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This is called genetic engineering, and pharmaceutical companies are spending a fortune on it.

Gleevec is an example of a genetic "smart bomb" drug that targets a particular gene. Patients who are susceptiple to chronic myelogenous leukemia often have a defect in what is called the Philadelphia Chromosome. Chromosomes 9 and 22 stick together to form the philadelphia chromosome which harbors a gene known as the bcr-abl gene. This gene codes for proteins called kinases which fuel prolific cell growtn (i.e. cancer) . Unfortunately, even in this very specific chromosomal abnormality, resistance develops. Many patients who had initial wonderful results with Gleevec have relapsed. Cancerous cells have tremendous capacity to adapt. In other cancers where the disease is not so easily associated with a specirfic abnormality, things will be even tougher. The "Yin and Yang" of the 20 some-odd tumor suppressor genes and 100 some-odd oncogenes form the players in a continually revolving genetic death dance. There is a good chance that there are more players we don't know about than we do know about.

It's probably quite an over-simplification to compare the molecular biology of cancer with the relationship betwen a sickle cell erythrocyte, and the parasite that carries malaria. Sickle cell anemia is caused by a mistake in two amino acids of the more than 570 amino acids which make up hemoglobin. In this case two negative charged amino acids are replaced by two neutral amino acids. This leads to clumping of the deoxygenated hemoglobin...which simply creates an environment in which the parasite cannot thrive. Sickle cell is not a desirable condition, and patients usually die young and have extremely painful crisis experiences.

Boik's book "Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy" provides a basis for the potential role of natural products...and many of these products potentials are rooted in their ability to upregulate or "express" tumor suppressor genes, and down regulate oncogenes, or their proteins. This "redifferentiation" may allow the cell to fall under normal "fail-safe" control...where a programmed cell death called apoptosis eliminates the cancerous cell. 's book does a much better job than these few sentences of describing the dynamics.

Best to all,

Guthrie

Question> >Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 06:04:43 -0000> >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)> >> >Viruses genetic codes when written on paper look like computer programs.> >Viruses main objective is to attack and normal cell, alter the cell, to> >create more viruses, then destroy the cell and move on. If virusesgenetic> >code is so much like and computer program, and we can all ready engineer> >humans genetic code, why don't we engineer a virus to attack abnormalcells?> >Malaria can not infect a person with recessive sickle-cell disease, do to> >sickle-cell disease is abnormally shaped cells. So why not engineer> >something that can go for abnormal cells? Not of sickle-cell patients butof> >cancer patients.>>Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

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In a message dated 10/29/2001 8:15:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,

erica3k@... writes:

> From the company that makes it, if you trust them to

> be honest. It has to be in the insert along with lots

> of other info mds never offer!

> When I meet people who are intent on vaccinating I

> always urge them to ask for the insert, lot number and

> expiration date!

>

I'm not intending to vaccinate. I just want the info. How could I get an

insert when they don't give this shot anymore?

[Guest guest]

From the company that makes it, if you trust them to

be honest. It has to be in the insert along with lots

of other info mds never offer!

When I meet people who are intent on vaccinating I

always urge them to ask for the insert, lot number and

expiration date!

--- JILBAIT@... wrote:

> Where could I find the ingredients to the small pox

> vaccine?

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I thought one of the emails said that they

are starting to manufacture it again?

--- JILBAIT@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/29/2001 8:15:24 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> erica3k@... writes:

>

>

> > From the company that makes it, if you trust them

> to

> > be honest. It has to be in the insert along with

> lots

> > of other info mds never offer!

> > When I meet people who are intent on vaccinating I

> > always urge them to ask for the insert, lot number

> and

> > expiration date!

> >

>

> I'm not intending to vaccinate. I just want the

> info. How could I get an

> insert when they don't give this shot anymore?

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/30/01 1:06:28 PM GTB Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

<<

>I'm not intending to vaccinate. I just want the info. How could I get an

>insert when they don't give this shot anymore? >>

What shot are you speaking of?What about looking in an old PDR book?

