Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

[Guest guest]

" If someone communicates about iodine in such a

way that people with Hashi's

feel confused, I believe that is negative

information and is an emanation

of iodine-phobia. "

Well I disagree with you on several points. The

main one being that the videos are limited to

around 10 minutes each. You can't get all the info

from one video. And that therefor leads a

reasonable person to figure they might need to

listen to more to find out the whole story. And

there is no way in this world to construe the

information as negative pertaining to Iodine,

unless of couse you don't listen to ALL the

videos. We'll just have to agree to disagree about

this subject because I still say saying something

about someone that isn't true is not a good thing

no matter how you justify it. And saying the whole

world is against Iodine is an exaggeration, I'm

part of the people in the world and so are all the

thousands of members of this group, and we're not

against Iodine, unless of course you're saying

that we are not part of the people in the world.

It's the AMA that's against Iodine, and they are

definitely not the whole world. They are fairly

influential over docotors, but there are a

surprising number of people that take Iodine that

are not in this group. And I am seeing more and

more information about Iodine appearing, it seems

like every week that goes by, and not all of it is

in agreement with the Iodine Protocol. But that's

okay too, there's room in the world for more than

one viewpoint and way of doing things. Like I

said, don't fall into the same trap as the AMA

that thinks they know what's best for everybody.

Anyway, I've given my .02 worth. This is my last

reply on the subject. I think it's fairly

exhausted now.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Baker wrote:

>

>

> Well Bethann, I don't much admire your method of exaggerating my statements

> and rolling your eyes, so I guess we're " even. " I have said several times

> now that my issue is, when people on this list get confused about whether

> they should take iodine with Hashi's, that is a bad thing and should be

> counteracted. The whole wide world is against iodine, it takes constant

> supportive bucking up to hold one's own against the weight of the world. If

> someone communicates about iodine in such a way that people with Hashi's

> feel confused, I believe that is negative information and is an emanation

> of iodine-phobia. The doctor should be saying that his personal practice

> involves x and such, but that there are other approaches. That would not

> lead people with Hashi's to the wrong conclusions. And may I say, as a

> person with Hashi's, most of us have suffered so much and the brain fog can

> be so overwhelming that we do better with some clear statements that help

> us get oriented, not ambivalence and confusion.

>

> --

>

> At 04:37 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote:

> >Oh Lordy, , it was only one video in a

> >series of videos, if you watch all the videos and

> >especially the ones on Hashi's, you find that he

> >recommends Iodine. He just recommends that people

> >with Hashi's get the TSH down and the inflammation

> >down, before adding the Iodine. A little different

> >than the way we do it, but if it's working for his

> >patients then it's working, and if it works to get

> >people well then it's good. And again I say he

> >doesn't say you don't need Iodine. And labeling

> >someone as Iodine-phobic, when they are not, is

> >going too far and it's not true, and is a false

> >accusation, and libelous, no matter what someone

> >came away with because they didn't bother to

> >listen to all the the information. Darn it

> >, even criminals aren't judged on partial

> >evidence and hearsay. At the least you could have

> >investigated yourself, instead of taking it for

> >granted that the man was guilty of " Oh My Gawd No,

> >he's IODINE PHOBIC! The ends, and I'm sure you

> >meant well, do not justify the means. There are

> >few enough doctors that even recommend Iodine that

> >I feel protective of every single one that does,

> >jeesh he even recommends the sea salt for heaven's

> >sake. The Iodine Protocol as a lot of us follow it

> >might not be the best way for everyone, this way

> >is a bit gentler, and may be slower, but it may

> >benefit some people. And it definitely is a way to

> >get people to try Iodine if they're scared away by

> >mentions of 50 and 100 mgs of Iodine every day. I

> >think any introduction to Iodine is a good thing

> >because people begin looking around for more

> >information at that point. Sorry, I admire your

> >intention just not your method.

