Re: (unknown)

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> i thought white grapes were ok?

> From: " CJ Dir " <gstone98@...>

> Date: 2003/01/03 Fri PM 11:29:45 EST

> < >

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Brunette, If you would like to talk, please feel free to contact me

at my email address above.

Lana

[Guest guest]

>

> > i thought white grapes were ok?

Depends on what you are trying to avoid. They are moderate phenol,

but they do feed yeast, and if you don't peel them they can have mold

spores on the skins.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> as far as phenols go...

> From: " danaatty <danaatty@...> " <danaatty@...>

> Date: 2003/01/05 Sun AM 11:14:43 EST

>

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/06/2003 11:06:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

saraulfsparre@... writes:

> I was just wondering if anyone out there has any

> advice/information etc?

>

Get to a rheumatologist. Most primaries don't know much about PA. Hopefully

you'll find a rheumy with PA experience. MAKE your primary refer you.

[Guest guest]

Sara,

Great advice, " It will get worse " .....! Knowledge is power when it comes to

this battle/disease. Read all you can about both PA and RA, because most of

the meds are very similar. The difference is how the medication is treated

by your insurance, etc. My best advise, is not to panic. You will learn an

important lesson and a considerable younger age than most of us. It is very

important to listen to your body, pace and take care of yourself. If you are

a perfectionist (alot of us are) you must let it go, inch by inch, because

the stress of the undone won't help your health. You also have everyone on

this board to talk/support you. Take advantage of this, the only dumb

question, is the unasked one.

Sara, I am sorry you have this, but your journey is just beginning, and you

will learn alot, gaining wisdom and patience along the way. It all won't be

all BAD, you just learn to enjoy the " small " triumphs and accomplishments,

one by one. What doesn't kill you makes you strong ( I grit this thru my

teeth & pain at times) but it helps.

Genlte Hugs & Prayers

Carol

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

rebecca81r@... writes:

> Well gotto go to bed now since I'm super douper tired. .

>

LOLOL !! I'll just bet you are honey!!! Congrats on a job well

done!!

Donna

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

rebecca81r@... writes:

> Well gotto go to bed now since I'm super douper tired. .

>

LOLOL !! I'll just bet you are honey!!! Congrats on a job well

done!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

well thank you so much

rebecca

>

LOLOL !!   I'll just bet you are honey!!!   Congrats on a job well

done!!

Donna

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Dodie - I can understand why you are feeling down about your son. That is a difficult situation for any parent. Hopefully you will hear from him soon.

Now about the food you ate instead of what you planned, I did the same thing yesterday...big time! But as a dear friend told me, its in the past, that was yesterday, today is a new day. So let's both of us pick ourselves up, take a deep breath, and go forward from this moment on.

Take Care,

311/245/170

[Guest guest]

-dz- Labs are great!!!!!! Happy to hear this part. I will be praying

that you beat the dragons butt for good..... You Go Boy!!!!!!!!!

Angel Hugs,

Diane

May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/9/2003 8:57:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dvaughnprice@... writes:

> I failed

> Dodie

(((Dodie))) - there is no failing! If you are still trying, if you are still

thinking, if you are still doing, you have not failed. You only fail if you

have given up completely, crawled into your shell and given up living.

What happened honey? Share with us..... we are here for you....

[Guest guest]

Well, the truth is I had a really lousy Christmas and I haven't gotten

over it yet, I guess. Besides being sick, my son (who is in college)

not only did not come home for Christmas, he never even called or

contacted me in any way. He sent an email to my parents on the 24th

saying he wasn't coming home. I have not heard from him for over a

month. I don't even know where he is. I'm doing all the extra duties

at school that I can to earn a little extra money and I guess I'm

tired. So, last night I was supposed to have what I wrote on my menu.

Instead I had steak and chocolate icing. I feel like a failure. In

every sense.

Dodie

> In a message dated 1/9/2003 8:57:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dvaughnprice@y... writes:

>

> > I failed

> > Dodie

>

>

> (((Dodie))) - there is no failing! If you are still trying, if you

are still thinking, if you are still doing, you have not failed. You

only fail if you have given up completely, crawled into your shell and

given up living.

>

> What happened honey? Share with us..... we are here for you....

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for being there for me. I hope I'll do better tonight. You

are so kind and thoughtful. You'll never know how much it means to

me. I was ready to just give up and forget about trying to do this.

Thanks so much - Dodie

> Dodie - I can understand why you are feeling down about your son.

That is a

> difficult situation for any parent. Hopefully you will hear from

him soon.

>

> Now about the food you ate instead of what you planned, I did the

same thing

> yesterday...big time! But as a dear friend told me, its in the

past, that

> was yesterday, today is a new day. So let's both of us pick

ourselves up,

> take a deep breath, and go forward from this moment on.

>

> Take Care,

> 311/245/170

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/9/2003 4:22:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dvaughnprice@... writes:

> I hope I'll do better tonight.

Dodie - one step at a time, that's all we need to deal with.

Take Care,

[Guest guest]

I am not " anti " freedom of speech or anything BUT did anyone request this to the

list?????????????????

[ ] (unknown)

Seventy Prophecies fulfilled in His First Coming

Ancient Hebrew writings (Old Testament) written hundreds and some

over a thousand years BC. This is how you know it is true. The

prophecies were very specific and told exactly when and where God

would come to earth. The New Testament (written in Greek after the

death of Christ) confirms these truths.

He would be a descendent of Abraham (Avraham). (Genesis 12:1-3;

18:18; 22:18; 1:1-2,17; Galatians 3:8,16)

He would be from the tribe of Judah (Yehudah) . (Genesis 49:8-10;

Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5)

He would be a descendent of . (2 7:4-5,12-13; 1

Chronicles 17:11-14; Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32-33,67-69; Acts 2:29-30;

1:17; Romans 1:3)

He would be born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem). (Micah 5:2; 2:4-

6; 7:42)

He would be from Nazareth and be called a Nazarene. ( 2:23;

Luke 1:26-27; 1:45; Judges 13:5-7,24)

The exact time of His crucifixion was known (483 years from the

decree to build the temple, which was around 444 B.C.E.). (

9:25; Nehemiah 2:1-8; 5:14)

He would be born of a virgin. (Isaiah 7:14; 1:20-23;

Galatians 4:4; Genesis 3:15)

His name would be Immanuel. Immanuel in Hebrew means " G-d with us. "

(Isaiah 7:14; 1:21-23)

His name would be Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew), which means " Savior "

or " Salvation. " The word Yeshua in Hebrew means " salvation. " It is

derived from another Hebrew word, Yashah, which means " to save,

deliver, preserve, bring salvation, get victory. " ( 1:21)

His name would be the Messiah. The word Christ in English comes from

the Greek word Christos, which means " The Anointed One. " Christos in

Greek is the word Mashiach in Hebrew, which also means " The Anointed

One. " The word Mashiach means " Messiah, " who is Yeshua. ( 1:41)

He would be the only begotten Son of G-d. (Psalm 2:2,6-7; 1:14;

Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:1-2,5)

He would be the Son of G-d and G-d would be His Father.

(Psalm 89:26-27; 2 7:8,12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:7-10; Hebrews

1:1-2,5; Mark 14:36; 20:30-31)

He would be circumcised the eighth day according to the law of

purification. (Luke 2:21-24; Leviticus 12:1-6)

He would go to Egypt and return to the land of Israel.(Hosea 11:1;

2:13-15)

Young babies would die in an attempt to kill Yeshua at His birth.

( 31:15; 2:16-18)

He would be preceded by a messenger (a type of Elijah [Eliyahu] known

as (Yochanan) the Immerser [baptist]) who would prepare the way

of the Lord. (Malachi 3:1; Luke 1:13,76; 11:7,10)

The messenger, (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist), would be

preaching in the wilderness. (Isaiah 40:3-5; Luke 1:13,80,3:2-6)

He would be a prophet like Moses (Moshe). (Deuteronomy 18:15;

1:45; Acts 3:20-23)

He would be anointed of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). (Isaiah

11:1-2; 42:1; 3:16)

He would preach and teach in the temple (Beit HaMikdash). (Malachi

3:1; Luke 4:16; 26:55; 7:28; 8:1-2)

He came specifically to the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.

( 15:21-26)

Yeshua would be rejected by His own people Israel (corporately).

[Note: It should be pointed out that many, many individual Jews were

believers in Messiah during the first century. This can be seen very

clearly by carefully examining , Mark, Luke, , and the

Book of Acts.(Psalm 69:8; 31:11; 88:8,18; Job 19:13; 1:11;

7:3,5)] Yeshua is the stone that the builders rejected.(Psalm

118:22; Isaiah 3:10-12; Romans 9:11)

Yeshua would be received by the Gentiles (corporately). [Note: It

should be pointed out that many Gentiles are not believers in Yeshua

and many others are believers in name only and not true followers

with their hearts. The believers in Messiah are commanded to follow G-

d with all of their heart (Deuteronomy 6:4-9).] (Isaiah 11:10; 42:6;

49:6,22; 54:3; 60:3,5,11,16; 61:6,9; 62:2; 66:12,19; Malachi 1:11;

Luke 2:30-32; Acts 28:28)

He would speak in parables. (Psalm 78:2-4; 13:34-35)

The ministry of Yeshua would be in Galilee. (Isaiah 9:1-2;

4:12-16,23)

His ministry would be to heal the sick, set the captives free, and

preach deliverance. This is known as the basar (gospel) in Hebrew.

(Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:16-21; 4:23; 9:34-35; Acts 2:22;

10:38)

Yeshua was to be the shepherd of Israel because Israel had no

shepherd. (Ezekiel 34:5-10; 1 Kings 22:17; Zechariah 10:2; Genesis

49:22,24; Psalm 23:1; 80:1; Isaiah 40:10-11; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24;

10:11,14-15)

His message would not be believed. (Isaiah 53:1; 12:37-38)

The meek would praise Him. (Psalm 8:1-2; 21:15-16)

Illegal merchandise trading would be done in the temple. (Psalm 69:9;

2:13-17; Isaiah 56:7; 21:12-13)

He would be hated. (Psalm 69:4; 35:19; 109:2-3; 119:161; 15:24-

25)

He would be a reproach to the people. (Psalm 69:9; 89:50-51; Romans

15:3)

He would not seek publicity. (Isaiah 42:1-2; 12:15-19; 9:30;

8:4)

He can be trusted and would be compassionate. (Isaiah 42:3;

12:15,20-21)

No evil words would proceed from His mouth. (Isaiah 53:9; Luke 23:41;

1 2:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:21)

His disciples would forsake Him. (Zechariah 13:7; 26:31-

35,56)

There was nothing physically beautiful in Him to be desired. (Isaiah

53:2; Psalm 22:6; Mark 6:1-3; Philippians 2:7)

He gave up the glory in Heaven for the poverty of earth. (Luke 9:58;

2 Corinthians 8:9)

He would publicly enter Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) before the time of

His crucifixion. (Zechariah 9:9; 21:1-5)

He would ride into Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) on a donkey. (Zechariah

9:9; 21:5)

He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12;

26:14-16)

His betrayal price would be given for a potter's field. (Zechariah

11:13; 27:3,7-10)

He would be betrayed by a friend. (Psalm 41:9; 13:18-21)

Both Jew and Gentile would conspire against Him. (Psalm 2:1-2; Acts

4:27-28; 26:3; 27:1-2)

He would be nailed to a tree. (Deuteronomy 21:22-23; Psalm 22:16;

19:18; 20:25)

He would suffer for others. (Isaiah 53:6; 20:28)

He would die for our sins. (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1

2:24)

He would be mocked. (Psalm 22:7-8; 27:39-43)

He would die with the transgressors. (Isaiah 53: 12; Mark 15:27-28)

He would make intercession for His murderers. (Isaiah 53:12; Luke

23:34)

He would be smitten. (Micah 5:1; Isaiah 50:6; Lamentations 3:30;

26:67; 27:30)

He would be spit upon. (Isaiah 50:6; 26:67, 27:30)

He would be forsaken by G-d. (Psalm 22:1; 27:46)

He would be given gall and vinegar to eat and drink. (Psalm 69:21;

27:34,48)

He opened not His mouth when accused. (Isaiah 53:7; 26:63-64;

27:12-14)

His garments would be parted. (Psalm 22:18; 27:35)

Not one bone would be broken. (Psalm 34:20; 19:33,36)

He would be pierced. (Zechariah 12:10; 19:34,37)

He would be like a lamb going to the slaughter. (Isaiah 53:7; Acts

8:26-35)

He is King of the Jews (and the world). (Psalm 2:6; 18:33,37;

19:19-22)

He would be buried with the rich. (Isaiah 53:9; 27:57-60)

He would die. (Isaiah 53:12; 27:50)

His soul would not be left in hell. (Psalm 16:10; 49:15; 56:13; Acts

2:27,31; 13:33-35)

He would rise from the dead. (Psalm 16:10; Luke 24:6,31,34; Acts 2:27-

31; 13:35)

Others would rise from the dead with Him. (Psalm 68:18; Ephesians

4:8; 27:52-53)

He would rise the third day from the grave. (Jonah 1:17; 1

Corinthians 15:4; Luke 24:45-46; 12:40)

He would ascend into Heaven. (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50-51)

He would sit at the right hand of G-d. (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:2-3;

Ephesians 1:20-21; 1 3:22)

He would usher in a New Covenant (Brit Hadashah). ( 31:31;

Luke 22:20)

He would be a sure foundation to all who believe. (Isaiah 28: 16;

Romans 10:11; 1 2:4-6)

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[Guest guest]

Amy,

I think you have a point.

Many of us only view this as a list for supporting our children with good

medical care. In achieving this area, religion and politics do have to

creep in to our discussions.

However, this forum is for every person of every religion, faith and

political persuasion...or so I thought. We are only here to help our kids

and loved ones. And, I feel that personal beliefs such as religion and

politics only get in the way of important discussions and support.

With that said, Rapture2222 you can send me these notes off list. If

anyone else desires these postings, they should email rapture2222 and let

them know.

I think that is more appropriate.

(, this is your list, so, if I am being presumptious, please let me know!

Warm Regards,

Ed Nemeth

At 02:39 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I am not " anti " freedom of speech or anything BUT did anyone request this

>to the list?????????????????

>

> [ ] (unknown)

>

>

>

> Seventy Prophecies fulfilled in His First Coming

> Ancient Hebrew writings (Old Testament) written hundreds and some

> over a thousand years BC. This is how you know it is true. The

> prophecies were very specific and told exactly when and where God

> would come to earth. The New Testament (written in Greek after the

> death of Christ) confirms these truths.

> He would be a descendent of Abraham (Avraham). (Genesis 12:1-3;

> 18:18; 22:18; 1:1-2,17; Galatians 3:8,16)

> He would be from the tribe of Judah (Yehudah) . (Genesis 49:8-10;

> Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5)

> He would be a descendent of . (2 7:4-5,12-13; 1

> Chronicles 17:11-14; Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32-33,67-69; Acts 2:29-30;

> 1:17; Romans 1:3)

> He would be born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem). (Micah 5:2; 2:4-

> 6; 7:42)

> He would be from Nazareth and be called a Nazarene. ( 2:23;

> Luke 1:26-27; 1:45; Judges 13:5-7,24)

> The exact time of His crucifixion was known (483 years from the

> decree to build the temple, which was around 444 B.C.E.). (

> 9:25; Nehemiah 2:1-8; 5:14)

> He would be born of a virgin. (Isaiah 7:14; 1:20-23;

> Galatians 4:4; Genesis 3:15)

> His name would be Immanuel. Immanuel in Hebrew means " G-d with us. "

> (Isaiah 7:14; 1:21-23)

> His name would be Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew), which means " Savior "

> or " Salvation. " The word Yeshua in Hebrew means " salvation. " It is

> derived from another Hebrew word, Yashah, which means " to save,

> deliver, preserve, bring salvation, get victory. " ( 1:21)

> His name would be the Messiah. The word Christ in English comes from

> the Greek word Christos, which means " The Anointed One. " Christos in

> Greek is the word Mashiach in Hebrew, which also means " The Anointed

> One. " The word Mashiach means " Messiah, " who is Yeshua. ( 1:41)

> He would be the only begotten Son of G-d. (Psalm 2:2,6-7; 1:14;

> Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:1-2,5)

> He would be the Son of G-d and G-d would be His Father.

> (Psalm 89:26-27; 2 7:8,12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:7-10; Hebrews

> 1:1-2,5; Mark 14:36; 20:30-31)

> He would be circumcised the eighth day according to the law of

> purification. (Luke 2:21-24; Leviticus 12:1-6)

> He would go to Egypt and return to the land of Israel.(Hosea 11:1;

> 2:13-15)

> Young babies would die in an attempt to kill Yeshua at His birth.

> ( 31:15; 2:16-18)

> He would be preceded by a messenger (a type of Elijah [Eliyahu] known

> as (Yochanan) the Immerser [baptist]) who would prepare the way

> of the Lord. (Malachi 3:1; Luke 1:13,76; 11:7,10)

> The messenger, (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist), would be

> preaching in the wilderness. (Isaiah 40:3-5; Luke 1:13,80,3:2-6)

> He would be a prophet like Moses (Moshe). (Deuteronomy 18:15;

> 1:45; Acts 3:20-23)

> He would be anointed of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). (Isaiah

> 11:1-2; 42:1; 3:16)

> He would preach and teach in the temple (Beit HaMikdash). (Malachi

> 3:1; Luke 4:16; 26:55; 7:28; 8:1-2)

> He came specifically to the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.

