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Hi Jen --

Welcome to the group. My ped doesn't always agree with me, but since my

kids are rarely sick, he really can't make me feel like a bad mother. I

think it just bothers him that I challenge what he recommends, and that on

those rare occasions when one of my kids is ill, he knows that if he writes

a prescription, I probably won't fill it.

Anyway, I'm . I live in NY, married to the love of my life, and we

have 2 terrific kids, DS 17 and DD 12 - both partially vaxed, and my passion

is helping individuals and families overcome health challenges from a

nutritional approach.

I look forward to getting to know you.

Health & blessings,

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and a lot of money!

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Hi Nicola --

Welcome to the group. I'm . I live in NY with my DH and 2 kids -- DS

17 and DD 12, both partially vaxed. Funny you should mention that your DS

got whooping cough in spite of the vaccine. As a young child, my DS had a

severe allergic reaction to the whooping cough vaccine, so he was only

partially vaxed (that's when I started to question vaccine safety), and

about 2 years ago he got whooping cough. He didn't have the " whoop " , it was

just a persistent cough, and he was able to play lacrosse and football

despite the cough. I didn't even realize that's what he had till he was

coughing for a few weeks and I figured I should get him checked out by

the doctor. Thankfully his immune system is strong and the cough was more

annoying than painful -- I know that's not ususally the case. :-(

I look forward to getting to know you.

Health & blessings,

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and a lot of money!

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Hi Patty --

Welcome to the group -- it's very supportive, and there's a lot of great

info.

I'm . My DH and I live in NY with our 2 kids, DS 17 and DD 12 - both

partially vaxed. My passion is helping individuals and families overcome

health challenges from a nutritional approach.

I look forward to getting to know you.

Health & blessings,

Project MAHMA -- Moms At Home Making A difference...

and a lot of money!

http://www.ExcitingHealth.CreateMyFuture.com

http://www.ThisIsYourShot.biz

http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

1-866-312-8064

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Thanks !!

good to meet you to!!

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Hi Jen --

Welcome to the group. My ped doesn't always agree with me, but since my

kids are rarely sick, he really can't make me feel like a bad mother. I

think it just bothers him that I challenge what he recommends, and that on

those rare occasions when one of my kids is ill, he knows that if he writes

a prescription, I probably won't fill it.

Anyway, I'm . I live in NY, married to the love of my life, and we

have 2 terrific kids, DS 17 and DD 12 - both partially vaxed, and my passion

is helping individuals and families overcome health challenges from a

nutritional approach.

I look forward to getting to know you.

Health & blessings,

Project MAHMA -- Moms At Home Making A difference...

and a lot of money!

http://www.ExcitingHealth.CreateMyFuture.com

http://www.ThisIsYourShot.biz

http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

1-866-312-8064

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Thank you. I know it's better to take baby steps. I like using my pedometer, but you wouldn't believe all the times I hit the buttons and cancel out my steps. But I figure as long as I am moving my body, I'm doing good.

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Good for you! That is one of those small steps. You will be so surprised as too how much of a difference cutting some of the small stuff out can make. I'm still taking little steps too but I think all these small steps is making me more aware of what I'm doing. My stepometer fell off my waist yesterday and broke:( Ahh well. they didnt have all these fancy gadgets in the old days. Noone really needs them anyhow.

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Hi Marla, This group is wonderful. They have been a GREAT support to me when no one else was. I hope you will continue to join and post and get some great support too.

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Thanks for the reply Bill. I would defiantly like to hear your

experiences with SMA. I found out 3 years ago what I have after being

told several other disease. I would appreciate that very much. You can

E-mail me privately also whatever works for you.

Terry

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no late night munching GREAT JOB!!!!eeyore1959@... wrote: I have to share this. I did not eat last night before bed. I just kept thinking about all of you, and how supportive you all are. It's like you all gave me strength. Live, Love, Laugh

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that is hard - do you have an alternante snack while she's snacking? Popcorn is one of my favorites :) fear of failure is strong (come to think of it so is fear of sucess), but with you as a role model - who knows - you both me snacking on veggies <GBG>eeyore1959@... wrote: Oh I am just like you. If I don't see it, I don't think about it, and I don't want it. But it's hard when she sits and snacks in front of me. But I am trying. I did talk with her yesterday about the snacks, and she agreed to keep them someplace I can't find. I kind of think she does want to lose too, but is afraid to try, afraid of failing. So I need to be strong, to show her a positive side. Live, Love, Laugh

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Thanks so much. I've had a good last few days. I weigh in on monday. So I'm hoping.

