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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the information, . I do see a chiropractor, so I

think I will ask him if he can recommend someone next time I go in.

Michele

Michele,

When my kids were born, I lived in a nice area that wasn't overpopulated. I

found a pediatrician and explained why I would NOT vaccinate, he at first

tried to convince me otherwise, but I explained to him I researched the

issue, I lost a child from a reaction to a DTP vaccine, I knew I had rights,

I knew what the state exemptions were, and I was the one who had to live with

the grief of loosing one child and NO ONE could tell me otherwise. After

that, he shut his mouth, took me seriously, and never said anything about

vaccines again.

Unfortunately we just moved back to the big city and I will have to find

someone I am more comfortable with. However, I doubt I will take my kids to

another pediatrician, I will look at family physicians (since they are more

tolerable in areas like this) and I will also call a chiropractor to ask for

some names (reason being chiros usually don't believe in vaccinating anyone

for anything).

Hope this helps.

M from Michigan

P.S. Sorry to everyone on the list for not being involved in awhile. Finally

unpacked and settled in so will try to keep up with the posts again.

[Guest guest]

I haven't found one yet!

question

> Just wondering how all of you have approached finding a pediatrician who

did not

> give you a hard time about your decision not to vaccinate your children.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Michele

>

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[Guest guest]

Now what exactly constitutes a religious exemption?

Michele

This was the first year I took a religious exception and my pediatrician

did not bat a eye.

Oregon

[Guest guest]

I am about 45 minutes north of Detroit, located in Northern Oakland County.

M.

[Guest guest]

I'm not a very assertive person either. I just don't go to the doctors

office unless I think my child has a problem. I stopped the " well baby "

checks at 1 year old. I also did not allow lead testing or anemia testing

which is what was " next on the list " .

Diane

RE: question

>OH MY!!! I can't believe you were actually hung up on!

>

>My doctor has been " persuading " me to vaccinate. I told him I wanted to do

more

>research before I decided, so he agreed not to bring up the issue again

until

>the baby is a year old. He will be a year in October, but he goes for his

next

>check-up in July, and I know the doctor will at least say SOMETHING. My

problem

>is that I am not very assertive. I know I need to be, because these are my

>chidren, but I struggle with it.

>

>Michele

>

>

>

>

>

>I took the chicken way out and just said that I was calling for my " sister "

>who didn't want to vaccinate and asked whether the physician would respect

>that decision and not push or whether it would be best to look elsewhere.

I

>was surprised in the honesty of their answers. I got everything from:

it's

>her choice " to being hung up on " accidentally " .

>

>Diane

>

>

>

>

>>Just wondering how all of you have approached finding a pediatrician who

>did not

>>give you a hard time about your decision not to vaccinate your children.

>>

>>Thanks!

>>

>>Michele

>

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[Guest guest]

,

Where in Michigan are you from?

Diane

Re: question

>Michele,

> When my kids were born, I lived in a nice area that wasn't overpopulated.

I

>found a pediatrician and explained why I would NOT vaccinate, he at first

>tried to convince me otherwise, but I explained to him I researched the

>issue, I lost a child from a reaction to a DTP vaccine, I knew I had

rights,

>I knew what the state exemptions were, and I was the one who had to live

with

>the grief of loosing one child and NO ONE could tell me otherwise. After

>that, he shut his mouth, took me seriously, and never said anything about

>vaccines again.

> Unfortunately we just moved back to the big city and I will have to find

>someone I am more comfortable with. However, I doubt I will take my kids to

>another pediatrician, I will look at family physicians (since they are more

>tolerable in areas like this) and I will also call a chiropractor to ask

for

>some names (reason being chiros usually don't believe in vaccinating anyone

>for anything).

> Hope this helps.

> M from Michigan

>

>P.S. Sorry to everyone on the list for not being involved in awhile.

Finally

>unpacked and settled in so will try to keep up with the posts again.

>

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[Guest guest]

, who wrote to you about the AP group, and I are both in Hazel Park.