> ( 15:21-26)

> Yeshua would be rejected by His own people Israel (corporately).

> [Note: It should be pointed out that many, many individual Jews were

> believers in Messiah during the first century. This can be seen very

> clearly by carefully examining , Mark, Luke, , and the

> Book of Acts.(Psalm 69:8; 31:11; 88:8,18; Job 19:13; 1:11;

> 7:3,5)] Yeshua is the stone that the builders rejected.(Psalm

> 118:22; Isaiah 3:10-12; Romans 9:11)

> Yeshua would be received by the Gentiles (corporately). [Note: It

> should be pointed out that many Gentiles are not believers in Yeshua

> and many others are believers in name only and not true followers

> with their hearts. The believers in Messiah are commanded to

> follow G-

> d with all of their heart (Deuteronomy 6:4-9).] (Isaiah 11:10; 42:6;

> 49:6,22; 54:3; 60:3,5,11,16; 61:6,9; 62:2; 66:12,19; Malachi 1:11;

> Luke 2:30-32; Acts 28:28)

> He would speak in parables. (Psalm 78:2-4; 13:34-35)

> The ministry of Yeshua would be in Galilee. (Isaiah 9:1-2;

> 4:12-16,23)

> His ministry would be to heal the sick, set the captives free, and

> preach deliverance. This is known as the basar (gospel) in Hebrew.

> (Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:16-21; 4:23; 9:34-35; Acts 2:22;

> 10:38)

> Yeshua was to be the shepherd of Israel because Israel had no

> shepherd. (Ezekiel 34:5-10; 1 Kings 22:17; Zechariah 10:2; Genesis

> 49:22,24; Psalm 23:1; 80:1; Isaiah 40:10-11; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24;

> 10:11,14-15)

> His message would not be believed. (Isaiah 53:1; 12:37-38)

> The meek would praise Him. (Psalm 8:1-2; 21:15-16)

> Illegal merchandise trading would be done in the temple. (Psalm 69:9;

> 2:13-17; Isaiah 56:7; 21:12-13)

> He would be hated. (Psalm 69:4; 35:19; 109:2-3; 119:161; 15:24-

> 25)

> He would be a reproach to the people. (Psalm 69:9; 89:50-51; Romans

> 15:3)

> He would not seek publicity. (Isaiah 42:1-2; 12:15-19; 9:30;

> 8:4)

> He can be trusted and would be compassionate. (Isaiah 42:3;

> 12:15,20-21)

> No evil words would proceed from His mouth. (Isaiah 53:9; Luke 23:41;

> 1 2:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:21)

> His disciples would forsake Him. (Zechariah 13:7; 26:31-

> 35,56)

> There was nothing physically beautiful in Him to be desired. (Isaiah

> 53:2; Psalm 22:6; Mark 6:1-3; Philippians 2:7)

> He gave up the glory in Heaven for the poverty of earth. (Luke 9:58;

> 2 Corinthians 8:9)

> He would publicly enter Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) before the time of

> His crucifixion. (Zechariah 9:9; 21:1-5)

> He would ride into Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) on a donkey. (Zechariah

> 9:9; 21:5)

> He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12;

> 26:14-16)

> His betrayal price would be given for a potter's field. (Zechariah

> 11:13; 27:3,7-10)

> He would be betrayed by a friend. (Psalm 41:9; 13:18-21)

> Both Jew and Gentile would conspire against Him. (Psalm 2:1-2; Acts

> 4:27-28; 26:3; 27:1-2)

> He would be nailed to a tree. (Deuteronomy 21:22-23; Psalm 22:16;

> 19:18; 20:25)

> He would suffer for others. (Isaiah 53:6; 20:28)

> He would die for our sins. (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1

> 2:24)

> He would be mocked. (Psalm 22:7-8; 27:39-43)

> He would die with the transgressors. (Isaiah 53: 12; Mark 15:27-28)

> He would make intercession for His murderers. (Isaiah 53:12; Luke

> 23:34)

> He would be smitten. (Micah 5:1; Isaiah 50:6; Lamentations 3:30;

> 26:67; 27:30)

> He would be spit upon. (Isaiah 50:6; 26:67, 27:30)

> He would be forsaken by G-d. (Psalm 22:1; 27:46)

> He would be given gall and vinegar to eat and drink. (Psalm 69:21;

> 27:34,48)

> He opened not His mouth when accused. (Isaiah 53:7; 26:63-64;

> 27:12-14)

> His garments would be parted. (Psalm 22:18; 27:35)

> Not one bone would be broken. (Psalm 34:20; 19:33,36)

> He would be pierced. (Zechariah 12:10; 19:34,37)

> He would be like a lamb going to the slaughter. (Isaiah 53:7; Acts

> 8:26-35)

> He is King of the Jews (and the world). (Psalm 2:6; 18:33,37;

> 19:19-22)

> He would be buried with the rich. (Isaiah 53:9; 27:57-60)

> He would die. (Isaiah 53:12; 27:50)

> His soul would not be left in hell. (Psalm 16:10; 49:15; 56:13; Acts

> 2:27,31; 13:33-35)

> He would rise from the dead. (Psalm 16:10; Luke 24:6,31,34; Acts

> 2:27-

> 31; 13:35)

> Others would rise from the dead with Him. (Psalm 68:18; Ephesians

> 4:8; 27:52-53)

> He would rise the third day from the grave. (Jonah 1:17; 1

> Corinthians 15:4; Luke 24:45-46; 12:40)

> He would ascend into Heaven. (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50-51)

> He would sit at the right hand of G-d. (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:2-3;

> Ephesians 1:20-21; 1 3:22)

> He would usher in a New Covenant (Brit Hadashah). ( 31:31;

> Luke 22:20)

> He would be a sure foundation to all who believe. (Isaiah 28: 16;

> Romans 10:11; 1 2:4-6)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>Amy,

>

>I think you have a point.

>

>Many of us only view this as a list for supporting our children with good

>medical care. In achieving this area, religion and politics do have to

>creep in to our discussions.

>

>However, this forum is for every person of every religion, faith and

>political persuasion...or so I thought. We are only here to help our kids

>and loved ones. And, I feel that personal beliefs such as religion and

>politics only get in the way of important discussions and support.

>

>With that said, Rapture2222 you can send me these notes off list. If

>anyone else desires these postings, they should email rapture2222 and let

>them know.

>

>I think that is more appropriate.

>(, this is your list, so, if I am being presumptious, please let me know!

>

>Warm Regards,

>Ed Nemeth

>

>

>At 02:39 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>>I am not " anti " freedom of speech or anything BUT did anyone request this

>>to the list?????????????????

>>

Listmembers,

rapture22222@... has just been removed from the list and subsequently

banned from the list.

I'm not sure what his/her purpose was in joining as I don't think he/she

had much interest in the core interests of this list.

I've never had to ban or remove anyone before and try to keep things open

but I don't think rapture22222@... has the same interests *here* that

we do and I suspect his/her removal could have been expected. I just hope

there are no hard

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In a message dated 1/9/03 6:11:52 PM, joannez@... writes:

<< I assume that if he is treating me with tetracycline, and natural

thyroid medicine, and suggested three weeks ago that I would do well

to take the Fong Ton pills >>

What are the Fong Ton pills supposed to do? Anti- inflammatory?

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Greetings! Anybody can subscribe to this list and anybody can post to it. Who

knows, it might have been someone who is a member and believes this info is

relevant for everyone. It would be nice if people would identify themselves,

however.

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" Young, Amy " <AYoung@...> wrote:I am not " anti " freedom of speech

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Seventy Prophecies fulfilled in His First Coming

Ancient Hebrew writings (Old Testament) written hundreds and some

over a thousand years BC. This is how you know it is true. The

prophecies were very specific and told exactly when and where God

would come to earth. The New Testament (written in Greek after the

death of Christ) confirms these truths.

He would be a descendent of Abraham (Avraham). (Genesis 12:1-3;

18:18; 22:18; 1:1-2,17; Galatians 3:8,16)

He would be from the tribe of Judah (Yehudah) . (Genesis 49:8-10;

Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5)

He would be a descendent of . (2 7:4-5,12-13; 1

Chronicles 17:11-14; Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32-33,67-69; Acts 2:29-30;

1:17; Romans 1:3)

He would be born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem). (Micah 5:2; 2:4-

6; 7:42)

He would be from Nazareth and be called a Nazarene. ( 2:23;

Luke 1:26-27; 1:45; Judges 13:5-7,24)

The exact time of His crucifixion was known (483 years from the

decree to build the temple, which was around 444 B.C.E.). (

9:25; Nehemiah 2:1-8; 5:14)

He would be born of a virgin. (Isaiah 7:14; 1:20-23;

Galatians 4:4; Genesis 3:15)

His name would be Immanuel. Immanuel in Hebrew means " G-d with us. "

(Isaiah 7:14; 1:21-23)

His name would be Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew), which means " Savior "

or " Salvation. " The word Yeshua in Hebrew means " salvation. " It is

derived from another Hebrew word, Yashah, which means " to save,

deliver, preserve, bring salvation, get victory. " ( 1:21)

His name would be the Messiah. The word Christ in English comes from

the Greek word Christos, which means " The Anointed One. " Christos in

Greek is the word Mashiach in Hebrew, which also means " The Anointed

One. " The word Mashiach means " Messiah, " who is Yeshua. ( 1:41)

He would be the only begotten Son of G-d. (Psalm 2:2,6-7; 1:14;

Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:1-2,5)

He would be the Son of G-d and G-d would be His Father.

(Psalm 89:26-27; 2 7:8,12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:7-10; Hebrews

1:1-2,5; Mark 14:36; 20:30-31)

He would be circumcised the eighth day according to the law of

purification. (Luke 2:21-24; Leviticus 12:1-6)

He would go to Egypt and return to the land of Israel.(Hosea 11:1;

2:13-15)

Young babies would die in an attempt to kill Yeshua at His birth.

( 31:15; 2:16-18)

He would be preceded by a messenger (a type of Elijah [Eliyahu] known

as (Yochanan) the Immerser [baptist]) who would prepare the way

of the Lord. (Malachi 3:1; Luke 1:13,76; 11:7,10)

The messenger, (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist), would be

preaching in the wilderness. (Isaiah 40:3-5; Luke 1:13,80,3:2-6)

He would be a prophet like Moses (Moshe). (Deuteronomy 18:15;

1:45; Acts 3:20-23)

He would be anointed of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). (Isaiah

11:1-2; 42:1; 3:16)

He would preach and teach in the temple (Beit HaMikdash). (Malachi

3:1; Luke 4:16; 26:55; 7:28; 8:1-2)

He came specifically to the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.

( 15:21-26)

Yeshua would be rejected by His own people Israel (corporately).

[Note: It should be pointed out that many, many individual Jews were

believers in Messiah during the first century. This can be seen very

clearly by carefully examining , Mark, Luke, , and the

Book of Acts.(Psalm 69:8; 31:11; 88:8,18; Job 19:13; 1:11;

7:3,5)] Yeshua is the stone that the builders rejected.(Psalm

118:22; Isaiah 3:10-12; Romans 9:11)

Yeshua would be received by the Gentiles (corporately). [Note: It

should be pointed out that many Gentiles are not believers in Yeshua

and many others are believers in name only and not true followers

with their hearts. The believers in Messiah are commanded to follow G-

d with all of their heart (Deuteronomy 6:4-9).] (Isaiah 11:10; 42:6;

49:6,22; 54:3; 60:3,5,11,16; 61:6,9; 62:2; 66:12,19; Malachi 1:11;

Luke 2:30-32; Acts 28:28)

He would speak in parables. (Psalm 78:2-4; 13:34-35)

The ministry of Yeshua would be in Galilee. (Isaiah 9:1-2;

4:12-16,23)

His ministry would be to heal the sick, set the captives free, and

preach deliverance. This is known as the basar (gospel) in Hebrew.

(Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:16-21; 4:23; 9:34-35; Acts 2:22;

10:38)

Yeshua was to be the shepherd of Israel because Israel had no

shepherd. (Ezekiel 34:5-10; 1 Kings 22:17; Zechariah 10:2; Genesis

49:22,24; Psalm 23:1; 80:1; Isaiah 40:10-11; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24;

10:11,14-15)

His message would not be believed. (Isaiah 53:1; 12:37-38)

The meek would praise Him. (Psalm 8:1-2; 21:15-16)

Illegal merchandise trading would be done in the temple. (Psalm 69:9;

2:13-17; Isaiah 56:7; 21:12-13)

He would be hated. (Psalm 69:4; 35:19; 109:2-3; 119:161; 15:24-

25)

He would be a reproach to the people. (Psalm 69:9; 89:50-51; Romans

15:3)

He would not seek publicity. (Isaiah 42:1-2; 12:15-19; 9:30;

8:4)

He can be trusted and would be compassionate. (Isaiah 42:3;

12:15,20-21)

No evil words would proceed from His mouth. (Isaiah 53:9; Luke 23:41;

1 2:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:21)

His disciples would forsake Him. (Zechariah 13:7; 26:31-

35,56)

There was nothing physically beautiful in Him to be desired. (Isaiah

53:2; Psalm 22:6; Mark 6:1-3; Philippians 2:7)

He gave up the glory in Heaven for the poverty of earth. (Luke 9:58;

2 Corinthians 8:9)

He would publicly enter Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) before the time of

His crucifixion. (Zechariah 9:9; 21:1-5)

He would ride into Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) on a donkey. (Zechariah

9:9; 21:5)

He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12;

26:14-16)

His betrayal price would be given for a potter's field. (Zechariah

11:13; 27:3,7-10)

He would be betrayed by a friend. (Psalm 41:9; 13:18-21)

Both Jew and Gentile would conspire against Him. (Psalm 2:1-2; Acts

4:27-28; 26:3; 27:1-2)

He would be nailed to a tree. (Deuteronomy 21:22-23; Psalm 22:16;

19:18; 20:25)

He would suffer for others. (Isaiah 53:6; 20:28)

He would die for our sins. (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1

2:24)

He would be mocked. (Psalm 22:7-8; 27:39-43)

He would die with the transgressors. (Isaiah 53: 12; Mark 15:27-28)

He would make intercession for His murderers. (Isaiah 53:12; Luke

23:34)

He would be smitten. (Micah 5:1; Isaiah 50:6; Lamentations 3:30;

26:67; 27:30)

He would be spit upon. (Isaiah 50:6; 26:67, 27:30)

He would be forsaken by G-d. (Psalm 22:1; 27:46)

He would be given gall and vinegar to eat and drink. (Psalm 69:21;

27:34,48)

He opened not His mouth when accused. (Isaiah 53:7; 26:63-64;

27:12-14)

His garments would be parted. (Psalm 22:18; 27:35)

Not one bone would be broken. (Psalm 34:20; 19:33,36)

He would be pierced. (Zechariah 12:10; 19:34,37)

He would be like a lamb going to the slaughter. (Isaiah 53:7; Acts

8:26-35)

He is King of the Jews (and the world). (Psalm 2:6; 18:33,37;

19:19-22)

He would be buried with the rich. (Isaiah 53:9; 27:57-60)

He would die. (Isaiah 53:12; 27:50)

His soul would not be left in hell. (Psalm 16:10; 49:15; 56:13; Acts

2:27,31; 13:33-35)

He would rise from the dead. (Psalm 16:10; Luke 24:6,31,34; Acts 2:27-

31; 13:35)

Others would rise from the dead with Him. (Psalm 68:18; Ephesians

4:8; 27:52-53)

He would rise the third day from the grave. (Jonah 1:17; 1

Corinthians 15:4; Luke 24:45-46; 12:40)

He would ascend into Heaven. (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50-51)

He would sit at the right hand of G-d. (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:2-3;

Ephesians 1:20-21; 1 3:22)

He would usher in a New Covenant (Brit Hadashah). ( 31:31;

Luke 22:20)

He would be a sure foundation to all who believe. (Isaiah 28: 16;

Romans 10:11; 1 2:4-6)

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I asked the original question of where it came from. I read the WHOLE thing

(both postings) and did not see how it related to the group. And for the record

I am a practicing Catholic so I hope no one was offended. I just felt that it

was not in the realm of what is usually on the list. Thank you for your

response to the matter. I hope my response did not cause too many 'ripples'.

Thank you.

Amy Young

Program Manager

Lowell Public Schools

Office of Extended Time Programs

(978) 970-5419

[ ] (unknown)

Seventy Prophecies fulfilled in His First Coming

Ancient Hebrew writings (Old Testament) written hundreds and some

over a thousand years BC. This is how you know it is true. The

prophecies were very specific and told exactly when and where God

would come to earth. The New Testament (written in Greek after the

death of Christ) confirms these truths.

