Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2009 I just saw Dr. Geier talk and truly amazed at everything he said. In fact so impressed we are taking my son to him next week. You should look into Dr. Geier and his studies I think it's right up this alley. www.asdcenters.com Marcie Marcie Dingerson Burger Professionals REALTOR Your Home Buying Specialist www.MarcieDingerson.com 360-292-2569 http://threeboysandglutenfree.blogspot.com/ Check out my monkey's From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Re: MTHFRiodine Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 7:24 PM I don't know. High copper is associated with it too. Steph Re: Re: MTHFRI have the A1298C - one copy. I supplement with Methyl B12 shots, Folinic Acid, DMG and Choline. Yes the schizophrenia is related to this. It makes me sad because with what I know now I could have helped my dad I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2009 are you referring to Carl Pfieiffer? I saw him at Brain Bio Center in Princeton NJ. I was so sick after a partial thyroidectomy and no meds. I lost 30 years of my life and am only alive today b/c I got a computer. my mother and sisters struggle with mental illness. Gracia Is there another gene defect which causes schizophrenia which is related to methionine cycle? I have read some info from Pfeiffer's studies. I am wondering which gene defect corresponds to his undermethylated-high histamine type.These people need to supplement methionine and calcium and don't do well on folic acid according to Pfeiffer.thanksnil No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 03/04/09 07:41:00 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 What is dmg? What are the best types of folinic acid and choline? An interesting link about the copper- there is actually a copper overload syndrome. Go to annlouise.com and click on her nutrition with a mission podcasts. The one on copper is good. Also ,there are podcasts on cancer and many more. She is a world renowned nutritionist. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 What type of methionine supplements? It is amazing how much better I feel since taking calcium citrate. And d3. The budwig protocol stresses daily sun exposure for d3. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 I take DMG Complete. It was formulated by Dr. Brownstein and some doctor friends of his. They now offer their products to the public on their new website. https://www.purezenhealth.com/onlineStore_cat01.php What Is It? DMG is a derivative of the amino acid glycine and naturally occurs in the cells of all plants and animals in small amounts. It is chemically similar to the B vitamin family in structure but is not classified as a vitamin. It has been used as a nutritional supplement for over 25 years for various areas of nutritional support. It is a water soluble nutrient and has an excellent safety profile.* Uses For DMG Neurotransmitter Function: One of DMG’s main roles involves promoting healthy neurotransmitter function. Studies involving adult subjects have suggested that DMG may support the central nervous system glycine receptor or maintain healthy amino acid balance within the central nervous system. Positive support regarding the use of DMG in children's behavior has been collected for more than twenty years, as reported by one research institution. As early as 1965, Russian scientists discovered the potential for DMG to support healthy mental function in some children. At one research center in Korea, DMG provided encouraging support for children involved in a small trial.* Other Potential Areas Of Support: DMG is believed to promote oxygenation of tissues and serve as a methyl donor, promoting healthy cardiovascular function. These same mechanisms may also allow DMG to support healthy liver function and detoxification processes. DMG has also been used to support physical performance and moderate fatigue associated with physical activity.* Re: MTHFR What is dmg?What are the best types of folinic acid and choline?An interesting link about the copper- there is actually a copper overload syndrome. Go to annlouise.com and click on her nutrition with a mission podcasts.The one on copper is good. Also ,there are podcasts on cancer and many more.She is a world renowned nutritionist.Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 I wonder if it'd be alright to take Kirkman's " TMG w/folinic acid " , with the extra methyl donor and the folinic acid right in the pill. > > I take DMG Complete. It was formulated by Dr. Brownstein and some doctor friends of his. They now offer their products to the public on their new website. > https://www.purezenhealth.com/onlineStore_cat01.php > > What Is It? > > DMG is a derivative of the amino acid glycine and naturally occurs in the cells of all plants and animals in small amounts. It is chemically similar to the B vitamin family in structure but is not classified as a vitamin. It has been used as a nutritional supplement for over 25 years for various areas of nutritional support. It is a water soluble nutrient and has an excellent safety profile.