Diane

Re: question

>I am about 45 minutes north of Detroit, located in Northern Oakland County.

> M.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks , that was beautiful.

I know people are on that board listening - they write to me everyday

privately.

Sheri

At 07:49 PM 06/21/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>To Whom It May Concern,

>

>I am writing regarding your vaccine board. My daughter almost died due

>to the Hepatitis B vaccine. I have attended 5 Congressional hearings in

>Washington. I used to post on your board but now just visit

>occasionally. I notice that all of the posts for Sherilyn123 have all

>of a sudden disappeared. I am wondering why? I understood that this

>community supported family choice and FREE information. I find it

>disturbing that you all would not make alternative views available,

>unless of course you are being funded by pharmaceutical companies and

>truly have NO interest in FREE SPEECH.

>

>I encourage you to bring back Sherilyn123's posts. Additionally, IF you

>have taken the step of removing her or banning her, I encourage you to

>re-evaluate your position. The posts she provided were not derogatory

>or uninformational.

>

>As the parent of a child who suffered a very serious reaction and as

>someone who, on her own dime, has attended EVERY hearing in DC, I can

>assure you that the medical profession is not providing ALL the

>information. I am sure that you, as an individual or company, DO NOT

>want to have the needless death of a child on your conscious because you

>stifled FREE SPEECH.

>

>I can provide you information on how to get congressional transcripts

>for 3 of the hearings that are currently available should you like to

>see for yourself the controversy.

>

>I look forward to your reply.

>

> Reiss

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[Guest guest]

Sheri,

Don't TAKE it personally. Hey, the clerk at the committee last week took

my tape recorder, the capital guard told me I could not sit in the hall

way (He said I had to stand for 7 hours because otherwise it was

vagrancy...) Granted, by the time I saw my mom, I seriously cried

because of that,amongst other things that happened. Emotionally, I was

drained and frustrated.

I don't put a lot in the newsletters that happens. Always remember when

you are doing the right thing people will attack you. I had one father

tell me once when I was down, that we may not get the laws changed 'but

we will have softened the path for the next generation'.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

> Thanks , that was beautiful.

> I know people are on that board listening - they write to me everyday

> privately.

> Sheri

>

> At 07:49 PM 06/21/2000 -0400, you wrote:

> >To Whom It May Concern,

> >

> >I am writing regarding your vaccine board. My daughter almost died due

> >to the Hepatitis B vaccine. I have attended 5 Congressional hearings in

> >Washington. I used to post on your board but now just visit

> >occasionally. I notice that all of the posts for Sherilyn123 have all

> >of a sudden disappeared. I am wondering why? I understood that this

> >community supported family choice and FREE information. I find it

> >disturbing that you all would not make alternative views available,

> >unless of course you are being funded by pharmaceutical companies and

> >truly have NO interest in FREE SPEECH.

> >

> >I encourage you to bring back Sherilyn123's posts. Additionally, IF you

> >have taken the step of removing her or banning her, I encourage you to

> >re-evaluate your position. The posts she provided were not derogatory

> >or uninformational.

> >

> >As the parent of a child who suffered a very serious reaction and as

> >someone who, on her own dime, has attended EVERY hearing in DC, I can

> >assure you that the medical profession is not providing ALL the

> >information. I am sure that you, as an individual or company, DO NOT

> >want to have the needless death of a child on your conscious because you

> >stifled FREE SPEECH.

> >

> >I can provide you information on how to get congressional transcripts

> >for 3 of the hearings that are currently available should you like to

> >see for yourself the controversy.

> >

> >I look forward to your reply.

> >

> > Reiss

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/27/00 8:56:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lisa@...

writes:

>

> Recently there was an article about how the medical establishment was

> blaming bacteria becoming stronger on overuse of antibiotics,

> 'anti-vaccination movements', and anti-bacterial soap.