He would be a descendent of Abraham (Avraham). (Genesis 12:1-3;

18:18; 22:18; 1:1-2,17; Galatians 3:8,16)

He would be from the tribe of Judah (Yehudah) . (Genesis 49:8-10;

Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5)

He would be a descendent of . (2 7:4-5,12-13; 1

Chronicles 17:11-14; Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32-33,67-69; Acts 2:29-30;

1:17; Romans 1:3)

He would be born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem). (Micah 5:2; 2:4-

6; 7:42)

He would be from Nazareth and be called a Nazarene. ( 2:23;

Luke 1:26-27; 1:45; Judges 13:5-7,24)

The exact time of His crucifixion was known (483 years from the

decree to build the temple, which was around 444 B.C.E.). (

9:25; Nehemiah 2:1-8; 5:14)

He would be born of a virgin. (Isaiah 7:14; 1:20-23;

Galatians 4:4; Genesis 3:15)

His name would be Immanuel. Immanuel in Hebrew means " G-d with us. "

(Isaiah 7:14; 1:21-23)

His name would be Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew), which means " Savior "

or " Salvation. " The word Yeshua in Hebrew means " salvation. " It is

derived from another Hebrew word, Yashah, which means " to save,

deliver, preserve, bring salvation, get victory. " ( 1:21)

His name would be the Messiah. The word Christ in English comes from

the Greek word Christos, which means " The Anointed One. " Christos in

Greek is the word Mashiach in Hebrew, which also means " The Anointed

One. " The word Mashiach means " Messiah, " who is Yeshua. ( 1:41)

He would be the only begotten Son of G-d. (Psalm 2:2,6-7; 1:14;

Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:1-2,5)

He would be the Son of G-d and G-d would be His Father.

(Psalm 89:26-27; 2 7:8,12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:7-10; Hebrews

1:1-2,5; Mark 14:36; 20:30-31)

He would be circumcised the eighth day according to the law of

purification. (Luke 2:21-24; Leviticus 12:1-6)

He would go to Egypt and return to the land of Israel.(Hosea 11:1;

2:13-15)

Young babies would die in an attempt to kill Yeshua at His birth.

( 31:15; 2:16-18)

He would be preceded by a messenger (a type of Elijah [Eliyahu] known

as (Yochanan) the Immerser [baptist]) who would prepare the way

of the Lord. (Malachi 3:1; Luke 1:13,76; 11:7,10)

The messenger, (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist), would be

preaching in the wilderness. (Isaiah 40:3-5; Luke 1:13,80,3:2-6)

He would be a prophet like Moses (Moshe). (Deuteronomy 18:15;

1:45; Acts 3:20-23)

He would be anointed of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). (Isaiah

11:1-2; 42:1; 3:16)

He would preach and teach in the temple (Beit HaMikdash). (Malachi

3:1; Luke 4:16; 26:55; 7:28; 8:1-2)

He came specifically to the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.

( 15:21-26)

Yeshua would be rejected by His own people Israel (corporately).

[Note: It should be pointed out that many, many individual Jews were

believers in Messiah during the first century. This can be seen very

clearly by carefully examining , Mark, Luke, , and the

Book of Acts.(Psalm 69:8; 31:11; 88:8,18; Job 19:13; 1:11;

7:3,5)] Yeshua is the stone that the builders rejected.(Psalm

118:22; Isaiah 3:10-12; Romans 9:11)

Yeshua would be received by the Gentiles (corporately). [Note: It

should be pointed out that many Gentiles are not believers in Yeshua

and many others are believers in name only and not true followers

with their hearts. The believers in Messiah are commanded to follow G-

d with all of their heart (Deuteronomy 6:4-9).] (Isaiah 11:10; 42:6;

49:6,22; 54:3; 60:3,5,11,16; 61:6,9; 62:2; 66:12,19; Malachi 1:11;

Luke 2:30-32; Acts 28:28)

He would speak in parables. (Psalm 78:2-4; 13:34-35)

The ministry of Yeshua would be in Galilee. (Isaiah 9:1-2;

4:12-16,23)

His ministry would be to heal the sick, set the captives free, and

preach deliverance. This is known as the basar (gospel) in Hebrew.

(Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:16-21; 4:23; 9:34-35; Acts 2:22;

10:38)

Yeshua was to be the shepherd of Israel because Israel had no

shepherd. (Ezekiel 34:5-10; 1 Kings 22:17; Zechariah 10:2; Genesis

49:22,24; Psalm 23:1; 80:1; Isaiah 40:10-11; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24;

10:11,14-15)

His message would not be believed. (Isaiah 53:1; 12:37-38)

The meek would praise Him. (Psalm 8:1-2; 21:15-16)

Illegal merchandise trading would be done in the temple. (Psalm 69:9;

2:13-17; Isaiah 56:7; 21:12-13)

He would be hated. (Psalm 69:4; 35:19; 109:2-3; 119:161; 15:24-

25)

He would be a reproach to the people. (Psalm 69:9; 89:50-51; Romans

15:3)

He would not seek publicity. (Isaiah 42:1-2; 12:15-19; 9:30;

8:4)

He can be trusted and would be compassionate. (Isaiah 42:3;

12:15,20-21)

No evil words would proceed from His mouth. (Isaiah 53:9; Luke 23:41;

1 2:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:21)

His disciples would forsake Him. (Zechariah 13:7; 26:31-

35,56)

There was nothing physically beautiful in Him to be desired. (Isaiah

53:2; Psalm 22:6; Mark 6:1-3; Philippians 2:7)

He gave up the glory in Heaven for the poverty of earth. (Luke 9:58;

2 Corinthians 8:9)

He would publicly enter Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) before the time of

His crucifixion. (Zechariah 9:9; 21:1-5)

He would ride into Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) on a donkey. (Zechariah

9:9; 21:5)

He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12;

26:14-16)

His betrayal price would be given for a potter's field. (Zechariah

11:13; 27:3,7-10)

He would be betrayed by a friend. (Psalm 41:9; 13:18-21)

Both Jew and Gentile would conspire against Him. (Psalm 2:1-2; Acts

4:27-28; 26:3; 27:1-2)

He would be nailed to a tree. (Deuteronomy 21:22-23; Psalm 22:16;

19:18; 20:25)

He would suffer for others. (Isaiah 53:6; 20:28)

He would die for our sins. (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1

2:24)

He would be mocked. (Psalm 22:7-8; 27:39-43)

He would die with the transgressors. (Isaiah 53: 12; Mark 15:27-28)

He would make intercession for His murderers. (Isaiah 53:12; Luke

23:34)

He would be smitten. (Micah 5:1; Isaiah 50:6; Lamentations 3:30;

26:67; 27:30)

He would be spit upon. (Isaiah 50:6; 26:67, 27:30)

He would be forsaken by G-d. (Psalm 22:1; 27:46)

He would be given gall and vinegar to eat and drink. (Psalm 69:21;

27:34,48)

He opened not His mouth when accused. (Isaiah 53:7; 26:63-64;

27:12-14)

His garments would be parted. (Psalm 22:18; 27:35)

Not one bone would be broken. (Psalm 34:20; 19:33,36)

He would be pierced. (Zechariah 12:10; 19:34,37)

He would be like a lamb going to the slaughter. (Isaiah 53:7; Acts

8:26-35)

He is King of the Jews (and the world). (Psalm 2:6; 18:33,37;

19:19-22)

He would be buried with the rich. (Isaiah 53:9; 27:57-60)

He would die. (Isaiah 53:12; 27:50)

His soul would not be left in hell. (Psalm 16:10; 49:15; 56:13; Acts

2:27,31; 13:33-35)

He would rise from the dead. (Psalm 16:10; Luke 24:6,31,34; Acts 2:27-

31; 13:35)

Others would rise from the dead with Him. (Psalm 68:18; Ephesians

4:8; 27:52-53)

He would rise the third day from the grave. (Jonah 1:17; 1

Corinthians 15:4; Luke 24:45-46; 12:40)

He would ascend into Heaven. (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50-51)

He would sit at the right hand of G-d. (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:2-3;

Ephesians 1:20-21; 1 3:22)

He would usher in a New Covenant (Brit Hadashah). ( 31:31;

Luke 22:20)

He would be a sure foundation to all who believe. (Isaiah 28: 16;

Romans 10:11; 1 2:4-6)

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HDO-documentation/files/

Download your state EPSDT program

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Marlena,

First, I am very, very close to you and your beliefs and faith. And, you

are correct that this is an OPEN FORUM. Therefore, everyone really is free

to publish anything they want within some reasonable guidelines established

by Freels.

And, finally, there are many of us (including me) that do enjoy reading

things such as rature2222's postings.

However, this forum is to help parents who are struggling with their

children's medical needs. And, these parents are from all faiths,

religions, and political beliefs and not all of them wish to read Christian

Fundamentalist Biblical Prophecies when they thought they would be getting

medical information.

So, my fear is that discussions get diminished by religious or political

arguments, rather than the pragmatic issues that we face daily.

This is only my opinion. And, if many people on the list disagree with me,

then I would be delighted to withdraw this issue. I just fear that these

additional venues become counter productive. And, I sincerely do not want

to leave a single child behind for any reasons.

Perhaps someone could develop and additional list for Christian parents of

disabled, or sick children. I believe that would be a very important site

as many parents travel on this long and lonely journey and ask the question

of " why my child? " . " What good can come of this? " I am that a number of

parents on the list would benefit from that.

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>Greetings! Anybody can subscribe to this list and anybody can post to

>it. Who knows, it might have been someone who is a member and believes

>this info is relevant for everyone. It would be nice if people would

>identify themselves, however.

>

>With Much Respect,

>

>Marlena Orndorff

>

>

> " Young, Amy " <AYoung@...> wrote:I am not " anti " freedom of

> speech or anything BUT did anyone request this to the list?????????????????

>

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>

> Seventy Prophecies fulfilled in His First Coming

> Ancient Hebrew writings (Old Testament) written hundreds and some

> over a thousand years BC. This is how you know it is true. The

> prophecies were very specific and told exactly when and where God

> would come to earth. The New Testament (written in Greek after the

> death of Christ) confirms these truths.

> He would be a descendent of Abraham (Avraham). (Genesis 12:1-3;

> 18:18; 22:18; 1:1-2,17; Galatians 3:8,16)

> He would be from the tribe of Judah (Yehudah) . (Genesis 49:8-10;

> Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5)

> He would be a descendent of . (2 7:4-5,12-13; 1

> Chronicles 17:11-14; Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32-33,67-69; Acts 2:29-30;

> 1:17; Romans 1:3)

> He would be born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem). (Micah 5:2; 2:4-

> 6; 7:42)

> He would be from Nazareth and be called a Nazarene. ( 2:23;

> Luke 1:26-27; 1:45; Judges 13:5-7,24)

> The exact time of His crucifixion was known (483 years from the

> decree to build the temple, which was around 444 B.C.E.). (

> 9:25; Nehemiah 2:1-8; 5:14)

> He would be born of a virgin. (Isaiah 7:14; 1:20-23;

> Galatians 4:4; Genesis 3:15)

> His name would be Immanuel. Immanuel in Hebrew means " G-d with us. "

> (Isaiah 7:14; 1:21-23)

> His name would be Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew), which means " Savior "

> or " Salvation. " The word Yeshua in Hebrew means " salvation. " It is

> derived from another Hebrew word, Yashah, which means " to save,

> deliver, preserve, bring salvation, get victory. " ( 1:21)

> His name would be the Messiah. The word Christ in English comes from

> the Greek word Christos, which means " The Anointed One. " Christos in

> Greek is the word Mashiach in Hebrew, which also means " The Anointed

> One. " The word Mashiach means " Messiah, " who is Yeshua. ( 1:41)

> He would be the only begotten Son of G-d. (Psalm 2:2,6-7; 1:14;

> Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:1-2,5)

> He would be the Son of G-d and G-d would be His Father.

> (Psalm 89:26-27; 2 7:8,12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:7-10; Hebrews

> 1:1-2,5; Mark 14:36; 20:30-31)

> He would be circumcised the eighth day according to the law of

> purification. (Luke 2:21-24; Leviticus 12:1-6)

> He would go to Egypt and return to the land of Israel.(Hosea 11:1;

> 2:13-15)

> Young babies would die in an attempt to kill Yeshua at His birth.

> ( 31:15; 2:16-18)

> He would be preceded by a messenger (a type of Elijah [Eliyahu] known

> as (Yochanan) the Immerser [baptist]) who would prepare the way

> of the Lord. (Malachi 3:1; Luke 1:13,76; 11:7,10)

> The messenger, (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist), would be

> preaching in the wilderness. (Isaiah 40:3-5; Luke 1:13,80,3:2-6)

> He would be a prophet like Moses (Moshe). (Deuteronomy 18:15;

> 1:45; Acts 3:20-23)

> He would be anointed of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). (Isaiah

> 11:1-2; 42:1; 3:16)

> He would preach and teach in the temple (Beit HaMikdash). (Malachi

> 3:1; Luke 4:16; 26:55; 7:28; 8:1-2)

> He came specifically to the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.

> ( 15:21-26)

> Yeshua would be rejected by His own people Israel (corporately).

> [Note: It should be pointed out that many, many individual Jews were

> believers in Messiah during the first century. This can be seen very

> clearly by carefully examining , Mark, Luke, , and the

> Book of Acts.(Psalm 69:8; 31:11; 88:8,18; Job 19:13; 1:11;

> 7:3,5)] Yeshua is the stone that the builders rejected.(Psalm

> 118:22; Isaiah 3:10-12; Romans 9:11)

> Yeshua would be received by the Gentiles (corporately). [Note: It

> should be pointed out that many Gentiles are not believers in Yeshua

> and many others are believers in name only and not true followers

> with their hearts. The believers in Messiah are commanded to follow G-

> d with all of their heart (Deuteronomy 6:4-9).] (Isaiah 11:10; 42:6;

> 49:6,22; 54:3; 60:3,5,11,16; 61:6,9; 62:2; 66:12,19; Malachi 1:11;

> Luke 2:30-32; Acts 28:28)

> He would speak in parables. (Psalm 78:2-4; 13:34-35)

> The ministry of Yeshua would be in Galilee. (Isaiah 9:1-2;

> 4:12-16,23)

> His ministry would be to heal the sick, set the captives free, and

> preach deliverance. This is known as the basar (gospel) in Hebrew.

> (Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:16-21; 4:23; 9:34-35; Acts 2:22;

> 10:38)

> Yeshua was to be the shepherd of Israel because Israel had no

> shepherd. (Ezekiel 34:5-10; 1 Kings 22:17; Zechariah 10:2; Genesis

> 49:22,24; Psalm 23:1; 80:1; Isaiah 40:10-11; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24;

> 10:11,14-15)

> His message would not be believed. (Isaiah 53:1; 12:37-38)

> The meek would praise Him. (Psalm 8:1-2; 21:15-16)

> Illegal merchandise trading would be done in the temple. (Psalm 69:9;

> 2:13-17; Isaiah 56:7; 21:12-13)

> He would be hated. (Psalm 69:4; 35:19; 109:2-3; 119:161; 15:24-

> 25)

> He would be a reproach to the people. (Psalm 69:9; 89:50-51; Romans

> 15:3)

> He would not seek publicity. (Isaiah 42:1-2; 12:15-19; 9:30;

> 8:4)

> He can be trusted and would be compassionate. (Isaiah 42:3;

> 12:15,20-21)

> No evil words would proceed from His mouth. (Isaiah 53:9; Luke 23:41;

> 1 2:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:21)

> His disciples would forsake Him. (Zechariah 13:7; 26:31-

> 35,56)

> There was nothing physically beautiful in Him to be desired. (Isaiah

> 53:2; Psalm 22:6; Mark 6:1-3; Philippians 2:7)

> He gave up the glory in Heaven for the poverty of earth. (Luke 9:58;

> 2 Corinthians 8:9)

> He would publicly enter Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) before the time of

> His crucifixion. (Zechariah 9:9; 21:1-5)

> He would ride into Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) on a donkey. (Zechariah

> 9:9; 21:5)

> He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12;

> 26:14-16)

> His betrayal price would be given for a potter's field. (Zechariah

> 11:13; 27:3,7-10)

> He would be betrayed by a friend. (Psalm 41:9; 13:18-21)

> Both Jew and Gentile would conspire against Him. (Psalm 2:1-2; Acts

> 4:27-28; 26:3; 27:1-2)

> He would be nailed to a tree. (Deuteronomy 21:22-23; Psalm 22:16;

> 19:18; 20:25)

> He would suffer for others. (Isaiah 53:6; 20:28)

> He would die for our sins. (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1

> 2:24)

> He would be mocked. (Psalm 22:7-8; 27:39-43)

> He would die with the transgressors. (Isaiah 53: 12; Mark 15:27-28)

> He would make intercession for His murderers. (Isaiah 53:12; Luke

> 23:34)

> He would be smitten. (Micah 5:1; Isaiah 50:6; Lamentations 3:30;

> 26:67; 27:30)

> He would be spit upon. (Isaiah 50:6; 26:67, 27:30)

> He would be forsaken by G-d. (Psalm 22:1; 27:46)

> He would be given gall and vinegar to eat and drink. (Psalm 69:21;

> 27:34,48)

> He opened not His mouth when accused. (Isaiah 53:7; 26:63-64;

> 27:12-14)

> His garments would be parted. (Psalm 22:18; 27:35)

> Not one bone would be broken. (Psalm 34:20; 19:33,36)

> He would be pierced. (Zechariah 12:10; 19:34,37)

> He would be like a lamb going to the slaughter. (Isaiah 53:7; Acts

> 8:26-35)

> He is King of the Jews (and the world). (Psalm 2:6; 18:33,37;

> 19:19-22)

> He would be buried with the rich. (Isaiah 53:9; 27:57-60)

> He would die. (Isaiah 53:12; 27:50)

> His soul would not be left in hell. (Psalm 16:10; 49:15; 56:13; Acts

> 2:27,31; 13:33-35)

> He would rise from the dead. (Psalm 16:10; Luke 24:6,31,34; Acts 2:27-

> 31; 13:35)

> Others would rise from the dead with Him. (Psalm 68:18; Ephesians

> 4:8; 27:52-53)

> He would rise the third day from the grave. (Jonah 1:17; 1

> Corinthians 15:4; Luke 24:45-46; 12:40)

> He would ascend into Heaven. (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50-51)

> He would sit at the right hand of G-d. (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:2-3;

> Ephesians 1:20-21; 1 3:22)

> He would usher in a New Covenant (Brit Hadashah). ( 31:31;

> Luke 22:20)

> He would be a sure foundation to all who believe. (Isaiah 28: 16;

> Romans 10:11; 1 2:4-6)

>

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> THE PROMISE OF THE RAPTURE

>

> Bernard E. Northrup Th.D.

