Re: New to group - weight gain on CO

[Guest guest]

On 2011-09-15 7:45 AM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> I'd like to know whether Duncan feels that isolate whey is better than

> concentrate (undenatured).

He's posted his opinion on this many times on this list (he advocates

isolate)...

Most of the 'science' that shows isolates are bad is flawed, or based on

isolates that are made improperly.

I don't remember all of the particulars, and don't have any links handy

(I researched this a while ago), so maybe Duncan will chime in with some

references for you to give you a head start in your research...

[Guest guest]

> > I'd like to know whether Duncan feels that isolate whey is better than

> > concentrate (undenatured).

>

> He's posted his opinion on this many times on this list (he advocates

> isolate)...

>

> Most of the 'science' that shows isolates are bad is flawed, or based on

> isolates that are made improperly.

>

> I don't remember all of the particulars, and don't have any links handy

> (I researched this a while ago), so maybe Duncan will chime in with some

> references for you to give you a head start in your research...

>

Cold filtered whey isolate is liquid concentrate that has been passed through a

ceramic microfilter, which removes virtually all fat and lactose and isolates

the protein content. It doesn't make sense to me that simply passing whey

protein concentrate through a filter would somehow make the resulting isolate

full of MSG and excitotoxins. Cold microfiltering does not heat the protein, nor

does it involve chemically altering it in any way.

[Guest guest]

you don't have to understand or agree, but respect is not a bad idea. i'm just

letting you know that I follow YHWH's command to not drink/eat the blood of an

animal...this means liquid or where you can see the blood...it doen'st mean once

you cook it to medium or medium well. So eating raw meat is not for me, but raw

veggies are awesome, and cats and dogs should eat raw meat and no dry food

> > It's against my beliefs to eat blood, so going raw is not in the cards

> > for me.

>

> Give me a break...

>

> The only way to not eat *any* blood (even incidental blood that exists

> in animal flesh) is to charbroil it until it is gone.

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-09-15 11:00 AM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> i'm just letting you know that I follow YHWH's command to not drink/eat

> the blood of an animal...

Yes, lots of crimes have been committied in the name of YHWY (or Yah, or

Yahweh, or Yeshua, or whatever label you want to put on God).

> this means liquid or where you can see the blood...it doen'st mean

> once you cook it to medium or medium well.

Prove it. The fact is, the blood is still there, you just can't see it.

But whatever twists your girdle...

[Guest guest]

LOL, lighten up : )

> > i'm just letting you know that I follow YHWH's command to not drink/eat

> > the blood of an animal...

>

> Yes, lots of crimes have been committied in the name of YHWY (or Yah, or

> Yahweh, or Yeshua, or whatever label you want to put on God).

>

> > this means liquid or where you can see the blood...it doen'st mean

> > once you cook it to medium or medium well.

>

> Prove it. The fact is, the blood is still there, you just can't see it.

>

> But whatever twists your girdle...

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-09-15 11:06 AM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> LOL, lighten up : )

I'm very light... in fact I'm almost floating I'm so light...

Sorry, that's just how I write (don't expend unnecessary energy trying

to sugar coat or otherwise water anything I say down. I'm a

short/sweet/succinct/direct-to-the-point kind of guy, always have been,

always will be. Some people can't handle it, and to them all I can say

is 'sorry, you can just ignore me, or learn how to use your mail client

to filter out my messages...

[Guest guest]

Duncan, can you explain what is the difference or point of disagreement between

what you are advocating that I do and what Dee is suggesting with the ketogenic

plan? Is it that with your plan of adding whey, selenium, and inulin, and

eating low carbs and MCT or CO, you are not looking at whehter your body goes

into ketosis? In your plan you feel you will help the dysbiosis/candida so that

your thyroid starts to function better and you begin to lose weight, whether or

not you ever got ketones going? And Dee is saying that she achieved the results

of helping her dysbiosis/candida simply by doing a ketogenic diet and NOT adding

the other supps you recommend? I'm just trying to understand the conflict here.

My plan right now is to kind of do both...add the things you recommend, eat high

protein and high fat and very low carbs. Does that sound fine?

