Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for posting this, it does go

right along with all the research I've been doing

on hormones and the thyroid. I have never thought

that cortisol or hydrocortisone was the answer to

all problems, and too much estrogen and too little

progesterone as well as the adrenal hormones seems

to be a big key. The Vit D info was huge! It

really does seem to tie in a lot of the stuff I've

been researching for the past year!

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

art wrote:

>

>

> Dr. Haskell has cutting edge knowledge based on new findings

> relating to iodine. He has Audio Visuals on his new site which will

> enlighten you. His new book is even better. If you are sick do yourself

> a favor and visit advancingthyroidcar e.com your friend art

>

>

[Guest guest]

i cant watch the videos right now, can u summarize what it says? I mean about the vit D? I have thyroiditis and low vit D so it sounds interesting to me..From: YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 7:39:48 PMSubject: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

Thank you so much for posting this, it does go right along with all the research I've been doing on hormones and the thyroid. I have never thought that cortisol or hydrocortisone was the answer to all problems, and too much estrogen and too little progesterone as well as the adrenal hormones seems to be a big key. The Vit D info was huge! It really does seem to tie in a lot of the stuff I've been researching for the past year!Bethann"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge" ~ Hawkingart wrote:> > > Dr. Haskell has cutting edge knowledge based on new findings > relating to iodine. He has Audio Visuals on his new site which will > enlighten you. His new book is even better. If you are sick do yourself > a favor and visit advancingthyroidcar e.com

your friend art> > ------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

great i could watch the videos, it is interesting! thanks for posting. unfortunately I dont have such doctors here, i think i'll have to self-medicate. The Dr explains that when we have Hashimoto's our TSH is very high. It's weird because mine was high but has now lowered, around 1.37 but I still have both antibodies too high, what does that mean then?From: Caroline Croon <carolinecroon@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 7:51:08 PMSubject: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

i cant watch the videos right now, can u summarize what it says? I mean about the vit D? I have thyroiditis and low vit D so it sounds interesting to me..From: YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@ gmail.com>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Sat, April 10, 2010 7:39:48 PMSubject: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

Thank you so much for posting this, it does go right along with all the research I've been doing on hormones and the thyroid. I have never thought that cortisol or hydrocortisone was the answer to all problems, and too much estrogen and too little progesterone as well as the adrenal hormones seems to be a big key. The Vit D info was huge! It really does seem to tie in a lot of the stuff I've been researching for the past year!Bethann"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge" ~ Hawkingart wrote:> > > Dr. Haskell has cutting edge knowledge based on new findings > relating to iodine. He has Audio Visuals on his new site which will > enlighten you. His new book is even better. If you are sick do yourself > a favor and visit advancingthyroidcar e.com

your friend art> > ------------ --------- --------- ------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group http://health. groups.. com/group/ IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl. com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

The cells themselves, not just the liver, need Vit

D and A to use thyroid hormone, and selenium is a

must if you have autoimmune thyroid problems, has

something to do with the H2O2 cycle and the

H2O2(hydrogen peroxidase) attacking the thyroid.

Manganese is extremely important.

Too much estrogen blocks thyroid hormones, need

progesterone to balance the estrogen.

He advocates Iodine, although he doesn't recommend

the levels we're taking, he STILL advocates taking

it, and Iodoral is right there on the products

page big as you please:) He mentions halides, and

the environmental estrogen mimickers that effect

the thyroid. Amazing amount of info in 30 minutes

of video. Most of the Iodine Protocol is

represented although he doesn't call it that.

He talks about adrenal function and thyroid

function. Too low cortisol causes thyroid hormones

not to be used properly. Too high cortisol isn't

good either. Too high levels of DHEA convert to

cortisol or estrogen.

Iron(ferritin) levels

B vitamins.

Glutathione

Liver support and cleansing

He covers just about everything including insulin.

I'm sure I left a good deal out but I've only

watched them once.

I have to watch them again myself. There's so much

in them, but it's simply stated and easy peasy to

understand. I need to absorb more of the info too,

LOL. This is a summary of all the independent

research I've been doing on hypothyroidism myself

in the last year. It's all the pieces of the

puzzle just about, coming together in one set of

videos.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Caroline Croon wrote:

>

>

> i cant watch the videos right now, can u summarize what it says? I mean

> about the vit D? I have thyroiditis and low vit D so it sounds

> interesting to me..