> (northrup@...)

>

> Introduction

>

> For centuries since the Lord Jesus departed from His disciples, the

> Church largely has focused upon that which He accomplished in His

> death on the cross for those who believe. Only occasionally do we

> find in the writings of the Church fathers in those early centuries

> an emphasis upon His promise that one day He would return. Yet He in

> the upper room clearly had promised to those disciples and to those

> who have believed in Him in the centuries that have followed as a

> result of their ministry that one day He would return. " Do not let

> your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in Me. In

> My Father's house there are many mansions. If this were not so I

> would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I do go

> and do prepare a place for you, I will come again and I will receive

> you unto Myself in order that where I am, there you also may be. And

> where I go you already know and you even know the way " (Jn. 14:1-4).

>

> During the years of His teaching, after His rejection as the Son of

> while He was preparing His disciples for His ministry as the

> Son of Abraham, Christ had taught them that He was going away and one

> day would return. Careful scrutiny of the parables that He taught

> after His rejection in 10-12 will reveal that some of these

> parables focus upon the departure of the King to another land. Others

> focus upon the long stay. Still others focus upon the sudden return

> to those who would believe and on the judgment of the rebels that

> would follow.

>

> Christ's teaching about His return is plainly seen in His explanation

> of the parable of the tares of the field (Matt. 13:36). But it also

> will be seen that there is no reference to that which will happen to

> church age believers in His teaching for that truth had not yet been

> unfolded for believers to understand. " . . . The One Who sows the

> good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world. The good seed

> are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of

> the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is

> the end of the age and the reapers are the angels. Therefore, in the

> same way that tares are gathered and are burned in the fire, even so

> it will be in the end of this age. Then the Son of Man will send out

> His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom everything that

> offends and those who practice iniquity and they will throw them into

> a fiery furnace. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then

> the righteous ones will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of

> their Father. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear " (Matt. 13:37-

> 43).

>

> In the little parable about the pearl of great price Christ pictures

> His work on the cross, His departure from this world and His present

> ministry of saving to the uttermost those whom He would purchase in

> that death on the cross. " Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a

> merchant Who is seeking fine pearls. He, when He had found one pearl

> of great price, went and sold everything that He had and bought it "

> (Matt. 13:45-46). He does not speak of His return in that parable but

> immediately summarizes that which would happen at that time in the

> parable of the dragnet. " Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net

> that is thrown into the sea, that gathers of every kind [of fish].

> When the net is full, they draw it to shore. Then they sit down and

> gather out the good unto containers but they throw the bad [fish]

> away. This is the way that it will be at the end of the age. The

> angels will come forth and they will separate the wicked ones out

> from among the righteous ones. Then they will throw them into the

> furnace of fire and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

> Jesus said to them, 'have you understood all of these things?' They

> said to Him, 'Yes, Lord' " (Matt. 13:47-50).

>

> Now the researcher should recognize that in none of these parables

> which Christ taught to His disciples is there anything which fully

> explains that which will happen to believers of the church age that

> separates them from the wicked before those receive their judgment.

> There is good reason for that. will explain later in His

> epistles that the details concerning that which would happen to

> church age believers at the end of the church age were hidden from

> all Old Testament believers. It will be seen that this is a crucial

> part of the meaning of the term, " mystery. " One thing that must be

> recognized is the fact that, before the cross and resurrection, His

> disciples still were Old Testament believers. Later I will explain

> His statements about those things that believers today can know which

> Old Testament believers were not allowed to understand.

>

> This veil which closed the minds of Old Testament believers begins to

> be lifted slightly at the time of Christ's ascension. Forty days

> after His resurrection, Christ had taken His disciples that Sabbath's

> day journey out of Jerusalem to the Mount of Olives. There He had

> ascended out of their sight. While they stood staring upwards in

> total amazement, they suddenly became aware of two messengers from

> the Lord who were standing near them. These said to them, " You men of

> Galilee, why are you standing gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus,

> Who is taken up from you into heaven, will return in the same way

> that you have seen Him go into heaven " (Acts 1:10-11).

>

> Now a new truth has been revealed to the disciples that deliberately

> had been obscured in Christ's parables about the departure of the

> householder and king. It is a truth for which their hearts were not

> ready before the resurrection. The details of all that would happen

> when Christ would come back for the Church would not be unveiled by

> the Holy Spirit to believers until after the Lord Jesus had returned

> to heaven and the Church had been established through the work of the

> Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Indeed, that veil that obscured

> the glories of the return of the Savior to catch up His Church would

> not be fully lifted until the Holy Spirit directed the human author,

> the apostle , to write of them in so many of the epistles written

> to the churches of New Testament times.

>

> I. THE MYSTERY OF THE RAPTURE REVEALED IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-57

>

> A. A Biblical mystery defined by

>

> There are five major places in 's epistles where he explains this

> fact that there were truths which Old Testament writers and readers

> were not allowed to understand. These passages are Romans 16:25-26,

> Ephesians 3:4-6, 3:9-11, 1 Corinthians 2:6-3:4 and 15:51-57 The

> researcher will see when we examine these passages that refers

> to this fact of the concealment of these truths to the Old Testament

> believer and then the revealing of these truths to the New Testament

> believer in the New Testament by the term, " a mystery. "

>

> 1. 's first definition of " a mystery "

>

> In Rom. 16:25-26 Apostle defines the word " mystery " which also

> he has used in 1 Corinthians 2. His definition is found in the

> benediction which closes that great book. " Now to Him who has power

> to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching about Jesus

> Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept

> secret since the world began, but now is made clear, even through the

> Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the

> everlasting God, made known to all nations for obedience to the

> faith . . . (Rom. 16:25-26).

>

> Now has declared very plainly here that there are two crucial

> elements to a Biblical mystery.

>

> 1. A Biblical mystery contains truth which actually was revealed by

> God through the Old Testament prophets but which carefully was kept

> from their understanding by the Holy Spirit Who is the member of the

> Godhead.

>

> 2. The Biblical mystery now opens the believer's mind today to

> understand that which formerly had revealed and yet had been

> concealed from believers long ago. Thus the two essential parts of a

> Biblical mystery focus first of all upon the concealment of things

> which were utterly unknown to the Old Testament believer and yet were

> present in the Biblical revelation which had been given to them in

> the Old Testament. Then the focus of a Biblical mystery turns to the

> fact that these truths that had been completely unknown to the Old

> Testament prophet or believer now are being unveiled for

> understanding by the New Testament believer. explains both of

> these characteristics of a mystery more clearly in 1 Corinthians 2.

> First of all he explained that, because the unsaved Corinthians could

> not have understood his message if it had been delivered out of the

> depth of what he had come to know or in the manner of the Greek

> philosophers who gloried in their wisdom. " And I, brethren, did not

> come with excellency of speech or [human] wisdom when I came to you

> declaring to you the testimony of God. This is because I determined

> not to know any thing among you except for Jesus Christ, and Him

> crucified. And I was in your presence in weakness and in fear and in

> much trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not in words of

> man's wisdom which entice, but [they were] in the demonstration of

> the [Holy] Spirit and of power. This was in order that your faith

> would not stand in the wisdom of men but rather in the power of God.

> He explains why crucial truths about the Savior were not understood

> prior to the cross.

>

> Then explains that, among mature believers, he had a far more

> extensive message than he had used when seeking to lead these same

> people to Christ. And there, as he develops the subject, he explains

> that even now this Old Testament revelation only can be understood by

> a believer who is in a proper relationship to the Holy Spirit. The

> New Testament believer who continues, after the manner of the unsaved

> man, to walk according to the rule of his or her sin nature rather

> than under the guidance and empowerment of the Holy Spirit will not

> be able to understand the Biblical mysteries. He or she will continue

> to fail to understand that which the Holy Spirit will reveal to the

> spiritual believer.

>

> 2. 's contribution to our understanding of a " mystery "

>

> This is the truth to which the Apostle refers in 1 1. He

> has been introducing the glories of the product of the faith that we

> New Testament believers will enjoy when Christ returns. " Blessed is

> the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ, Who, according to His

> abundant mercy, has caused us to be born again unto a living hope

> through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an

> inheritance which is incorruptible and undefiled, which does not fade

> away, reserved in heaven for you who are kept by the power of God

> through faith unto salvation which is ready to be revealed in the

> last time. You greatly rejoice in this, even though now for a time,

> if it is necessary, you are in heaviness through multiplied trials,

> in order that the trial of your faith, which is much more precious

> than the trial of gold which perishes even though it is tried with

> fire, might be found to be unto the praise and honor and glory at the

> appearing of Jesus Christ, Whom, having not seen, you love, in whom,

> even though you do not see Him now, yet believing, you rejoice with

> joy which is unspeakable and full of glory, receiving the end of your

> faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of this salvation the [Old

> Testament] prophets have inquired and have searched diligently, who

> prophesied of this grace [that comes to New Testament believers],

> searching what or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ, who by

> means of them did indicate, when He testified beforehand about the

> sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow. It was revealed

> to them that it was not unto themselves that they ministered these

> things which now are reported to you by those who have preached the

> gospel to you with the Holy Spirit Who has been sent down from

> heaven, which things [even] the angels long to examine. Wherefore,

> gird up the loins of your mind. Be sober and hope to the end for the

> grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ "

> (1 Pet. 1:3-14).

>

> The truth is plainly stated here by that there were things

> revealed through the Old Testament prophets by the Lord which they

> themselves did not understand, even though these things are found in

> their writings. While does not mention the word " mystery, " it

> is inescapable that he was speaking of that when one considers 's

> definition of a Biblical mystery. And it also will be seen that the

> term covers more than one area of revelation. Here in First ,

> two truths are mentioned that were imbedded in the Old Testament

> prophet's writings, yet were not understood by them.

>

> 1. refers to the sufferings of Christ as one of these areas

> which was not grasped even though there are passages like Isaiah

> 52:13-53:12 which directly speak of Messiah's sufferings.

>

> 2. also speaks of the glory that would follow the sufferings of

> Christ as an area of prophecy which was closed to the understanding

> of the Old Testament writers.

>

> 3. The use of the term " mystery " in 1 Corinthians 2:6-3:4

>

> 1 Corinthians 2 also speaks of the fact that those who were involved

> in the crucifixion of the Messiah did not grasp the fact that their

> actions were fulfilling Old Testament prophecy. " However, we do speak

> wisdom among those who are mature, yet it is not the wisdom of this

> age not that of the princes of this age that comes to nothing, but we

> speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, that which is hidden, even the

> hidden [wisdom] which God ordained before the ages unto our glory,

> which [wisdom] none of the princes of this age knew, for if they had

> known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But [it

> was] just as it is written (in Isaiah 64:4), " Eye has not seen, nor

> has an ear hear, neither has it entered into the heart of man the

> things that God has prepared for those who love Him . . . " (1 Cor.

> 2:6-9).

>

> In 1 Corinthians 2 has begun to speak of the fact that things

> which had been kept a mystery to those under the Old Testament

> economy. This period of Biblical history extends into the New

> Testament. It does not end until the day of Pentecost when the Holy

> Spirit began the formation of the Church, the body of Christ. These

> things that were a mystery to those in the Old Testament economy were

> not understood by those who crucified Christ. describes the Old

> Testament truth that those people who crucified Christ did not

> understand in this way. It was " . . .the wisdom of God in a mystery,

> even the hidden wisdom which God had ordained before the ages unto

> our glory, which none of the princes of this age understood. The

> reason is that, if they had understood it, they would not have

> crucified the Lord of glory " (1 Cor. 2:7-8).

>

> announces that those things that formerly had been hidden in

> God's earlier revelation, the Old Testament, were now part of the

> message which he brought in his preaching and teaching to the mature

> believer of this age. After he finished reporting the inaccessibility

> of these things to those who killed their Messiah, he turns to

> explain that those hidden things now are made understandable by the

> Holy Spirit to believers today. " But God has revealed them unto us by

> His Spirit, because the Spirit searches all things, even the deep

> things of God (1 Cor. 2:10).

>

> The believer today has privileges much greater than the Old Testament

> believer. uses a human illustration to enable us to understand

> that only the Holy Spirit could enable a believer to understand these

> things which no Old Testament believer knew. " For what man knows the

> things of a man except for the spirit of the man which is in him? In

> the same way no man knows the things of God but only the Spirit of

> God, which things we also speak, not in the words which man's wisdom

> teaches but in words which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing

> spiritual things with spiritual words " (1 Cor. 2:11-12).

>

> But the sad thing is that there are many believers, who have the

> Divine Author, the Holy Spirit, residing in them, who do not begin to

> understand the Biblical mysteries. In this larger passage in 1

> Corinthians 2-3 explains a major reason why many believers today

> do not understand his teachings about the mystery which we call " the

> rapture. " This term, which actually is derived from a Latin word,

> long has been applied by those who understood 's teaching about

> Christ's coming in the air. It is the believer's home going when

> Christ returns at the end of this dispensation to take believers out

> of this world before the beginning of the day of the Lord. 's

> teaching on the matter will be explained later.

>

> But here in 1 Corinthians 3:1-4 explains a major hindrance that

> faces New Testament believers and hinders them from grasping teaching

> that was " a mystery. " Now is not delving into the hidden secrets

> of gnosticism here. This is that teaching which corrupted the early

> church and still plagues the church today. Gnosticism exalted human

> wisdom after the manner of the Greek philosophers. It continually

> placed the Word of God under critical scrutiny and subjected it to

> the reinterpretation and the contradiction of the philosopher. Like

> the gnosticism of today, it rejected the obvious meaning of the Word

> of God and intruded an overriding interpretation which flew in the

> face of the obvious intent of the Revelator in His Word.

>

> An example of modern gnosticism may be found in those who trust the

> pronouncements of the evolutionary faith rather than the clear

> statement of the Word of God concerning the event series in God's

> creation and following. These believers reject the obvious meaning of

> Genesis one. They extrapolate the solar days of Genesis into millions

> of years wherein God used the supposedly natural processes of

> evolution to create all things. They do this in order that they may

> straddle the fence between a truly Biblical faith and the

> evolutionary faith of origins that they have been taught in their

> scientific " disciplines. " Another example of modern gnosticism may be

> seen in amillennialism. Those who refuse to believe the Old Testament

> prophecies concerning the future glories of the descendants of

> Abraham in the millennial kingdom exalt their presuppositions above

> the direct revelation of God on the matter. They reinterpret

> prophetic Scripture in order to make its words fit their firmly

> established doctrine that there will be no earthly kingdom of Christ

> on earth.

>

> In 1 Corinthians 2 and 3 gives two possible explanations for

> those religious people who cannot or will not accept the New

> Testament revelation of things which previously had been a mystery.

>

> 1. First of all he shows that people may fail to understand a

> Biblical truth which formerly had been concealed because they

> actually are not believers. Even though they may be religious, they

> still are in their unsaved state and actually are secret unbelievers.

> He describes the individual who is in this category in this way. " But

> the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God,

> [which things He now reveals to the receptive believer], because

> these things are foolishness to him, neither is he able to understand

> them because they are spiritually discerned " (1 Cor. 2:14).

>

> is saying that this man simply can not understand those

> previously hidden things that the Holy Spirit now is revealing to

> mature believers. He is explaining that this is because these things

> are understood only through the illumination of the Holy Spirit, whom

> the natural man has not received since he has not yet even become a

> true believer. Now it always has been understood that this verse

> speaks of the unsaved man's inability to understand spiritual truth.

