HELP!!!

[Guest guest]

If they'll send you without taking it go for it.

squawking7500@... wrote:

> From: squawking7500@...

>

> hello all, I have refused the shot earlier last month. I have orders

> for

> Korea I am continually refusing the shot. I am to receive a field

> grade 15

> today but my commander keeps telling me that she will PCS me to Korea

> whether

> I take the shot or not. Is this possible? I really do not want to go

> to

> Korea to start this whole mess all over again. It would be a waste of

> time

> sending me there if I won't take it. If anyone has been in a similiar

> instance

> or has any good answers for me then please HELP ME!!!

[Guest guest]

They'd probably send her and then try to force her once she is over there -

far away from home.

Sheri

>squawking7500@... wrote: From: squawking7500@... hello all, I

>have refused the shot earlier last month. I have orders for

>Korea I am continually refusing the shot. I am to receive a field grade 15

>today but my commander keeps telling me that she will PCS me to Korea

whether

>I take the shot or not. Is this possible? I really do not want to go to

>Korea to start this whole mess all over again. It would be a waste of time

>sending me there if I won't take it. If anyone has been in a similiar

instance

>or has any good answers for me then please HELP ME!!!

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[Guest guest]

I thought it was agaist regulation to send someone to Korea without at

least 2 anthrax vac's.

[Guest guest]

They were going to send Jerry to Saudi with one. They haven't abided by

any other regulations why start now?

Jeanette wrote:

> From: Jespl@... (Jeanette)

>

> I thought it was agaist regulation to send someone to Korea without at

>

> least 2 anthrax vac's.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/15/2000 7:38:32 PM Mountain Standard Time,

snakken@... writes:

<<

>squawking7500@... wrote: From: squawking7500@... hello all, I

>have refused the shot earlier last month. I have orders for

>Korea I am continually refusing the shot. I am to receive a field grade 15

>today but my commander keeps telling me that she will PCS me to Korea

whether

>I take the shot or not. Is this possible? I really do not want to go to

>Korea to start this whole mess all over again. It would be a waste of time

>sending me there if I won't take it. If anyone has been in a similiar

instance

>or has any good answers for me then please HELP ME!!!

>>

ANY UPDATE ON THIS SITUATION?

[Guest guest]

Have you thought about making an appt to see a children's pyschiatrist (spelling

is wrong) ? I know that they aren't many in our area (OHIO). We have alot of

pyschologist that deals with autism but they can't prescribe medicine. Perhaps

her other doctors (pediatrician & neurologist) could make a referral call to

help you get in sooner. I am sure that the appt wait time may be a few months. I

believe in our area the average wait time to see a specialist is 6-8mos unless

its a life threatening. Our pediatrician is reluctant to prescribe meds without

seeing a pyschiatrist since she doesn't deal with these type of drugs (like

zoloft/paxil) in the younger children. My thoughts are with your family --

HELP!!!

OK... We have reached a time when I must do something drastic.

Things have been increasingly getting worse behavior wise and then

tonight after telling our 8 year old it was time to go to the store

and leave the playground she spit at her father... which is something

completely unacceptable to me, regardless of her diagnosis. Her

punishment for this was no ice cream.. fairly mild, IMO, from here

she began praying for God to take her to the land of spoiled brats

where she might be allowed to eat all the ice cream and candy she

ever wanted and could pick her scabs and be mean to her sister...

then it escalated to her telling me how she was going to get a boy in

our neighborhood whom she calls her boyfriend to kill her father and

I. I am not too concerned she could actually accomplish this feat at

this age BUT, I also know it won't be long before she can... SO... I

am thinking I need to call the doc asap and get some new meds or do

something before this gets any worse... she also threatened to punch

me in the stomach, which wouldn't normally bother me but I am

pregnant at the moment. I tell you, I am fearful she CAN at this

point, hurt her 3 year old sister... sorry to be going on and on and

venting about my own child but I honestly don't know that a new med

can help us and wonder where else am I to go from here. We have been

seeing a neurologist for meds, but is there a better option?