> >

> >

> >

> >Bethann

> >

> > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

> >ignorance.. .it is the illusion of knowledge "

> >~ Hawking

> >

> > Baker wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > My response arose because yet again, someone watched that video and

> took

> > > away the message that she shouldn't be doing iodine because she has

> > > Hashi's. That's the quote there on top of what I wrote, copied

> below. As

> > > someone with Hashi's, I had to get past the contradictory

> information. I

> > > don't think it is helpful for people with Hashi's to become

> confused about

> > > whether they need iodine or not. That was my motivation for

> writing, and

> > > I'm sticking by it. --

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says

> > > we have

> > > > > >to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before

> > > now I'm

> > > > > >confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrr

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >----------- --------- --------- -------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group http://health. groups.. com/group/ IodineOT/

> <IodineOT/>

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl. com/yhnds5e

> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>

[Guest guest]

Amen to that! Double blind, randomized, studies

with control groups, that would set the FDA and

the AMA on it's heels, hehe. Don't I wish I could

win the Lotto

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

ladybugsandbees wrote:

> This is true. Gluten has been implicated in hashimotos as well. It may be

> a combo of things. Think about bromide, fluoride, mercury and more. We

> don't know what they are doing exactly. We know that they seem to block the

> NIS in the cell but what else? I have a hunch there is more to the story.

> Wish we had a ton of money to do massive studies like they can with

> pharmaceuticals. Let's win the lotto and pay for this.

>

> Steph

>

>

> Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

>

>

>> Saying that Hashi's is cause ONLY by a lack of

>> Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause

>> but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body

>> can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as

>> well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine

>> issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many

>> other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it

>> may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not

>> all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may

>> need a little preparation before they begin on

>> Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered

>> to find out more. It is amazing how people lock

>> onto things and become as blinded as the AMA

>> quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter

>> if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm

>> always adding and discarding things as I learn

>> more and get new information. My condition keeps

>> improving so I must be doing something right.

>>

>> Bethann

>>

>> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

>> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

>> ~ Hawking

>>

>> Baker wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune

>>> diseases

>>> have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of

>>> iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

>>> that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a

>>> year

>>> on the iodine protocol.

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a

>>> thyroid

>>> > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

>>> >

>>> >Joanne

>>> ><http://www.joanneun leashed.com

>>> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>www.joanneunleashe d.com

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

>>> ><mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com

>>> <mailto:iodine%40>>iodinegroups (DOT) com

>>> <mailto:iodine%40> wrote:

>>> >

>>> >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we

>>> have

>>> >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now

>>> I'm

>>> >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

>>>

>>> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

>>> --A.J. Muste

>>>

>>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

>> IodineOT/

>>

>>

>> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Don't we all.

Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing &

>> thyroid

>>

>>

>>> Saying that Hashi's is cause ONLY by a lack of

>>> Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause

>>> but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body

>>> can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as

>>> well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine

>>> issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many

>>> other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it

>>> may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not

>>> all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may

>>> need a little preparation before they begin on

>>> Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered

>>> to find out more. It is amazing how people lock

>>> onto things and become as blinded as the AMA

>>> quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter

>>> if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm

>>> always adding and discarding things as I learn

>>> more and get new information. My condition keeps

>>> improving so I must be doing something right.

>>>

>>> Bethann

>>>

>>> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

>>> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

>>> ~ Hawking

>>>

>>> Baker wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune

>>>> diseases

>>>> have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack

>>>> of

>>>> iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

>>>> that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a

>>>> year

>>>> on the iodine protocol.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>>

>>>> > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a

>>>> thyroid

>>>> > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

>>>> >

>>>> >Joanne

>>>> ><http://www.joanneun leashed.com

>>>> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>www.joanneunleashe d.com

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

>>>> ><mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com

>>>> <mailto:iodine%40>>iodinegroups (DOT) com

>>>> <mailto:iodine%40> wrote:

>>>> >

>>>> >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we

>>>> have

>>>> >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now

>>>> I'm

>>>> >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

>>>>

>>>> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

>>>> --A.J. Muste

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

>>> IodineOT/

>>>

>>>

>>> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

>>> Links

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

>> IodineOT/

>>

>>

>> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

>> Links

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> IodineOT/

>

>

> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

They typically occur because of foreign proteins--including parasites--and lack of essential nutrients in the diet. Leaky got is largely involved.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.coOn Apr 10, 2010, at 9:16 PM, iodine wrote:When you follow the biochemistry here you can see how the autoimmunity is triggered by low iodine. After all - why do autoimmunities occur??