> But something has been lost when that spiritual truth is not

> considered in the context in which wrote this verse. He has been

> speaking of those in the Old Testament economy who were not able to

> understand the formerly hidden things prophesied concerning the

> sufferings of Christ. Notice that in 1 1:10-14, when has

> explained the inability of the Old Testament prophets to grasp fully

> the things of the Messiah, he has associated " . . . the sufferings of

> Christ and the glory that should follow " (1 Pet. :11). The Old

> Testament prophets did not fail to understand because they were not

> saved. Far from that! But in the case of the unsaved man in New

> Testament times, he never can fully understand the purpose of, the

> nature of, the benefits of nor the application of the sufferings and

> the death of Christ. Neither can he understand the glory that will

> follow. But this indeed is because he has not been saved and does not

> have the Holy Spirit, the Divine Teacher, indwelling him.

>

> 2. That which is true of the unsaved man is true also to a lesser

> extent for the believer in Christ Jesus who has persisted in the ways

> of the old man, who has refused to " . . . walk by means of the [Holy]

> Spirit " (Rom. 8:1, 3 as preserved in the Majority Greek text).

>

> Of course there are many believers who do not intentionally persist

> in walking according to the dictates of his or her flesh. They have

> been left walking " . . . by means of the flesh " (Rom. 8:1, 3) because

> the one who led them to Christ never completed the task of discipling

> them. The one who won them to Christ simply dropped the foundling on

> the church steps. He then walked away as if unconcerned whether the

> new babe in Christ ever grew up spiritually or not. The larger half

> of the Epistle to the Romans, chapters 6-15, is devoted to 's

> five crucial steps of discipling the new believer after he has set

> forth the five crucial steps of soulwinning in chapters 1:16-6:10.

> speaks of his continuing ministry of discipling spiritually

> undeveloped believers in 1 Corinthians 3:1-4. " But I, brethren, was

> not able to speak to you as to spiritual [believers] but as unto

> carnal [fleshly believers], even as to babes in Christ. I have fed

> you with milk and not with solid food because you still were not able

> to understand that, neither are you yet able. The reason is that you

> still are carnal, for in as much as there is among you envy and

> strife and divisions, aren't you still carnal and planning your life

> according to man? For whenever someone on the one hand says, `I am on

> the side of .' But another on the other hand says: `I am on the

> side of Apollos.' Aren't you being carnal? "

>

> I am utterly aghast that there are those, even one of my former

> students, who teach from the pulpit and from the Sunday School podium

> that there is no such thing as a carnal believer. They ignore 's

> explanation in Romans 5:12 through 8:3 that every believer does have

> a sin nature because of his participation in Adam's act in Adam and

> that this nature which has served as the king of his or her life

> since birth still is present in the one who has become a believer.

> For this reason he exhorts the one who has been placed " in Christ

> Jesus " through the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the moment of the

> new birth in this way. I translate Romans 6:11-13 in this way fully

> to transmit the implications of the original Greek text. " For this

> reason you also must reckon yourselves on the one hand to be dead to

> the sin nature but, on the other hand, living to God in Christ Jesus

> our Lord. Therefore stop allowing the sin nature to reign as king in

> your mortal body [the one which is still subject to death] in order

> to obey it in its lusts. Neither should you continue to present your

> members as instruments of unrighteousness to the sin nature, but on

> the contrary, present yourselves once for all to God as one living

> out from among the dead ones [i.e., as one who has been resurrected

> from the dead in Christ Jesus] and your members as instruments of

> righteousness to God "

>

> Much of the confusion which believers face when they are attempting

> to understand 's explanation of the Biblical mysteries is caused

> by the failure of the translators of our English Bibles to recognize

> that the Apostle speaks 30 times of the sin nature between Romans

> 5:12 and 8:3. These references are readily distinguishable from his

> references to sin as an act by his use of the Greek article hee,

> (our " the " ) before the Greek word hamartia " sin " in these 30

> locations. All; of these references must be linked back with 's

> twice repeated reference to the sin nature in Romans 5:12 where he

> explains its origin in the act of rebellion by the fountain head of

> the race. We have that sin nature and the consequences in our lives

> today because, as the seed of Adam, we were " in Adam " when he first

> disobeyed God in the garden.

>

> In Romans 7 explains his own perplexity as a new believer. The

> Mosaic law, which he as a Pharisee had memorized, kept telling the

> one who now had been freed from the law through his death " in Christ

> Jesus " that he still was committing acts of sin. This helped to

> realize that which every believer who eventually can lead a life

> pleasing to God must realize. He still had a very active sin nature

> within himself. Nine times in Romans 7 refers to that nature by

> using the article " the " in front of the word for " sin. " Indeed, there

> are three places in the chapter where he specifically refers to " the

> sin nature that indwells me " or " the sin nature that is in my

> members " (Rom. 7:17, 20 and 23). Failure of a believer to acknowledge

> that he has a sin nature which forces him to be utterly dependent

> upon the Holy Spirit for victory in overcoming its lusts erases from

> his mind the absolute necessity of finding, like the Apostle did, the

> victory over the sin nature which is only obtained through a right

> relationship to the Holy Spirit [the theme of chapter 8 of Romans].

> And failure to enter such a relationship with the Holy Spirit leaves

> the believer as a carnal believer motivated by the intense desires of

> his flesh instead of being led by the Holy Spirit. As a consequence,

> that believer will be greatly handicapped in the understanding of the

> great passages in the New Testament which unfold those Biblical

> mysteries which had been hidden from the Old Testament believer and

> which, as a result, still are obscure to the carnal believer.

>

> plainly is explaining in 1 Corinthians 3:1-4 that spiritual

> immaturity is a major reason why many believers do not understand,

> either partially or fully, those Biblical mysteries which are

> unveiled by the New Testament writers and particularly by .

> Believers who have not learned to avail themselves of the teaching

> and empowering ministry of the Holy Spirit, who do not walk by means

> of the Holy Spirit, in a sense are like the secret unbelievers in the

> church who cannot understand or will not accept the great Biblical

> mysteries which now are unfolded to spiritually mature believers by

> means of the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit through mature

> teachers of God's Word.

>

> 4. 's explanation of " a mystery " in Ephesians 3:1-6

>

> The book of Ephesians is another place where gives us further

> information about those things which were hidden from the Old

> Testament believer even though they were written in the Tenach, the

> Old Testament. Already he was in a Roman prison when he wrote this

> great epistle and further explained the nature of a Biblical mystery.

> He says this in Ephesians 3:1-6. " Because of this grace I , the

> prisoner of Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles---if indeed you

> have heard of the stewardship of the grace of God which was given to

> me for you---that according to revelation He made known to me the

> mystery, just as I previously wrote briefly, with reference to which,

> when you read, you will be able to understand my grasp of the mystery

> of Christ, which in other generations was not revealed to the sons of

> men as it now has been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets by

> means of the Spirit, that is, that the Gentiles should be fellow

> heirs and of the same body, even sharing together in His promise in

> Christ through the gospel " (Eph. 3:1-6).

>

> Once again has stressed the fact that a Biblical mystery relates

> to revelatory which was not explained by the Holy Spirit to mankind

> before the days of the apostles. He also has made it clear that this

> revelatory information now is available because of the ministry of

> the Holy Spirit. But now has added some elements to his

> definition. The very fact that this revelation has been made known

> through the work of the Holy Spirit already has been developed in 1

> Corinthians 2. But the fact that the channel through which the Holy

> Spirit has unfolded these previously concealed things by means of the

> apostles and prophets is new. Furthermore he now shows us that in

> this passage he is dealing with a different mystery than the one

> which we found in 1 Corinthians 2. There the mystery focused upon the

> sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. Here the

> focus is upon the fact that the door of salvation now has been opened

> for Gentiles so that they might enter the blessings of God through

> the gospel. Indeed, he now shows that this mystery contains a truth

> which could not even have been conceived by the Old Testament

> believer that, through the work of Christ as promised in the gospel,

> the Gentiles now could be joined together in one body, the body of

> Christ. But even more astounding is the revelation that the Gentiles

> now become fellow heirs. That can only mean that the Gentiles enter

> into some of the great blessings that had been promised to God's

> chosen people, Israel. Therefore, on the basis of 's explanation

> here in Ephesians 3:1-6, it is obvious that one of the mysteries

> which had been hidden from Old Testament believers was the new

> relationship that Gentiles would have to the Lord and to the physical

> descendants of Abraham. He now elaborates on the fact that he

> uniquely had been chosen to unfold these Biblical mysteries to the

> Church.

>

> 5. 's explanation of " a mystery " in Ephesians 3:7-11

>

> explains how he became a servant of the Lord in presenting the

> grace of God. He marvels that he who had persecuted believers before

> he had become a believer himself should have been chosen to reveal to

> the Gentiles all that God had in store for them. He speaks of the

> gospel. " . . . of which I was made a minister according to the gift

> of the grace of God which was given to me by the effectual working of

> His power, unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, was

> this grace given, in order that I might preach among the Gentiles the

> unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all see what is the

> fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has

> been hidden in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ, to the

> intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be known to the

> principalities and powers in the heavenlies by means of the Church,

> according to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus,

> our Lord. "

>

> The fact that was given this ministry which was to be preached

> among the Gentiles further confirms the fact that the Biblical

> mysteries uniquely are revealed to the Church in this age. That which

> had been hidden from the beginning of time but now is being revealed

> is unfolded by means of the Church. Amazingly, says that this

> revelation of the fellowship of the mystery is a means of displaying

> the manifold wisdom of God. That which is even more amazing in 's

> words is the fact that the revelation of this mystery by means of the

> Church provides revelation to angelic beings. The reference to " the

> principalities and powers in the heavenlies " can only be understood

> as speaking of the angels. Whether this refers only to the holy

> angels or includes the fallen angels as well is a problem. Ephesians

> 6:12 clearly speaks of four ranks of the fallen angels as having

> access to " the heavenlies. " There warns believers about the fact

> that, in order for believers to withstand Satan's attacks, we must be

> aware of the fact that " . . . we do not wrestle against flesh and

> blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the world

> rulers of the darkness of this age, against the evil spiritual forces

> in the heavenlies " (Eph. 6:12).

>

> In Romans 8:38-39 these fallen angels are seen attacking believers,

> but only with the Lord's permission and overriding purpose of

> developing the believer into the likeness of Christ. explains

> that their attacks are part of the " all things " which the Holy Spirit

> may pray into the lives of believers to help them overcome their

> weaknesses an unChristlikenesses. A crucial part of his explanation

> of the role of the 'all things " of Romans 8:28 follows immediately in

> verse 29. These are designed by the Holy Spirit and sent by the

> Father to conform us to the image of Christ. Together the two verses

> reveal this truth. " Now we know that all things work together for

> good to those who are loving God, even to those who are being called

> according to His purpose. The reason is this: whom He foreknew, He

> also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son so that He

> might be the firstborn among many brethren. "

>

> It is to be regretted that many students of the Bible cannot see the

> word " predestined " without immediately turning in their minds to

> think of the Lord's plan and work of bringing those who come to

> believe to salvation. In this context it must be recognized that this

> predestination looks forward and not backward. It looks to that

> glorious day when the children of God ultimately will be conformed to

> Christ's image when we stand before the Father in glory. In Ephesians

> 1:4-5 the same truth is taught but even more clearly once the

> interpreter turns his mind from the day of salvation to the day of

> glorification. A problem which has obscured that which is saying

> in this passage is the translation of huiothesian by " adoption "

> rather than by " adult-son-placing. " The word has nothing whatsoever

> to do with legal adoption of a child into another family. Indeed, we

> are not adopted into God's family. We are born into His family in the

> new birth at regeneration. " But as many as received Him, to them He

> gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe

> in His name, who are born, not of blood, neither because of the will

> of the flesh, nor because of the will of man, but who are born of

> God " (Jn. 1:12). My wife and I perfectly understand the process of

> legal adoption for both of our children were legally adopted into our

> family after being born to others. In the first place the believer is

> not adopted into God's family but is born into His family through the

> new birth. This is precisely that which the Apostle

> teaches. " But as many as received Him, He gave to them the right to

> become the children [not " sons " as KJV] of God, to those believing in

> His name, who were born, not out of blood, neither out of the will of

> the flesh, neither out of the will of man but [were born] out of God "

> (Jn. 1:12-13).

>

> Instead, the Greek word huiothesian speaks of the act that a father

> performs for his son who has become mature. It is a word that

> describes the culmination of the long process of the training of a

> landowner's child. From babyhood in the Greek and Roman cultures the

> child was placed under the tutelage and discipline of the master's

> slaves. These were fully responsible for the education and

> development of the master's child. Finally, when the master had

> determined that his child had reached a stage of maturity where he

> could be acknowledged as and announce to be a mature son, he would

> call all of his slaves together at the front porch of his villa. He

> would robe his now mature son with a beautiful toga and announce to

> those slaves, who for years had supervised the child's development

> and education, " This is my huios, my adult son. From now on you take

> orders from him! " Does not Hebrews 1:14 speak of the angels in such a

> way as to indicate that they minister unto the ones who are about to

> inherit salvation? " Are not they all ministering spirits being sent

> out to minister for the sake of the ones who are about to inherit

> salvation? " Along with the Holy Spirit the guardian angels

> continually are ministering to believers as they look forward to the

> day when these children of God will enter complete maturity in the

> very presence of the Lord of all. They serve the Eternal in preparing

> His believing children in the same way that the slaves of the

> landholder served as they prepared his male children for the day of

> the declaration of their maturity.

>

> This training with a goal of the child's ultimate adulthood is

> precisely the import of the word huiothesian in Romans 8 and in

> Ephesians 1. In the case of the New Testament believer, the Holy

> Spirit who undertakes the responsibility of training and developing

> the child of God, seeks to prepare the one who has been born into the

> family of God as a child so that he will become a mature Son of God.

> In Romans 8 and Ephesians 1 it can be seen that the term actually has

> two meanings. There is a sense in which a believer even today can

> become an adult son of God. refers to this in Romans 8:14. " For

> as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are adult sons

> of God. " However, ultimate adult sonship which does not come until we

> actually stand in the presence of our Lord is the most obvious in

> these contexts. It is to this that is referring in Romans

> 8:23. " And not only so, but we ourselves, having the firstfruit of

> the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly

> awaiting adult son placing, that is the redemption of our bodies. "

>

> Thus it can be seen that Ephesians 1:4-5 can be properly translated

> only in a way that recognizes that predestination there, as in Romans

> 8:29, is looking forward to the day in glory when God's children

> become adult sons of God. " . . . Even as He chose us for Himself in

> Him [in Christ Jesus] before the laying down of the foundation of the

> world, that we might be holy and blameless before him in love, having

> predestinated us unto adult son placing through Jesus Christ to

> Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will. "

>

> Surely it is not difficult to see why there were things hidden from

> the comprehension of the Old Testament believer! There were many

> facets of truth about believers in the age that would come to us that

> were utterly incomprehensible to the Old Testament believer. That is

> not to say that there were no hints of the fact that there would be

> another people created by the Lord at a future time who would be able

> to understand these things. Indeed, the prophet who wrote Psalm 102

> was used to convey this truth and the fact that the Psalm and the

> conversations between the Father and the Son which the Psalm contains

> as the latter faced death would only be understood by yet another

> people. The Father says to the Son about the Psalm's revelation

> concerning the Son's coming death and resurrection that a people

> which would be created would understand its revelation about the

> Messiah's going to the cross before His receiving of His crown. He

> says: " This is written or the generation to come; and the people who

> will be created will praise the Eternal Lord. The reason is that He

> [the Father] has looked down from the height of His sanctuary; from

> heaven did the Eternal Lord look upon the earth to hear the groaning

> of the prisoner [the Old Testament believer confined in sheol until

> the provision of a sacrifice that could take away sin (Jn. 1:29)], to

> loose those who are appointed to death [those who would die after the

> cross], to give an full exposition of the meaning of the name of

> YHWH, the Eternal Lord, in Zion and His praise in Jerusalem when the

> peoples are gathered together and the kingdoms to serve the Eternal

> Lord " (Psa. 102:18-22).

>

> But the interpreter should recognize that these three reasons for the

> delay of the crowning of the King by the Cross of the Savior

> obviously was not unveiled either to the writer of the Psalm or to

> those who read it before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at

> Pentecost. " . . . The sufferings of Christ and the glory that should

> follow. . . " (1 Pet. 1:11) simply were not given meaning to these in

> the old economy. It should not be surprising then to find that there

> are those even today who cannot understand some of the great

> mysteries which are only revealed to mature believers (1 Cor. 2:5-3:4

> which see). Some have been taught false doctrine that conceals the

> truth. Others are yet immature, unable to understand anything that

> goes beyond the preaching of the cross. It will be seen during the

> examination of the rapture, one of these great mysteries revealed in

> the New Testament, that confusion concerning the meaning of the Word,

> concerning the timing of its prophesied events, and concerning the

> actual nature of the event great hinder those who are unable to grasp

> the Biblical teaching concerning the coming of the Lord Jesus in the

> air for those saints, dead or alive, who are in Christ Jesus.