BTW, I got a Whey powder last night from the health store...i'll do more

research to get perhaps a better one, but for now I got a undenatured whey

concentrate. Last night I had a serving in the evening, and also took 100mcg

selenium. This morning I woke up WAY more refreshed than normal, so that's a

good sign! : )

Liz

p.s. also going to begin giving the whey to my dad 3 x per day and selenium

200mcg once a day.

> > >

> > > The post you are commenting on below, " carbohydrates should number about

20 grams daily. " as I read it, is only 80 calories in this case. Sound like less

than 500 to you as it does to me? Read and heed.

> > >

> > > all good,

> > >

> > > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

MSG can occur in trace amounts in hydrolysed whey. Isolates aren't really

isolated proteins as much as whey concentrate with an added step of having the

lactose and fat removed. The process can change the protein profile a bit and

it's wise to know what's in your product, but it's not devoid of nutrients and

it's no big deal to people who really know the value of nutrition as they

compensate with several other parts of their diet. The rest of the naysaying

about whey is more about fear and innuendo than fact; it is popularised by a few

zealots who still follow Elaine Gotschall's 55-year-old Specific Carbohydrate

Diet (SCD) in the face of abundant newer evidence that contradicts their

opinion. We know many more facts today than what the well-meaning old girl's

followers rely on.

all good,

Duncan

> > Why? My understanding is that concentrate was better...isolated proteins

> > are not good either - MSG effect.

>

> Your understanding is flawed.

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Chuck : " If you can handle it for a week, NO carbs and LOW fat will

be quite dramatic. " Body builder I just posted about sees ketosis on the fifth

day on a no-carb diet, even though he also ate fat (didn't he?).

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> > If you can handle it for a week, NO carbs and LOW fat will be quite

> > dramatic.

> >

> > After that, adjust carbs and fat according to your daily weigh-in.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

[Guest guest]

Whey isolate is said to be somewhat better absorbed for body building. That

said, I don't mind lactose or milk fat and I've been using blended

non-hydrolysed undenatured isolate/concentrates, but one I tried briefly for

three months was an isolate. The most recent I'm buying now is Kainzen Naturals,

a blend.

However, when someone asks which specifically carries the most glutathione

precursors I have to say Immunocal, which is indeed an isolate. I tried

Immunocal for three months or so before I found products that are 1/8 the cost

and better than 65% as good

So, no I don't think whey isolate is better than concentrate.

I agree that opinion articles against isolates commonly cite only the very worst

practices and worst features of the worst products, which we don't use at all in

health circles except to hold them up as negative examples. Some " afficiandos "

are very careful to not compare good products for their review.

all good,

Duncan

> > I'd like to know whether Duncan feels that isolate whey is better than

> > concentrate (undenatured).

>

> He's posted his opinion on this many times on this list (he advocates

> isolate)...

>

> Most of the 'science' that shows isolates are bad is flawed, or based on

> isolates that are made improperly.

>

> I don't remember all of the particulars, and don't have any links handy

> (I researched this a while ago), so maybe Duncan will chime in with some

> references for you to give you a head start in your research...

>

[Guest guest]

Actually for most folk, three days to ketosis is more typical.

It is for me, and Atkins and other sources seem to agree.

Diet induced ketosis is an optimum condition, and keto stix help you

determine your carb range limit. (how much carb you can take and still

be ketogenic) , but this stuff comes later AFTER you get yourself past

that first tough restrictive week.

Rerefer to my original recommendation, do a week of NO carb, LOW

fat...

BTW a real fun read is perhaps the original Low Carb diet

http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/

Free on line.

Chuck

If we weren't meant to eat animals why are they made of meat?

On 9/15/2011 5:00:25 PM, Duncan Crow (duncancrow@...) wrote:

> I agree with Chuck :

> " If you can handle it for a week, NO carbs and LOW fat will be quite

dramatic. "

> Body builder I just posted about sees ketosis on the fifth day on a no-

> carb diet, even though he also ate fat (didn't he?).

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

> >

> >

>

> > > If you can handle it for a week, NO carbs and LOW fat will be quite

> > > dramatic.