[Guest guest]

Yes precisely, look for molecular mimicry with this. Add vaccines.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Joanne

They typically occur because of foreign proteins--including parasites--and lack of essential nutrients in the diet. Leaky got is largely involved.

Joanne

www.joanneunleashed.co

On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:16 PM, iodine wrote:

When you follow the biochemistry here you can see how the autoimmunity is triggered by low iodine. After all - why do autoimmunities occur??

[Guest guest]

I have Hashi's for about 17 yrs now. Take synthroid and cytomel. Started

Lugols 3 months ago. Up to 25 mg. NEVER FELT BETTER!

Beverly

>

> I haven't watched these yet, but maybe they'll

> answer your questions?

> I've heard of Hashi's folks who do very well with

> Iodine and some who haven't, it's all individual.

>

> Hashimoto's Educational Videos

>

> http://www.advancingthyroidcare.com/categories/20100318_1

>

> Bethann

>

[Guest guest]

One of the better explanations for those interested;

http://www.direct-ms.org/molecularmimicry.html

Bruce

----- Original Message ----- Yes precisely, look for molecular mimicry with this. Add vaccines.Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: Joanne They typically occur because of foreign proteins--including parasites--and lack of essential nutrients in the diet. Leaky got is largely involved. Joannewww.joanneunleashed.co

[Guest guest]

All this is true and we have to remember we don;t want the FDA's hands on any of it. from IllinoisFrom: Sandy <sandydee37@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 3:05:26 PMSubject: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing &

thyroid

No, I don't agree with you . There are alot of people here on the forum who believe and we all support in one way or the other. But there will also be doubt as iodine is not back to being conventional medicine, as yet. We just need to explain how important iodine is to Hashi's and to everything else. We should be evangelists here and not zealots. Don't mean to have this come across in the wrong way.

In the last couple of years I have seen more and more information on the internet in regard to iodine and it is becoming bigger and bigger.

We just need to keep getting the word out in the nicest possible way :-)

Not only Dr Brownstein but Dr Ahbram, Dr Flechas, Dr Derry plus a few others.

>

>

> >hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

> >to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

> >confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrr

>

>

> This comes under the heading of a Dr who has some good information to

> offer, but is still iodine-phobic. We keep going through this on the list

> where someone posts some information that contradicts what we collectively

> know to be true, making some people doubt their iodine protocol. What we

> need to be doing here is supporting one another in the protocol, not

> casting doubt, because the whole entire Medical Establishment is arrayed

> against iodine and that iodine-phobia is the reason people are so sick.

>

> So, once again, Dr Brownstein says that it is a completely erroneous

> concept that people with Hashi's shouldn't have iodine. He himself even

> once said that, before he got more education, and he admits this. If you

> read his book, Iodine, he makes it very very clear that Hashi's is a

> problem of not enough iodine, period.

>

> Contrary to what may have already been said, I see no evidence that some

> people on Hashi's don't do well on iodine. I think it's a rare person who

> doesn't do well on it. I think when people don't do well on it, it's not

> that they don't need it, it's that they are so toxic that the detox

> symptoms are overwhelming.

>

> Iodine is centrally important to thyroid function, and all thyroid

> malfunctions are the result of not enough iodine. Please do not buy into

> this Dr's erroneous positions on the matter. It's a waste of time and energy.