Thanks for listening!

Lyn

[Guest guest]

Lyn,

Is there a large university/hospital in your area?? We recently started

seeing a new psych (at Stanford) & he also suggested getting psych testing

on my daughter. During the intake questions re the psych testing (over the

phone) - they asked if my daughter has ever felt suicidal, had suicidal

thoughts (as far as I know - no). (The psych testing will be in Sept.).

I guess (??) since your situation has gotten 'desperate' - try contacting a

large university/hospital's psych dept. Of course, as you know - no

promises your situation will improve - but hopefully it will!!

Good luck,

Mona

HELP!!!

OK... We have reached a time when I must do something drastic.

Things have been increasingly getting worse behavior wise and then

tonight after telling our 8 year old it was time to go to the store

and leave the playground she spit at her father... which is something

completely unacceptable to me, regardless of her diagnosis. Her

punishment for this was no ice cream.. fairly mild, IMO, from here

she began praying for God to take her to the land of spoiled brats

where she might be allowed to eat all the ice cream and candy she

ever wanted and could pick her scabs and be mean to her sister...

then it escalated to her telling me how she was going to get a boy in

our neighborhood whom she calls her boyfriend to kill her father and

I. I am not too concerned she could actually accomplish this feat at

this age BUT, I also know it won't be long before she can... SO... I

am thinking I need to call the doc asap and get some new meds or do

something before this gets any worse... she also threatened to punch

me in the stomach, which wouldn't normally bother me but I am

pregnant at the moment. I tell you, I am fearful she CAN at this

point, hurt her 3 year old sister... sorry to be going on and on and

venting about my own child but I honestly don't know that a new med

can help us and wonder where else am I to go from here. We have been

seeing a neurologist for meds, but is there a better option?

Thanks for listening!

Lyn

[Guest guest]

Thanks ladies... we are in a decent area so we should be able to find

lots of options..I will call our local autism resource center

tomorrow as well and see if they can recommend anything. I greatly

appreciate your concern... I had so hoped things would never come

this far... I am also going to hunt for a pharmapsychologist.. anyone

have experience with these? I did not even know they existed until

reading a book on psychiatric meds for children.. still don't know

how to go about finding one though!

Lyn

[Guest guest]

please unsubscribe me--thanks

--- monee101 <monee101@...> wrote:

> Thanks ladies... we are in a decent area so we

> should be able to find

> lots of options..I will call our local autism

> resource center

> tomorrow as well and see if they can recommend

> anything. I greatly

> appreciate your concern... I had so hoped things

> would never come

> this far... I am also going to hunt for a

> pharmapsychologist.. anyone

> have experience with these? I did not even know

> they existed until

> reading a book on psychiatric meds for children..

> still don't know

> how to go about finding one though!

>

> Lyn

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I would suggest you make an appointment with someone SOON & not wait several

months for an appointment with anyone. I assume(?) if you explain your

situation (e.g. pregnant & fearing she might hurt you) - you should

hopefully get an appointment soon.

Good luck

Mona

Re: HELP!!!

Thanks ladies... we are in a decent area so we should be able to find

lots of options..I will call our local autism resource center

tomorrow as well and see if they can recommend anything. I greatly

appreciate your concern... I had so hoped things would never come

this far... I am also going to hunt for a pharmapsychologist.. anyone

have experience with these? I did not even know they existed until

reading a book on psychiatric meds for children.. still don't know

how to go about finding one though!

Lyn

[Guest guest]

I would be nervous about her talking that way too! I would be

very nervous about it. I have a friend that her RAD daughter makes up

stories all the time and there afraid of abuse charges on these stories. I

hope you are able to find a phyologist that is good. Charlene

-- HELP!!!

OK... We have reached a time when I must do something drastic.