> > >

> > > After that, adjust carbs and fat according to your daily weigh-in.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I never would through of ketones at all... wouldn't lose any weight either

except 10 lbs water... so if it works for you guys, great...

C.

________________________________

From: " cking001@... " <cking001@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, September 15, 2011 6:47:54 PM

Subject: Re: Re: New to group - weight gain on CO

Actually for most folk, three days to ketosis is more typical.

It is for me, and Atkins and other sources seem to agree.

Diet induced ketosis is an optimum condition, and keto stix help you

determine your carb range limit. (how much carb you can take and still

be ketogenic) , but this stuff comes later AFTER you get yourself past

that first tough restrictive week.

Rerefer to my original recommendation, do a week of NO carb, LOW

fat...

BTW a real fun read is perhaps the original Low Carb diet

http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/

Free on line.

Chuck

If we weren't meant to eat animals why are they made of meat?

On 9/15/2011 5:00:25 PM, Duncan Crow (duncancrow@...) wrote:

> I agree with Chuck :

> " If you can handle it for a week, NO carbs and LOW fat will be quite

dramatic. "

> Body builder I just posted about sees ketosis on the fifth day on a no-

> carb diet, even though he also ate fat (didn't he?).

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

> >

> >

>

> > > If you can handle it for a week, NO carbs and LOW fat will be quite

> > > dramatic.

> > >

> > > After that, adjust carbs and fat according to your daily weigh-in.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

@Liz: My experience with adding the inulin, whey and selenium to peoples'

regimes with regard to the bowel dysbiosis is hundreds of people; it follows

adequate research and it is safe, very restorative and actually anti-aging. It's

not anything to do with ketosis although the low carbs and MCT oil help maintain

fitness.

No, I'm not putting my own body into ketosis for weight loss or to gain " extra "

ketones beyond what the MCT oil provides. My wife and parents also take MCT oil

for ketone production; burning it as fuel is all that's required, and all of us

hope to take advantage of the healthier aspects of more ketone body formation

without inducing ketosis because we're not into weight loss.

Body builders have a definite edge IMO when it comes to dropping weight off as

fast as they can, so as I said I tend to go with the body builders' experiences

on weight loss matters and they are usually on low-to-zero-carbs to induce

ketosis.

I have no conflict with Dee on inulin or a lack of it in her diet, and she does

use selenium and whey; her personal observation may seem to conflict with mine

and the research on the face of it but research supports that with this kind of

diet change one naturally has more inulin in the diet because it's in a lot of

foods, some much more than others.

Some of the top inulin roots are garlic, chicory, dahlia, murnong, salsify,

dandelion, burdock, onion, yacon, jicama, elecampagne, thistle root probably;

anyway a lot of historic staple foods are high in inulin, and if you make them

staple foods you can get the required amount or even more, depending on diet. I

don't think some of them will qualify for a low-carb anti-candida diet though;

many people report a lot of gas for example on onions when they have

candidiasis, probably for the sugar content. It would take 6 lbs of fresh onions

to make a serving of a tbsp of inulin according to the chart on my inulin and

bowel dysbiosis resource page:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

People can cure on a low-carb diet over time but many people I know of who had

been on such a diet especially the SCD for more than two years and failed, got

results in 3-6 months once they made sure there was adequate inulin and the

" allowed carbs " were disallowed. That indicates to me the healing time for

everyone across the board could probably be cut in the successful ketogenic

group too with a more direct inulin supplement, and research supports the

notion. Some people disagree, citing an experience of one, but opinions go with

the territory and the research should be discussed anyway.

A ketosis diet is not a requirement for getting rid of dysbiosis/candida, but

feeding the probiotic organisms is. I simply suggest adding some chicory inulin

powder to my whey shake to feed my probiotics. Many health professionals ASSUME

candida involvement along with the dysbiosis unless it is firmly ruled out, and

the powdered inulin with an anti-candida diet is a bit of a shortcut to

correcting dysbiosis without necessarily inducing ketosis. Many people have got

rid of candida in this manner without going into ketosis. Usually there are

enough carbs in the veggies to keep them out of it, like an Atkins diet.