>

>

I didn't see any articles concerning the anti vacc movement. Only on

antibiotics and antibacterial soap. If you happen to find something on the

anti vacc movement being a cause, I'd like to see it.

[Guest guest]

At 10:58 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>I am working still on a letter for my congressman. It may be a novel by

>the time I get done. Does 'bowel resection' mean that part of the

>intestine is now missing? This is in regard to rotavirus vaccine.

>

> in CT

YEs, sections of the bowel have been removed.

Sometimes the ends are just reattached and sometimes if its a large area in

a crucial place, there has to be a colostomy.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

> I am working still on a letter for my congressman. It may be a novel by

> the time I get done. Does 'bowel resection' mean that part of the

> intestine is now missing?

To resect is to " cut off or cut out a portion of a structure or organ, as to

....remove a segment of the intestine. "

[Guest guest]

. Go to cureamerica.net for the

Cesium info. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

Dr. Len can give you better resources, but I have definitely seen that while

there are some similiarities in the brain tissues between Alz patients and

people with ds, it isn't an automatic progression to having Alz if you have

ds. Have also seen suggestions that an active lifestyle among people with

ds as well as others tends to make it less likely that Alz develops.

Judi

question

hi gang,

i just received this email and was wondering if any of you could help me

answer this question.

this is exactly how the email reads....

**

Can you find anything on your Down Syndrome page about

Alzheimers and people with D.S.?

We heard that all people with D.S will eventually get Alz if they

live long enough. \However, I just heard that only 45% will

Which is correct??

thanks

**

thanks guys,

awaiting the replies....so i can forward them on .

Arlene

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[Guest guest]

At 07:49 PM 11/1/2000 -0500, Arlene wrote:

>hi gang,

>i just received this email and was wondering if any of you could help me

>answer this question.

>

>

>this is exactly how the email reads....

>**

>Can you find anything on your Down Syndrome page about

>Alzheimers and people with D.S.?

>We heard that all people with D.S will eventually get Alz if they

>live long enough. \However, I just heard that only 45% will

> Which is correct??

>thanks

>**

See http://www.ndss.org/aboutds/clinical/alzheimers/alzheimers.html

Len Leshin, M.D., F.A.A.P.

Father to Avi, 6 (DS) and , 9

Down Syndrome Health Issues: http://www.ds-health.com

[Guest guest]

Amy, I guess I'd go with the hot water on the stove - if you think you

can get him to inhale it. Otherwise, if he doesn't mind the shower, you

can sprinkle several drops in the tub, run the shower hot enough to steam

up the bathroom, and just hold him in there. Not terribly practical for

everyday (water bill and conservation factors) but okay in a pinch.

*Sometimes ANYTHING is better than a cranky, stuffy babe!* Good luck!

-Gretchen

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:19:35 -0500 " SilentVision & SeaPony "

<silentsea@...> writes:

> Hello,

>

>

> I have a question concerning Eucalytpus (sp?) EO... Quinn is sick

> and I need to know which is best... boiling water on the stove with

> a couple drops (forgot to get an oil burner), humidifer (doesn't

> heat), or use olive oil base.... remember that Quinn has Ezcema...

> so I'm not sure how his skin would react to having oil with EO on

> his body. How much water or oil should I use to a few drops?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Amy

> Mom to Quinn (11-15-99)

> ICQ# 10609656

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At 10:54 PM 1/22/2001 -0600, briggsj wrote:

>I've got a question about a " behavior " that my 2-yr-old son, Isaac has

>been displaying. I don't know if it's a sign of something that needs

>medical attention or if it's just a behavior. I thought I'd run it by you

>all before I call the doctor. It may just be a new trick or maybe some of

>you have experienced this with your own children and could shed some light

>on it. Ok...here it is: he tucks his chin down very close to his chest

>and then tries to look up. Many times in the last week when he has done

>this, his eyes seem to roll back so far that all that's visible is the

>whites of his eyes. This usually just lasts for about 3-5 seconds or so

>and then " he's back. " Sometimes I've noticed that after this, he may lay

>down and just seem exhausted. Does this sound like a medical issue or is

>he just playing? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

If this behavior persists for more than a week, I would bring it to your

pediatrician's attention.

