gallstones

[Guest guest]

I'm by no means an expert in gallbladders, but from what I

understand, the liver produces bile which aids in the digestion of

fat. The gallbladder stores the bile that the liver produces. But

even if the gallbladder is removed, the liver still produces the bile

that aids in digestion of fat. The difference is that if the

gallbladder is removed, then there is no storage place for the bile,

and the bile just goes directly into the intestine. It is believed

that the production of bile is cyclic, so people without gallbladders

are sometimes advised to eat meals regularly--that is breakfast,

lunch, and dinner should be eaten the same time each day. People

with gallbladders, have the bile stored in the gallbladder, so it

isn't as important for them to eat at regular times each day because

the gallbladder will secrete the bile as necessary.

Marla

> >> If anyone knows of any " official " looking sites about how

someone

> without a gallbladder can still eat a lot of fat, I'd appreciate

it.

> I think it will take more than " someone on this user group said... "

> to counteract The Doctor's Advice (said with a certain amount of

> gravity. <<

>

> You know, my surgeon literally told me to eat all the fat I wanted.

Where exactly is this idea coming from, that if you have no gall

bladder you can't eat fat? My mom had hers out just last fall and no

one said anything to her about not eating fat either.

>

> Christie

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Diane,

I apologize for not responding quick enough. I'm sorting out the 215 emails

in my box right now :-)

6-12 is the " advanced usage " dose. I was taking 8. If you can afford it,

I'd keep the advanced dosage for the three months recommended; if you can't, I'd

lower it (gradually) when the symptoms go away.

For maximum effectiveness Jordan Rubin advises to stay away from starches and

disacharide sugars for digestive problems, which means using fruits,

vegetables, raw honey, and only milk that's been fermented as kefir or yogurt

for 30

hours as carbs. While that might not be pratical for you I'd advise at least

staying away from grains and potatoes and fermenting your milk to taste rather

than drinking it fresh. The PD is potent stuff and will be effective without

draconian diet modifications, however good an idea they are.

Chris

Chris

In a message dated 8/6/03 11:56:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

diane.c.jewett@... writes:

>

>

>

> <<<<<I'll add that I had gut problems for a month producing fatty stools and

> my

> fatty stools were eliminated through a single day of taking high-dose Primal

>

> Defense.

> >>>>>>

>

>

> How high a dose?

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

Chris-

Jordan Rubin is a PD guy? Anyway, interesting that his advice resembles

the SCD so closely, though I'd say 30 hours is overkill and will actually

reduce the population of beneficial organisms in yoghurt, while it's

probably not enough for kefir, depending on the fermentation conditions.

>For maximum effectiveness Jordan Rubin advises to stay away from starches and

>disacharide sugars for digestive problems, which means using fruits,

>vegetables, raw honey, and only milk that's been fermented as kefir or

>yogurt for 30

>hours as carbs.

-

[Guest guest]

> I'm by no means an expert in gallbladders, but from what I

> understand, the liver produces bile which aids in the digestion of

> fat. The gallbladder stores the bile that the liver produces. But

> even if the gallbladder is removed, the liver still produces the bile

> that aids in digestion of fat. The difference is that if the

> gallbladder is removed, then there is no storage place for the bile,

> and the bile just goes directly into the intestine.

Yes. I like to say I now have unmitigated gall.

Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

Oo, another tip: find someone who raises animals and make friends with them!

I got a whole lamb for $50, it's organic and pastured and has lasted me the

summer!

Chris

In a message dated 8/7/03 4:21:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> I can offer one little piece of advice that helped me: get a membership to

> a Costco, if you have one nearby. They don't have organic stuff, but at

> least you can live without so many carbs. I can buy beef shoulder there

> for $1.29/lb (boneless) and just cut it up into big roasts. Carrots are

> $2.99

> for a huge bag (about 10 lbs, I think). Broccoli is about $4 for a huge bag,

> and that is just the nice tops, no stems. A 20-lb roast lasts a LONG time

> and costs about $30.

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/9/03 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Jordan Rubin is a PD guy? Anyway, interesting that his advice resembles

> the SCD so closely, though I'd say 30 hours is overkill and will actually

> reduce the population of beneficial organisms in yoghurt, while it's

> probably not enough for kefir, depending on the fermentation conditions.

,

Jordan Rubin owns Garden of Life which markets Primal Defense. Gottschall

says the longer the better with yogurt that if you " forget " about it and let it

culture longer, all the better. I personally have no idea. There's someone

who markets " Probiogurt " in WT, which I think JR recommends, and they do it for

30 hours. Maybe they have research showing 30 is ideal. I personally have

no idea.