>

> *From:* YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@ gmail.com>

> *To:* iodinegroups (DOT) com

> *Sent:* Sat, April 10, 2010 7:39:48 PM

> *Subject:* Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

>

> Thank you so much for posting this, it does go

> right along with all the research I've been doing

> on hormones and the thyroid. I have never thought

> that cortisol or hydrocortisone was the answer to

> all problems, and too much estrogen and too little

> progesterone as well as the adrenal hormones seems

> to be a big key. The Vit D info was huge! It

> really does seem to tie in a lot of the stuff I've

> been researching for the past year!

>

> Bethann

>

> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

> ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge "

> ~ Hawking

>

> art wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dr. Haskell has cutting edge knowledge based on new findings

> > relating to iodine. He has Audio Visuals on his new site which will

> > enlighten you. His new book is even better. If you are sick do yourself

> > a favor and visit advancingthyroidcar e.com <http://e.com> your

> friend art

> >

> >

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group http://health.

> groups.. com/group/ IodineOT/

> <IodineOT/>

>

>

> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl. com/yhnds5e

> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>

[Guest guest]

hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrrFrom: YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 8:16:01 PMSubject: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing &

thyroid

The cells themselves, not just the liver, need Vit D and A to use thyroid hormone, and selenium is a must if you have autoimmune thyroid problems, has something to do with the H2O2 cycle and the H2O2(hydrogen peroxidase) attacking the thyroid. Manganese is extremely important.Too much estrogen blocks thyroid hormones, need progesterone to balance the estrogen.He advocates Iodine, although he doesn't recommend the levels we're taking, he STILL advocates taking it, and Iodoral is right there on the products page big as you please:) He mentions halides, and the environmental estrogen mimickers that effect the thyroid. Amazing amount of info in 30 minutes of video. Most of the Iodine Protocol is represented although he doesn't call it that.He talks about adrenal function and thyroid function. Too low cortisol causes thyroid hormones not to be used properly. Too high cortisol

isn't good either. Too high levels of DHEA convert to cortisol or estrogen.Iron(ferritin) levelsB vitamins.GlutathioneLiver support and cleansingHe covers just about everything including insulin.I'm sure I left a good deal out but I've only watched them once.I have to watch them again myself. There's so much in them, but it's simply stated and easy peasy to understand. I need to absorb more of the info too, LOL. This is a summary of all the independent research I've been doing on hypothyroidism myself in the last year. It's all the pieces of the puzzle just about, coming together in one set of videos.Bethann"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge" ~ HawkingCaroline Croon wrote:> > > i cant watch the videos right now, can u summarize what it says? I

mean > about the vit D? I have thyroiditis and low vit D so it sounds > interesting to me..> > *From:* YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@ gmail.com>> *To:* iodinegroups (DOT) com> *Sent:* Sat, April 10, 2010 7:39:48 PM> *Subject:* Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid> > Thank you so much for posting this, it does go> right along with all the research I've been doing> on hormones and the thyroid. I have never thought> that cortisol or hydrocortisone was the answer to> all problems, and too much estrogen and too little> progesterone as well as the adrenal hormones seems> to be a big key. The Vit D info was huge! It> really does seem to tie in a lot of the stuff I've> been researching for the past year!> > Bethann> > "The greatest enemy

of knowledge is not> ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge"> ~ Hawking> > art wrote:> > > >> > Dr. Haskell has cutting edge knowledge based on new findings> > relating to iodine. He has Audio Visuals on his new site which will> > enlighten you. His new book is even better. If you are sick do yourself> > a favor and visit advancingthyroidcar e.com <http://e.com> your > friend art> >> >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group http://health. > groups.. com/group/ IodineOT/ > <IodineOT/>> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl. com/yhnds5e > <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>

[Guest guest]

I haven't watched these yet, but maybe they'll

answer your questions?

I've heard of Hashi's folks who do very well with

Iodine and some who haven't, it's all individual.