>

> B. The Revelation of the mystery of the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-57)

>

> 1. We will not all sleep but will be changed

>

> Another Biblical mystery of great significance to the believer today

> was revealed by the Apostle in his first epistle to the

> Corinthians. This time that which is revealed is new light on that

> which will happen to believers when the Church age closes before the

> time of 's troubles begins. This is an area of Biblical truth

> where many if not most believers are confused. For some the confusion

> grows out of total failure to recognize 's teaching about this

> crucial transition when all Church age believers since the beginning

> of the Church at Pentecost will enter into the presence of the

> Eternal Lord in their glorified bodies. first presents this

> mystery in a great chapter that corrects the errant thinking of some

> of the Corinthian believers concerning the subject of resurrection. 1

> Corinthians 15 begins as reemphasizes the essential truths of

> the gospel that he had preached to the Corinthians when he had come

> to Corinth from Athens. In verses 1-11 makes it clear that the

> resurrection of Jesus Christ is an essential part of that which a

> person must believe in order to be saved.

>

> actually presents a remarkable amount of information about the

> rapture in 1 Corinthians 15. Later it will be seen in 1 Thesalonians

> 4 that the resurrection of the bodies of departed believers is an

> essential part of the resurrection. In 1 Corinthians 15 utterly

> has contradicted those at Corinth who were holding the doctrine of

> the Saducees that there was no resurrection from the dead for

> believers. He scorns those who acknowledged that Christ had been

> resurrected from the dead but deny that there is resurrection from

> the dead. (12) " Now since it is preached that Christ rose from the

> dead, how is it that some of you say that there is no resurrection of

> the dead?. (13) But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then

> Christ has not risen, (14) and if Christ has not risen, then our

> preaching is empty and your faith also is empty. (15) Yes, and we are

> found to be false witnesses of God, because we have testified about

> God that He raised up Christ, but He did not raise Him up if it were

> so that the dead do not rise. (16) For if the dead do not rise, then

> Christ has not been raised, (17) and if Christ has not been raised,

> your faith is without result and you still are in your sins. (18)

> Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. (19) If it

> is only in this life that we have hope in Christ, we are the most

> miserable of all men. (20) But now Christ has arisen from the dead,

> and He has become the first fruit of those who have gone to sleep

> [i.e., believers who have died]. (21) The reason is that since by man

> came death, the resurrection of the dead also came by man. (22) For

> even as in Adam [the one man through whom death came to the human

> race] all die, even so in Christ [the One Whose resurrection made

> resurrection possible] all [both saved and unsaved, in their own

> order] will be made alive, (23) but every man in his own order. "

> [i.e., the resurrection of Church age believers will come in the

> rapture and others will have their resurrection at their own time].

>

> Israel will have their own resurrection which is described in

> 12 as coming 1335 days after the middle of the great tribulation, or

> 75 days after its end. In that chapter it is revealed to that,

> after the actions of the tribulation world leader that have been

> foreshadowed by those of Antiochus Epiphanes (Dan. 11), three major

> events would befall the people of the nation of Israel. " And at that

> time , the great (angelic) prince who stands for the children

> of your people [israel], will stand up. Then there will be:

> 1. a time of trouble such as never has been since there was a nation

> even to that same time. [The timing of this is developed in verses 6-

> 8].

> 2. And at that time your people (Israel) will be delivered, that is

> everyone that will be found written in the book. (The judgment of

> living Israel is developed in verses 9-11. It is obvious from

> 12:11 that the judgment of living Israel, in preparation for the full

> return of its exiles to the land promised to them long ago, will take

> place 30 days after the last half of the seven years of the time of

> 's troubles. 32:37-44 describes the work of the Eternal

> that brings about the transformation of those who are allowed to

> enter their promised land. Ezekiel 31:33-34 is the plainest statement

> concerning the transformation of the people of the Eternal Lord that

> will take place at that time. Ezekiel 20:33-44 is one of several

> passages in the Tannach that describes this final return of Israel

> from their exile. 25:31-46 develops it very clearly in the

> New Testament). In my work in India checking translation work in the

> Tannach and in the New Testament for tribal peoples living in East

> India, I had a fascinating experience. I was checking the accuracy of

> translation work in the Old Testament book of Leviticus that had been

> done by three leaders of the Manipuri, Tedim Chin and Paite tribes.

> Mani Singh of the Manipuri tribe was translating the work that he had

> done on Leviticus 23:6 back into English, the trade language of

> India, so that I could compare that with the original Hebrew text.

> When he finished translating this verse that describes the keeping of

> the feast of unleavened bread in the week following the observance of

> the passover, he paused and looked very strange. And then, before I

> could comment on his work he said: " Uncle, we do exactly the same

> thing in the Manipuri tribe every spring! " And again, before I could

> comment, Pu Jam of the Paite tribe broke in and said: " And we do too,

> Uncle! " Immediately Thang of the Tedim Chin tribe of western Mayanmar

> also said almost exactly the same thing.

>

> 3. " Then many of them that sleep in the dust will awake, some to

> everlasting life " (the timing of which is explained in verses 11-13.

> According to verse 11). The unsaved dead will not be raised either

> with church age believers in the rapture or with Old Testament

> believers as immediately explains]: Christ the firstfruits [see

> v. 20]; afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. [This

> includes both Church age believers and Old Testament believers, even

> though these resurrections will be separated by more than seven

> years. Christ's coming in the air and His coming to the earth are

> spoken of as if they were one coming]. (24) Then the end

> [resurrection] comes when He will have put down all rule and all

> authority and power, (25) for he must reign until He has put all

> enemies under His feet. [This resurrection is the one that takes

> place at the end of Christ's 1,000 year earthly kingdom rule. Further

> information about this resurrection of the unsaved dead is given

> Revelation 20:5a and 12-15]. (26) The last enemy to be destroyed will

> be death " (1 Cor. 15:12-26).

>

> has spoken of the believers who now are asleep in 1 Corinthians

> 15:18 and 20. Many interpreters have made the mistake of concluding

> that both the body and soul of the believer is asleep today and only

> will awaken at the resurrection of believers. absolutely denies

> that idea in 2 Corinthians 5:6 and 8. (6) " For this reason we are

> always confident, because we know that as long as we are at home in

> the body we are absent from the Lord. (8) We are confident and

> willing rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the

> Lord. " It is inescapable that is announcing that the believer

> who dies goes immediately into the presence of the Lord in his soul

> and spirit. In the Epistle of First Thessalonians 4:13-14

> specifically announces that believers who have departed to be with

> the Lord when their bodies fell asleep in the sleep of death would be

> returning from heaven with Christ when He would return to raise their

> bodies from the dead to return to glory. I believe that is

> speaking of that return in to glory into the presence of the Father

> in1 Thessalonians 3:13. " ...To the end that He may establish your

> hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the

> coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all of His saints. " But as

> speaks of Christ's coming in the air to catch up the bodies of

> departed Church saints and to transform those believers who still are

> alive at that time, it is there that he makes it clear that only the

> bodies of the departed Church age saints lie asleep while they await

> Christ's return from glory for them. Their souls and spirits already

> are with Him precisely as taught in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8. He says

> in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14, (13) " But I do not want you to be

> ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep, in order that

> you will not sorrow in the same way that others [sorrow] who do not

> have any hope. (14) For since we believe that Jesus died and rose

> again, even so also God will bring with Him those who sleep in

> Jesus.... "

>

> No, the entire body, soul and spirit of the believer who has died in

> Christ Jesus does not lie in soul sleep. Only the body lies in sleep,

> waiting to be awakened by the shout of the Savior and the blast of

> the trumpet that will initiate the resurrection of the dead in Christ.

>

> 2. The time of our transformation

>

> a. At the twinkling of an eye

>

> has revealed that the transformation of the believer from the

> life that he has lived in this old body to that glorious, eternal

> state which we will enjoy will take no longer than the flash of light

> that glances off of an eyeball. It will not take the Lord an

> agonizing long time to search out the oceans for the scattered atoms

> of a believer's body who has died in the sea. There will be no

> painfully long wait for the believer whose body has decayed in the

> earth to be reassembled and raised up to be joined with his or her

> soul and spirit. It is the Eternal, all powerful Creator Who at a

> single breath transformed a lump of clay into the wonderful,

> brilliant first man. describes the time in which the

> transformation of the decayed and dispersed body will take place in

> this way. " Behold, I show to you a mystery. We will not all sleep,

> but we all will be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,

> at the last trump [for the Church] for the trumpet will sound and the

> dead [in Christ] will be raised incorruptible, and we will be

> changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this

> mortal must put on immortality " (1 Cor. 15:51-53).

>

> In a moment! At the twinkling of an eye! In effect, the assembling

> and raising of those being resurrected, as well as the time it will

> take for the transformation of all Church age believers who still

> will be living at that moment, fully will be accomplished. In a

> moment! In the twinkling of an eye! Glory!

>

> b. At the last trump (for the Church)

>

> It must be noticed that the text above also tells us that the timing

> of the rapture will be initiated at the blast of the last trump. Now

> many have confused the timing of the rapture by confusing this

> trumpet blast with the sounding of the seventh trumpet by the seventh

> angel in Revelation 11:15. But the sounding of the trumpet at the end

> of the tribulation as described in Revelation 11:15-19 is a trumpet

> which sounds with reference to the people of the nation of Israel and

> the judgment of the nations that have been persecuting Israel during

> the time when the beast has become the world ruler and has set up his

> rule from the city of Jerusalem. All seven of the angelic trumpet

> blasts follow the opening of the seven seals. They do not overlap

> them. After the opening of the seventh seal there is a silence in

> heaven for about one half of an hour before the seven angels with the

> seven trumpets arise to introduce another series of seven terrible

> events which lead up to the close of the tribulation and the

> beginning of the rule of Christ over all of the world. It is an event

> series which brings about the judgment of the nations. But it also is

> an event series which ultimately brings the wayward people of Israel

> to their knees, beseeching the only One Who can cleanse them from

> their sins to come down from heaven and save them. Isaiah 63

> describes the process that will lead to their repentance. Those of

> Israel will have recognized that it is He who will have come from

> Edom where He will have destroyed their enemies as the year of

> vengeance finally has come. They will have recognized the waywardness

> of Israel in the past and that will lead them to begin calling for

> Him to begin once again attending to His wayward people. " Look down

> from heaven and see from the habitation of Your holiness and of your

> Glory. Where is your zeal and your strength, the sounding of Your

> bowels and of Your mercies toward me? Are they restrained " (Isa.

> 63:15). The agony of that prayer will deepen. Eventually Israel will

> cry out: " Oh that You would rend the heavens, that you would come

> down, that the mountains would flow at Your presence even as the

> melting fire burns, the fire causes the waters to boil, in order to

> make Your name known to Your adversaries, in order that the nations

> may come to tremble at Your presence " (Isa. 64:1 Engl.).

>

> The dreadful trials which Isaiah describes as befalling the nation of

> Israel in the days before the Lord Jesus Christ returns to earth in

> response to their prayer above are those described in the book of

> Revelation. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the Church. There

> are only a few chapters of the book of Revelation which relate to the

> Church. Those having to do with the Church on earth are chapters 1-3.

> This section ends as our forerunner, , is caught up in vision to

> see that which would follow here on earth as Israel faces her great

> trials that bring that people into right relationship to their

> Messiah. " After this I looked, and see, a door was opened in heaven,

> and the first voice that I heard was as if a trumpet was talking to

> me which said: 'Come up here and I will show you the things which

> must be after these things " (Rev. 4:1). I am convinced that precisely

> that which heard will be spoken to the Church before the

> tribulation begins. The last trump that sounds at the rapture of the

> Church is the last trump for the Church, not for Israel. The rapture

> takes place before the tribulation.

>

> Those verses in Revelation that speak of the Church in heaven after

> the rapture are found in chapter 19. The primary attention of the

> book of Revelation turns from the terrible judgments which will be

> taking place on the earth during the seven years of the time of

> 's trouble to the glories surrounding the church in heaven

> during that time. It is a chapter that contains the joy and rejoicing

> of the Church as they honor the Lamb, the Lord Jesus. It describes

> the preparation of the Church, the Bride for her return to earth with

> the King, the Lord Jesus. And then the chapter moves on to describe

> the dreadful scene when the King does arrive on earth with all of His

> armies as He judges the nations and prepares earth for His one

> thousand year reign here on earth. No, the rapture of the Church does

> not take place either at the middle of the tribulation or at the end

> of the tribulation. The Church will be in heaven during all of that

> time.

>

> c. After the resurrection of Church age believers whose bodies sleep

> while awaiting the return of their spirits with Christ

>

> also makes it clear that those believers who are alive and who

> remain until the coming of the Lord in the air will only be

> transformed and translated into their eternal state after the

> resurrection of the bodies of those believers whose souls and spirits

> join their resurrected bodies. This clearly says in 1

> Thessalonians 4:15-18. (15) " For we say this to you be the Word of

> the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of th

> Lord will not precede those who are asleep. (16) The Lord Himself

> will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the

> archangel and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ will rise

> first. (17) Then we who are alive and who remain will be caught up

> together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and

> thus we will ever be with the Lord. (18) Wherefore comfort one

> another with these words. "

>

> 3. The nature of our change (1 Cor. 15:53-57)

>

> devotes considerable space to his description of all that will

> take place in our bodies at the time of the rapture. He has said in 1

> Corinthians 15:51, " ...We shall all be changed. " Earlier in the

> chapter he has given more detailed information about the

> transformation of the believer at the rapture. In describing the

> resurrection from a believer's body from the dead he says in 1

> Corinthians 15:42-44: " It is sown in corruption. It is raised in

> incorruption. (43) It is sown in dishonor. It is raised in glory. It

> is sown in weakness. It is raised in power. (44) It is sown a natural

> body. It is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and

> there is a spiritual body. " further describes that which happens

> in 1 Corinthians 15:52-54. (52) " ...The dead will be raised

> incorrupible and we will be changed. (53) For this corruptible must

> put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. As a

> result, when this corruptible will have put on incorruption and this

> mortal will have put on immortality, then the saying that is written

> will be brought to pass, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. "

>

> II. THE TIMING OF THE RAPTURE

>

> Now it is necessary to review the event series in which the rapture

> of the Church will take place. It is crucial that this series of

> events be brought into perspective and that their order of

> occurrences be recognized. Otherwise it is easy for one to fall prey

> to one of the misunderstandings concerning the timing of the rapture

> in the eschatological event series.

>

> A. When the Lord descends from heaven (1 Thes. 4:16)

>

> It is clear from Romans 9-11 that considered the teaching of

> things to come to be a vital part of the discipling through which a

> new believer should be taken. In my book " True Evangelism "

> (or " Biblical Evangelism " )--as practiced by in Romans 1:15-

> 6:10, " I show that practiced five very careful steps in his

> evangelism. This book already has been published on CD by LOGOS in

> Oak Harbor, Washington. In my second book on Romans (in the

> publisher's hands) I show that in Romans 6:10-15:31 then took

> five very careful steps in the discipling of the one who has come to

> Christ. The third step which he took is found in Romans 9-11. In this

> section he focuses upon the teaching of the believer of things to

> come. It is clear that he knew that the understanding of the great

> things that our God is going to do in the future serves as a powerful

> incentive for the believer to live a spiritual life as he or she

> looks forward to these great events in the future.

>

> In 's ministry it is apparent that he practiced the principles,

> both of evangelism and of discipleship which he teaches in the book

> of Romans. Acts 17 describes his work of founding the church at

> Thessalonica. We are told that he came there and that for " ...three

> Sabbath days [he] reasoned with them out of the Scriptures, opening

> and alleging that it was necessary for Messiah to have suffered, and

> to have risen from the dead, and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto

> you is the Messiah. And some of them believed and consorted with

> and Silas, and a great multitude of the devout Jews also and of the

> chief women not a few " (Acts 17:2-4). But the following context shows

> that the unbelieving Jews raised a tumult that greatly troubled the

> city. As a result and Silas left Thessalonica by night and

> traveled on to Berea.

>

> In that short time of three weeks it is obvious from statements made

> in First and Second Thessalonians that had taught the believers

> things to come. But it is also clear from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14

> that he was concerned about the fact that they had not fully grasped

> all that he had been able to teach those believers in the fragments

> of time that he was able to be with them. It is clear that , in

> his first epistle to the Thessalonian church, was writing to help

> them to understand more about the rapture. He sought to help them to

> understand that believers that had died now were with the Lord and

> would be returning to earth with Him to receive their resurrected

> bodies at the rapture. And as he developed that theme in 1

> Thessalonians 4 he also clarified the fact that, when the Lord

> descended from heaven with believers that already had died,

> immediately afterward living believers would be transformed into

> their eternal bodies and caught up to be with the Lord.

>

> B. At the great shout of the Lord (1 Thes. 4:16)

>

> As developed those truths about the resurrection of departed New

> Testament believers who were in Christ Jesus, he adds details

> concerning the immediate event series. Suddenly believers on earth

> would hear the voice of the Lord from heaven as He descended to catch

> up believers, both those resurrected and those transformed to be with

> Him. I have suggested earlier that the call that took , the elder

> statesman of the book of Revelation, into heaven in Spirit to hear of

> the great things which yet were to come. And I have suggested that

> probably is somewhat of a forerunner of the church in this

> regard, and that the shout of the Lord is that which will take us

> from our earthly residence to our promised heavenly residence. Christ

> had said in the upper room in 14:1-3: " Do not let your hearts be

> troubled. You believe in God. Believe also in Me. In My Father's

> house are many mansions. If this were not so I would have told you. I

> go to prepare a place for you. (3) And when I go and prepare a place

> for you, I will come again and I will receive you unto Myself in

> order that where I am, you also may be. " I think that it is

> altogether possible that the voice of God that we will hear will be

> the voice of our Savior speaking the very words to us that He spoke

> to the Apostle long ago. " ...Come up here, and I will show you

> things which must be after this " (Rev. 4:2).