The overweight are often enamoured with the idea of losing weight fast with

ketosis but the overweight are usually carb-addicted so cheat way too much to

stay in ketosis. As a practical matter, the carb limits and good food I suggest

usually suffices to get the fat melting off. I've also found an anti-aging

program with an HGH spiker and pregnenolone to produce metabolic increase, which

will burn fat and build or maintain lean mass.

Undenatured whey is a metabolic increaser too, and a protein that can help one

lose fat weight and also keep the lean toned mass underneath There is a way

at the bottom of my whey page to figure out how to tell them apart based on

ingredients:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan, can you explain what is the difference or point of disagreement

between what you are advocating that I do and what Dee is suggesting with the

ketogenic plan? Is it that with your plan of adding whey, selenium, and inulin,

and eating low carbs and MCT or CO, you are not looking at whehter your body

goes into ketosis? In your plan you feel you will help the dysbiosis/candida so

that your thyroid starts to function better and you begin to lose weight,

whether or not you ever got ketones going? And Dee is saying that she achieved

the results of helping her dysbiosis/candida simply by doing a ketogenic diet

and NOT adding the other supps you recommend? I'm just trying to understand the

conflict here.

>

> My plan right now is to kind of do both...add the things you recommend, eat

high protein and high fat and very low carbs. Does that sound fine?

>

> BTW, I got a Whey powder last night from the health store...i'll do more

research to get perhaps a better one, but for now I got a undenatured whey

concentrate. Last night I had a serving in the evening, and also took 100mcg

selenium. This morning I woke up WAY more refreshed than normal, so that's a

good sign! : )

>

> Liz

> p.s. also going to begin giving the whey to my dad 3 x per day and selenium

200mcg once a day.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chuck,

When you say low fat, do you mean any fat outside of the fat that's in all the

protein you're eating? because eggs, meat, cheese, etc, all have alot of fat, so

do avocados, fish, coconut milk/oil, etc.

And " NO " carb...how low is this? My whey powder has 8 grams of carbs, another

green powder I have that I like has 17, yogurt has some carbs...and obviously

even if I eat the lowest carb veggies and fruits, i'll still get SOME carbs...do

you just judge this based on the ketostix?

today I had zero carbs except for yogurt and the whey shakes, and literally two

bites of rice. I'm doing fine, feeling a little tired, but i'm sure that's

normal.

Liz

> >

> > > > If you can handle it for a week, NO carbs and LOW fat will be quite

> > > > dramatic.

> > > >

> > > > After that, adjust carbs and fat according to your daily weigh-in.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

Thanks for this detailed explanation, I really appreciate it : )

I tried to buy inulin yesterday but no one had it in stock. I guess i'll order

online.

If I follow a ketogenic or at least close to ketogenic diet along w/ your

suggested supplements, do I also need to not eat all fruits for the candida, or

can I still eat berries? And what about yogurt? I'm thinking that with as

little as i've been eating the last couple days, if I cut out yogurt (I eat

maybe one cup per day, if that) and berries (peaches?) too, then i'll really be

hungry!! So far, I have felt hungry, but not at all hypoglycemic or faint or

anything, just a healthy kind of hungry,lol - actually feels good!

I'm def not the body builder type I'm 46, about 25 lbs overweight, really

maybe only 20, but high body fat and very poor muscle tone or stamina. Getting

off gluten and most dairy took care of my joint pains and digestive issues for

the most part. taking hydrocortisone every day helps me survive and have energy

for the day, but barely! I know alot about nutrition, actually have a master's

degree in it...but the brain fog has caused me to have a hard time retaining my

knowledge in some areas! I know I learned all about ketosis, but can't remember

it at all!

I'm glad to have found this board/forum, there seems to be many people with alot

of knowledge that I can learn from : )

Peace,

Liz

> >

> > Duncan, can you explain what is the difference or point of disagreement

between what you are advocating that I do and what Dee is suggesting with the

ketogenic plan? Is it that with your plan of adding whey, selenium, and inulin,

and eating low carbs and MCT or CO, you are not looking at whehter your body

goes into ketosis? In your plan you feel you will help the dysbiosis/candida so

that your thyroid starts to function better and you begin to lose weight,

whether or not you ever got ketones going? And Dee is saying that she achieved

the results of helping her dysbiosis/candida simply by doing a ketogenic diet

and NOT adding the other supps you recommend? I'm just trying to understand the

conflict here.