Hashimoto's Educational Videos

http://www.advancingthyroidcare.com/categories/20100318_1

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Caroline Croon wrote:

>

>

> hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

> to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

> confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrr

>

>

> *From:* YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@ gmail.com>

> *To:* iodinegroups (DOT) com

> *Sent:* Sat, April 10, 2010 8:16:01 PM

> *Subject:* Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

>

> The cells themselves, not just the liver, need Vit

> D and A to use thyroid hormone, and selenium is a

> must if you have autoimmune thyroid problems, has

> something to do with the H2O2 cycle and the

> H2O2(hydrogen peroxidase) attacking the thyroid.

> Manganese is extremely important.

>

> Too much estrogen blocks thyroid hormones, need

> progesterone to balance the estrogen.

>

> He advocates Iodine, although he doesn't recommend

> the levels we're taking, he STILL advocates taking

> it, and Iodoral is right there on the products

> page big as you please:) He mentions halides, and

> the environmental estrogen mimickers that effect

> the thyroid. Amazing amount of info in 30 minutes

> of video. Most of the Iodine Protocol is

> represented although he doesn't call it that.

>

> He talks about adrenal function and thyroid

> function. Too low cortisol causes thyroid hormones

> not to be used properly. Too high cortisol isn't

> good either. Too high levels of DHEA convert to

> cortisol or estrogen.

>

> Iron(ferritin) levels

>

> B vitamins.

>

> Glutathione

>

> Liver support and cleansing

>

> He covers just about everything including insulin.

>

> I'm sure I left a good deal out but I've only

> watched them once.

>

> I have to watch them again myself. There's so much

> in them, but it's simply stated and easy peasy to

> understand. I need to absorb more of the info too,

> LOL. This is a summary of all the independent

> research I've been doing on hypothyroidism myself

> in the last year. It's all the pieces of the

> puzzle just about, coming together in one set of

> videos.

>

> Bethann

>

> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

> ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge "

> ~ Hawking

>

> Caroline Croon wrote:

> >

> >

> > i cant watch the videos right now, can u summarize what it says? I mean

> > about the vit D? I have thyroiditis and low vit D so it sounds

> > interesting to me..

> >

> > *From:* YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@ gmail.com <http://gmail.com>>

> > *To:* iodinegroups (DOT) com

> > *Sent:* Sat, April 10, 2010 7:39:48 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

> >

> > Thank you so much for posting this, it does go

> > right along with all the research I've been doing

> > on hormones and the thyroid. I have never thought

> > that cortisol or hydrocortisone was the answer to

> > all problems, and too much estrogen and too little

> > progesterone as well as the adrenal hormones seems

> > to be a big key. The Vit D info was huge! It

> > really does seem to tie in a lot of the stuff I've

> > been researching for the past year!

> >

> > Bethann

> >

> > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

> > ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge "

> > ~ Hawking

> >

> > art wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dr. Haskell has cutting edge knowledge based on new findings

> > > relating to iodine. He has Audio Visuals on his new site which will

> > > enlighten you. His new book is even better. If you are sick do

> yourself

> > > a favor and visit advancingthyroidcar e.com <http://e.com>

> <http://e.com> your

> > friend art

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

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[Guest guest]

From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a thyroid disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM, iodine wrote:hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

[Guest guest]

Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune diseases

have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of

iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a year

on the iodine protocol.

--

> >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a thyroid

> disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

>

>Joanne

><http://www.joanneunleashed.com>www.joanneunleashed.com

>

>

>On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

><mailto:iodine >iodine wrote:

>

>>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

>>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

>>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

*Rolls eyes* Why don't y'all just watch the video

and see what the man says, and he's saying there's

a need to reduce the TSH to <1, and inflammation

first so no iodine in the first stage of

treatment, and then after the inflammation and TSH

have been lowered, in the second stage of

treatment introduce the iodine. Which if you take

the companion nutrients for a while before you

begin Iodine(Which I believe is already

recommended) Then the inflammation may already be

decreased a lot. This is the part that talks about

the TSH and iodine and the rationale for all of it.

