bored...), and accidents will happen; they'll happen less often with

practice and experience, but they'll happen, and he'll need to be

supported about that, as it will seem like a failure and a humiliation

to him, especially as he gets older. Be positive, point out all

improvements as proof tht they will continue to get better and better at

preventing accidents, and then get on with life...

If you have any questions about what we did specifically, feel free to

post me offlist...

Deb wrote:

>My main problem now

>with risperdal is the fact my son can't " feel " his bladder...i.e.

>when he has to " go...which is making potty training at 6 years old a

>real drag! Anyone else had this problem? Does it go away with time?

>

January 2, 2004

He might be too young - most autistic kids potty train later than our

" regular " kids. My daughter was five and potty trained in about two weeks - now

at

age 8 she's only had 2 accidents in the last 3 years. I would suggest not

rushing it and maybe waiting until gains some maturity - he probably could care

less

about using the potty at this point.

>

> Hi,

>

> This is a request for advice from those who have alrady gone thru

> potty training an autistic child. My son is 3 1/2 years old. I have

> been potty training him intensively for two weeks now but he still

> does not self-initiate or hold it until I take him every 40 minutes.

> He does not mind being wet at all. Do you have any suggestions/tips?

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Amal

>

January 2, 2004

We potty trained ABA style...I put it off because it seemed like it would be

a pain but I'm glad we did it ABA style...my son picked it up in a couple

weeks. It was called a " tripping program " taking him on potty trips every 10

mins. to start then upping the time. We would tell him to say " I want potty "

then we'd bring him in and he would sit on potty for 2 mins and we would praise

him for sitting. Also he wore no underwear or pants during this time (unless

we went out) (:

It was a bit tideous at first but I was suprised how effective it

was...When he did go in the potty we quickly gave him a very special treat and

if he

sad " I want potty " without being told he got an even bigger treat. He is now

completely potty trained and no longer can tolerate being wet...my son use to

not seem to care or notice when he was wet...but as soon as we lost the

diapers he noticed and did not like it. Good luck to you! It will happen!

Sharon

January 2, 2004

Hello Amal, We used a old water bottle to show my son what he was

to do when he would go into the bathroom and the noise of squirting

water into the toilet from his hip area helped to get the job done.

My 2 cents Ann

January 2, 2004

Maybe he is not ready - my NT son and my ASD son both were about 4 before they

were potty trained.

[ ] Potty Training

Hi,

This is a request for advice from those who have alrady gone thru

potty training an autistic child. My son is 3 1/2 years old. I have

been potty training him intensively for two weeks now but he still

does not self-initiate or hold it until I take him every 40 minutes.

He does not mind being wet at all. Do you have any suggestions/tips?

Thanks in advance,

Amal

=======================================================

January 3, 2004

> Hi,

>

> This is a request for advice from those who have alrady gone thru

> potty training an autistic child. My son is 3 1/2 years old. I have

> been potty training him intensively for two weeks now but he still

> does not self-initiate or hold it until I take him every 40 minutes.

> He does not mind being wet at all. Do you have any suggestions/tips?

My NT kids did not potty train until age 4. My " spectrum " kids were approx age

6.

You can try the ideas from my local support group leader if you want

http://www.tacanow.com/PTinfo.htm

Otherwise you might stop trying for a while, maybe he is not ready.

Dana

May 6, 2004

Everyone sounds like they are doing a great job with the potty training. I

wish I could say the same. My daughter is 6 and when we go into the bathroom

the first thing she does is put the lid to the toilet down just in case we want

to try sitting on the potty. I have tried EVERYTHING. I have tried making it

fun, having her sit on a closed seat or a potty seat in another room such as

while watching tv, giving her candies, etc. She does not want to sit on that

toilet seat or any seat, even the soft ones.

any ideas?

May 6, 2004

My daughter is 30 months and was fascinated when her big brother (4)

started potty training. I didn't think there was any way she would be

ready for the actual training herself given her verbal apraxia and not

really being able to determine how much she understands, etc. But she's

about 1/2-way done with potty training now, all initiated by her!!!