Things have been increasingly getting worse behavior wise and then

tonight after telling our 8 year old it was time to go to the store

and leave the playground she spit at her father... which is something

completely unacceptable to me, regardless of her diagnosis. Her

punishment for this was no ice cream.. fairly mild, IMO, from here

she began praying for God to take her to the land of spoiled brats

where she might be allowed to eat all the ice cream and candy she

ever wanted and could pick her scabs and be mean to her sister...

then it escalated to her telling me how she was going to get a boy in

our neighborhood whom she calls her boyfriend to kill her father and

I. I am not too concerned she could actually accomplish this feat at

this age BUT, I also know it won't be long before she can... SO... I

am thinking I need to call the doc asap and get some new meds or do

something before this gets any worse... she also threatened to punch

me in the stomach, which wouldn't normally bother me but I am

pregnant at the moment. I tell you, I am fearful she CAN at this

point, hurt her 3 year old sister... sorry to be going on and on and

venting about my own child but I honestly don't know that a new med

can help us and wonder where else am I to go from here. We have been

seeing a neurologist for meds, but is there a better option?

Thanks for listening!

Lyn

[Guest guest]

I'm very sorry you and your family are going through such trying times. I

can relate as my daughter is going through puberty and has been having a

tough time, but not to the extent of your daughter. Just in my personal and

professional experience( both special ed teacher and ABA trainer) when we

took our daughter off all dairy products, we saw a tremendous decrease in

aggressiveness. I have work with several boys whose parents have done the

same and also saw marked improvements in their temperment and aggression. As

I saw your daughter eats ice cream, I'm assuming she eats dairy products.

She may not be able to break down the casein protein. Just my two cents

worth.

My best,

HELP!!!

> OK... We have reached a time when I must do something drastic.

> Things have been increasingly getting worse behavior wise and then

> tonight after telling our 8 year old it was time to go to the store

> and leave the playground she spit at her father... which is something

> completely unacceptable to me, regardless of her diagnosis. Her

> punishment for this was no ice cream.. fairly mild, IMO, from here

> she began praying for God to take her to the land of spoiled brats

> where she might be allowed to eat all the ice cream and candy she

> ever wanted and could pick her scabs and be mean to her sister...

> then it escalated to her telling me how she was going to get a boy in

> our neighborhood whom she calls her boyfriend to kill her father and

> I. I am not too concerned she could actually accomplish this feat at

> this age BUT, I also know it won't be long before she can... SO... I

> am thinking I need to call the doc asap and get some new meds or do

> something before this gets any worse... she also threatened to punch

> me in the stomach, which wouldn't normally bother me but I am

> pregnant at the moment. I tell you, I am fearful she CAN at this

> point, hurt her 3 year old sister... sorry to be going on and on and

> venting about my own child but I honestly don't know that a new med

> can help us and wonder where else am I to go from here. We have been

> seeing a neurologist for meds, but is there a better option?

>

> Thanks for listening!

>

> Lyn

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i'm new to the group, but do you use timeout for bad behavior? ABA

therapy (behavioral psychologist) can do wonders and it is

scientifically proven effective. my daughter, age 5-1/2, has been

on zoloft for 3-1/2 yrs and it greatly increases her awareness and

aids in alleviating depression/crying, but she does not take it for

aggression or non-compliance. these are things that the ABA therapy

handled very effectively. good luck - dian

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> Have you thought about making an appt to see a children's

pyschiatrist (spelling is wrong) ? I know that they aren't many in

our area (OHIO). We have alot of pyschologist that deals with autism

but they can't prescribe medicine. Perhaps her other doctors

(pediatrician & neurologist) could make a referral call to help you

get in sooner. I am sure that the appt wait time may be a few

months. I believe in our area the average wait time to see a

specialist is 6-8mos unless its a life threatening. Our pediatrician

is reluctant to prescribe meds without seeing a pyschiatrist since

she doesn't deal with these type of drugs (like zoloft/paxil) in the

younger children. My thoughts are with your family --

> HELP!!!