* > > Uses For DMG > > Neurotransmitter Function: One of DMG's main roles involves promoting healthy neurotransmitter function. Studies involving adult subjects have suggested that DMG may support the central nervous system glycine receptor or maintain healthy amino acid balance within the central nervous system. Positive support regarding the use of DMG in children's behavior has been collected for more than twenty years, as reported by one research institution. As early as 1965, Russian scientists discovered the potential for DMG to support healthy mental function in some children. At one research center in Korea, DMG provided encouraging support for children involved in a small trial.* > > Other Potential Areas Of Support: DMG is believed to promote oxygenation of tissues and serve as a methyl donor, promoting healthy cardiovascular function. These same mechanisms may also allow DMG to support healthy liver function and detoxification processes. DMG has also been used to support physical performance and moderate fatigue associated with physical activity.* > > > > Re: MTHFR > > > What is dmg? > What are the best types of folinic acid and choline? > An interesting link about the copper- there is actually a copper overload syndrome. Go to annlouise.com and click on her nutrition with a mission podcasts. > The one on copper is good. Also ,there are podcasts on cancer and many more. > She is a world renowned nutritionist. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 Hi, You mention high histamine and undermethylation - I used to get hives every single day for 10 years of my life - usually as a response to a cold, damp, or chilly environment. Was that a clue to my undermethylation? I do have one copy of the A1298c mutation. Interesting. 8 years after I stopped getting hives, we found my thyroid cancer. > > > > Is there another gene defect which causes schizophrenia which is related to > methionine cycle? I have read some info from Pfeiffer's studies. I am > wondering which gene defect corresponds to his undermethylated-high > histamine type.These people need to supplement methionine and calcium and > don't do well on folic acid according to Pfeiffer. > > thanks > nil > Re: Re: MTHFR > > > I have the A1298C - one copy. I supplement with Methyl B12 shots, Folinic > Acid, DMG and Choline. Yes the schizophrenia is related to this. It makes > me sad because with what I know now I could have helped my dad I believe. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 Dr. Brownstein researched that as they are in the same pathway but the "experts" he talked to said that DMG was a better product to use. Steph Re: MTHFR> > > What is dmg?> What are the best types of folinic acid and choline?> An interesting link about the copper- there is actually a copper overload syndrome. Go to annlouise.com and click on her nutrition with a mission podcasts.> The one on copper is good. Also ,there are podcasts on cancer and many more.> She is a world renowned nutritionist.> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 , I can't see the attachement? > > The C677T is for heart conditions. The A1298C is for the inability to process Folate, B12 and detox toxins from the body. It is also linked to the inability to create the tyrosine, seretonin and meletonin cycles. I have attached the MTHFR chart. It is located in the middle in a blue box and when this breaks down everything around it does as well. > > Interesting that you have had thyroid cancer and have praternal members with paranoid schizophrenia. I had thyroid cancer and my father had paranoid schizophrenia. Unfortunately he died in 1998 and I have no idea what gene defect he had. My mom is positive for the A1298C as well. > > > > > MTHFR > > > Hi, I noticed there was some past discussion about MTHFR mutation. I tried to find the answer to my question by searching past posts, but I don't think I did: > > Does anyone know what it means to be positive for one copy of the A1298C mutation? It said I am heterozygous for the A1298c mutation and do not have the C677T mutation. > > (I am thyroidless from cancer and hashimotos. My son has autism with very low ferritin, and his MTHFR results are pending from a recent blood draw. My paternal grandmother and aunt had paranoid schizophrenia which my doc believes they may have had MTHFR mutations - they were never tested - this all happened in the olden day.) > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 Hi, What type of doctor tests for these? My sister and cousin have schizophrenia, and I have thyroid disease. And, I am wondering about my kids, both have very low temps, etc. Thanks, > > The C677T is for heart conditions. The A1298C is for the inability to process Folate, B12 and detox toxins from the body. It is also linked to the inability to create the tyrosine, seretonin and meletonin cycles. I have attached the MTHFR chart. It is located in the middle in a blue box and when this breaks down everything around it does as well. > > Interesting that you have had thyroid cancer and have praternal members with paranoid schizophrenia. I had thyroid cancer and my father had paranoid schizophrenia. Unfortunately he died in 1998 and I have