She's actually obsessed with the potty and would go all the time if we

made it possible for her to get into the bathroom on her own...lol!!!

One hour, when I thought it would be good to give her all the access she

really wanted, she went to the bathroom, I kid you NOT, 22 times!!! She

didn't pee all those times obviously!!! So luckily I could reuse most

of the pull-ups she went through! But that was the last time we gave

her that kind of potty access!!! hahahaha!!! But she's doing very well.

Basically what I'm saying is depending on the sort of apraxia your

daughter is dealing with (my kids both are dealing pretty much just with

verbal/oral) she could well begin the process. But if she's not

interested in it right now definitely don't push it too hard.

just my $0.02!

May 7, 2004

,

So funny about the 22 visits to the potty. My son had the same

obsession about 3 months ago. He would constantly go 'sit' (his

sitting was more of a backwards squat) on the toilet... flushing

each time.

He lost interest when I started taking some control. Now I am

trying to get him back on track. Pull-ups are so expensive but Ian

refuses diapers.

Pam

> My daughter is 30 months and was fascinated when her big brother

(4)

> started potty training. I didn't think there was any way she

would be

> ready for the actual training herself given her verbal apraxia and

not

> really being able to determine how much she understands, etc. But

she's

> about 1/2-way done with potty training now, all initiated by her!!!

> She's actually obsessed with the potty and would go all the time

if we

> made it possible for her to get into the bathroom on her

own...lol!!!

> One hour, when I thought it would be good to give her all the

access she

> really wanted, she went to the bathroom, I kid you NOT, 22

times!!! She

> didn't pee all those times obviously!!! So luckily I could reuse

most

> of the pull-ups she went through! But that was the last time we

gave

> her that kind of potty access!!! hahahaha!!! But she's doing very

well.

>

> Basically what I'm saying is depending on the sort of apraxia your

> daughter is dealing with (my kids both are dealing pretty much

just with

> verbal/oral) she could well begin the process. But if she's not

> interested in it right now definitely don't push it too hard.

>

> just my $0.02!

>

May 7, 2004

Hi Pam,

Oh I'm so glad Meg's not the only one!!! lol!!! She wipes & flushes

each time as well. Yes, Pull-ups are awfully expensive. She's actually

doing so well now that we're considering putting her in training panties

during the day when we're at home and only have her in Pull-ups at night

and when we go out. Now, who knows how well this will work, but it's

kind of the plan right now :-)

May 7, 2004

> Hopefully not a silly question, but being as apraxia is a motor

> planning disorder, does this effect potty training?

> My daughter was very interested in her potty & watching Once Upon

A

> Potty video, loved it, sat on her potty etc...I really thought she

> was showing signs of being ready. She never actually used it

though.

> For the past month or so, she doesn't want the video & has no

> interest int he potty, other than to jump up & down on the cover &

> use it as a place to jump down from.

> I know this could be normal 27 month old behavior, just checking.

> She is only 27 months. Should I expect potty training to be

delayed?

>

> thanks

>

Hi ,

We are still in the training process with my 31/2 year old son

who is apraxic. It has been a nightmare! I wanted to ask you where

do you get this Once upon a potty video? Who makes it? Did you

find it helpful? Good luck and thanks,

Robin

May 7, 2004

hi susan,

from a veteran, I don't know if you want to call it delayed. I asked my doc

when my son was 3 does he need to be potty trained now, he said no majority of

kids are potty trained by 4 4 1/2. I started potty training P at 3 1/2, he is 4

yrs 2mos and finally potty trained. Meaning no accidents. I read on a website

that it can take 6-8 months for a child to be fully potty trained. It helped me

feel better. I had times that I cried and begged why. at the beginning he had

stits when he would not go in his pants then he would have accidents all day

long. I still have pull up at night but none during the day since 2 weeks into

his potty training. he up to now telling no pp in (showing me his pants or pool

or bathtub) woohoo I guess my lecturing did not go into one ear out the other.