So no he's not saying no to Iodine forever. And

this may be the route to go for SOME people, if

the antibodies and inflammation are an ongoing

problem. The Iodine Protocol is a protocol it's

not the ten commandments, and folks need to tailor

it to their individual needs. It's not going to be

a one size fits all thing. This sounds like a good

alternate to the Iodine Protocol. A variation of

it if you will, that may work better for SOME people.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Sandy wrote:

>

>

> hmmm....Hashi' s is an autoimmune disease which attacks the thyroid so

> technically it is a thyroid disease. Dr Brownstein believes that iodine

> is imperative for this disease.

>

>

> >

> > > hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we

> have to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before

> now I'm confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, I don't agree with you . There are alot of people here on the forum

who believe and we all support in one way or the other. But there will also be

doubt as iodine is not back to being conventional medicine, as yet. We just

need to explain how important iodine is to Hashi's and to everything else. We

should be evangelists here and not zealots. Don't mean to have this come across

in the wrong way.

In the last couple of years I have seen more and more information on the

internet in regard to iodine and it is becoming bigger and bigger.

We just need to keep getting the word out in the nicest possible way :-)

Not only Dr Brownstein but Dr Ahbram, Dr Flechas, Dr Derry plus a few others.

>

>

> >hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

> >to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

> >confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrr

>

>

> This comes under the heading of a Dr who has some good information to

> offer, but is still iodine-phobic. We keep going through this on the list

> where someone posts some information that contradicts what we collectively

> know to be true, making some people doubt their iodine protocol. What we

> need to be doing here is supporting one another in the protocol, not

> casting doubt, because the whole entire Medical Establishment is arrayed

> against iodine and that iodine-phobia is the reason people are so sick.

>

> So, once again, Dr Brownstein says that it is a completely erroneous

> concept that people with Hashi's shouldn't have iodine. He himself even

> once said that, before he got more education, and he admits this. If you

> read his book, Iodine, he makes it very very clear that Hashi's is a

> problem of not enough iodine, period.

>

> Contrary to what may have already been said, I see no evidence that some

> people on Hashi's don't do well on iodine. I think it's a rare person who

> doesn't do well on it. I think when people don't do well on it, it's not

> that they don't need it, it's that they are so toxic that the detox

> symptoms are overwhelming.

>

> Iodine is centrally important to thyroid function, and all thyroid

> malfunctions are the result of not enough iodine. Please do not buy into

> this Dr's erroneous positions on the matter. It's a waste of time and energy.

>

> ly I don't think anything is a must-read about iodine unless it's

> taking Dr Brownstein's research as a jumping off point. His is the cutting

> edge truth. Anything that contains one iota of iodine-phobia should be

> disregarded as a source about iodine protocol, because it is buying into

> the Western Medical Industry's deathtrap. This Dr's video may be important

> information about thryoid function and so forth, but absolutely not as

> information about iodine dosing, as the subject line claims.

>

> --

>

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

Saying that Hashi's is cause ONLY by a lack of

Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause

but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body

can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as

well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine

issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many

other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it

may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not

all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may

need a little preparation before they begin on

Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered

to find out more. It is amazing how people lock

onto things and become as blinded as the AMA

quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter

if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm

always adding and discarding things as I learn

more and get new information. My condition keeps

improving so I must be doing something right.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Baker wrote:

>

>

>

> Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune diseases

> have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of

> iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

> that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a year

> on the iodine protocol.

>

> --

>

> > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a thyroid

> > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

> >

> >Joanne

> ><http://www.joanneun leashed.com

> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>www.joanneunleashe d.com

> >

> >

> >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

> ><mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com

> <mailto:iodine%40>>iodinegroups (DOT) com

> <mailto:iodine%40> wrote:

> >

> >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

> >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

> >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL, sorry bout that. I get out of sorts when

people start hollering without taking the time to

get all the facts. LOL, where's my lance, my

horse, and my windmill dagnabbit!