>

> C. At the sounding of the voice of the archangel (1 Thes. 4:16)

>

> At about the same time believers would hear the ringing shout of the

> archangel. The book of Jude in verse 9 leaves no doubt about the name

> of this great angel who is the highest of the angels. His name is

> . And what is it about which he will be shouting? I suspect

> that this great archangel, who will lead the good angels of heaven in

> the war against those angels who have rebelled with Satan during the

> tribulation (Rev. 12:7-9) may be shouting a warning to the hordes of

> the angels who today are obedient servants of Satan. If I am right,

> it is a warning for these fallen angels to stand back and not

> interfere with the events of the rapture of the church age saints.

>

> D. At the blast of the trumpet of God (1 Thes. 4:16)

>

> At approximately the same time our atmosphere will be rent by the

> great sound of the blast of God's trumpet. This sound will ring out,

> either as a part of the warning given to the fallen angels or as a

> call to the saints of this age as they are called forth from earth

> into the Lord's heavenly presence. On the other hand, this great

> trumpet blast may possibly be heard by all who have rejected Christ

> and may serve to indicate that the door of salvation in the Church

> now is closed. But we must never make the mistake of saying that no

> one could be saved after the Church is caught up to heaven. Indeed,

> the book of Revelation makes it clear that there will be multitudes

> who believe during the tribulation. However, these will not be part

> of the Bride of Christ, the Church. The destiny of multitudes of

> these who believe in the tribulation is to die at the hands of the

> world ruler of the tribulation (Rev. 7:9-12). And their heavenly

> destiny is different also. Those who are saved during the tribulation

> serve God in a different way than the Church, the Consort of Christ,

> will serve Him. (14) " ...These are those who have come out of the

> great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them

> white in the blood of the Lamb. (15) Therefore they will be before

> the throne of God, and they will serve Him day and night in His

> temple, and He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. (16)

> They will not hunger any more, neither will they thirst any more,

> neither will the sun light upon them nor any heat, (17) for the Lamb

> Who is in the midst of the throne will feed them, and He will lead

> them unto living fountains of waters, and God will wipe away all

> tears from their eyes " (Rev. 7:14-17).

>

> E. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (1 Cor. 15:51-52)

>

> We have seen in First Corinthians 15:51-52 that the Rapture will be a

> remarkably sudden event. After the resurrection of those in Jesus

> whose bodies sleep in death, " ...We will all be changed in a moment,

> in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet will

> sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be

> changed. " There will be no time for those who have delayed responding

> to the gospel invitation to join the glad group of believers who

> suddenly are launched on their journey to the mansions which the

> Savior has prepared for us. The entire event including the

> resurrection of departed believers and the transformation of living

> believers will take place in the time that it takes a beam of light

> to glance off of the eyeball.

>

> F. At Christ's return with the dead in Christ (1 Thes. 4:13-18)

>

> It was concern on the part of the Thessalonians, apparently conveyed

> to , either by a letter or by a personal messenger, that led the

> Divine Author to direct to give that church further information

> about believers who had died. carefully explained in 1

> Thessalonians 4:13-18 that, while the bodies of these believers were

> asleep, they actually were with the Lord. This is the truth that he

> had conveyed to the Corinthian church in his second epistle to them.

> Earlier in the chapter he has made it plain that the believer who

> dies should expect immediately to be clothed upon with a body in

> heaven. He has contrasted the believer's life in his mortal body with

> the fact that, at death, the believer immediately would be with the

> Lord. " We are confident and willing rather to be absent from the body

> and to be at home with the Lord. Therefore we labor in order that,

> whether present [in one's body] or absent [from one's body in death],

> we may be accepted by Him " (2 Cor. 5:8-9). And in 1 Thessalonians 4

> has made it clear that the home going of all believers will take

> place in that moment when Christ and the great host of believers

> whose spirits already are with the Lord will return from heaven so

> that they may take part in the rapture. says in 1 Thessalonians

> 4:13-14 that the return of Christ and of the departed spirits of

> believers begins that great event. " But I would not have you to

> remain ignorant, brothers, concerning those who are asleep so that

> you do not sorrow, even as others [the unsaved] who do not have any

> hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so

> God will bring with him those who sleep in Jesus. "

>

> G. After the resurrection of the dead in Christ (1 Thes. 4:16c)

>

> Thus is clear that the rapture awaits the return of believers whose

> bodies sleep in Jesus. The rapture cannot begin until they are

> returned to earth from heaven to receive their resurrected bodies.

> Indeed, their resurrection will be the first stage of the rapture.

> And immediately deals with this factor in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-

> 17. (15) " For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who

> are alive and who remain until the coming of the Lord [in the air

> before the tribulation] will not precede [i.e., go before, not

> prevent them. Actually the old Latin word prevenir actually did

> mean " to go before. " The problem is that the English word " prevent, "

> found in the KJV, which is derived from that has changed its meaning

> so completely that it is inadequate any more for conveying the

> information it once gave]. those who are asleep [i.e., who have

> died]. (16) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a

> shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God,

> and the dead in Christ will rise first.... " It is only then that

> believers who still are alive will be caught up. (17) " Then we who

> are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the

> clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so we will be forever with

> the Lord. "

>

> H. At the moment of our up-gathering-together (2 Thes. 2:1)

>

> In Second Thessalonians 2:1 the Apostle introduces a new term to

> describe the assembling of the saints of the Church age and their

> abrupt departure for their heavenly home. In his first chapter

> has been comforting the believers at Thessalonica concerning the

> dreadful trials through which they were passing. There were some

> believers who had concluded that already they were in the great

> tribulation. The first chapter of Second Thessalonians is written to

> quiet the hearts of these believers. It is written to remove their

> confusion concerning their fear that their persecutions and

> tribulations indicated that they already were in the great

> tribulation. He has made it plain that believers will not be involved

> in the righteous judgment of God when He would punish those that did

> not know Him. He describes the escape of believers from that

> tribulation in 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10). (6) " ...It is a righteous

> thing with God to recompense tribulation to those who trouble you;

> (7) and to you who are troubled, rest with us when the Lord Jesus

> will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, (8) in flaming

> fire aking vengeance on those who do not know God and who do not obey

> the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, (9) who will be punished with

> everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the

> glory of His power when He will come to be glorified in His saints

> and to be admired in all them that believe.... "

>

> It is then that introduces the new way of describing the means

> by which believers will escape the sufferings of the great

> tribulation. He continues in chapter two showing the difference

> between the judgment of the unbelievers at His coming from the

> departure of those who will be believers here on earth at the time

> that Christ delivers believers before that time of trouble. He says

> in 2 Thessalonians 2:l-2, (1) " Now we beseech you, brothers, by the

> coming of our Lord Jesus Christ [to earth, which clearly has been

> described in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 above] and by our up-gathering-

> together unto Him, (2) that you should not be shaken in mind or be

> troubled, neither by spirit or by word neither by letter as if it had

> come from us, as [thinking] that the day of the Lord is at hand. "

>

> As we have seen, this glorious moment when we are caught up to be

> forever with the Lord is described by a new word in 2 Thessalonians

> 2:1. There the Greek word episunagooge is used and that carefully has

> been distinguished by from the day in which Christ will suddenly

> appear on earth at the end of the tribulation in fiery judgment upon

> unbelievers. I prefer to translate this single Greek word as " up-

> gathering-together " and recognize that it refers to the rapture. I do

> not accept the application of Granville Sharp's rule to this first

> verse. That would indicate that " the [previously mentioned] coming of

> our Lord Jesus Christ..., " His coming in fiery judgment, and the

> rapture are the same thing or at least occur at the same time. The

> view that insists on this interpretation of the timing of the rapture

> is called " the post-tribulation rapture. " Instead, the following

> context shows that this was the very problem which the Thessalonians

> were facing. Chapter one clearly shows that they thought that the

> trials that they were facing indicated that they were entering that

> terrible time of trouble. plainly tells that church that,

> instead of being troubled of heart and thinking that the day of the

> Lord was upon them, in reality they would be resting beyond the reach

> of the tribulation with which the day of the Lord is introduced. That

> is precisely why he says to that church, " Now we beseech you,

> brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ [to earth, in the

> early stages of the day of the Lord which clearly has been described

> in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 above] and by ourup gathering together [the

> rapture] unto Him, (2) that you should not be shaken in mind or be

> troubled, neither by spirit or by word neither by letter as if it had

> come from us, as [thinking] that the day of the Lord is at hand. "

>

> I. Before the beginning of the day of the Lord

>

> The text can only mean that was comforting these believers. He

> was making it clear that, because the rapture came first and was a

> totally separate eschatological event, they need not be upset and

> worried. They should not think that they had entered that terrible

> time of trouble in which Christ would come to earth to destroy His

> enemies and establish His kingdom on earth. The up gathering together

> of the saints of the Church age destined them to seven years of rest

> while the earth, in great tribulation, still faced the coming of the

> King to establish His millennial kingdom.

>

> Christ had been promised that reign on earth in eternity past in the

> decree. In Palm 2 we have the record of His reporting that promise of

> the Father which was made in the eternal decree. He Who was fully God

> and coequal with the Father was to undertake His subordinate role as

> the Son of God. This He would do in order to accomplish all that was

> to be accomplished in time between the eternities. Psalm 2 records

> Christ's words as He quoted that which had been planned in the decree

> in eternity past. It includes the establishment of the Father/Son

> relationship in which these members of the Godhead would operate

> during time. But it also contains the promise of the Father to the

> One Who would serve in the subordinate position as the Son of God

> between the eternities that He would have an inheritance as His

> reward for that which He would accomplish. Because of all that He

> would do as the Son of God, He was promised in the decree that He

> would receive an earthly kingdom in which He would rule to the ends

> of the earth.

>

> In the light of the interpretation of Psalm 2:7 by Hebrews 1:5,

> Christ is the member of the Godhead Who is speaking in verses 7-9 of

> the Psalm. He says: " I am determined [a determinative form in Hebrew

> which expresses that which He has chosen to do] to relate the details

> of the decree: The Eternal Lord has said to Me, You are My Son. This

> day [i.e., at this time] I become Your Father. " In this verse the One

> Who would become the Messiah relates how His entry into the economic

> relationship with the First Person of the Godhead. That means that

> the ontological, or existence relationship which had existed from

> eternity, in which all three members of the Godhead always had been

> coequal in a perfectly balanced relationship, now was changing in

> order to accomplish all that the Godhead had planned to take place

> between the eternities. The economic relationship is being

> established. This is the working relationship in which both the Son

> and the Holy Spirit assume a subordinate relationship with the Father

> in order to accomplish the work that must be done by them between the

> eternities. This does not mean that either the Son or the Holy Spirit

> is any less God even though this temporary change in relationship has

> been established. Now the Son will take orders from the Father. The

> Holy Spirit will be involved in all that the Son will do on earth.

> And yet the Holy Spirit in some sense also is subordinate to the Son

> and Father. In the upper room Christ said to His disciples, " But when

> the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, even

> the Spirit of truth Who will come forth from [the presence of] the

> Father, He will testify of Me... " (Jn. 15:26).

>

> In Psalm 2:8-9 the Son continues to quote from that which the Father

> had said to Him in the decree. " Ask of Me, for I am determined to

> give [This is the second untranslated, determinative form in the

> Psalm. It is easy to see why the amillennial translators of King

> ' court chose not fully to translate this verb form!] to You the

> heathen for Your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth

> for Your possession. You will break them with a rod of iron. You will

> dash them into pieces like a potter's vessel. " Here then is the

> promise of the Father that lies behind the Father's utter scorn of

> those who thought they could break the bands and the cords of the

> Eternal Lord and His Messiah. Because it was in the eternal decree

> that the Son would rule here on earth, the rejection and death of the

> Messiah which is anticipated in Psalm 2:10-3 absolutely will not

> thwart the plans of the Eternal. Here is the reason for the derisive

> laugh of the Lord sitting in the heavens. When the Jews and Gentiles

> crucified Christ they did not in the least thwart the eternal plan of

> the Godhead. Indeed, they only fulfilled that decree! 'Then He will

> speak to them in His wrath, and He will vex them in His sore

> displeasure. 'Yet will I establish My King [Christ, the Messiah] upon

> My holy hill of Zion' " (Psa. 2:5-6).

>

> Second Thessalonians chapters one and two are but a small portion of

> the revelation given to us in Scripture of the fact that, in great

> violence, Messiah one day will return to earth, will overthrow His

> enemies and will establish His earthly kingdom which will last for

> one thousand years. That will be the fulfilling of the promise made

> to the Messiah, the Son of God, which was made upon His return from

> the Mount of Olives to the Father's presence in heaven. The Eternal

> Lord said to my ['s] Lord, 'Sit at My right hand until I make

> Your enemies Your footstool. The Eternal Lord will send the rod of

> Your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of Your enemies! Your

> people [israel] will be willing in the day of Your power [when You

> rule] in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning. You

> will have the dew of Your youth' " (Psa. 110:1-3).

>

> But the revelation of that great mystery, the rapture, is that the

> Church will not be here on earth at the time " ...when the Lord Jesus

> will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire

> taking vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not

> obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will be punished with

> everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the

> glory of His power when He will come to be glorified in His saints,

> and to be admired in all of those who believe... " (2 Thes. 1:7-10).

> Our episunagooge, our up gathering together is an event that takes

> away the trouble of heart and concern about passing through the

> tribulation stage of the day of the Lord.

>

> Thus the great Apostle assures the troubled church of Thessalonica

> and all even to this age who read of that day and are troubled. " Now

> we beseech you, brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ [to

> earth, in the early stages of the day of the Lord which clearly has

> been described in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 above] and by our up

> gathering together [the rapture] unto Him, (2) that you should not be

> shaken in mind or be troubled, neither by spirit or by word neither

> by letter as if it had come from us, as [thinking] that the day of

> the Lord is at hand. " follows this instruction with a warning

> for the Church to beware of any that teach any other doctrine, a

> warning of crucial importance to the Church of Jesus Christ even

> today. " Let no man deceive you by any means... " (2 Thes. 2:3a).

>

> It is regrettable that the amillennial translators of the King

> Version followed a single very late Greek manuscript and its reading

> of 2 Thessalonians 2:2, which, as a result, incorrectly says " ...that

> the day of Christ is at hand. " The terminology, " the day of Christ "

> clearly is defined in Philippians 1:6-7, 10; 2:10-11 and 16. That

> term most certainly does not refer to the climax of the tribulation

> period here on earth. Instead, it specifically refers to that day in

> which we are in heaven in the presence of Christ. The following of

> that very late reading, " the day of Christ, " desperately obscures

> that which is being revealed about the rapture in this context.

> clearly is contrasting the " up- gathering-together " of Church

> believers in the rapture with the Day of the Lord. The correct

> reading, found in all ancient manuscripts of 2 Thessalonians, is " the

> day of the Lord. " I conclude that this great eschatological period

> begins with the signing of the covenant to bring peace in the land of

> Israel by the one who will become the world ruler for the last three

> and one half years of the tribulation.

>

> I have stated this in my doctoral dissertation, " 's Concept of

> the Day of the Lord, " at Dallas Theological Seminary in 1961. I

> insist that the day of the Lord is that period which lies between the

> signing of that covenant as described in 9:26b-27 and the

> great white throne judgment of unbelievers by Christ in preparation

> for the Day of God. In spite of the misunderstanding of many, these

> verses absolutely are revealing that there is no possibility

> whatsoever that the rapture will occur somewhere in the early days of

> the eschatological period which is called " the day of the Lord. "

> There is to be no confusion at that point.

>

> J. Before the bema or judgment seat of Christ (2 Cor. 5:9-10)

>

> In Second Corinthians 5:10 the Apostle looks forward to that day

> in heaven when believers receive their rewards for the way that they

> have served the Lord while they were here on earth. " Wherefore we

> labor in order that, whether we are present [here on earth before

> death] or absent, we may be accepted by Him. For all of us

> [believers] must appear before the judgment seat of Christ, in order

> that every one may receive the things done in his body, according

> that which he has done, whether it is good or worthless. " It is clear

> that the departure of the Church for heaven in the rapture must come

> before that day when our Judge, the Lord Jesus, determines our

> rewards.