Just tonight he was drinking the bath tub water and I bath him and his 15 mos

old sister together, and I said don't drink the water E may have pped in the

water, well he he had horrified face and

kicked the water, a little sick humor but it was funny.

it'll come just be patient and have a sense of humor

chris

susan3959 <susan3959@...> wrote:

Hopefully not a silly question, but being as apraxia is a motor

planning disorder, does this effect potty training?

My daughter was very interested in her potty & watching Once Upon A

Potty video, loved it, sat on her potty etc...I really thought she

was showing signs of being ready. She never actually used it though.

For the past month or so, she doesn't want the video & has no

interest int he potty, other than to jump up & down on the cover &

use it as a place to jump down from.

I know this could be normal 27 month old behavior, just checking.

She is only 27 months. Should I expect potty training to be delayed?

thanks

May 7, 2004

Robin,

You can order it from amazon. I have seen it at babies r us too.

there is also book & they have seperate ones for boys & girls.

It's by Alana el & def. worth buying although I can't commit to

how helpful it is - but she likes it.

> Hi ,

> We are still in the training process with my 31/2 year old son

> who is apraxic. It has been a nightmare! I wanted to ask you

where

> do you get this Once upon a potty video? Who makes it? Did you

> find it helpful? Good luck and thanks,

> Robin

May 7, 2004

Hi

Thanks for sharing your experience, it makes me feel better. I know

it is totally the wrong thing to do, especially in light of Callie's

many issues, but sometimes I can't help but do some comparing with

other kids her age. i adopted Callie 15 months ago & keep in touch

with most of the other familes in our traval group. The girls are all

about the saem age, w/in a few montrhs of eacch other & 2 of the 9

are well on their way, so of course it leads me to question. You know

the drill.

Anyway, congrats for you, that's great.

> hi susan,

> from a veteran, I don't know if you want to call it delayed. I

asked my doc when my son was 3 does he need to be potty trained now,

he said no majority of kids are potty trained by 4 4 1/2. I started

potty training P at 3 1/2, he is 4 yrs 2mos and finally potty

trained. Meaning no accidents. I read on a website that it can take

6-8 months for a child to be fully potty trained. It helped me feel

better. I had times that I cried and begged why.

May 8, 2004

susan3959 wrote:

> Hopefully not a silly question, but being as apraxia is a motor

> planning disorder, does this effect potty training?

> My daughter was very interested in her potty & watching Once Upon A

> Potty video, loved it, sat on her potty etc...I really thought she

> was showing signs of being ready. She never actually used it though.

> For the past month or so, she doesn't want the video & has no

> interest int he potty, other than to jump up & down on the cover &

> use it as a place to jump down from.

> I know this could be normal 27 month old behavior, just checking.

> She is only 27 months. Should I expect potty training to be delayed?

>

My son was about this age when he went from being really into it to not

at all almost over night. We decided to bite the bullet and just go

cold turkey no diapers before he got really dead set against it. We did

the naked on the bottom approach which really helped him to get what

that feeling was (basically by wetting on himself a number of times).

It took pretty much 5 whole days of mostly staying home but he totally

got it before it was an emotional issue at all. In terms of motor

planning he is pretty significantly affected (gets private and school PT

and OT)and also has very low tone. Having lots of little potties around

that we scattered around the house really helped because at first he

could only make it a few feet once he recognized the feeling but again

over a period of a very long 5 days he was able to totally get it. We

then went to wearing just undies and later just elastic waist stuff he

could do himself. He was 25 months. We used the same technique with my

daughter who was pretty advanced motorically and it took her 1.5 days

and she had less accidents as well as time goes on. My son is 6.5 now

and each time he has a major growth spurt it seems like the bladder

doesn't always keep pace so he occasionally goes partially in his pants

or squirts the wall behind the toilet but for the most part he has done

really well with it and I think it was because we did it early before he

really had a choice about things.