As for kefir, all depends on the temp. I was fermenting mine for 48 hours,

but lately in the heat-wave, the jar is literally half whey after just 24.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/14/03 11:11:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> She does say it's OK if it goes to 30 hours, but she actually believes

> 24-hour yoghurt is best. Too much further and the beneficial bacteria

> start dying off for lack of food, and you start to lose the probiotic

> effect.

Hmm... maybe she changed her position since writing BTVC?

" Pour milk into any appropriate sized container, cover, and let stand FOR AT

LEAST 24 HOURS at 100-110F. (If you forget to remove it after 24 hours, and

the fermentation goes on longer, all the better.) " (her emphasis, bold in the

book)

BTVC, p 132

Chris

[Guest guest]

Chris-

She does say it's OK if it goes to 30 hours, but she actually believes

24-hour yoghurt is best. Too much further and the beneficial bacteria

start dying off for lack of food, and you start to lose the probiotic effect.

>Gottschall

>says the longer the better with yogurt that if you " forget " about it and

>let it

>culture longer, all the better.

-

[Guest guest]

Chris-

Based on conversations with her, I don't think she meant " 30 hours " by " all

the better " . More like " 24 and half hours, or 25 hours " , as in " you don't

have to be precise as long as it's not less than 24 hours " . But I could be

wrong.

>Hmm... maybe she changed her position since writing BTVC?

>

> " Pour milk into any appropriate sized container, cover, and let stand FOR AT

>LEAST 24 HOURS at 100-110F. (If you forget to remove it after 24 hours, and

>the fermentation goes on longer, all the better.) " (her emphasis, bold in the

>book)

>

>BTVC, p 132

-

[Guest guest]

Christie,

>You know, my surgeon literally told me to eat all the fat I wanted.

>Where exactly is this idea coming from, that if you have no gall

>bladder you can't eat fat? My mom had hers out just last fall and no

>one said anything to her about not eating fat either.

My friend's doctor said to avoid eating fatty meals. Whereas yours

said just the opposite. Sounds like you had the better one.

However, I have a new development to report and that is that my

friend, who is Indian, decided to discard all mainstream advice and

simply go back to eating her traditional diet, made possible because

her mother-in-law moved in and started cooking up a storm. Gone is

all the processed and take-out food, etc., that my friend subsisted

on as a hard-working, work visa, software company employee, and in

its place is all the yummy Indian food she always loved, fortunately

made in the traditional manner with ghee or peanut oil. She says she

feels great, and she looks great too. Looks like she's going to be

fine and we have sufficient conversational fodder again.

in Berkeley

[Guest guest]

Wow! A live in Chef. Gotta love it!!

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:30:14 -0000

" soynomore " <singlesourcepubs@...> wrote:

> However, I have a new development to report and that is that my

> friend, who is Indian, decided to discard all mainstream advice and

> simply go back to eating her traditional diet, made possible because

> her mother-in-law moved in and started cooking up a storm. Gone is

> all the processed and take-out food, etc., that my friend subsisted

> on as a hard-working, work visa, software company employee, and in

> its place is all the yummy Indian food she always loved, fortunately

> made in the traditional manner with ghee or peanut oil. She says she

> feels great, and she looks great too. Looks like she's going to be

> fine and we have sufficient conversational fodder again.

>

> in Berkeley

>

[Guest guest]

The pain starts out slow and gradually gets worse if you are having an attack

(stuck stone and inflammation of the gall bladder). The pain gets about as

intense as feeling like a hot charcoal stuck in there under your ribs. Blood

pressure rises and you have no desire to eat, and you might vomit bile. My

first attacks were simple nausea, and inablitlity to digest simple fats. I got

past my first attack with morphine and delauded (sp?) but a month later I ended

up in the ER in worse pain, distended and inflamed gall bladder and was fearful

of it affecting my pancrease. so I ended up letting them operate, removing the

gall bladder and one huge stone. You can live with gallstones if they stay in

the bottom and don't clog your bile duct. Most don't cause problems. IF you can

get them out before they get as bad as mine, that is best.

alcoolaaron <alcoolaaron@...> wrote: If anyone has had gallstones that

were painful, please tell me when

you started to feel pain and how was the pain.

[Guest guest]

hi ya friends,

just an urgent query,does gallstones cause missed periods???

thanks

mini