>

>

> OK... We have reached a time when I must do something drastic.

> Things have been increasingly getting worse behavior wise and

then

> tonight after telling our 8 year old it was time to go to the

store

> and leave the playground she spit at her father... which is

something

> completely unacceptable to me, regardless of her diagnosis. Her

> punishment for this was no ice cream.. fairly mild, IMO, from

here

> she began praying for God to take her to the land of spoiled

brats

> where she might be allowed to eat all the ice cream and candy

she

> ever wanted and could pick her scabs and be mean to her

sister...

> then it escalated to her telling me how she was going to get a

boy in

> our neighborhood whom she calls her boyfriend to kill her father

and

> I. I am not too concerned she could actually accomplish this

feat at

> this age BUT, I also know it won't be long before she can...

SO... I

> am thinking I need to call the doc asap and get some new meds or

do

> something before this gets any worse... she also threatened to

punch

> me in the stomach, which wouldn't normally bother me but I am

> pregnant at the moment. I tell you, I am fearful she CAN at

this

> point, hurt her 3 year old sister... sorry to be going on and on

and

> venting about my own child but I honestly don't know that a new

med

> can help us and wonder where else am I to go from here. We have

been

> seeing a neurologist for meds, but is there a better option?

>

> Thanks for listening!

>

> Lyn

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Friends,

Dr. Robbins is an excellent doctor in Tulsa (OK) who treats via

mail. I know him personally, and have studied under him.

You can find some info here:

http://www.wellnessclinics.com/

Sincerely,

Bob

[Guest guest]

Here's a better link:

http://www.wellnessclinics.com/mailhealth.htm

> -----Original Message-----

> From: J. Borer [mailto:rjb007@...]

>

> Friends,

>

> Dr. Robbins is an excellent doctor in Tulsa (OK) who treats via

> mail. I know him personally, and have studied under him.

>

> You can find some info here:

>

> http://www.wellnessclinics.com/

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Bob

[Guest guest]

Hey poison!

Is the pain kinda like your muscle isnt long enough as it reaches your knee on

the inside?it feels like its kinda stretching its best to reach yor knee?

......god that all sounds weird after reading what I wrote.......

I've started taking those tablets as well since Fri but I find they make me

really thirsty! As for the physio.....I was at that 3 times a week and I didnt

find it any good really!But hey different strokes for different folks!

Jean

" poisonpenpal <poisonpenpal@...> " <poisonpenpal@...> wrote:I was

originally diagnosed with Chondromalacia last year, and have

had cortisone injections to deal with the pain. However, the past

month I have had a different type of pain -a sharp, burning pain on

the left side of my right knee joint. At first my doctor thought it

was a torn menicus because the symptoms matched, however he states

that after a MRI it's just Chondromalacia and there's nothing I can

do about it. I'm tempted to go for a second opinion but I don't know

if it's worth it. My doctor said the best he can do for me is send me

to physical therapy three times a week for four weeks, with no

guarantee of improvement. What should I do? I've purchased some

glucusamine chronditin hopefully that will help my suffering. In the

meantime, I still have this sharp burning pain. Anyone with

suggestions, please help!

[Guest guest]

Get a second and third opinion -- keep seeking answers and help for the

pain.

Dianne

----- Original Message -----

From: <poisonpenpal@...>

> I was originally diagnosed with Chondromalacia last year, and have

> had cortisone injections to deal with the pain. However, the past

> month I have had a different type of pain -a sharp, burning pain on

> the left side of my right knee joint. At first my doctor thought it

> was a torn menicus because the symptoms matched, however he states

> that after a MRI it's just Chondromalacia and there's nothing I can

> do about it. I'm tempted to go for a second opinion but I don't know

> if it's worth it. My doctor said the best he can do for me is send me

> to physical therapy three times a week for four weeks, with no

> guarantee of improvement. What should I do? I've purchased some

> glucusamine chronditin hopefully that will help my suffering. In the

> meantime, I still have this sharp burning pain. Anyone with

> suggestions, please help!