>

> ly I don't think anything is a must-read about iodine unless it's

> taking Dr Brownstein's research as a jumping off point. His is the cutting

> edge truth. Anything that contains one iota of iodine-phobia should be

> disregarded as a source about iodine protocol, because it is buying into

> the Western Medical Industry's deathtrap. This Dr's video may be important

> information about thryoid function and so forth, but absolutely not as

> information about iodine dosing, as the subject line claims.

>

> --

>

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

I thought it was the autoimmune ppl who did better on doses of 50mg + ,

not less than that.

??

Gracia

YardBirdMail wrote:

> Oh Lordy, , it was only one video in a

> series of videos, if you watch all the videos and

> especially the ones on Hashi's, you find that he

> recommends Iodine. He just recommends that people

> with Hashi's get the TSH down and the inflammation

> down, before adding the Iodine. A little different

> than the way we do it, but if it's working for his

> patients then it's working, and if it works to get

> people well then it's good. And again I say he

> doesn't say you don't need Iodine. And labeling

> someone as Iodine-phobic, when they are not, is

> going too far and it's not true, and is a false

> accusation, and libelous, no matter what someone

> came away with because they didn't bother to

> listen to all the the information. Darn it

> , even criminals aren't judged on partial

> evidence and hearsay. At the least you could have

> investigated yourself, instead of taking it for

> granted that the man was guilty of " Oh My Gawd No,

> he's IODINE PHOBIC! The ends, and I'm sure you

> meant well, do not justify the means. There are

> few enough doctors that even recommend Iodine that

> I feel protective of every single one that does,

> jeesh he even recommends the sea salt for heaven's

> sake. The Iodine Protocol as a lot of us follow it

> might not be the best way for everyone, this way

> is a bit gentler, and may be slower, but it may

> benefit some people. And it definitely is a way to

> get people to try Iodine if they're scared away by

> mentions of 50 and 100 mgs of Iodine every day. I

> think any introduction to Iodine is a good thing

> because people begin looking around for more

> information at that point. Sorry, I admire your

> intention just not your method.

>

>

>

> Bethann

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is what I took out of the videos: It is a lack of iodine that causes

damage to the thyroid because the hydrogen peroxyde has nothing to work with and

so destroys the thyroid tissue.

I have nodules and a low level of antibodies. Since starting iodine two years

ago (25mg per day), my nodules have shrunk. I don't know what my antibodies

were before starting iodine, but suspect they were higher than they are now.

> >

> > > Watch this and tell me he is Iodophobic. Any time

> > > someone doesn't agree exactly with the Iodine

> > > Protocol, y'all start screaming Iodophobic. You

> > > really need to calm down and find out more before

> > > you start saying stuff like that.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

yes that's correct, Gracia, according to Dr B's book on Thyroid and also in

the Iodine book. --

At 09:57 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote:

>I thought it was the autoimmune ppl who did better on doses of 50mg + ,

>not less than that.

>??

>Gracia

>

>

>YardBirdMail wrote:

> > Oh Lordy, , it was only one video in a

> > series of videos, if you watch all the videos and

> > especially the ones on Hashi's, you find that he

> > recommends Iodine. He just recommends that people

> > with Hashi's get the TSH down and the inflammation

> > down, before adding the Iodine. A little different

> > than the way we do it, but if it's working for his

> > patients then it's working, and if it works to get

> > people well then it's good. And again I say he

> > doesn't say you don't need Iodine. And labeling

> > someone as Iodine-phobic, when they are not, is

> > going too far and it's not true, and is a false

> > accusation, and libelous, no matter what someone

> > came away with because they didn't bother to

> > listen to all the the information. Darn it

> > , even criminals aren't judged on partial

> > evidence and hearsay. At the least you could have

> > investigated yourself, instead of taking it for

> > granted that the man was guilty of " Oh My Gawd No,

> > he's IODINE PHOBIC! The ends, and I'm sure you

> > meant well, do not justify the means. There are

> > few enough doctors that even recommend Iodine that

> > I feel protective of every single one that does,

> > jeesh he even recommends the sea salt for heaven's

> > sake. The Iodine Protocol as a lot of us follow it

> > might not be the best way for everyone, this way

> > is a bit gentler, and may be slower, but it may

> > benefit some people. And it definitely is a way to

> > get people to try Iodine if they're scared away by

> > mentions of 50 and 100 mgs of Iodine every day. I

> > think any introduction to Iodine is a good thing

> > because people begin looking around for more

> > information at that point. Sorry, I admire your

> > intention just not your method.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bethann