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no late night munching GREAT JOB!!!!eeyore1959@... wrote:

I have to share this. I did not eat last night before bed. I just kept thinking about all of you, and how supportive you all are. It's like you all gave me strength. Live, Love, Laugh 100-Plus Files page 100-plus/files100-Plus Links page 100-plus/links

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Your right. Instead if fighting the urge to snack with her, it would be easier and maybe more productive to have a healthy snack at the same time. I love popcorn, and baby carrots. I never thought about the fear of success. But it makes sense. Thanks

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that is hard - do you have an alternante snack while she's snacking? Popcorn is one of my favorites :) fear of failure is strong (come to think of it so is fear of sucess), but with you as a role model - who knows - you both me snacking on veggies <GBG>eeyore1959@... wrote:

Oh I am just like you. If I don't see it, I don't think about it, and I don't want it. But it's hard when she sits and snacks in front of me. But I am trying. I did talk with her yesterday about the snacks, and she agreed to keep them someplace I can't find. I kind of think she does want to lose too, but is afraid to try, afraid of failing. So I need to be strong, to show her a positive side. Live, Love, Laugh 100-Plus Files page 100-plus/files100-Plus Links page 100-plus/links

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Hi Sara --

Welcome to the group. I'm , and I live in NY with my DH and 2 terrific

kids, and I wish I'd had curiosity about vaccines when I was 16 -- Happy

learning, there's lots of info here.

I look forward to getting to know you.

Health & blessings,

Project MAHMA -- Moms At Home Making A difference...

and a lot of money!

http://www.ExcitingHealth.CreateMyFuture.com

http://www.ThisIsYourShot.biz

http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

1-866-312-8064

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Hi ,

Thanks for the warm welcome.

I have to admit it's cynicism as much as curiosity,

lol. I've already learned a lot - hope to continue

doing so.

-Sara

--- P <ExcitingHealth@...> wrote:

> Hi Sara --

>

> Welcome to the group. I'm , and I live in NY

> with my DH and 2 terrific

> kids, and I wish I'd had curiosity about vaccines

> when I was 16 -- Happy

> learning, there's lots of info here.

>

> I look forward to getting to know you.

>

> Health & blessings,

>

>

> Project MAHMA -- Moms At Home Making A difference...

> and a lot of money!

>

> http://www.ExcitingHealth.CreateMyFuture.com

>

> http://www.ThisIsYourShot.biz

>

> http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

>

> 1-866-312-8064

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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On Feb 17, 2006, at 5:16 PM, wrote:

> Hello everyone!

>

> My name is and I'm a soapmaker with 9 years under my belt.

> Or is it 10? I can never remember anymore. I've been doing it forever.

> *lol* At any rate, I've wanted to learn more about the mysteries of

> scent for a long time as I'm not really happy with using fragrance

> oils in my products any more. I received some perfume from a friend (who I

> truly admire) and it made me want to learn more. So, here I am.

> *waving hello from Minnesota*

>

>

> Hi .

I am from Minnesota too! I currently live in California, but was home

for a month, just got back yesterday. Glad to be out of 30 below!!!

Welcome. Do you sell your soap in MN?

Jo

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< I am from Minnesota too! I currently live in California, but was home

for a month, just got back yesterday. Glad to be out of 30 below!!!

Welcome. Do you sell your soap in MN?>

*waving* Hi Jo! Where in California do you live? My Mom migrated

that way and is currently down in San Diego. And, yep. I do sell my

soap in MN along with a few other places (my wholesale accounts). I

don't know if posting a link is appropriate so I'll err on the side of

caution and not post it. ;o)

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On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:51 PM, wrote:

> < I am from Minnesota too! I currently live in California, but was

> home

> for a month, just got back yesterday. Glad to be out of 30 below!!!

> Welcome. Do you sell your soap in MN?>

>

> *waving* Hi Jo! Where in California do you live? My Mom

> migrated

> that way and is currently down in San Diego. And, yep. I do sell my

> soap in MN along with a few other places (my wholesale accounts). I

> don't know if posting a link is appropriate so I'll err on the side of

> caution and not post it. ;o)

>

>

>

> I live in Los Angeles. Usually the first of the month you can post

> your site and any discounts etc. that you want people to know

> about. You can e-mail me privately if you want with your site. I

> would love to check it out! Nice to meet a fellow Minnesotan!

MJ

>

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Hi Sara --

Cynicism works -- it all leads to questioning, and that's a good thing! :-)

On 2/15/06, Sara <jade_phoenix128@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for the warm welcome.

> I have to admit it's cynicism as much as curiosity,

> lol. I've already learned a lot - hope to continue

> doing so.

>

> -Sara

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Welcome , you will. There are a lot of nice people here who are quite

helpful.

When you're ready to procede, there are tons of recipes on the internet to

choose from.

I just started making my own soaps about 2 months ago. Before that I did the

M & P thing for several years. Since I've started, I've made about 15 batches of

CP and HP soaps, 1 shampoo, and 2 bubble baths--in addition to still using the

M & Ps!