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Sandy wrote:

>

>

>

> Well said Bethann. Hmmm where are those chill pills when you need them. :-)

>

> " The Iodine Protocol is a protocol it's

> not the ten commandments, and folks need to tailor

> it to their individual needs. It's not going to be

> a one size fits all thing. This sounds like a good

> alternate to the Iodine Protocol. A variation of

> it if you will, that may work better for SOME people. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

My response arose because yet again, someone watched that video and took

away the message that she shouldn't be doing iodine because she has

Hashi's. That's the quote there on top of what I wrote, copied below. As

someone with Hashi's, I had to get past the contradictory information. I

don't think it is helpful for people with Hashi's to become confused about

whether they need iodine or not. That was my motivation for writing, and

I'm sticking by it. --

> >

> > >hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

> > >to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

> > >confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrr

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

And so does my condition keep improving, Bethann. Amazingly so. As I have

stated several times, I do not think it is productive for people with

Hashi's to be made afraid of their iodine.

--V

At 03:23 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote:

>Saying that Hashi's is cause ONLY by a lack of

>Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause

>but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body

>can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as

>well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine

>issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many

>other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it

>may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not

>all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may

>need a little preparation before they begin on

>Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered

>to find out more. It is amazing how people lock

>onto things and become as blinded as the AMA

>quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter

>if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm

>always adding and discarding things as I learn

>more and get new information. My condition keeps

>improving so I must be doing something right.

>

>Bethann

>

> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

>ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

>~ Hawking

>

> Baker wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune diseases

> > have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of

> > iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

> > that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a year

> > on the iodine protocol.

> >

> > --

> >

> > > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a thyroid

> > > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

> > >

> > >Joanne

> > ><http://www.joanneun leashed.com >

> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>www.joanneunleashe d.com

> > >

> > >

> > >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

> > ><mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com >

> <mailto:iodine%40>>iodinegroups (DOT) com

> > <mailto:iodine%40> wrote:

> > >

> > >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

> > >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

> > >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

> >

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I didn't say Hashi's is only caused by iodine, but it is for sure a root

cause. Just as lack of iodine is the root cause of a lot of ailments

because the metabolism cannot perform correctly without adequate iodine, of

which 72% of the world's population don't get enough. Now this is a

controversial statement? Inflammation isn't caused by gluten, inflammation

is caused by central nutritional deficiencies/damage that lead a person to

be sensitive to gluten. It's a slightly different perspective.

I would rather treat root causes and then see where I stand. I would rather

see a simple protocol that is accessible to the majority of people than a

complicated one that most people can't access or avail themselves of. I'm

also convinced that the level of supplementation with iodine, 50mg and

thereabouts, is necessary to regaining health from the toxic bath we live

in. --

>Saying that Hashi's is cause ONLY by a lack of

>Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause

>but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body

>can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as

>well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine

>issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many

>other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it

>may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not

>all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may

>need a little preparation before they begin on

>Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered

>to find out more. It is amazing how people lock

>onto things and become as blinded as the AMA

>quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter

>if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm

>always adding and discarding things as I learn

>more and get new information. My condition keeps

>improving so I must be doing something right.

>

>Bethann

>

> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

>ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

>~ Hawking

>

> Baker wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune diseases

> > have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of

> > iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

> > that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a year

> > on the iodine protocol.

> >

> > --

> >

> > > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a thyroid

> > > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

> > >

> > >Joanne

> > ><http://www.joanneun leashed.com >

> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>www.joanneunleashe d.com

> > >

> > >

> > >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

> > ><mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com >

> <mailto:iodine%40>>iodinegroups (DOT) com

> > <mailto:iodine%40> wrote:

> > >

> > >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have

> > >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm

> > >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

> >

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Oh Lordy, , it was only one video in a

series of videos, if you watch all the videos and

especially the ones on Hashi's, you find that he

recommends Iodine. He just recommends that people

with Hashi's get the TSH down and the inflammation

down, before adding the Iodine. A little different

than the way we do it, but if it's working for his

patients then it's working, and if it works to get

people well then it's good. And again I say he

doesn't say you don't need Iodine. And labeling

someone as Iodine-phobic, when they are not, is

going too far and it's not true, and is a false

accusation, and libelous, no matter what someone

came away with because they didn't bother to

listen to all the the information. Darn it

, even criminals aren't judged on partial

evidence and hearsay. At the least you could have

investigated yourself, instead of taking it for

granted that the man was guilty of " Oh My Gawd No,

he's IODINE PHOBIC! The ends, and I'm sure you

meant well, do not justify the means. There are

few enough doctors that even recommend Iodine that

I feel protective of every single one that does,

jeesh he even recommends the sea salt for heaven's

sake. The Iodine Protocol as a lot of us follow it

might not be the best way for everyone, this way

is a bit gentler, and may be slower, but it may

benefit some people. And it definitely is a way to

get people to try Iodine if they're scared away by

mentions of 50 and 100 mgs of Iodine every day. I

think any introduction to Iodine is a good thing

because people begin looking around for more

information at that point. Sorry, I admire your

intention just not your method.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Baker wrote:

>

>

> My response arose because yet again, someone watched that video and took

> away the message that she shouldn't be doing iodine because she has

> Hashi's. That's the quote there on top of what I wrote, copied below. As

> someone with Hashi's, I had to get past the contradictory information. I

> don't think it is helpful for people with Hashi's to become confused about

> whether they need iodine or not. That was my motivation for writing, and

> I'm sticking by it. --

>

> > >

> > > >hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says

> we have

> > > >to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before

> now I'm

> > > >confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrr

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

>

[Guest guest]

And that works for you, and that's great. But

don't fall into the mental trap that what works

for you works for everybody the same way. Then

you're doing the same thing that the GPs and Endos

do to everyone.

And yes, Gluten intolerance can cause antibodies,

it's not just from lack of nutrients, although

that can be a contributing cause. But whether it's

the chicken or the egg no one knows for sure. Some

people's genes just express differently and they

don't tolerate Gluten very well no matter how much

Iodine or nutrients they get. And inflammation in

one area of the body can lead to inflammation in

another. I find it interesting that the man said

when his patients went off gluten their thyroid

antibodies went down as well. Some people are just

Gluten sensitive, just as some people are sodium

sensitive. It all boils down to genetics, and

everyone is different, and responds differently.

And yes I believe in the toxic world we live in

that Iodine is a great health tool. But maybe not

everyone needs 50 - 100 mgs of Iodine a day. It

depends on their level of toxicity and how well

the liver functions and etc.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Baker wrote:

>

>

> I didn't say Hashi's is only caused by iodine, but it is for sure a root

> cause. Just as lack of iodine is the root cause of a lot of ailments

> because the metabolism cannot perform correctly without adequate iodine, of

> which 72% of the world's population don't get enough. Now this is a

> controversial statement? Inflammation isn't caused by gluten, inflammation

> is caused by central nutritional deficiencies/ damage that lead a person to

> be sensitive to gluten. It's a slightly different perspective.

>

> I would rather treat root causes and then see where I stand. I would rather

> see a simple protocol that is accessible to the majority of people than a

> complicated one that most people can't access or avail themselves of. I'm

> also convinced that the level of supplementation with iodine, 50mg and

> thereabouts, is necessary to regaining health from the toxic bath we live

> in. --

>

> >Saying that Hashi's is cause ONLY by a lack of

> >Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause

> >but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body

> >can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as

> >well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine

> >issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many

> >other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it

> >may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not

> >all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may

> >need a little preparation before they begin on

> >Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered

> >to find out more. It is amazing how people lock

> >onto things and become as blinded as the AMA

> >quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter

> >if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm

> >always adding and discarding things as I learn

> >more and get new information. My condition keeps

> >improving so I must be doing something right.

> >

> >Bethann

> >

> > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

> >ignorance.. .it is the illusion of knowledge "

> >~ Hawking

> >

> > Baker wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune

> diseases

> > > have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a

> lack of

> > > iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

> > > that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable

> after a year

> > > on the iodine protocol.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a

> thyroid

> > > > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

> > > >

> > > >Joanne

> > > ><http://www.joanneun leashed.com >

> > <http://www.joanneun leashed.com

> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>>www.joanneunleash e d.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

> > > ><mailto:iodine >

> > <mailto:iodine% 40groups. com>>iodine

> > > <mailto:iodine% 40groups. com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says

> we have

> > > >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before

> now I'm

> > > >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >----------- --------- --------- -------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group http://health. groups.. com/group/ IodineOT/

> <IodineOT/>

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl. com/yhnds5e

> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>

[Guest guest]