> >

> >

>

>

>

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>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Sorry i just watched the video on iodine and probably missed a few things there, English is not my mother tongue. ok then iodine is a must :-)From: Sandy <sandydee37@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 10:10:21 PMSubject: Re: Absolute must read about

iodine dosing & thyroid

Well said Bethann. Hmmm where are those chill pills when you need them. :-)

"The Iodine Protocol is a protocol it's

not the ten commandments, and folks need to tailor

it to their individual needs. It's not going to be

a one size fits all thing. This sounds like a good

alternate to the Iodine Protocol. A variation of

it if you will, that may work better for SOME people."

[Guest guest]

This is just a general reply Ellen, not pointed at

you;)

My whole point in posting the videos was that he

was recommending Iodine, and a lot of the things

in the Iodine Protocol, as well as balancing sex

hormones and the adrenals. Yay! Another doc who is

Iodine literate, AND knows about estrogen

overload, AND about adrenal fatigue that other

doctors claim doesn't exist! Sigh, I know groups

that preach adrenals! adrenals! cortisone!

cortisone! Iodine is bad! And we preach Iodine

Protocol, Iodine Protocol, The Iodine Protocol is

the only right way, LOL.

But this doctor seems to have put all of it

together and his patients are getting well doing

it his way. And everyone is saying but but but

he's not doing it right, he's not doing it the way

we do it. Our way is the ONLY way.

Well he must be doing something right if his

patients are getting well, he's not waving a wand

over them, LMAO. According to his profile page

he's been an medical doctor and ND for 28 years.

So we chose the Iodine Protocol, and he's using

Iodine in a different way. If his patients are

getting better doing it his way, and we're getting

better doing it our way, I don't understand why

everyone has a problem with the fact that

something else might work better for other people

who decide to do it another way. Does everyone

feel cheated or left out or something? *scratches

head* I honestly don't understand it. It's not

like the Iodine Protocol the way we do it is a

religion or something. As far as I'm concerned

both ways of using Iodine are valid if people are

getting well and staying that way. Do you really

think he would be able to keep his license if what

he is doing didn't work? Especially with the AMA

and the FDA ready to jump on anything that doesn't

toe the official line. He's taking a big risk with

using the Iodine and doing the adrenal and sex

hormone balancing, and using the thyroid tests in

ways that are not officially condoned. Look at the

grief Dr Lowe had, he couldn't even get a paper

published in a journal with oodles of hard data on

thyroid hormone levels, from well crafted studies

and actual results from prescribing thyroid meds

to patients that would be declared to have normal

thyroid function by most MDs and Endos.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Ellen wrote:

> Here is what I took out of the videos: It is a lack of iodine that causes

damage to the thyroid because the hydrogen peroxyde has nothing to work with and

so destroys the thyroid tissue.

>

> I have nodules and a low level of antibodies. Since starting iodine two years

ago (25mg per day), my nodules have shrunk. I don't know what my antibodies

were before starting iodine, but suspect they were higher than they are now.