>

> K. Shortly before our coming before God the Father (1 Thes. 3:13)

>

> I conclude that , in First Thessalonians 3:13, refers to an event

> which follows the judgment seat of Christ. He longs for the

> Thessalonian believers to " ...Increase and abound in love toward one

> another and toward all, even as we do toward you, to the end that He

> may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God at the

> coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all of His saints. " To me that

> suggests that we believers should be occupied with living our

> Christian lives in utter devotion to the Lord, allowing Him to

> transform our lives into the glorious pattern of holiness which

> Christ would like to see here on earth. And yet the

> phrase, " ...unblameable in holiness before God " actually will not be

> fully exhibited in us only at the time of our coming before God. For

> us to reach that glorious time when nothing of our shortcomings here

> on earth can only come when Christ at the Bema seat has taken care of

> all of our failures. Only then will be be fully conformed to the

> likeness of Christ as described by in Romans 8:29. " For whom He

> foreknew He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His

> Son in order that He [Christ] might be the firstborn among many

> brethren. " It appears that in 1 Thessalonians 3:13 actually is

> looking forward to that time after the judgment seat of Christ when

> our Savior presents up to the Father, fully conformed to the likeness

> of Jesus Christ. Surely it is of that glorious day of which the

> Apostle is speaking in 1 3:2. " Beloved, we now are the born

> ones of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be. But we do

> know that when He will appear, we will be like Him, for we will see

> Him as He is. "

>

> L. Before the Day of The Lord

>

> 1. The times and the seasons of our departure (1 Thes. 5:1-11)

>

> The word that connects 1 Thessalonians 4 to the 5th chapter

> introduces the review of the truth that already had taught the

> Thessalonians. Once the reader of this section recognizes how

> carefully distinguishes those who will be involved with Christ's

> coming at the rapture from those who will suffer judgment at the time

> of Christ's return to earth, it will become involved that believers

> will not be involved in the suffering of the day of the Lord. The

> pronouns " you, we " and " us, " contrasted with " they " and " them, "

> inescapably draw that distinction. " But about the times and the

> seasons, brothers, you do not have any need for me to write to you.

> (2) The reason is that you yourselves perfectly well know that the

> day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. (3) For when

> they say: 'Peace and safety,' then sudden destruction comes upon them

> like travail comes upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.

> (4) But you, brothers, are not in darkness, with the result that that

> day [the day of the Lord] should overtake you like a thief. (5) You

> all are the sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the

> night or of darkness. (6) Therefore let us not sleep [here the sleep

> of indolence] as do others, but let us watch and be sober, (7) for

> they that sleep, sleep in the night, and they who are drunken are

> drunken in the night. (8) But let us who are of the day be sober,

> putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the assurance of

> salvation for an helmet. (9) For God has not appointed us to wrath,

> but to obtain salvation through our Lord, Jesus Christ, (10) Who died

> for us, so that, whether we are awake [i.e., alive] or sleep [i.e.,

> dead], we should live together with Him. (11) Wherefore you comfort

> yourselves together, and build one another up, even as you also do "

> (1 Thes. 5:1-11).

> It is clear from 's careful distinction that the day of the Lord

> will not come upon believers. The judgment aspect of the early part

> of the day of the Lord is destined to fall upon those who are

> unbelievers and not upon those whom was addressing or even upon

> us. It is obvious that the day of the Lord is not to be a matter of

> fear to the believer for it is upon those who will have ignored the

> gracious invitation of the Lord Jesus to receive His salvation. Yet

> one more section of 's instruction about the rapture, so long

> misunderstood and distorted from its original intent, tells us that

> believers will not be involved in the day of the Lord as recipients

> of the trials and tribulation which will fall upon unbelievers in

> that great day.

>

> 2. During hee apostosia, actually time of our departure

> (2 Thes. 2:1-3)

>

> One of the most painful pieces of Bible translation that the one who

> is interested in eschatology can find is the way that practically all

> translators have treated 2 Thessalonians 2:3. It is in their

> translating hee apostosia as " a [religious] falling away. " In the

> first place the Greek definite article, hee, " the " has been ignored

> or mistranslated by the indefinite article " a " in English by most

> translators. That would seem to be an insignificant change at first.

> However, the definite article repeatedly is used as an article of

> previous reference. That is, it tells us that the noun that follows

> the article refers to a previous mention of the same subject. In

> other words, the reader is told by the definite article to look for

> the same subject earlier discussed by hee apostosia in the

> immediately preceding context. The significance of the mistake of

> ignoring the definite article will become obvious in the following

> discussion.

>

> The second problem in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is the fact that the

> translators have assumed that the noun apostosia is being used in an

> extended meaning, and not in its basic meaning, " departure. " It has

> been translated " a falling away " in the King Bible. The New

> American Standard Bible transliterates the noun into English

> letters, " apostasy, " thus suggesting that the word refers the

> departure of a believer from the truth. This improves the reading

> only in that the definite article is acknowledged and is correctly

> translated by the English article, " the. " But to what previous

> reference to " the departure from the truth " is there in the previous

> context of this book? There is none. And that raises serious question

> concerning the accuracy of the translation of the noun and article,

> hee apostosia by " the apostasy. " The New International Version

> provides a translation that has somewhat better possibility of being

> accurate. It renders the noun " the rebellion. " I say that it has

> somewhat better possibility since there are obvious signs of

> rebellion in chapter one. However the question must be

> asked, " Is " the rebellion " really a valid translation of hee

> apostosia ? Is this a word that properly is applied to the rebellion

> of the unsaved against the Lord Jesus Christ? Would it not be more

> appropriately used of the departure of those involved in the faith

> from their Biblical foundations? But is that the meaning?

>

> Now there are several verses in the New Testament that clearly do

> announce that in the latter days there will be much religious

> apostasy. Indeed, that is precisely the case in the much of the

> Church today. But, by assuming that the Greek noun was referring to

> religious apostasy, the going away from the faith, the translators

> have ignored the possibility that the noun is being used in its basic

> meaning instead of its extended meaning. The noun actually is used in

> its basic meaning in four other passages in the New Testament. It is

> amazing to see modern day translators misunderstanding the meaning of

> the noun when both Tyndale and Cloverdale long ago properly

> translated the phrase simply as " the departure. " And here is the

> basic and common meaning of the noun in Greek useage.

>

> Is there a departure mentioned in the preceding context to which the

> article of previous reference could be pointing? Indeed, there is,

> and it is only two verses before. For this reason I reject the

> translation of hee apostosia in ways that imply that the noun as used

> here refers to religious apostasy. After all, the antecedent " going

> away " or " departure " in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 specifically refers to

> the going away of the Church in " the up-gathering-together " of the

> saints of the Church. For this reason I insist that 2 Thessalonians

> 2:3 must be referring to the rapture and that the verse should be

> translated in this way. " Let no man deceive you by any means

> [including the mistranslating of he apostosia], for that day will not

> come [i.e., the day of the Lord] except the previously mentioned

> going away comes first and the man of lawlessness comes to be

> revealed, the son of perdition. " Properly understood the verse

> perfectly harmonizes with 's comforting assurance in the first

> verse of the chapter that the believers at Thessalonica were not

> already in the day of the Lord. Indeed, verse three gives the basis

> for that assurance. clearly is saying that the day of the Lord

> and the manifestation of the man of sin in the day of the Lord cannot

> possibly arrive before the going away of the Church in the " up

> gathering together, " the rapture of the Church. What a pity that this

> great truth has been lost for so many in the Church as a result of

> the amillennial translators who refused the accurate work of Tyndale

> and Cloverdale because they did not even believe in the rapture, with

> the result that they rendered he apostosia as " a falling away. "

>

> REMEMBER WHEN I TAUGHT YOU THESE THINGS? (2 Thes. 2:5)

>

> No sooner has re-taught these things to the Thessalonian church

> than he reminds them that they had heard these truths before from his

> own lips. " Don't you remember that even while I still was with you, I

> used to tell you these things? " (2 Thes. 2:5). The impact of 's

> rebuke stings even more when one realizes that he carefully had

> taught these things again to that church in 1 Thessalonians 4 and 5.

> How sad it is that the Church today, often like the church at

> Thessalonica, needs to be reminded and rebuked for their careless

> treatment of this great eschatological truth. It clearly promises the

> departure and deliverance of the Church of Jesus Christ from the

> terrors of the seven years and from all of the tribulation which

> faces the world, tribulation which will be climaxed by the glorious

> return of the Lord Jesus Christ with all of His saints to earth.

>

>

> CONCLUSION

>

> One of the great tragedies of Bible translation is the mistake made

> by the English Catholic translators when they translated hee

> apostosia by " apostasy. " That error has been followed by scores of

> other translators in the centuries that have followed. That has

> resulted in the obscuring of 's very precise explanation of the

> time when the rapture would take place has resulted in tragic

> confusion among those who, contrary to 's explicit statement,

> want to expect the rapture at mid-tribulation or at the end of the

> tribulation. Of course that in turn has resulted in a continually

> growing host of confused believers who no longer live their lives in

> the constant expectation of Christ's return in the air at any moment

> for the Church. Indeed, the translation of hee apostosia in such a

> way that it refers only to rising religious apostasy has left

> multitudes of believers open to that confusion which denies the pre-

> tribulation rapture of the Church. While several texts of Scripture

> do teach that the Church will degenerate in its faith and practice in

> the latter days, Second Thessalonians 2:3 is in a context which has

> nothing to do with religious apostasy. The article that accompanies

> apostosia in that text, ignored in many translations, is the key.

> This article of previous reference directly links " the departure " in

> that verse with the previous mention of the departure of the Church

> in " our up-gathering-together. " It leaves no doubt whatsoever that

> the departure of the Church must precede the events which start the

> Day of the Lord, an extended period which will begin with the

> tribulation, the time of 's troubles.

>

> Copyright September 2000 Bernard E. Northrup Th.D. Reprinted by

> permission

>

>

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> IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE

> Bernard E. Northrup

>

> I. THE PROMISE OF THE RETURN (Jn.13:33)

>

>

> Supper was ended; now Judas had gone.

> The disciples were troubled with gloom.

> Night now had fallen; the Christ spoke of home

> While crushed silence of woe filled the room.

> Crystalline clear was the import to each.

> He had said He was going away!

> Jn 13:36-37

> " Lord, where do you go? " then said.

> And He answered: " Though I go, you stay. "

> " Simon, while Satan had asked to sift all,

> I have prayed for your faith in that sieve.

> Trial and heartbreak, denial will come,

> But when strengthened, help these here to live. "

>

>

> " Smitten the Shepherd---offended the sheep

> And the Shepherd be cursed with your breath! "

> " Lord! " cried, " I will follow you there--

> Whether prison or even to death! "

> " Troubled disciples, believe in me now.

> Let your hearts find rest here in words true.

> Jn.14:1-3

> Many abodes are prepared where I go;

> But I go to prepare one for you.

> And if I go to prepare you a place,

> Then for you I will come once again.

> I will receive you then to myself;

> My disciples believe not in vain.

>

>

> I now return to the glory I shared

> With my Father who sent me to you.

> Trouble awaits you, all scattered, alone,

> Bbut the Comforter comes to you too.

> Be of good cheer for my peace I will give

> Through the One who will dwell in your heart.

> He will attend you until that glad day

> When I come and no longer depart.

>

>

> 2. THE WAIT FOR HIS RETURN Lk.24:4, 5, 11

>

> The trauma now had passed,

> The capture, trial and crushing cross,

> The streams of salty tears that coursed

> Their chapped and sunburned cheeks

> While nails had rent the flesh of Him

> That each one loved so much.

>

>

> How black the shroud of night

> That fell to hide the frightful scene!

> How troubled, yes, afraid had been

> Their hearts on Calvary.

> Their hopes had turned to dust

> As He had suffered, bled and died!

> Lk.24:25-27

> But He arose! Alive!

> And they had seen Him forty days!

> For forty days He taught;

> He filled their souls with prophets' words,

> Revealed how they spoke of Him.

> How oft their hungry hearts had burned.

>

>

> Repeatedly they heard Him speak

> And they had handled Him!

> Now proofs infallible were theirs.

> He was the living Christ!

> Where once before He walked u

> Uon the sea before their eyes,

> Jn.21:9,12

> He walked no more but built

> A morning fire upon the shore.

> No water walking there

> For some might always err and think

> A spirit came to them.

> He waited long upon the shore.

>

>

> He broke the bread he baked and fish,

> And they together dined.

> Then, still beside the sea,

> He counseled them about their work

> Which they must do for Him

> While He was gone away from them.

> Jn. 21:22-23

> He hinted at the truth (which we

> Who wait have come to love),

> That some would be alive

> When He should come to them again.

> Some erred who heard. They thought

> He meant before the death of .

>

>

> This plainly denied.

> But some will tarry till He comes!

> Now centuries have passed.

> This promised hope for us has grown.

> When they had seen Him last

> On Olivet they heard these words: Acts 1:10-11

> " You ragged men of Galilee,

> Why stand you gazing at the sky?

> The One whom you have seen Him go

> Shall come again the Way He left! "

> Then do you wonder why

> We wait and look for Him to come?

>

>

> The church that Christ has built

> Has grown and spread throughout the world.

> His faithful very oft have turned

> Their hopeful eyes toward the clouds.

> Now each who reads His Word with care

> Awaits in hope of Him today.

> Each waits the day He will return

> And longs to live to see the day!

>

>

> 3. THE JOY OF HIS RETURN

>

> The church awaits the mystery, 1 Cor. 15:51-53

> The promised hope which we will see

> When He shall come, when we will hear

> That ringing shout so loud, so clear--

> When Christ descends from God above

> To gather those who say in love:

> " Oh come! Christ, quickly come! "

> I Thes.4:13-17

>

> Our hearts will leap to hear His cry,

> To see descending from on High

> Our Lord and His who lie asleep

> In mouldering dust or in the deep--

> Will come with Jesus in that day

> Their trump will sound and He will say:

> " Come forth, you Sons of God! "

>

> The church awaits the mystery,

> The transformation we will see

> When from the heavenly trumpeter

> Our ringing call will reach us clear

> And in a moment's twinkling eye

> We rise, transformed like Him on high!

> " Oh Christ, Oh quickly come! "

> Psa.110:1

> For He is seated up above

> Beside His Father, who in love

> Had sent Him to the manger mound,

> To dreadful cross before His crown.

> He serves His church in work of prayer

> That we might join His presence there.

> " Oh come! Christ, quickly come! "

> Rev.6:8-9 NKJV

> Our elders from their heavenly throne

> Will fall upon their faces prone

> To worship and give thanks to One

> Who was and is and is to come--

> To cast our crowns before His face

> Who made us victors through His grace.

> " Oh Christ! Oh quickly come! "

>

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> TABLE OF CONTENTS

> THE PROMISE OF THE RAPTURE

>

>

> INTRODUCTION..........................................................

> ....................1

>

> I. THE MYSTERY OF THE RAPTURE REVEALED IN 1 COR. 15:51-

> 57.............2

> A. A BIBLICAL MYSTERY DEFINED BY

> PAUL..................................................................

> ..2

> 1. 's first definition of

> a " mystery " ...........................................................

> ..............3

> 2. 's contribution to our understanding of " a

> mystery " ...................................3

> 3. The use of the term " mystery " in 1 Corinthians 2:6-

> 3:4.......................................4

> 4. 's explanation of " a mystery " in Ephesians 3:1-

> 6.............................................8

> 5. 's explanation of " a mystery " in Ephesians 3:7-

> 11...........................................9

> B. THE REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY OF THE RAPTURE (1 Cor. 15:51-

> 57)),....11

> 1. We will not all sleep but will be

> changed...............................................................

> ...11

> 2. The time of our

> transformation........................................................

> ........................14

> a. At the twinkling of an

> eye...................................................................

> ................14

> b. At the last trump (for the

> Church)...............................................................

> ...14

> c. After the resurrection of Church age believers whose bodies sleep

> While awaiting the return of their spirits to return with

> Christ.............15

> 3. The nature of our change (1 Cor. 15:53-

> 57)..........................................................16

>

> II. THE TIMING OF THE

> RAPTURE..................................................16

> A. WHEN THE LORD DESCENDS FROM

> HEAVEN.........................................................16

> B. AT THE GREAT SHOUT OF THE

> LORD..................................................................

> ......17

> C. AT THE SOUNDING OF THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL (1

> Thes.4:16).........17

> D. AT THE BLAST OF THE TRUMPET OF GOD (1

> Thes.4:16)......................................18

> E. IN A MOMENT, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE (1 Cor.15:51-

> 52)....................18

> F. AT CHRIST'S RETURN WITH THE DEAD IN CHRIST (1 Thes.4:13-

> 18)............18

> G. AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD IN

> CHRIST.......................................19

> H. AT THE MOMENT OF OUR UP-GATHERING-TOGETHER (2 Thes.

> 2:1................19

> I. BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY OF THE

> LORD.........................................20

> J. BEFORE THE BEMA OR JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST (2 Cor.5:9-

> 10).............23

> K. SHORTLY BEFORE OUR COMING BEFORE GOD THE FATHER (1 Thes.3:13)..23

> L. BEFORE THE DAY OF THE

> LORD..................................................................

> .................23

> 1. The times and the seasons of our departure (1 Thes.5:1-

> 11)............................23

> 2. During he apostosia, the actual time of our going away (2 Thes.2:1-

> 3)..........24

> REMEMBER WHEN I TAUGHT YOU THESE THINGS? (2 Thes.2:5)...........25

>

> CONCLUSION............................................................

> ....................26

> Poem In the Twinkling of an

> Eye...................................................................

> ..........26

>

>

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> November 8, 2000

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>

> Lambert Dolphin's Library

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