May 8, 2004

My daughter would use the potty when she was not wearing clothes, but as soon as

I covered her up she just didn't use it. It didn't matter if it was underpants,

diaper, pull-up, she just won't use the potty when wearing something. She was

finally day trained just before her third birthday. But she still has problems,

she is 6, I do believe that there has to be some kind of connection since going

to the bathroom is a motor planning activity! Good luck, and you are not the

only mom out there dealing with this.

May 10, 2004

Does your daughter have a favorite cartoon character or stickers that she likes?

You might try decorating the inside of the top lid to the toilet with those so

she can see them when she opens the lid. Sometimes kids are just afraid of

going potty - the sound of the flushing, the echo of the pee going into the

water, etc. Josh actually likes flushing at home but is scared to death of the

flush sound in public restrooms (he's 6 also) - we have no problem with getting

him to go potty at home or at school but if we're out somewhere - holy cow! He

starts screaming and yelling even at the suggestion of going potty (even though

he does need to go!). Dh is always worried someone is going to think he's

beating him or something when he takes him into the bathrooms! In fact, one guy

asked Josh one time if he was all right - he said " Otay " and pointed to his head

(his sign for scared) - dh had to explain what was going on! The guy just

chuckled and wished dh luck!

Sherry

aigjr@... wrote:

Everyone sounds like they are doing a great job with the potty training. I

wish I could say the same. My daughter is 6 and when we go into the bathroom

the first thing she does is put the lid to the toilet down just in case we want

to try sitting on the potty. I have tried EVERYTHING. I have tried making it

fun, having her sit on a closed seat or a potty seat in another room such as

while watching tv, giving her candies, etc. She does not want to sit on that

toilet seat or any seat, even the soft ones.

any ideas?

May 10, 2004

Oh, just so you know that you aren't exactly alone, not EVERYONE is

doing a great job with potty training. I had been trying for almost

a year to get my son Drew started. Granted, I did start earlier, and

knew it would take longer, but I wanted to get him started, hoping

that after a year or so he'd be on his way. Alas, that is not the

case. He actually started out doing okay, but as time when on, he

got worse and non-cooperative about it. Now, he's almost 3 now, and

I know I have some time to some degree...but he's a huge kid, as big

as some 4 and 5 year olds we know, so he's outgrowing the diaper

sizes.

I decided to just back off as much as possible. I think he does show

a lot of the signs of being ready, but it's a matter of being ready

and WILLING for Drew. I've also been assured that when he starts

preschool, the sped teacher will be helping him to learn, so I

shouldn't fret about it just yet. I'll be VERY happy to get her help

on this one!

;-)

le (mom to Drew, 2.11 yrs, apraxia, DSI, and hypotonia)

> Everyone sounds like they are doing a great job with the potty

training. I

> wish I could say the same. My daughter is 6 and when we go into the

bathroom

> the first thing she does is put the lid to the toilet down just in

case we want

> to try sitting on the potty. I have tried EVERYTHING. I have tried

making it

> fun, having her sit on a closed seat or a potty seat in another

room such as

> while watching tv, giving her candies, etc. She does not want to

sit on that

> toilet seat or any seat, even the soft ones.

>

> any ideas?

>

May 10, 2004

hi danielle,

I have trained many a child and once they use it as a control issue, the best

thing is to back off. unfortunatley once they realize that they could this its

all bad. if he is not going in the potty then just ignore him. when he goes in

the potty have a party. He using his eliminations to get rise out of you. Not

that you yell or make it negative. its attention. but he needs to clean up

after himself, easy stuff like picking up his undies or pants and putting them

where you put dirty things, taking a towel and cleaning the floor. obviously

they can't clean perfectly but enough that they are not just sitting there

looking at you clean or they just go back and play. its reinforcing especially

if they go back and play. i know my boy does not like to touch messes.

man i wish we lived in the open so potty training wouldn't be a problem if you

know what i mean

and please ask for help (daddy's) because they 1)they need to know that their

child is being potty trained, and its hard it interrups everything. once they

have to clean up after them they are more on board.2) and WE NEED A BRAKE.

My husband still forgets to remind my boy to go.

hope this helps

chris

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