no idea what gene defect he had. My mom is positive for the A1298C as well. > > > > > MTHFR > > > Hi, I noticed there was some past discussion about MTHFR mutation. I tried to find the answer to my question by searching past posts, but I don't think I did: > > Does anyone know what it means to be positive for one copy of the A1298C mutation? It said I am heterozygous for the A1298c mutation and do not have the C677T mutation. > > (I am thyroidless from cancer and hashimotos. My son has autism with very low ferritin, and his MTHFR results are pending from a recent blood draw. My paternal grandmother and aunt had paranoid schizophrenia which my doc believes they may have had MTHFR mutations - they were never tested - this all happened in the olden day.) > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 I think most Dr's will. Doctors will test for it under the pretense of checking for heart issues. It is associated with high homocystine levels. We have not tested our kids but my husband has it and so do I so my kids have it. Insurance will probably not cover kids because they are not at risk of heart conditions. Steph MTHFR> > > Hi, I noticed there was some past discussion about MTHFR mutation. I tried to find the answer to my question by searching past posts, but I don't think I did:> > Does anyone know what it means to be positive for one copy of the A1298C mutation? It said I am heterozygous for the A1298c mutation and do not have the C677T mutation.> > (I am thyroidless from cancer and hashimotos. My son has autism with very low ferritin, and his MTHFR results are pending from a recent blood draw. My paternal grandmother and aunt had paranoid schizophrenia which my doc believes they may have had MTHFR mutations - they were never tested - this all happened in the olden day.)> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 Yes,i was referring to his work. I could not understand clearly if you lost your life because if his work or if he helped you.Sorry for your mother and sisters. thanks. nil Re: Re: MTHFR are you referring to Carl Pfieiffer? I saw him at Brain Bio Center in Princeton NJ. I was so sick after a partial thyroidectomy and no meds. I lost 30 years of my life and am only alive today b/c I got a computer. my mother and sisters struggle with mental illness. Gracia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 If this question was for me,he suggests l-methionine for undermethylated high histamine persons. You may wish to make a search on high-histamine under-methylated pfeiffer OR walsh. bw nil Re: MTHFR > What type of methionine supplements? It is amazing how much better I feel > since taking calcium citrate. And d3. > The budwig protocol stresses daily sun exposure for d3. > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 I really don't know.It may not mean that. he is mentioning about brain histamine.I think Whole blood histamine abd absolute basophil count tests needs to be taken in order to be able to decide on that. bw nil Re: MTHFR > Hi, > You mention high histamine and undermethylation - I used to get hives > every single day for 10 years of my life - usually as a response to a > cold, damp, or chilly environment. Was that a clue to my > undermethylation? I do have one copy of the A1298c mutation. > Interesting. 8 years after I stopped getting hives, we found my thyroid > cancer. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 --- hi , i was also tested for MTHFR after having 3 misscarriages and came back positive . I was given high doses of folic acid and vitB12 ,also low dose of aspirin during pregnancy , but after delivery my doctor did not say anthing to continue folic acid and vitb12. Should I start taking myself? Also if somebody want to go lab test with no insurance they can go to Any LabTestnow, it is new lab in some states they are partners with Quest and Labcorb but their prices are much lower than them. In iodine , " julie_2girls " <julie_2girls@...> wrote: > > Wow! I have the MTFHR C677 and A1289C disorder too! I went to a > hemotologist after some bone loss (avascular necrosis) and a > miscarriage. Just thought there was some connection. She took 17 > viles of blood and said I have homecysteinemia. I was told that > could increase my risk for blood clots. She wants me on high dose of > folic acid - 5mg. So it sounds like too much. I don't take that much > but would love to learn more about the connection to the thyroid. > I didn't see the chart you mentioned and where to buy the > right folic acid? > > Amazing what we have in common. Where is the best place to get more > information about this? I wonder if my kids should be tested. Do > both parents have to be the carrier? My hand out says it " occurs in > 10% of the general population it is either inherited autosomal > recessive disorder caused by deficiency of the enzyme cystathione-B- > synthase or acquired homocysteinemia " . Not sure if that is accurate. > > Always more to learn.. > > Thanks! > > > >> > > > >> Hello, > > > >> > > > >> Val from the Thyroid group referred me over here when I > > asked > > > > about > > > >> MTHFR...she mentioned that was familiar with the > > > > issue. > > > >> > > > >> I am a patient of Dr. B. and he told me this week of MTHFR > > and > > > > how > > > >> they have recently discovered it's role in metabolism and > > how > > > > they > > > >> are finding thyroid patients are having this issue. He > also > > > > thinks > > > >> is likely what my problem is. > > > >> > > > >> He said I wouldn't be able to find much about it on the > > > > Internet as > > > >> related to metabolism and he is right (mostly about > > pregnancy > > > > is all > > > >> I can find). > > > >> > > > >> I looked up a few posts on the topic but I wondered if > > anyone > > > > out > > > >> here has been diagnosed, or at least suspected, of this > > problem > > > > and > > > >> what they are doing about it? Also, any tests that have > been > > > > done to > > > >> confirm the diagnosis? > > > >> > > > >> Any comments / thoughts would be greatly appreciated. > > > >> > > > >> Dave > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2009 OH interesting, I still have his book Mental and Elemental Nutrients. I went to see him b/c I was sooo sick after partial thyroidectomy. He gave me vitamins which helped a little but didn't know about the thyroid thing. it was 30 years after the surgery b4 I got thyroid meds--when I got a computer and could start to figure it out. (actually Broda MD gave me Armour thyroid but I couldn't tolerate it and thought I didn't need it). I needed iodine and adrenal meds first. Gracia Yes,i was referring to his work. I could not understand clearly if you lost your life because if his work or if he helped you.Sorry for your mother and sisters.thanks.nil Re: Re: MTHFRare you referring to Carl Pfieiffer? I saw him at Brain Bio Center in Princeton NJ. I was so sick after a partial thyroidectomy and no meds. I lost 30 years of my life and am only alive today b/c I got a computer.my mother and sisters struggle with mental illness.Gracia No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2009 My MD and ND both holistic doctors told me I would need at least 800 mg of the reduced form of folic acid - 5-Tetrahydrofolate or Folinic Acid for the rest of my life. I use the DMG product which has other cofactors. You can see it here www.purezenhealth.com Steph Re: MTHFR ---hi , i was also tested for MTHFR after having 3 misscarriages and came back positive . I was given high doses of folic acid and vitB12 ,also low dose of aspirin during pregnancy , but after delivery my doctor did not say anthing to continue folic acid and vitb12. Should I start taking myself? Also if somebody want to go lab test with no insurance they can go to Any LabTestnow, it is new lab in some states they are partners with Quest and Labcorb but their prices are much lower than them.In iodine , "julie_2girls" <julie_2girls@...> wrote:>> Wow! I have the MTFHR C677 and A1289C disorder too! I went to a > hemotologist after some bone loss (avascular necrosis) and a > miscarriage. Just thought there was some connection. She took 17 > viles of blood and said I have homecysteinemia. I was told that > could increase my risk for blood clots. She wants me on high dose of > folic acid - 5mg. So it sounds like too much. I don't take that much > but would love to learn more about the connection to the thyroid. > I didn't see the chart you mentioned and where to buy the > right folic acid?> > Amazing what we have in common. Where is the best place to get more > information about this? I wonder if my kids should be tested. Do > both parents have to be the carrier? My hand out says it "occurs in > 10% of the general population it is either inherited autosomal > recessive disorder caused by deficiency of the enzyme cystathione-B-> synthase or acquired homocysteinemia". Not sure if that is accurate.> > Always more to learn..> > Thanks!> > > >> > > > >> Hello,> > > >> > > > >> Val from the Thyroid group referred me over here when I > > asked > > > > about > > > >> MTHFR...she mentioned that was familiar with the > > > > issue.> > > >> > > > >> I am a patient of Dr. B. and he told me this week of MTHFR > > and > > > > how > > > >> they have recently discovered it's role in metabolism and > > how > > > > they > > > >> are finding thyroid patients are having this issue. He > also > > > > thinks > > > >> is likely what my problem is.> > > >> > > > >> He said I wouldn't be able to find much about it on the > > > > Internet as > > > >> related to metabolism and he is right (mostly about > > pregnancy > > > > is all > > > >> I can find).> > > >> > > > >> I looked up a few posts on the topic but I wondered if > > anyone > > > > out > > > >> here has been diagnosed, or at least suspected, of this > > problem > > > > and > > > >> what they are doing about it? Also, any tests that have > been > > > > done to > > > >> confirm the diagnosis?> > > >> > > > >> Any comments / thoughts would be greatly appreciated.