> >

> > My plan right now is to kind of do both...add the things you recommend, eat

high protein and high fat and very low carbs. Does that sound fine?

> >

> > BTW, I got a Whey powder last night from the health store...i'll do more

research to get perhaps a better one, but for now I got a undenatured whey

concentrate. Last night I had a serving in the evening, and also took 100mcg

selenium. This morning I woke up WAY more refreshed than normal, so that's a

good sign! : )

> >

> > Liz

> > p.s. also going to begin giving the whey to my dad 3 x per day and selenium

200mcg once a day.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'll say, for the week, try to be determined to be as strict as

possible.

NO fruit.

NO grains.

NO milk.

NO white stuff (sugar, flour, potatoes, rice, any starch)

Trim visible fats from meats.

Limit cheese, try for lowfat types. They are OK.

Your whey powder is reasonable with carb load, so OK.

For this one week, limit fatty fish.

Otherwise fish and trimmed meats are OK.

Eggs are OK.

Lowfat Greek yogurt is fine.

Avocados are for later, not this week.

In fact, limit vege's to a single side dish.

Save the rice for next week (limited)

If you have ketosticks, you should see something by day three,

depending on your determination.

By next week, you add back in limited quantity, the stuff you like, a

bit at a time, and see what shows up on the stix AND the scale.

I'd probably add fats first.

Then low glycemic vege's.

Fruit should become an occasional thing, although berries are low

glycemic and preferred.

Anyway, I'm trying to get just a weeks commitment.

How hard can that be?

If you have a home sphygmomanometer, check your blood pressure, it

should improve (most do).

Chuck

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol....

On 9/15/2011 9:35:41 PM, lizz7711 (lizz7711@...) wrote:

> Hi Chuck,

> When you say low fat, do you mean any fat outside of the fat

> that's in all the protein you're eating? because eggs, meat, cheese, etc,

> all have alot of fat, so do avocados, fish, coconut milk/oil, etc.

>

> And " NO " carb...how low is this? My whey powder has 8 grams of carbs,

> another green powder I have that I like has 17, yogurt has some carbs...

> and obviously even if I eat the lowest carb veggies and fruits,

> i'll still get SOME carbs...do you just judge this based on the ketostix?

>

> today I had zero carbs except for yogurt and the whey shakes, and literally

two bites of rice. I'm

> doing fine, feeling a little tired, but i'm sure that's normal.

>

> Liz

>

>

> >

> > Actually for most folk, three days to ketosis is more typical.

> > It is for me, and Atkins and other sources seem to agree.

> >

> > Diet induced ketosis is an optimum condition, and keto stix help you

> > determine your carb range limit. (how much carb you can take and still

> > be ketogenic) , but this stuff comes later AFTER you get yourself past

> > that first tough restrictive week.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I can do this no problem - i'm at that place where the mind has finally

decided and is ready to ACT. I'm already on day 4 of very low carbs. The only

thing on your list i've had really is fruit and avocados and goat yogurt.

AND, i bought ketostix yesterday, and last night it was at the " negative " mark,

but tonight I just checked and it's in the " small " to " moderate " range! So I

think i'm doing it right - just can get a little stricter : ). Cutting out the

flour and all that is easy since i'm already gluten free - just no GF bread,

pasta or whatever. And cutting out tortilla chips was not too hard.

My mom died of cancer and my dad is dying of cancer. I have no intention of

getting cancer myself. I eat very well already, but don't exercise (low

tolerance due to adrenal burnout is part of it), and have high mercury in my

system that needs chelating (had all amalgams replaced) - heavy metals will get

in the way of almost any health plan since it changes the DNA.

Anyway I appreciate the support, can't wait to start losing a bit and feeling

some energy come back!

Liz

> > >

> > > Actually for most folk, three days to ketosis is more typical.

> > > It is for me, and Atkins and other sources seem to agree.