>

[Guest guest]

Crikey Diane that was quick! We just dont have the doctors here or the

knowledge.The guy I saw told me it would get better in 6 months!!!! thats a load

of crap from what I've been reading! What country are you in??

voices <voices@...> wrote:Get a second and third opinion -- keep seeking

answers and help for the

pain.

Dianne

----- Original Message -----

From: <poisonpenpal@...>

> I was originally diagnosed with Chondromalacia last year, and have

> had cortisone injections to deal with the pain. However, the past

> month I have had a different type of pain -a sharp, burning pain on

> the left side of my right knee joint. At first my doctor thought it

> was a torn menicus because the symptoms matched, however he states

> that after a MRI it's just Chondromalacia and there's nothing I can

> do about it. I'm tempted to go for a second opinion but I don't know

> if it's worth it. My doctor said the best he can do for me is send me

> to physical therapy three times a week for four weeks, with no

> guarantee of improvement. What should I do? I've purchased some

> glucusamine chronditin hopefully that will help my suffering. In the

> meantime, I still have this sharp burning pain. Anyone with

> suggestions, please help!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

A simple contusion *might* feel better in six months, but if you

injured the knee after having adapted to how you had to walk following ankle

and knee injuries, then your system may not be willing/able to accommodate

walking differently with the pain from that hit to the knee. Been there.

Done that.

I live in the rural US, in the California desert. The nearest

doctors are 50 or more miles away from home. Physical therapists? We don't

have any locally at all. So, I have the doctor tell me exercises I am

supposed to be doing, all a cousin in New York who is a physical therapist

and we work out a program. For the present, my range of motion is quite

good. The injections (steroids) that I had last week have helped a lot, but

there is a strain situation to deal with, so I am careful about what I do

with these knees. I refuse to kneel on them,'t but that's okay, because

God understands. <smile>

My husband drives a huge over-the-road tractor-trailer rig and I can

climb up into it and down out of it with no problems. I do feel some pain,

but it is less painful to climb than it is to walk some days. I haven't

seen an orthopedic surgeon as yet, only read the opinions of the two who

were asked to review my MRI results.

Starting on January 2, 2003, I will begin the Synvisc injections and

we will go from there. If those injections work, then they can be repeated

at six-month intervals. So, if I have good success with them, I will repeat

them. If not, then I guess we are going to talk to the doctor about surgery

(again).

Dianne

----- Original Message -----

From: " jean mcdonald " <mushypea007@...>

>

> Crikey Diane that was quick! We just dont have the doctors here or the

knowledge.The guy I saw told me it would get better in 6 months!!!! thats a

load of crap from what I've been reading! What country are you in??

> voices <voices@...> wrote:Get a second and third opinion -- keep

seeking answers and help for the

> pain.

>

> Dianne

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Dianne...

Injections and surgery would be the very last on my list.I'd say its not even

possible to have it done here.Im having a really difficult time getting a knee

brace (have u tried that?) There is one place here that has them but its not as

up to date as the ones in the US . Well I'm gonna try and start with the physio

and see how it goes tonight. Will let ye all know what she says.Meant to be a

very good Physio.....lets see how good she is!

Jean

voices <voices@...> wrote:Hi,

A simple contusion *might* feel better in six months, but if you

injured the knee after having adapted to how you had to walk following ankle

and knee injuries, then your system may not be willing/able to accommodate

walking differently with the pain from that hit to the knee. Been there.

Done that.