It's so addicting--once you get started--and if you're into herbs, there are

tons of things you can do with herbs and soaps!

Hope you have fun, enjoy.

G.

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My name is and I live in San Diego with my Marine husband and kids.

I am a massage therapist and would love to create some of my own products. I am

in the process now of making eye pillows and such, but want to know more about

making scrubs and soaps and candles to sell. I think I am going to enjoy this

group.

Thanks for allowing me to join.

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Welcome LeAnn! I think in time you might change your mind in regards to your

statement below about vaccines. : )

Kay

LeAnn <wineredroses@...> wrote:

I do not feel that vaxes are evil or wholly bad things, but they are not

right for my family specifically.

LeAnn

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I

> can't find other examples of people with arthritis getting

> chrondromalacia. The chrondromalacia usually comes before the

> arthritis, not the other way around.

I'm not sure what you mean. Chondromalacia is a form of arthritis;

Main Entry: ar·thri·tis

Pronunciation: är-'thrI-t & s

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural ar·thrit·i·des /-'thri-t & - " dEz/

Etymology: Latin, from Greek, from arthron

: inflammation of joints due to infectious, metabolic, or constitutional

causes; also : a specific arthritic condition

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Chondromalacia means " cartilage inflammation " ......although doctors say

cartilage cannot get inflammed.....but that is another story ;). Welcome to

the Twilight Zone of knee problems :). Would you be talking about

osteoarthritis? That is just another form of arthritis.

Mike

MT

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Hi Mike

I've only been reading about this condition since yesterday, but

sites seem to say that chondromalacia in adults is a type of

arthritis, but chrondromalacia in children isn't. Maybe I

understood it wrong. The info I've found says having chondromalacia

as a child does not make you more susceptible to arthritis as an

adult.

Ah... here we go.. found this website

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9339/31202.html

which lists causes of chondromalacia

....start quote....

Many different types of joint injuries and joint disorders can lead

to chondromalacia. In the knee, chondromalacia is usually related to

injury, overuse of the knee, and poorly aligned muscles and bones

around the knee joint. These causes include:

Trauma, especially a fracture (break) or dislocation of the kneecap

An imbalance of the muscles around the knee (Some muscles are weaker

than others.)

Overuse (repeated bending or twisting) of the knee joint, especially

during sports

Poorly aligned muscles or bones near the knee joint

Injury to a meniscus (C-shaped cartilage inside the knee joint)

Rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis

An infection in the knee joint

Repeated episodes of bleeding inside the knee joint

Repeated injections of steroid drugs into the knee

.....end quote......

So arthritis can be a cause. My daughter has very short/tight/weak

muscles in her knees/ankles and doesn't have a normal range of

movement in these joints (she was born like that) so I guess that

makes her even more suspectible.

People with chondromalacia aren't put on prescription arthritis

drugs and don't see rheumatologists.. so why is it classed as

arthritis?

Donna

Australia

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I think chondromalacia is sometimes lumped in with arthritis because a lot of

doctors are lazy & don't use their brains. I think arthritis is in the list of

things that can cause chondromalacia because, sure, if your articular cartilage

is deteriorating from osteoarthritis, you may have spots that deteriorate faster

than others and those " divots " look like chondromalacia. But I think REAL

chondromalacia is due to one of the other causes. And docs who dismiss it as

arthritis are saying they don't want to put the energy into dealing with it.

Have you looked up SaluCartilage? It's possible that it's been approved for use

in Australia. It's been approved in Europe and Canada (but not, of course, the

US, because the FDA likes to wait & see what happens to Europeans for about

15-20 years before they'll approve new procedure or devices -- but not, you'll

notice, drugs, which they're paid big money by the pharmaceutical company to

approve before they're ready). Pardon my soapbox.

SaluCartilage is plugs made of the same polymer that contact lenses are made of,

but way tougher. If all you have is spots of worn cartilage and they're not too

big, the OS goes in, drills out a clean hole where the spots are, pushed the

plugs in, and voila! You can use your legs again. I've written the company

that makes them (in the US -- ironic?) to ask when they expect the FDA to

approve it here but they never answer me.

Ann

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Hi Mike

I've only been reading about this condition since yesterday, but

sites seem to say that chondromalacia in adults is a type of

arthritis, but chrondromalacia in children isn't. Maybe I

understood it wrong. The info I've found says having chondromalacia

as a child does not make you more susceptible to arthritis as an

adult.

Ah... here we go.. found this website

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9339/31202.html

which lists causes of chondromalacia

...start quote....