> > >

> > > Diet induced ketosis is an optimum condition, and keto stix help you

> > > determine your carb range limit. (how much carb you can take and still

> > > be ketogenic) , but this stuff comes later AFTER you get yourself past

> > > that first tough restrictive week.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

@Liz: Most of the ladies plagued with candida reacted to berries and had to

limit all sweet fruit, or nearly all of them, to prevent obvious backsliding.

A real good book by Sports Nutritionist Brad King is Fat Wars. You can probably

get a used one for $6 at abebooks.com ...Brad uses whey and also HGH attention

with timing on the specific meals; i.e. a protein breakfast with no carbs keeps

your HGH a bit higher until noon. Also only drive your HGH low with carbs at all

if you feel you must,

Getting off the hydrocortisone is important; chief side effect is bowel

perforation, and leaky gut leads to worsening problems.

For hunger pangs, you can bulk up your food with fiber such as inulin and

psyllium or essentially become creative in eating lots of low-cal veggies,

pretty much up to your capacity I think.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan,

> Thanks for this detailed explanation, I really appreciate it : )

>

> I tried to buy inulin yesterday but no one had it in stock. I guess i'll

order online.

>

> If I follow a ketogenic or at least close to ketogenic diet along w/ your

suggested supplements, do I also need to not eat all fruits for the candida, or

can I still eat berries? And what about yogurt? I'm thinking that with as

little as i've been eating the last couple days, if I cut out yogurt (I eat

maybe one cup per day, if that) and berries (peaches?) too, then i'll really be

hungry!! So far, I have felt hungry, but not at all hypoglycemic or faint or

anything, just a healthy kind of hungry,lol - actually feels good!

>

> I'm def not the body builder type I'm 46, about 25 lbs overweight, really

maybe only 20, but high body fat and very poor muscle tone or stamina. Getting

off gluten and most dairy took care of my joint pains and digestive issues for

the most part. taking hydrocortisone every day helps me survive and have energy

for the day, but barely! I know alot about nutrition, actually have a master's

degree in it...but the brain fog has caused me to have a hard time retaining my

knowledge in some areas! I know I learned all about ketosis, but can't remember

it at all!

>

> I'm glad to have found this board/forum, there seems to be many people with

alot of knowledge that I can learn from : )

>

> Peace,

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

Good to know...on Blaylock's list of things with MSG, the hydrolyzed proteins

" always contain " MSG, the " isolates " like soy protein isolate and concentrate,

whey protein isolate, and whey protein concentrate (I was mistaken, they are

both in the same category for) etc, " may " have MSG. I'll have to look at the

book again to see if he explains this difference or why the isolates are said to

have this problem...it could be the way certain companies do their processing

that is the problem, versus more reputable companies...

Liz

> > > Why? My understanding is that concentrate was better...isolated proteins

> > > are not good either - MSG effect.

> >

> > Your understanding is flawed.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chuck & Liz,

Good list Chuck. One thing you might want to add Liz is the SoDelicious Coconut

Milk as it only has 1 gram carb, 5 grams fat and only 50 cal for one cup. Works

great with whey and/or Greek Yogurt in smoothies. Also, for snack attacks one of

those little Laughing Cow Creamy Swiss Cheese thingies (low fat, 1 gr. carb)

wrapped in a couple thin slices of turkey breast (Sara Lee) works wonders in

keeping hunger at bay. And then, of course, there is green tea w/a tsp. of

coconut oil. I have been finding that 5 small meals works better than 3 medium

sized ones for both losing and maintaining.

Also, instead of bread you can wrap your meat or whatever in a large romaine

lettuce leaf. Canned Alaskan Salmon from Vital Choice tastes great that way. I

try to eat that once every week or two.

And if you make it through the first week I'll share a muffin recipe with you

that has 22 gr. protein and only 11 carbs, 5 grams fat, and 177 calories. Just

one for breakfast fills me up!

Best,

Dee

>

> I'll say, for the week, try to be determined to be as strict as

> possible.

>

> NO fruit.

> NO grains.

> NO milk.

> NO white stuff (sugar, flour, potatoes, rice, any starch)

>

> Trim visible fats from meats.

> Limit cheese, try for lowfat types. They are OK.

