Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 Someone just posted this on the misc health alternative newsgroup. In this website it states that Dr says gallstones is caused by wearing shoes. Scroll to the bottom. Has anyone ever read where she says this? Jan http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Jan, I went to that site. The guy is sincere, and all that, but he is still boxed in with only one way of testing and evaluating real world happenings, and apparently he is proud of that. OK Leo thanks for the reply, but I still want to know if anywhere Hulda has EVER said that gallstones are caused by wearing shoes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Jan, I went to that site. The guy is sincere, and all that, but he is still boxed in with only one way of testing and evaluating real world happenings, and apparently he is proud of that. No one way can work. It's like saying, " one size fits all " , or like Henry Ford said, " buy any colour you want, so long as it's black. For those of us who are into literature, it is a Procrustean Bed approach to accommodate the real world. An Indian scholar has described mainstream economics as a Procrustean Bed. At http://www.bartleby.com/81/13673.html we find the origin of the term, namely, that " Procrustes was a robber of Attica, who placed all who fell into his hands upon an iron bed. If they were longer than the bed, he cut off the redundant part; if shorter, he stretched them till they fitted it. Any attempt to reduce men to one standard, one way of thinking, or one way of acting, is called placing them on Procrustes' bed, and the person who makes the attempt is called Procrustes. " The names of mainstream medical interest groups and individuals and the harm they do, comes to mind. Going back to your post, Jan, the guy actually brags about his Procrustean Bed. Leo ------------------------------------------------ > Someone just posted this on the misc health alternative newsgroup. In this > website it states that Dr says gallstones is caused by wearing shoes. > Scroll to the bottom. Has anyone ever read where she says this? > > Jan > > <A HREF= " http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm " >http://www.pathguy.com/alte rmed.htm</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 In this > website it states that Dr says gallstones is caused by wearing shoes. No diseases is caused by only one or two or just very few causative agents. Sometimes, few causative agents are most important, but still, there are millions of others. Wearing shoes is causative cofactor to any health problem, (not just gallstones) to any person who wears shoes. Human body have been created through millions of years, and for all that time humans didn't wear shoes. Our body is designed to be used barefoot. Can you change genetical design in just few hundreds of years ? Just like for all that time humans have never been exposed to high levels (toxic levels) of metalic mercury, copper, fluoride, thallium, arsenic, iron, nickel, chromium, zinc and of benzen, aspartame, pesticides, antibiotics, preservatives, vaccination ... and all the other toxic gifts of civilised lifestyle (over 1000 carcinogens ... ). Today, we are saying no to free natural foot massage that we get when walking barefoot. People even wear shoes on seaside, beach, on the grass ... Walk barefoot in the clean nature (not in the city, or village) and you will boost your health, and eliminate. Agnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe Dr. advises against wearing shoes! In fact, quite the opposite! Not wearing shoes, especially outdoors, is a good way to pick up certain parasites. I'd like to know the URL of that website so we can set them straight. Jan Bolen (Tim & Jan Bolen - JuriMed) That also was my thinking, but don't set them straight until you know sure! Jan http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe Dr. advises against wearing shoes! In fact, quite the opposite! Not wearing shoes, especially outdoors, is a good way to pick up certain parasites. I'd like to know the URL of that website so we can set them straight. Jan Bolen (Tim & Jan Bolen - JuriMed) --- Agnes <dusan@...> wrote: > In this > > website it states that Dr says gallstones is > caused by > wearing shoes. > > > No diseases is caused by only one or two or just > very few causative > agents. > > Sometimes, few causative agents are most important, > but still, there > are millions of others. > > > Wearing shoes is causative cofactor to any health > problem, (not just > gallstones) to any person who wears shoes. > > > Human body have been created through millions of > years, and for all > that time humans didn't wear shoes. > Our body is designed to be used barefoot. > > Can you change genetical design in just few hundreds > of years ? > > Just like for all that time humans have never been > exposed to high > levels (toxic levels) of metalic mercury, copper, > fluoride, thallium, > arsenic, iron, nickel, chromium, zinc and of benzen, > aspartame, > pesticides, antibiotics, preservatives, vaccination > ... and all the > other toxic gifts of civilised lifestyle (over 1000 > carcinogens ... ). > > > Today, we are saying no to free natural foot massage > that we get when > walking barefoot. People even wear shoes on seaside, > beach, on the > grass ... > > Walk barefoot in the clean nature (not in the city, > or village) and > you will boost your health, and eliminate. > > Agnes > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Have you heard of doing liver/gall bladder flushes, which flush the stones out? I have done a few and seen the buggers first hand. Also got rid of gall bladder pain that way. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: belladormente Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: Gallstones Unfortunately I have gallstones. The doctor said that I should have my gallbladder removed sometime in the future. Also I was adviced to stay away from acidic and fatty foods. Ok well I know that usually when I have horrible pain it just comes and goes out of the blue so I can't pinpoint it to anything I ate. I do suffer from heartburn but I did notice that diminishing the amount of grains I eat usually helps. Another thing I was able to pinpoint was that chocolate gives me heartburn(really bad)as well as certain red wines unfortunately I never know which ones until after I drink it(only on occasion) Does anyone here have similar problems or know of something that would help? Thanks in advance B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 When I was in my mid-teens, my mom and I got involved with a multi-level-marketing direct sales company called Equinox that sold supplements, shark liver oil, three-stage water filtration systems, and a bunch of other stuff. It was actually a really good company, but the owner got greedy and was being a real bastard to everyone and so a bunch of people sued him under some stupid " pyramid scheme " law and he lost his empire. Anyway, the owner told a story about how he got involved with natural health. He had an inflamed organ, I think it was gall bladder but can't remember. The doctor's told him they had to take it out, but had to wait for the inflammation to go down. He was in horrible shape, felt like he was dying, etc, etc, then ended up in Mexico somehow and got treated with herbal remedies and his inflammation disappeared. The docs apparently thought that was the right time to do the operation, but he though, wait a minute, if the inflammation is *gone* what they hell do I need an operation for??? Chris In a message dated 3/6/03 6:22:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Idol@... writes: > >The doctor said that I should have > >my gallbladder removed sometime in the future. > > From what I've read, this procedure is unwarranted practically all the > time; it seems to be one more medical outrage perpetrated on an unwitting > populace. I'm not dispensing medical advice, but personally I'd never ever > get my gallbladder removed. What might help you as well as dietary changes > (avoid sugar and starches, particularly all refined forms of carbs, avoid > antinutrients, avoid preservatives and additives) is supplementation with > digestive enzymes (pancreatin) and perhaps even stomach acid in the form of > betaine hydrochloride. Something to consider, anyway. ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Bella- >The doctor said that I should have >my gallbladder removed sometime in the future. From what I've read, this procedure is unwarranted practically all the time; it seems to be one more medical outrage perpetrated on an unwitting populace. I'm not dispensing medical advice, but personally I'd never ever get my gallbladder removed. What might help you as well as dietary changes (avoid sugar and starches, particularly all refined forms of carbs, avoid antinutrients, avoid preservatives and additives) is supplementation with digestive enzymes (pancreatin) and perhaps even stomach acid in the form of betaine hydrochloride. Something to consider, anyway. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 , I know too many people who had this done and about half of them tell me that it is not worth it as it doesn't solve their indigestion. To be honest I am not thrilled with having the surgery as I only get that horrible pain once in a great while, nothing I can do about it. >What might help you as well as dietary changes This alone has made a difference but I still get heartburn just not as often. > digestive enzymes (pancreatin) and perhaps even stomach acid in the form of > betaine hydrochloride. Where can I buy these enzymes? Thanks! B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Me too. The flushes are great. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> < > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Gallstones > Have you heard of doing liver/gall bladder flushes, which flush the stones out? I have done a few and seen the buggers first hand. Also got rid of gall bladder pain that way. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: belladormente > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:05 PM > Subject: Gallstones > > > Unfortunately I have gallstones. The doctor said that I should have > my gallbladder removed sometime in the future. Also I was adviced to > stay away from acidic and fatty foods. Ok well I know that usually > when I have horrible pain it just comes and goes out of the blue so > I can't pinpoint it to anything I ate. I do suffer from heartburn > but I did notice that diminishing the amount of grains I eat usually > helps. Another thing I was able to pinpoint was that chocolate gives > me heartburn(really bad)as well as certain red wines unfortunately I > never know which ones until after I drink it(only on occasion) Does > anyone here have similar problems or know of something that would > help? Thanks in advance B. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Donna, I have heard of gall bladder flushes. I am just scared that I will end up in a serious amount of pain and would end up getting my gallbladder removed. Did you experience any pain? The one I read about was using olive oil, lemon juice and something else that I can't recall right now. Thanks, B. > Have you heard of doing liver/gall bladder flushes, which flush the stones out? I have done a few and seen the buggers first hand. Also got rid of gall bladder pain that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Interesting story I will look into some type of alternative medicine for this. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Hi Kat, where can I find more info on this gallbladder flush. Thanks, B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Any article by Hulda (do a web search for either Hulda or Liver Flush), or in her book " A Cure For All Diseases. " If you do the web search, there are a lot of people who have " perfected " the basic flush, which is hundreds of years old. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " belladormente " <belladormente@...> < > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Gallstones > Hi Kat, where can I find more info on this gallbladder flush. > Thanks, B. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 i was told by my doctor that i needed gall bladder removed asap. i decided to do a flush instead, which was completed in 1-1/2 days. i found hundreds of pea green stones, all sizes. i lost weight, and felt clean inside. i will do it again soon (3 weeks later). if u can tell me this is nonsense, i disagree. i would be happy to share any info with those interested. thanks, diana slethnobotanist@... wrote:Hi Christie, Can't go with you here on this one. First, I have seen a guy, who did have a stone stuck, do a flush and later pass the stone without pain. Second, one can " catch " their stones, have them examined, and find out exactly what they are. Removes all the mystery. So while I have no doubt that some people passing stones aren't really passing stones, I see no reason to adopt the establishment view that it is all a bunch of hooey. Maybe beyond their knowledge and experience, but that doesn't make it false. On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:24:03 -0700 " Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote: > >> The malic acid in ACV has the same effect as the citric acid in lemon juice to > my knowledge. Have seen cleanses with both or one of the two. << > > The problem is, the " gallstones " passed by people who do the olive oil and lemon " cleanse " are not gallstones. Have you ever mixed olive oil and lemon juice? When you do, what do you see after letting it sit for a while? > > The olive oil and lemon combined will form a white clump in your stool, which many people mistakenly believe are gall stones. If the bladder could simply pass the stones, it would have already done so. My stone got stuck in my bile duct and I have already explained what that pain was like - not to mention the 4 days in the hospital with emergency surgery for what can be an outpatient procedure, with you asleep in your own bed that night. > > If you try the olive oil and lemon juice " cleanse, " all you're likely to do is send your gall bladder into spasms from the fat in the olive oil, and then think your pain means you passed " stones " when you see clumps in your stool, and it's all a big delusion. The reason so many people believe it was successful is that 30 percent of all people who have a gall bladder attack never have another, and just having stones doesn't mean your gall bladder is diseased. In other words, that emperor is just stark raving naked! > > Christie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 >> . i found hundreds of pea green stones, all sizes. << Did you possibly have any of them analyzed to see if they were gallstones? That is what had mentioned, I'd very much like someone who has done this cleanse to do that, just to see. >> i lost weight, and felt clean inside. << I admit this is a pet peeve of mine, but... were you " dirty " inside before and if so, did you feel dirty? I have this aversion to the whole cleanse/flush/detox mentality about our bodies. I believe that given the right support they heal and maintain themselves and it's not wise to take aggressive approaches to " cleansing " them. Just my personal point of view. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 i have done a lot of research and spoke to friends of mine before the flush. one of the friends had severe attack and after doing the flush, she has never had a problem again. she too was advised by her doctor to have her gall bladder removed. she swears by it. i don't swear by anything, all i know is it APPEARS to have been a good thing. i wouldn't say i felt " dirty " inside, i just felt lighter. who can know anything for sure? diana Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote: >> . i found hundreds of pea green stones, all sizes. << Did you possibly have any of them analyzed to see if they were gallstones? That is what had mentioned, I'd very much like someone who has done this cleanse to do that, just to see. >> i lost weight, and felt clean inside. << I admit this is a pet peeve of mine, but... were you " dirty " inside before and if so, did you feel dirty? I have this aversion to the whole cleanse/flush/detox mentality about our bodies. I believe that given the right support they heal and maintain themselves and it's not wise to take aggressive approaches to " cleansing " them. Just my personal point of view. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 >> one of the friends had severe attack and after doing the flush, she has never had a problem again. she too was advised by her doctor to have her gall bladder removed. she swears by it. i don't swear by anything, all i know is it APPEARS to have been a good thing. << I understand, and as I said, if it turns out I'm wrong I shall cheerfully eat my words! (With a large helping of healthy fat, of course!) A third of all people who have a gall bladder attack never have another one, whether they do a cleanse or not. So that alone isn't really definitive. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 On the liver/gallbladder flush forum in the curezone some people have had their green stones examined and said they where cholesterol and pigment. Probably that is the debris that gets stuck on the walls of the gallbladder when there is not enough movement through it because of the low fat diets we are following. I did a liver flush and it helps similiar to way a bowel cleanse helps your bowels. Some people supposedly pass true calcified gallstones, but they are very small. I am sure true calcified gallstones do not pass with these cleanses. Re: Re:gallstones i have done a lot of research and spoke to friends of mine before the flush. one of the friends had severe attack and after doing the flush, she has never had a problem again. she too was advised by her doctor to have her gall bladder removed. she swears by it. i don't swear by anything, all i know is it APPEARS to have been a good thing. i wouldn't say i felt " dirty " inside, i just felt lighter. who can know anything for sure? diana Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote: >> . i found hundreds of pea green stones, all sizes. << Did you possibly have any of them analyzed to see if they were gallstones? That is what had mentioned, I'd very much like someone who has done this cleanse to do that, just to see. >> i lost weight, and felt clean inside. << I admit this is a pet peeve of mine, but... were you " dirty " inside before and if so, did you feel dirty? I have this aversion to the whole cleanse/flush/detox mentality about our bodies. I believe that given the right support they heal and maintain themselves and it's not wise to take aggressive approaches to " cleansing " them. Just my personal point of view. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 >>>>On the liver/gallbladder flush forum in the curezone some people have had their green stones examined and said they where cholesterol and pigment. Probably that is the debris that gets stuck on the walls of the gallbladder when there is not enough movement through it because of the low fat diets we are following. ------>alternatively, perhaps it's the body's repair mechanism? maybe when the body is flooded with a big dose of UNsaturated oil (olive oil used in the flush), it goes into overdrive to manufacture a lot of cholesterol to buffer or protect the unsaturated fatty acids from oxidation, and to protect cell membranes from excess permeability? That's what it does *in* cell *membranes*, but i don't know if it would do so quickly after ingesting a big dose of unsaturated oil, or wait until all that unsaturated oil got incorporated into cell membranes. IF this were the case, then the flush itself would be the *cause* of the excess cholesterol. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Re: Re:gallstones i have done a lot of research and spoke to friends of mine before the flush. one of the friends had severe attack and after doing the flush, she has never had a problem again. she too was advised by her doctor to have her gall bladder removed. she swears by it. i don't swear by anything, all i know is it APPEARS to have been a good thing. i wouldn't say i felt " dirty " inside, i just felt lighter. who can know anything for sure? diana Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote: >> . i found hundreds of pea green stones, all sizes. << Did you possibly have any of them analyzed to see if they were gallstones? That is what had mentioned, I'd very much like someone who has done this cleanse to do that, just to see. >> i lost weight, and felt clean inside. << I admit this is a pet peeve of mine, but... were you " dirty " inside before and if so, did you feel dirty? I have this aversion to the whole cleanse/flush/detox mentality about our bodies. I believe that given the right support they heal and maintain themselves and it's not wise to take aggressive approaches to " cleansing " them. Just my personal point of view. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Maybe it is the pigment on the walls of the gallbladder that is causing the problems then. There seems there must be a reason that people feel better after doing these flushes. Maybe the cholesterol helps pull the pigment from the walls and open up the gallbladder more so that bile can pass more easily. I hear a high fat diet will fix your gallbladder problems, but if you have trouble with fats and would like to fix things a little quicker. I have only done 2 flushes, but I will continue to try more if it will help me. I still get sick from eating cream or too much butter. Cultured butter is a little better but not that much. When I am not constipated everything I produce floats from all the fat in my stool. I have no gallbladder pain. I just don't digest fats very well and feel hungry all the time on this low carb diets even with eating as much fat as I can handle without getting sick to my stomach. Re: Re:gallstones i have done a lot of research and spoke to friends of mine before the flush. one of the friends had severe attack and after doing the flush, she has never had a problem again. she too was advised by her doctor to have her gall bladder removed. she swears by it. i don't swear by anything, all i know is it APPEARS to have been a good thing. i wouldn't say i felt " dirty " inside, i just felt lighter. who can know anything for sure? diana Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote: >> . i found hundreds of pea green stones, all sizes. << Did you possibly have any of them analyzed to see if they were gallstones? That is what had mentioned, I'd very much like someone who has done this cleanse to do that, just to see. >> i lost weight, and felt clean inside. << I admit this is a pet peeve of mine, but... were you " dirty " inside before and if so, did you feel dirty? I have this aversion to the whole cleanse/flush/detox mentality about our bodies. I believe that given the right support they heal and maintain themselves and it's not wise to take aggressive approaches to " cleansing " them. Just my personal point of view. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 In a message dated 8/5/03 12:56:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, diane.c.jewett@... writes: > When I am not constipated everything I produce floats from all the fat in > my > stool. I have no gallbladder pain. I just don't digest fats very well and > feel hungry all the time on this > low carb diets even with eating as much fat as I can handle without getting > sick to my stomach. Diane, I think this is a relatively serious, though not immediate or threatening, problem and I highly suggest you take as many digestive enzymes as you need (particularly ones with HCl, lipase, and ox bile) to eliminate this problem. I'll add that I had gut problems for a month producing fatty stools and my fatty stools were eliminated through a single day of taking high-dose Primal Defense. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 My friend went on the Craig diet and then shortly after losing the weight she wanted she started having terrible pains. The doctor told her she needed her gallbladder removed and confirmed that the Craig diet is what probably caused her condition--a very low fat diet consisting entirely of crappy, high-carb, processed foods plus lots of salads with low fat dressing. Yet another reason to avoid SALFD--Standard American Low Fat Diets. The sad ending to this story is that while I was on vacation, she went ahead and had the operation, despite my urging she at least get a second opinion, explore some of the traditional alternatives, etc. I had criticized her choice of diet from the outset. But what can you say to someone who actually follows such nonsense to the letter without cheating and actually loses weight? Seems to me, people who want to lose weight above all can be pretty irrational and lose their sense of self-preservation. After the operation, she apologized to me for doubting me on the Craig business. But, I don't have much more to say to her now not having any post-gallbladder removal protocol other than that I believe that she can still safely use and enjoy coconut oil, but that other fats are now definitely and permanently a problem in large doses. We're still friends, but I try to steer the conversation away from food, which for me, is really hard! So, if someone here knows safe food subjects to discuss with a post-gallbladder removal person, I would appreciate it. in Berkeley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Hi , Re. diet after gall bladder removal, see www.ahoa.org.au , click on User Forum and search on gall bladder (two words). This is a high fat diet that apparently is fine for people with gall bladder problems or no gall bladder. >>But what can you say to someone who actually follows such nonsense to the letter without cheating and actually loses weight? << That it's possible to lose weight by eating grass, too.. and look at all the chlorophyl and phytonutrients it contains.. is there maybe a logical fallacy lurking somewhere? ;-) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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