Sara

[Guest guest]

At 12:32 AM 10/30/2001 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 10/29/2001 8:15:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>erica3k@... writes:

>

>

>> From the company that makes it, if you trust them to

>> be honest. It has to be in the insert along with lots

>> of other info mds never offer!

>> When I meet people who are intent on vaccinating I

>> always urge them to ask for the insert, lot number and

>> expiration date!

>>

>

>I'm not intending to vaccinate. I just want the info. How could I get an

>insert when they don't give this shot anymore?

>

YOu can't as far as I know.

The old vaccine stored someplace is the same as before

There is new being developed that is totally different but of course don't

have that yet as it hasn't been tested but will be tested on all the crazed

panicked masses out there.

Sheri

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Gail, it can penetrate 9 " into the body, clothes offer no resistance

whatsoever...

> From: " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg@...>

> Reply-

> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:07:36 -0700

> < >,

> <Beck-n-stuff >

> Subject: Question

>

> Hi Folks,

>

> I have a questions that I've wondered for a long time. Hope somebody knows

> the answer. When pulsing with the magnetic pulser can it be done over the

> clothing one is wearing, or does it have to have direct contact with the skin?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Gail

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If penetrating that deep into the body, doesn't it harm badly the

intestinal flora when pulsing the low of the back?

At 12:17 11/11/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Gail, it can penetrate 9 " into the body, clothes offer no resistance

>whatsoever...

[Guest guest]

Hey, this I know the answer to. Well, anyway I think I do. I know it does

when pulsing the abdomen, so I'm assuming the same is true with the low

back. One should take acidophilus. Gail

Re: Question

> If penetrating that deep into the body, doesn't it harm badly the

> intestinal flora when pulsing the low of the back?

>

>

> At 12:17 11/11/2001 -0800, you wrote:

> >Gail, it can penetrate 9 " into the body, clothes offer no resistance

> >whatsoever...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dean. That sure makes life a lot more simple. All this time I

never knew that. Gail

Re: Question

> Gail, it can penetrate 9 " into the body, clothes offer no resistance

> whatsoever...

>

[Guest guest]

The medical community says that once you have your initial 3 shots, there is

no need for a booster. This will only be current, of course, until

vaccinated people start showing up as Hep B positive at which time, boosters

will no doubt be added.

All the best

Meryl (the cynic :-)

Question

Does anyone know when to get a booster for a hep B shot?

I know the answer is never, but this is a question a co-worker asked. His

doc

told him every 4 yrs. I thought that didn't sound right either.

[Guest guest]

Meryl, I think you should have signed your name as Meryl, the student of

history

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Question

Does anyone know when to get a booster for a hep B shot?

I know the answer is never, but this is a question a co-worker asked. His

doc

told him every 4 yrs. I thought that didn't sound right either.

[Guest guest]

Dr. R says " No. " However, I'm not going to lie and act like I stick by the

book all the time. I have drank tea on occasion. No, soda's though. They

don't even sound appealing to me.

And you know something that's weird? And I'm blaming this on the pregnancy

and changing tastes because of it, but I LOVED Gatorade. That was ALL I

would drink up until about 2-3 months ago. Now, I cannot force myself to

drink it. Is that not odd? I've been drinking mostly lemonade now and that

is getting old. UGH! What to drink, what to drink... <grin> I'd sure

rather have this problems than the problems I had 126 pounds ago, though.

in OK

In a message dated 11/30/2001 7:11:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Claydancr7@... writes:

<< This will sound kind of stupid, but I have not had any caffeine or

soda or antyhing that is a no-no ..MY QUESTION IS THIS...

Are we allowed to have decaf??? like Celestial Seasonings decaf tea??

What about decaf coffee?? Not that I think I would get the habit

going again.. but I just had the flu... Sudafed had acetomiaphin(sp)

in it. infact the ingredients for Nyquil gel caps and Sudafed cold

stuff were the same except for one ingredient.. I am better

now...Some nice hot decaf tea with honey and lemon sounds awfully

good right about now. >>

[Guest guest]

" Technically " the answer is no --- not because of the caffeine but

because of the acidity of the tea. However, Celestrial Seasonings

peppermint tea lists only peppermint leaves as an ingredient, i.e. no

" tea " and I do drink that. Read the labels and then I doubt that in

small does it will hurt you either way.