Many different types of joint injuries and joint disorders can lead

to chondromalacia. In the knee, chondromalacia is usually related to

injury, overuse of the knee, and poorly aligned muscles and bones

around the knee joint. These causes include:

Trauma, especially a fracture (break) or dislocation of the kneecap

An imbalance of the muscles around the knee (Some muscles are weaker

than others.)

Overuse (repeated bending or twisting) of the knee joint, especially

during sports

Poorly aligned muscles or bones near the knee joint

Injury to a meniscus (C-shaped cartilage inside the knee joint)

Rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis

An infection in the knee joint

Repeated episodes of bleeding inside the knee joint

Repeated injections of steroid drugs into the knee

....end quote......

So arthritis can be a cause. My daughter has very short/tight/weak

muscles in her knees/ankles and doesn't have a normal range of

movement in these joints (she was born like that) so I guess that

makes her even more suspectible.

People with chondromalacia aren't put on prescription arthritis

drugs and don't see rheumatologists.. so why is it classed as

arthritis?

Donna

Australia

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Donna:

When I was originally classified as having CP my doc made this

explanation:

I had bad knees - and had them my whole life. Had I been diagnosed

at a much younger age I would have been told I had chrondromalacia

patella - but because I was over 40(I am 42 now) I had

osteoarthritis (oh joy oh bliss!). He explained that they are one

and the same - just a different name depending on the age of the

patient.

I have had this condition since I was a chld - and my history sounds

not unlike your daughter's. The difference being - I stopped

strenuous activities. I found myself overweight and I still had the

problems...just now I had the weight to lose too. Please talk to

your doctor and a physiotherapist to find out what activities your

daughter can participate in. I started physical exercise again and

because of it I was able to reduce the symptoms of the CP.

She should concentrate of quadricep muscle strengthening. This will

help " tighten " her knee and reduce the pain (believe it or not!).

Where in AU are you? I have many friends in Sydney!

I hope that your daughter is holding up well - this can be a

struggle.

Hugs & blessings,

Kim

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In the first place, chondromalacia is a name doctors give anterior knee pain

when they really don't know what is causing it. Fortunately children with

it usually fully recover without harsh treatment. I was under the treatment

of a rheumatologist, and took many different types of prescription arthritis

drugs for it. The only one that really worked for me was Vioxx, but I quit

taking it about a month before it was taken off the market because it was

giving me severe headaches. I had undiagnosed severe pain in both knees for

years in my teens, but was relatively painfree for about 25 years after

that. I am now 50 and have gone through 4 arthroscopic surgeries and have

managed to reach a point where I can function in life hopefully for years

yet.

Mike

MT

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Hi Kim

Thanks for your message, and explaining that osteoarthritis and

chondromalacia are the same, but it depends on the age of the

patient. I am feeling confused about it still as others are saying

a different thing.

My daughter is overweight, I just did a conversion from kilograms to

pounds so you could understand what I am talking about. My 10 year

old weighs 121 pounds, which is the size of some adults (that is

55kgs). So she is quite big. The weight problem started the same

year as the arthritis. So losing weight is a huge issue for her,

and it's not like we haven't tried.. we've been to dieticians,

special university programs, plus lots of other things and nothing

works. It is very hard to convince her to do any sort of exercise,

even going for a simple short walk bring complaints about sore this

and sore that.

I have a very skinny friend (weighs less than my daughter) who used

to be very large (she has lost almost double her weight. She has

osteoarthritis in her back and a few other joints (her knees re Ok

though) but even when she lost so much weight, it made no difference

to the level of pain in her joints.

Thanks for the advise as to talking to the physio and doctors about

activities. I will do that when we see the physio next week.

In Brisbane which is north of Sydney.

It's interesting that you had knee pain as a child and it continued

all this time. I have a feelign that is that same thing my daughter

is in for.

Donna

Australia

>

> Donna:

>

> When I was originally classified as having CP my doc made this

> explanation:

>

> I had bad knees - and had them my whole life. Had I been

diagnosed

> at a much younger age I would have been told I had chrondromalacia

> patella - but because I was over 40(I am 42 now) I had

> osteoarthritis (oh joy oh bliss!). He explained that they are one

> and the same - just a different name depending on the age of the

> patient.

>

> I have had this condition since I was a chld - and my history

sounds

> not unlike your daughter's. The difference being - I stopped

> strenuous activities. I found myself overweight and I still had

the

> problems...just now I had the weight to lose too. Please talk to

> your doctor and a physiotherapist to find out what activities your

> daughter can participate in. I started physical exercise again

and

> because of it I was able to reduce the symptoms of the CP.

>

> She should concentrate of quadricep muscle strengthening. This

will

> help " tighten " her knee and reduce the pain (believe it or not!).

>

> Where in AU are you? I have many friends in Sydney!

>

> I hope that your daughter is holding up well - this can be a

> struggle.

>

> Hugs & blessings,

>

> Kim

>

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