> Your whey powder is reasonable with carb load, so OK.

> For this one week, limit fatty fish.

> Otherwise fish and trimmed meats are OK.

> Eggs are OK.

> Lowfat Greek yogurt is fine.

> Avocados are for later, not this week.

> In fact, limit vege's to a single side dish.

> Save the rice for next week (limited)

>

> If you have ketosticks, you should see something by day three,

> depending on your determination.

>

> By next week, you add back in limited quantity, the stuff you like, a

> bit at a time, and see what shows up on the stix AND the scale.

>

> I'd probably add fats first.

> Then low glycemic vege's.

> Fruit should become an occasional thing, although berries are low

> glycemic and preferred.

>

> Anyway, I'm trying to get just a weeks commitment.

> How hard can that be?

>

> If you have a home sphygmomanometer, check your blood pressure, it

> should improve (most do).

>

> Chuck

> I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol....

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-09-15 9:35 PM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> My whey powder has 8 grams of carbs

Mine has ZERO... if yours has 8 per serving, then it is loaded with CRAP...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-09-15 9:48 PM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> taking hydrocortisone every day helps me survive and have energy for the day

That is something you should be working diligently to get off of asap...

bad stuff to be taking long term

[Guest guest]

It is one I got b/c I wanted to quick get one and then do some research to order

a better one online...but it's got no artificial additives, just stevia and

cocoa powder, it was the " cleanest " of the ones at the store on that day : )

> > My whey powder has 8 grams of carbs

>

> Mine has ZERO... if yours has 8 per serving, then it is loaded with CRAP...

>

[Guest guest]

It's a physiological dose - to replace what the body is normally producing by

itself, but mine doesn't. Only 25mg, so should not cause any side effects - but

I agree and do want to get off of it, have been on for 3 years now...I have

recently lowered from 25mg to 22.5, and plan to go down to 20 soon. Then i'll

probably hold tight until I can tell that my body is functioning better through

this low carb plan to try to wean off even more. If I went off it now though,

i'd have zero energy and would be yelling at everyone around me...no one wants

that!

> > taking hydrocortisone every day helps me survive and have energy for the day

>

> That is something you should be working diligently to get off of asap...

> bad stuff to be taking long term

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee,

thanks for the tips...the Sodelicious CMilk has carageenan in it and I don't eat

that stuff, major carcinogen. But i'll buy a can of organic coconut milk once

in a while to drink or make a smoothie

I'm used to not eating bread, have been on a gluten free diet for the last 3

years, and for the first two there were no good GF bread options, now there is

Udi's which is good, but stopping eating it is no big deal to me. I sometimes

get the " Unwich " from Jimmy 's.

With the ketostix, what is the goal? To be in the middle, at the high end, or

what? last night it was in the " small " to " moderate " range. This mornign, back

to " trace " .

Liz

> >

> > I'll say, for the week, try to be determined to be as strict as

> > possible.

> >

> > NO fruit.

> > NO grains.

> > NO milk.

> > NO white stuff (sugar, flour, potatoes, rice, any starch)

> >

> > Trim visible fats from meats.

> > Limit cheese, try for lowfat types. They are OK.

> > Your whey powder is reasonable with carb load, so OK.

> > For this one week, limit fatty fish.

> > Otherwise fish and trimmed meats are OK.

> > Eggs are OK.

> > Lowfat Greek yogurt is fine.

> > Avocados are for later, not this week.

> > In fact, limit vege's to a single side dish.

> > Save the rice for next week (limited)

> >

> > If you have ketosticks, you should see something by day three,

> > depending on your determination.

> >

> > By next week, you add back in limited quantity, the stuff you like, a

> > bit at a time, and see what shows up on the stix AND the scale.

> >

> > I'd probably add fats first.

> > Then low glycemic vege's.

> > Fruit should become an occasional thing, although berries are low

> > glycemic and preferred.

> >

> > Anyway, I'm trying to get just a weeks commitment.

> > How hard can that be?

> >

> > If you have a home sphygmomanometer, check your blood pressure, it

> > should improve (most do).

> >

> > Chuck

> > I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol....

> >

> >

>