Well Bethann, I don't much admire your method of exaggerating my statements

and rolling your eyes, so I guess we're " even. " I have said several times

now that my issue is, when people on this list get confused about whether

they should take iodine with Hashi's, that is a bad thing and should be

counteracted. The whole wide world is against iodine, it takes constant

supportive bucking up to hold one's own against the weight of the world. If

someone communicates about iodine in such a way that people with Hashi's

feel confused, I believe that is negative information and is an emanation

of iodine-phobia. The doctor should be saying that his personal practice

involves x and such, but that there are other approaches. That would not

lead people with Hashi's to the wrong conclusions. And may I say, as a

person with Hashi's, most of us have suffered so much and the brain fog can

be so overwhelming that we do better with some clear statements that help

us get oriented, not ambivalence and confusion.

--

At 04:37 PM 4/10/2010, you wrote:

>Oh Lordy, , it was only one video in a

>series of videos, if you watch all the videos and

>especially the ones on Hashi's, you find that he

>recommends Iodine. He just recommends that people

>with Hashi's get the TSH down and the inflammation

>down, before adding the Iodine. A little different

>than the way we do it, but if it's working for his

>patients then it's working, and if it works to get

>people well then it's good. And again I say he

>doesn't say you don't need Iodine. And labeling

>someone as Iodine-phobic, when they are not, is

>going too far and it's not true, and is a false

>accusation, and libelous, no matter what someone

>came away with because they didn't bother to

>listen to all the the information. Darn it

>, even criminals aren't judged on partial

>evidence and hearsay. At the least you could have

>investigated yourself, instead of taking it for

>granted that the man was guilty of " Oh My Gawd No,

>he's IODINE PHOBIC! The ends, and I'm sure you

>meant well, do not justify the means. There are

>few enough doctors that even recommend Iodine that

>I feel protective of every single one that does,

>jeesh he even recommends the sea salt for heaven's

>sake. The Iodine Protocol as a lot of us follow it

>might not be the best way for everyone, this way

>is a bit gentler, and may be slower, but it may

>benefit some people. And it definitely is a way to

>get people to try Iodine if they're scared away by

>mentions of 50 and 100 mgs of Iodine every day. I

>think any introduction to Iodine is a good thing

>because people begin looking around for more

>information at that point. Sorry, I admire your

>intention just not your method.

>

>

>

>Bethann

>

> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

>ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

>~ Hawking

>

> Baker wrote:

> >

> >

> > My response arose because yet again, someone watched that video and took

> > away the message that she shouldn't be doing iodine because she has

> > Hashi's. That's the quote there on top of what I wrote, copied below. As

> > someone with Hashi's, I had to get past the contradictory information. I

> > don't think it is helpful for people with Hashi's to become confused about

> > whether they need iodine or not. That was my motivation for writing, and

> > I'm sticking by it. --

> >

> > > >

> > > > >hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says

> > we have

> > > > >to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before

> > now I'm

> > > > >confused again..i thought we needed iodine?? grrr

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

> >

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Yeah, no kidding. Why so scared? Keep an open mind, take in information, and make decisions based on the best that you know. If you close your mind to alternatives, you'll never learn.And someone who disagreea with Brownstein isn't necessarily an iodophobe. it's just someone who disagrees with Brownstein.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Apr 10, 2010, at 4:38 PM, iodine wrote:Watch this and tell me he is Iodophobic. Any time someone doesn't agree exactly with the Iodine Protocol, y'all start screaming Iodophobic. You really need to calm down and find out more before you start saying stuff like that.

[Guest guest]

Come on folks, this is really not supporting anyone anymore. Let's get back to

being evangelists please

>

> > Watch this and tell me he is Iodophobic. Any time

> > someone doesn't agree exactly with the Iodine

> > Protocol, y'all start screaming Iodophobic. You

> > really need to calm down and find out more before

> > you start saying stuff like that.

>

[Guest guest]

When you follow the biochemistry here you can see how the autoimmunity is triggered by low iodine. After all - why do autoimmunities occur??

Steph

Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

hmmm....Hashi's is an autoimmune disease which attacks the thyroid so technically it is a thyroid disease. Dr Brownstein believes that iodine is imperative for this disease.> > > hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm confused again..i thought we needed iodine??>

[Guest guest]

These videos are good but is this guy actually a real doctor? It says he went to

the National College of Natural Medicine. Just wondering.