I live in the rural US, in the California desert. The nearest

doctors are 50 or more miles away from home. Physical therapists? We don't

have any locally at all. So, I have the doctor tell me exercises I am

supposed to be doing, all a cousin in New York who is a physical therapist

and we work out a program. For the present, my range of motion is quite

good. The injections (steroids) that I had last week have helped a lot, but

there is a strain situation to deal with, so I am careful about what I do

with these knees. I refuse to kneel on them,'t but that's okay, because

God understands. <smile>

My husband drives a huge over-the-road tractor-trailer rig and I can

climb up into it and down out of it with no problems. I do feel some pain,

but it is less painful to climb than it is to walk some days. I haven't

seen an orthopedic surgeon as yet, only read the opinions of the two who

were asked to review my MRI results.

Starting on January 2, 2003, I will begin the Synvisc injections and

we will go from there. If those injections work, then they can be repeated

at six-month intervals. So, if I have good success with them, I will repeat

them. If not, then I guess we are going to talk to the doctor about surgery

(again).

Dianne

----- Original Message -----

From: " jean mcdonald " <mushypea007@...>

>

> Crikey Diane that was quick! We just dont have the doctors here or the

knowledge.The guy I saw told me it would get better in 6 months!!!! thats a

load of crap from what I've been reading! What country are you in??

> voices <voices@...> wrote:Get a second and third opinion -- keep

seeking answers and help for the

> pain.

>

> Dianne

>

[Guest guest]

How far are you from your next meal? Can you just drink a couple of

glasses of water and distract yourself? How about some hot tea?

Some people will say to go for the cocoa, but for myself, I find it

easier to be perfect than to just cheat a little. If I cheat at all

then I have to decide what is the line between an " acceptable " cheat

and an " unacceptable " cheat. Easier to just not cheat.

Lynda

[Guest guest]

---

I ate at 10:30, but it was a real food meal, so shouldnt I have a

meal replacement for this meal now, thats what I usually do.

I will pass on the cocoa, its not worth it. as for the water, I am on

64oz!!!! I am going to float away!!! But a couple sips cant hurt

Jen

In , " lyndaesp <lyndaesp@y...> "

<lyndaesp@y...> wrote:

> How far are you from your next meal? Can you just drink a couple

of

> glasses of water and distract yourself? How about some hot tea?

> Some people will say to go for the cocoa, but for myself, I find it

> easier to be perfect than to just cheat a little. If I cheat at

all

> then I have to decide what is the line between an " acceptable "

cheat

> and an " unacceptable " cheat. Easier to just not cheat.

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

Good for you for passing on the cocoa, and great on the water intake

so far! I know Bill talks about using meal replacements for your in

between meals, but remember, you can have 6 whole food meals if you

want. I prefer that because they fill me up more and are more

rounded with less suger than the meal replacements. I eat a ton of

veggies to keep me full too.

Lynda

[Guest guest]

There really isn't a way to make it go faster. If you claim to be an

addict then you must use the " just for today " approach. Thinking in

the long term only causes anxiety and problems. Days turn into

weeks, which turn into months, etc. and eventually you'll be where

you want to be by just sticking to it. Cutting down on calories will

only slow your progress because your body will just want to hang

onto fat even more. Your meals look ok. Cottage cheese is a very

high quality source of protein and so are egg whites. If you're

hungry you can always eat tons of steamed or raw broccoli, or

spinach leaves for the crunch factor. Keep at this, you'll get there.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

> Hi folks,

>

> Well, my head is running today. I want to speed up the

> " process. " I'm really happy with my results at the

> gym, but I want it to go faster!!! I'd like to cut

> down on the calories I'm eating, but don't want to go

> into hypo symtoms. This sucks being an addict. I

> either want all the food, or none of it! Just want to

> put it out there...getting it off my chest helps. I

> have to remember that I'm not a " normal " person. I am

> an addict. That's why I weigh and measure my food!

>

From one addict to another <G>, I know how you feel. But like Stasia

said, there really isn't any way to make it work faster. Just try to

be patient and it will all fall into place.

The only thing I'd suggst on your menu is to add veggies although

maybe you just didn't list them.

Colleen