> > > >> > > > >> Dave> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2009 Add me to this group. I have C677T but not the A1298C. Hashi thyroid. My second baby was born Down's Syndrome (died in infancy) and when I went to natural therapist MD recently because of breast cancer dx, she said as soon as I mentioned my Down's baby, she knew I was deficient in B-folate/folic acid. The blood tests she ordered confrimed I had inherited 2 copies of C677T. Very interesting connections here - my dad died of heart attack, Alzheimer runs in family at advanced age. The high dosages of vits/mins my Dr. has provided me have made a big difference in how I'm feeling. - Nona Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2009 I'm just coming in on the top here but I thought for a moment I was on the autism lists because a lot of those children have this MTHFR also! nona bernard schrieb: > > Add me to this group. I have C677T but not the A1298C. Hashi > thyroid. My second baby was born Down's Syndrome (died in infancy) > and when I went to natural therapist MD recently because of breast > cancer dx, she said as soon as I mentioned my Down's baby, she knew I > was deficient in B-folate/folic acid. The blood tests she ordered > confrimed I had inherited 2 copies of C677T. Very interesting > connections here - my dad died of heart attack, Alzheimer runs in > family at advanced age. The high dosages of vits/mins my Dr. has > provided me have made a big difference in how I'm feeling. > - Nona > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 05/03/2009 19:32 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 > > My MD and ND both holistic doctors told me I would need at least 800 mg of the reduced form of folic acid - 5-Tetrahydrofolate or Folinic Acid for the rest of my life. I use the DMG product which has other cofactors. You can see it here www.purezenhealth.com > > Steph > > Hi Steph, Coming back to this topic because there's just been an interview on TV (in Australia) about MTHFR and Folinic Acid. The main things that it seems to say it helps with are weightloss and depression. Have you found that it makes a difference with those? I ask because suddenly I have a lot of people coming in to buy folinic acid and wanting to know a bit more about it. Gail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 No it did not help with weight loss - I was not depressed as that was fixed with BHrt & Armour. It seemed to give me more energy, clarity of mind and more endurance in weight lifting. Steph Re: MTHFR >> My MD and ND both holistic doctors told me I would need at least 800mg of the reduced form of folic acid - 5-Tetrahydrofolate or FolinicAcid for the rest of my life. I use the DMG product which has othercofactors. You can see it here www.purezenhealth.com>> Steph>>Hi Steph,Coming back to this topic because there's just been an interview on TV(in Australia) about MTHFR and Folinic Acid. The main things that itseems to say it helps with are weightloss and depression. Have you foundthat it makes a difference with those? I ask because suddenly I have alot of people coming in to buy folinic acid and wanting to know a bitmore about it.Gail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Thankyou, You lift weights as well as everything else you do! Inspiring. Gail > > > > My MD and ND both holistic doctors told me I would need at least 800 > mg of the reduced form of folic acid - 5-Tetrahydrofolate or Folinic > Acid for the rest of my life. I use the DMG product which has other > cofactors. You can see it here www.purezenhealth.com > > > > Steph > > > > > > Hi Steph, > > Coming back to this topic because there's just been an interview on TV > (in Australia) about MTHFR and Folinic Acid. The main things that it > seems to say it helps with are weightloss and depression. Have you found > that it makes a difference with those? I ask because suddenly I have a > lot of people coming in to buy folinic acid and wanting to know a bit > more about it. > > Gail > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Don't be too impressed. I gave up my YMCA membership last spring. It was just getting to be too much for me to spend 1 hour driving back and forth and then getting a workout in on top of it. Now I workout at home on my treadmill and use my Wii Fit Balance Board and EA Active program to get some exercise. While we have nice weather I can get outside but I am in MI and time is fleeting for that. We have been so cold and rainy this week. My workout has followed this mood and I need to get on top of it. So at the movement I am not juggling things well at all. LOL! Steph Re: MTHFR Thankyou,You lift weights as well as everything else you do! Inspiring.Gail> >> > My MD and ND both holistic doctors told me I would need at least 800> mg of the reduced form of folic acid - 5-Tetrahydrofolate or Folinic> Acid for the rest of my life. I use the DMG product which has other> cofactors. You can see it here www.purezenhealth.com> >> > Steph> >> >>> Hi Steph,>> Coming back to this topic because there's just been an interview on TV> (in Australia) about MTHFR and Folinic Acid. The main things that it> seems to say it helps with are weightloss and depression. Have youfound> that it makes a difference with those? I ask because suddenly I have a> lot of people coming in to buy folinic acid and wanting to know a bit> more about it.>> Gail> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