Hope you feel better soon!

in GA

Question

This will sound kind of stupid, but I have not had any caffeine or

soda or antyhing that is a no-no ..MY QUESTION IS THIS...

Are we allowed to have decaf??? like Celestial Seasonings decaf tea??

What about decaf coffee?? Not that I think I would get the habit

going again.. but I just had the flu... Sudafed had acetomiaphin(sp)

in it. infact the ingredients for Nyquil gel caps and Sudafed cold

stuff were the same except for one ingredient.. I am better

now...Some nice hot decaf tea with honey and lemon sounds awfully

good right about now.

Suzanne in Fl. Looking forward to seeing ya'all tomorrow in Orange

park

298/210

1.10.01

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that decaf is OK since the primary problem with caffeine

of itself is that it interferes with calcium absorption, a problem for all

of us.

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Keath L Marx, DVM

Blacksburg, VA USA

drkeath@...

334/214/165 12/6/00

Question

This will sound kind of stupid, but I have not had any caffeine or

soda or antyhing that is a no-no ..MY QUESTION IS THIS...

Are we allowed to have decaf??? like Celestial Seasonings decaf tea??

What about decaf coffee?? Not that I think I would get the habit

going again.. but I just had the flu... Sudafed had acetomiaphin(sp)

in it. infact the ingredients for Nyquil gel caps and Sudafed cold

stuff were the same except for one ingredient.. I am better

now...Some nice hot decaf tea with honey and lemon sounds awfully

good right about now.

Suzanne in Fl. Looking forward to seeing ya'all tomorrow in Orange

park

298/210

1.10.01

[Guest guest]

It is the acid in decaf that causes the problem. It has more acid than regular

coffee. Acids are not good for our new stomachs!

Pat

Question

This will sound kind of stupid, but I have not had any caffeine or

soda or antyhing that is a no-no ..MY QUESTION IS THIS...

Are we allowed to have decaf??? like Celestial Seasonings decaf tea??

What about decaf coffee?? Not that I think I would get the habit

going again.. but I just had the flu... Sudafed had acetomiaphin(sp)

in it. infact the ingredients for Nyquil gel caps and Sudafed cold

stuff were the same except for one ingredient.. I am better

now...Some nice hot decaf tea with honey and lemon sounds awfully

good right about now.

Suzanne in Fl. Looking forward to seeing ya'all tomorrow in Orange

park

298/210

1.10.01

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/3/01 7:47:22 AM Central Standard Time,

gr8sons@... writes:

> Suzanne, I've found a couple of things to drink that replace coffee

> and tea. I don't necessarily miss coffee but I do miss a warm drink

> when I get cold.

Hey have you tried Postum it tastes' like coffee but is a wheat drink. It

helps when it is cold to have something warm that you can drink that isn't

bad for ya. I tried the hot cocoa and sugarfree but it makes my stomach sick.

And you can put in the creamer and equal and it isn't bad. hugs marg

[Guest guest]

Suzanne, I've found a couple of things to drink that replace coffee

and tea. I don't necessarily miss coffee but I do miss a warm drink

when I get cold. Try Swiss Miss " no sugar added " hot chocolate. It

has about 50 calories in a full cup. I also drink a hot apple cider

drink I picked up at Sam's (comes in individual serving packets).

That has 60 calories in each serving (but is not sugar free).

Molly in Omaha

3/15/01

269/163

> This will sound kind of stupid, but I have not had any caffeine or

> soda or antyhing that is a no-no ..MY QUESTION IS THIS...

> Are we allowed to have decaf??? like Celestial Seasonings decaf

tea??

> What about decaf coffee?? Not that I think I would get the habit

> going again.. but I just had the flu... Sudafed had acetomiaphin

(sp)

> in it. infact the ingredients for Nyquil gel caps and Sudafed cold

> stuff were the same except for one ingredient.. I am better

> now...Some nice hot decaf tea with honey and lemon sounds awfully

> good right about now.