>

> Yeah, no kidding. Why so scared? Keep an open mind, take in information, and

make decisions based on the best that you know. If you close your mind to

alternatives, you'll never learn.

>

> And someone who disagreea with Brownstein isn't necessarily an iodophobe. it's

just someone who disagrees with Brownstein.

>

> Joanne

> www.joanneunleashed.com

[Guest guest]

That's correct. He has been antibody free since 2007.

Steph

Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune diseases have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a year on the iodine protocol.--> >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a thyroid > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.>>Joanne><http://www.joanneunleashed.com>www.joanneunleashed.com>>>On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM, ><mailto:iodine >iodine wrote:>>>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we have >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now I'm >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

This is true. Gluten has been implicated in hashimotos as well. It may be

a combo of things. Think about bromide, fluoride, mercury and more. We

don't know what they are doing exactly. We know that they seem to block the

NIS in the cell but what else? I have a hunch there is more to the story.

Wish we had a ton of money to do massive studies like they can with

pharmaceuticals. Let's win the lotto and pay for this.

Steph

Re: Re: Absolute must read about iodine dosing & thyroid

> Saying that Hashi's is cause ONLY by a lack of

> Iodine is foolish. It can be a contributing cause

> but ANYTHING that causes inflammation in the body

> can also cause inflammation in the Thyroid as

> well. Gluten intolerance is not really an Iodine

> issue. and it can cause inflammation, so can many

> other things. The Iodine Protocol as we follow it

> may indeed help a lot of people, but we are not

> all made from cookie cutters. Someone else may

> need a little preparation before they begin on

> Iodine, which this guy is saying if you bothered

> to find out more. It is amazing how people lock

> onto things and become as blinded as the AMA

> quacks, and as close minded. And it doesn't matter

> if it's Iodine or adrenals, or what have you. I'm

> always adding and discarding things as I learn

> more and get new information. My condition keeps

> improving so I must be doing something right.

>

> Bethann

>

> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

> ~ Hawking

>

> Baker wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Wrong. I have it, it's my business to know what it is. Autoimmune

>> diseases

>> have physical causes just like anything else. It is definitely a lack of

>> iodine, and to say anything else is spreading false information. Recall

>> that Steph's husband's Hashi's antibodies went to undetectable after a

>> year

>> on the iodine protocol.

>>

>> --

>>

>> > >From what I understand. Hashis is an AUTOIMMUNE disease, not a

>> thyroid

>> > disease, so lack of iodine isn't the problem.

>> >

>> >Joanne

>> ><http://www.joanneun leashed.com

>> <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>>www.joanneunleashe d.com

>> >

>> >

>> >On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:53 PM,

>> ><mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com

>> <mailto:iodine%40>>iodinegroups (DOT) com

>> <mailto:iodine%40> wrote:

>> >

>> >>hhe thank you!! i can watch them now, I dont understand, he says we

>> have

>> >>to avoid iodine for hashimotos, we've had this discussion before now

>> I'm

>> >>confused again..i thought we needed iodine??

>>

>> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

>> --A.J. Muste

>>

>>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> IodineOT/

>

>

> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, but your response came across as hysterical zealotry. Let people get confused. They should get confused. Some great minds in medicine disagree on the iodine issue. Nobody is the same and they need to know all the issues so they can make intelligent choices. Nobody needs you to do their thinking for them. And Brownstein is not infallible, unless you're his disciple, of course.You can either rail against people who disagree with you, or you can present a cogent and reasoned argument for your beliefs. But in the end, that's all it is: a belief. Everybody has them.i'd sure like to know why all those Hashis people who aren't taking iodine are recovering. Hmmmm.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Apr 10, 2010, at 6:21 PM, iodine wrote:My response arose because yet again, someone watched that video and took away the message that she shouldn't be doing iodine because she has Hashi's. That's the quote there on top of what I wrote, copied below. As someone with Hashi's, I had to get past the contradictory information. I don't think it is helpful for people with Hashi's to become confused about whether they need iodine or not. That was my motivation for writing, and I'm sticking by it. --