>

>

>>>

>>>> Watch this and tell me he is Iodophobic. Any time

>>>> someone doesn't agree exactly with the Iodine

>>>> Protocol, y'all start screaming Iodophobic. You

>>>> really need to calm down and find out more before

>>>> you start saying stuff like that.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes this is true because when i started having thyroid issues, we found ut i was gluten intolerant. So I guess this is all linked. I'm not anymore but it is recommended to not eat gluten anymore, do you agree guys?Also my TSH is low and my antibodies are a bit too high, can it make me feel bad still? From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 12:33:40 AMSubject: Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

This is true. Gluten has been implicated in hashimotos as well. It may be a combo of things. Think about bromide, fluoride, mercury and more. We don't know what they are doing exactly. We know that they seem to block the NIS in the cell but what else? I have a hunch there is more to the story. Wish we had a ton of money to do massive studies like they can with pharmaceuticals. Let's win the lotto and pay for this. :)Steph Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid> Saying that Hashi's is

cause ONLY by a lack of> Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause> but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body> can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as> well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine> issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many> other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it> may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not> all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may> need a little preparation before they begin on> Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered> to find out more. It is amazing how people lock> onto things and become as blinded as the AMA> quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter> if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm> always adding and discarding things as I learn> more and get new information. My condition keeps> improving so I must

be doing something right.>> Bethann>> "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge"> ~ Hawking>> Baker wrote:>>>>>>>> Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune >> diseases>> have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of>> iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall>> that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a >> year>> on the iodine protocol.>>>> -->>>> > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a >> thyroid>> > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.>> >>> >Joanne>>

><http://www.joanneun leashed.com>> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>www.joanneunleashe d.com>> >>> >>> >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,>> ><mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com>> <mailto:iodine%40>>iodinegroups (DOT) com>> <mailto:iodine%40> wrote:>> >>> >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we >> have>> >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now >> I'm>> >>confused again..i thought we needed

iodine??>>>> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~>> --A.J. Muste>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/>>> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

> Sigh, I know groups

>that preach adrenals! adrenals! cortisone!

>cortisone! Iodine is bad! And we preach Iodine

>Protocol, Iodine Protocol, The Iodine Protocol is

>the only right way, LOL.

This isn't true. People discuss adrenals all the time here. Also

detoxification, sunbathing, and etc.

--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Yeaho, but all that is not the official Iodine

Protocol, that's all stuff we've researched, or

Steph has researched and we share. The Iodine

Protocol and companion nutrients are the main

thing. And yeah the salt supports the adrenals and

the vit c and the nutrients, but the official

Iodine Protocol doesn't call for progesterone, or

cortisol, from what I've read. The main thing IS

the Iodine and the companion nutrients, that IS

the Iodine Protocol, even though we individually

discuss other things. I'm not saying that's bad,

mind you, I'm just saying the Iodine Protocol

emphasizes the Iodine and companion nutrients,

rather than adding progesterone and cortisone, and

that they must all be balanced. If I hadn't done

my own research I wouldn't know about estrogen

overload, or adrenal fatigue. And for some people

the salt and companion nutrients are not enough to

get everything balanced. I've been taking Iodine

for months and doing the salt and all the

nutrients, and I still had to go hunting for

answers for hormone imbalance. And it's been a

long bunch of trial and error as far as the

hormones go. And I didn't read about that in the

Iodine Protocol.

This guy just makes it easier by talking about

everything at once. He's got just about everything

covered, he just doesn't publicly push as large a

dose of Iodine as we do.

I'm not telling people to abandon the IP. I follow

the IP myself. But it sure would have saved me

months of digging and pulling my hair out over a

bad case of estrogen overload, and wayyy low

progesterone, and very weak adrenals if I had

stumbled across that website first. I had to find

out myself that low progesterone effects the way

the thyroid hormones work, and that it, and not

just hypoT, could wreck the adrenals. Yeah the IP

will probably correct all that eventually, and

It's knocking a lot of bad stuff out of the bod,

but why should I have to suffer in the meantime?

So I say take the information that is provided and

make use of it. And if his take on Iodine is

different than mine, I can ignore it.