>

> Suzanne in Fl. Looking forward to seeing ya'all tomorrow in Orange

> park

>

> 298/210

> 1.10.01

[Guest guest]

I second the Postum -- it is wonderful -- before surgery, I used to only

drink one cup of coffee in the morning -- didn't think I'd miss it. But I

did miss it horribly, and Postum is a wonderful replacement. Of course I

drink it with cream and sweetner, so I'm not certain how it would be for you

folks who like it black. But it sure is worth a try.

God bless.

from Michigan

MGB 12/29/00

[Guest guest]

Postum comes in two kinds; one tastes like coffee. It is really good with the

flavored creamers--tastes like a cappuchino.

Pat

Re: Re: Question

In a message dated 12/3/01 7:47:22 AM Central Standard Time,

gr8sons@... writes:

> Suzanne, I've found a couple of things to drink that replace coffee

> and tea. I don't necessarily miss coffee but I do miss a warm drink

> when I get cold.

Hey have you tried Postum it tastes' like coffee but is a wheat drink. It

helps when it is cold to have something warm that you can drink that isn't

bad for ya. I tried the hot cocoa and sugarfree but it makes my stomach sick.

And you can put in the creamer and equal and it isn't bad. hugs marg

[Guest guest]

> Hi there,

>

> I have a question...do most lp¹s breathe thru their mouth?

I usually breathe through my mouth, but it has more to do with the

fact I broke my nose when I was a kid and not so much because of

dwarfism.

Maurice

[Guest guest]

Well, up to 3-4 years after the high titer vaccine in Africa, there was an

" excess " of deaths among girls, forcing that particular approach to be

discontinued. Since, in general, no one who cares is given the funding to

do this kind of research, there really is no good answer to your question.

Sandy from Alaska

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question

Ok your child goes in for a vaccine lets say MMR and Varicella I am using my

DD as an example since she is 15 mo old and is due for MMR. How long after

the vaccine can a reaction occur and be counted as a reaction to the

vaccine.

SOme things i read these kids are getting sick and dieing 3 mo after the

vaccine. SOme kids get sick with in days or weeks but 3 mo can that still be

counted as a reaction to the vaccine?

I am asking cause as a child I had seizure and unknow high fever 3 mo after

my mmr ran fever for 2 mo after that and then lost my hair in a big patch

which still never grew back.

And my dd had seizure also i am gonna call the Dr to see when she had her

MMR

to see how close in relation it was.

AMY

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/02 3:00:39 AM GTB Standard Time, moira@...

writes:

<<

Actually, the child needs to drop dead on the vaccination table or they

don't consider it an injury. >>

yep,that is my understanding as well according to all the vax injury stories

I have read.

sara

[Guest guest]

Amy,

There is also something called the 'double hit'.

Wakefield mentions it. It is when a child has the first MMR and

everything seems ok, then after the booster at about age 4yrs old, the child

regresses.....

sometimes into autism.......

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.8yrs

South Wales

[Guest guest]

Actually, the child needs to drop dead on the vaccination table or they

don't consider it an injury.

At 12:37 AM 2/23/02 +0000, you wrote:

>Amy,

>

>In the survey that O'Driscoll did with the dogs, there is a

>reaction either immediately, there is another in a couple of days,

>there is another in the 10-14 day range, there is another comeing

>after the 14 days up to 3 months, there is another hit at the 6 month

>mark and again at 12.

>

>They researchers also feel that anything that pops up healthwise -

>chronic or acute can be traced back to vaccinations.

>

>With Parvo, it affects the heart as one of it's leavings. There are

>dogs that are showing up with cardiomyopathy starting anywhere from 6

>years to 10 years. With distemper, it's the gut. With rabies it's

>autoimmune. They all have an effect with seizures. They all affect

>behaviors. I sent a post to the list with the results of the survey

>to the list several weeks ago. A search of the archives will pull it

>up.

>

>To me it doesn't make one bit of difference when something happens.

>If the kid has had a vax and I don't care which kind, it's a vaccine

>reaction.

>

>The problem is, if the kid doesn't drop dead on it's way out of the

>doctors office, it's not a reaction.

>

>Jackie Noel

>www.sagaciousairedales.com

>www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

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