Len Leshin, M.D., F.A.A.P.

Father to Avi, 7 (DS) and , 9

Down Syndrome Health Issues: http://www.ds-health.com

[Guest guest]

My Nicky did something similar. He also shakes his head violently while

laughing hysterically. Both his therapists and teachers said these types of

behavior are not uncommon and provide a form of stimulation. Nick has

outgrown most of these activities (he is 3.3 yrs). Although, the head

shaking he still does on occasion.

Bonnie from Long Island

Mom to -10, twins and (ds)-3

[Guest guest]

Jill,

does this when he is kind of playing around. However, he is not

exhausted after. You may want to look into this with your pediatrician?!

My other 3 children never did this, so I was nervous at first, but in our

case, he is just trying to be cute...which he succeeds at!! =) Good

luck!

Kym...mom to 4 including 3 1/2 year old w/ DS

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> In the LR4YT it is neutral for secretors and avoid for

> nonsecretors. <<<<<<<<<<<

I'm new and don't understand this can anyone tell me what it means? I

don't have the new book just ER4YT..

thanks Becky

[Guest guest]

At 12:27 PM 02/06/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Hello,

>I was wondering if since I am breastfeeding my baby if she has the

>immunities from the shots that I got as a child. I know that she gets my

>immunities from colds, etc. so that is why I was wondering. Also if you

>could send me some sites about this that would be wonderful. Thank you so

>much in advance.

>______________________________

That's what we've been talking about. The vaccines you got probably didn't

give you true immunity anyway as we are all seeing and it is very little

that you pass on to your child evidenced by studies recently that none of

us can find right now.

You are building her immune system, but she is probably not immune to any

of the diseases you were vaccinated for and probably you are not either.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/6/01 12:29:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, sunflowerwmn@... writes:

I was wondering if since I am breastfeeding my baby if she has the immunities from the shots that I got as a child.

I'd say NO - and you're not immune anymore either, only natural immunity would be passed on by breastfeeding.

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

"Time may be a great healer, but it's a lousy beautician."

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

I'm not the expert by any means, but I would think the magnetic pulser

would be the best bet. The blood purifier won't do any good, but colloidal

silver would probably have an effect. Also, a Hulda Zapper would be

beneficial IMHO. I had a problem years ago, when I first started learning

about and using the electronic devices, with parasites in the brain. I used

the Zapper regularly and it made a difference but didn't completely

cure the problem or prevent it from coming back. If you've got a mag pulser

use it daily and see what happens.

Dennis

Question

Dennis or Anybody,

On your website you stated the pulser, purifier, and zapper were all

trying to eliminate parasites in different ways. Can you tell me which is

the best to kill parasites in the brain? Would it be the pulser?

Thanks,

Gail

[Guest guest]

You lie and claim you never vaccinated. If you are only going to

selectively vaccinate, then they never need to know. Use free

clinics.

If, by the time they are in school, they have their immunizations,

and you simply did not follow the standard schedule, nobody will care

or question why you delayed it - all they care about is that the set

number of vaccines ordered in your state are completed before

kindergarten.

> For those who have decided to selectively vaccinate or delay

vaccinating.

> How do you handle public school issues where vaccinations are

mandatory

> except for medical or religious exemptions? If a parent delayed

vaccinating

> until age 5 and only selectively vaccinate, how do you handle this

issue with

> a public school?

>

>

> TIA!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

For our kids it's as simple as filling out the religious exemption form

which only requires a parent signature, sending it into the school (or

turning it in at the time you register for school) and it goes into

their cum file and no questions asked! We also have a medical exemption

for our vaccine damaged son which is in his cum file as well. Alaska

does not have philisophical exemptions at this time! We've not had any

problems with this here except for the usual hassle by the docs! Maureen