I know about the different hormones because I did

the digging BEFORE I saw the videos, but there may

be people out there that DON'T know and it is

invaluable info. It might save some people some

difficulties. The info about how the thyroid

works, and how the hormones effect the thyroid

and how the body uses the thyroid hormones is

invaluable. He's not just pushing thyroid hormones

and adrenals without Iodine, or just Iodine and

nutrients without the other added hormones, he's

put all the pieces together and explained how it

all works together. The only thing he doesn't

cover is Leptin, and the insulin/leptin/cortisol

receptors. I didn't hear any mention of that.

The information he gives is no different than any

other information that anyone else presents. Take

what can be used and leave the rest.

Bethann

[Guest guest]

"The information he gives is no different than any other information that anyone else presents. Take what can be used and leave the rest."Bethann

Definitely. If anyone completely ignores other stuff because the writer is against iodine then we;ll learn nothing as

few do yet. Like you say, take the good part and ignore the rest.

I've seen people ignore and berate an article that was incredible and could save lives over a word they didn't agree with.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

My take on Hashimotos from what little research

I've done, is it is an auto-immune 'order' caused by the thyroid

appearing as a foreign substance, as the thyroid shuts down to the

point of appearing foreign to the body. When the dormant thyroid is

attacked, it appears like an appendicitis, yes? First there is

inflammation and due to the attack, a period of hyperactivity.

As per this doctor, or M.D., as the former work in a de jure capacity

as providers of relief to the suffering of mankind, while the latter as

agents for a dead piece of paper (any ... CORPORATION, for instance the

local MEDICAL ASSOCIATION where they get the M.D. title from), we are

bound to see some fence-sitting as this gets underway:

http://hwcdn.net/t9f2y9d8/cds/voice/019004/kirkgaard040710.mp3 (worth a

listen). For that they might finally get off the fence-sitting post,

those that want to administer remedies, and the rest find more

productive lives while doctor brownstein stops being the lone voice in

the wilderness.

It is no great coincidence that one or two M.D.'s support wholly the

iodine remedy path.

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On 2010-04-10 20:09, Caroline Croon wrote:

 

The Dr explains that when we have Hashimoto's our TSH is very

high. It's weird because mine was high but has now lowered, around 1.37

but I still have both antibodies too high, what does that mean then?

[Guest guest]

Wow that site is awesome, lots of good info. I have type 1 diabetes and

hashimotos thyroid disease and I follow their guidelines about eating except I

eat peanuts and legumes and no animal products. I take a lot of the supplements

they recommend too.

>

> One of the better explanations for those interested;

> http://www.direct-ms.org/molecularmimicry.html

>

> Bruce

[Guest guest]

peanuts are full of mycotoxins,

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM, xtmtx2003 <xtmtx2003@...> wrote:

 

Wow that site is awesome, lots of good info. I have type 1 diabetes and hashimotos thyroid disease and I follow their guidelines about eating except I eat peanuts and legumes and no animal products. I take a lot of the supplements they recommend too.

>> One of the better explanations for those interested;> http://www.direct-ms.org/molecularmimicry.html

> > Bruce

[Guest guest]

I have celiac's disease, gluten, wheat and barley and maybe even if you feel fine it damages the villi that lines the intestines and then your body can't absorb the nutrients from food and supplements. You can actually can get cancer from this. They say that 80% of the people that do have this auto immune disease doesn't know it. That is why colonoscopies and endoscopes procedures are very important. I also have crohn's and ischemic colitis. SO what we put in our bodies through the years does have a big affect on our insides and Iodoral has helped me a lot. from IllinoisFrom: Caroline Croon <carolinecroon@...>iodine Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 1:15:07 AMSubject: Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

yes this is true because when i started having thyroid issues, we found ut i was gluten intolerant. So I guess this is all linked. I'm not anymore but it is recommended to not eat gluten anymore, do you agree guys?Also my TSH is low and my antibodies are a bit too high, can it make me feel bad still? From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. net>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, April 11, 2010 12:33:40 AMSubject: Re: Re:

Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

This is true. Gluten has been implicated in hashimotos as well. It may be a combo of things. Think about bromide, fluoride, mercury and more. We don't know what they are doing exactly. We know that they seem to block the NIS in the cell but what else? I have a hunch there is more to the story. Wish we had a ton of money to do massive studies like they can with pharmaceuticals. Let's win the lotto and pay for this. :)Steph Re: Re: Absolute must read about

iodine dosing & thyroid> Saying that Hashi's is

cause ONLY by a lack of> Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause> but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body> can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as> well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine> issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many> other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it> may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not> all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may> need a little preparation before they begin on> Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered> to find out more. It is amazing how people lock> onto things and become as blinded as the AMA> quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter> if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm> always adding and discarding things as I learn> more and get new information. My condition keeps> improving so I must

be doing something right.>> Bethann>> "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not> ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge"> ~ Hawking>> Baker wrote:>>>>>>>> Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune >> diseases>> have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of>> iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall>> that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a >> year>> on the iodine protocol.>>>> -->>>> > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a >> thyroid>> > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.>> >>>

>Joanne>>

><http://www.joanneun leashed.com>> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com%3E%3Ewww.joanneunleashe d.com>> >>> >>> >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,>> ><mailto:iodine>> <mailto:iodine% 40groups. com>>iodinegroups (DOT) com>> <mailto:iodine% 40groups. com> wrote:>> >>> >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we >> have>> >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now >>

I'm>> >>confused again..i thought we needed

iodine??>>>> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~>> --A.J. Muste>>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > http://health. groups.. com/group/ IodineOT/>>> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl. com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Having your paradigm challenged is frightening. What happens if everything you believe, all the years you spent believing it, turns out to be wrong and wasted? What happens if you're convinced of something and doubt enters in? Then you have to research more, get confused, have the ladder pulled out from underneath you. More work. More study. Admitting to others you were wrong.I've known a lot of things in my years on the planet, and I've been wrong many, many times. Now I'm not so concerned with being right or wrong; I'm concerned with being open-minded and flexible. Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Apr 11, 2010, at 11:18 AM, iodine wrote:I've seen people ignore and berate an article that was incredible and could save lives over a word they didn't agree with.

[Guest guest]

well i really think we ALL are different and one thing can work for someone but not for another person. We have to try and feel what's right. Also, the mind is really important, we only talk about physical stuff here but the mind and the body are connected, it's important to remember that and heal the mind too.From: Joanne <jojo@...>To:

iodine Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 5:35:22 PMSubject: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

Having your paradigm challenged is frightening. What happens if everything you believe, all the years you spent believing it, turns out to be wrong and wasted? What happens if you're convinced of something and doubt enters in? Then you have to research more, get confused, have the ladder pulled out from underneath you. More work. More study. Admitting to others you were wrong.I've known a lot of things in my years on the planet, and I've been wrong many, many times. Now I'm not so concerned with being right or wrong; I'm concerned with being open-minded and flexible. Joannewww.joanneunleashed .comOn Apr 11, 2010, at 11:18 AM, iodinegroups (DOT) com wrote:I've seen people ignore and berate an article that was incredible and could save lives over a word they didn't agree with.

[Guest guest]

yes peanuts are full of aflatoxin, the carcinogenic mold, DON't eat them! ( or yeasts or corn or wheat or mushrooms for that matter!)

Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

peanuts are full of mycotoxins,

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM, xtmtx2003 <xtmtx2003 > wrote:

Wow that site is awesome, lots of good info. I have type 1 diabetes and hashimotos thyroid disease and I follow their guidelines about eating except I eat peanuts and legumes and no animal products. I take a lot of the supplements they recommend too.>> One of the better explanations for those interested;> http://www.direct-ms.org/molecularmimicry.html> > Bruce

[Guest guest]

Lots of foods have aflatoxin, not just peanuts.

>

> yes peanuts are full of aflatoxin, the carcinogenic mold, DON't eat them! ( or

yeasts or corn or wheat or mushrooms for that matter!)