Re: (unknown)

May 11, 2002

sparkybfl wrote:

> Hey Bec,

> I am a huge coffee fan (just didn't want you and Stasia to feel alone). I

also drink at least a pot (black) a day and sometimes 2! (I use the french

press style so that is probably the equivalent of 6 mugs). I drink one pot from

7:30-noon and the second (if I have it) from 3:00-7:00pm. I know I am addicted

to it but for now I just don't care. I have lost 54 lbs as of last Sunday. I

gave up alcohol completely on 11/26/01 and can't give up EVERYTHING!!

> Park

Ack! I read this as " I lost 54 pounds since last Sunday " and I'm thinking that

maybe I should start drinking coffee too!! Woowoo!

Serenity

May 11, 2002

Wow - I'd have to cut my legs off to do that!

Park

Re: (unknown)

sparkybfl wrote:

> Hey Bec,

> I am a huge coffee fan (just didn't want you and Stasia to feel alone). I

also drink at least a pot (black) a day and sometimes 2! (I use the french

press style so that is probably the equivalent of 6 mugs). I drink one pot from

7:30-noon and the second (if I have it) from 3:00-7:00pm. I know I am addicted

to it but for now I just don't care. I have lost 54 lbs as of last Sunday. I

gave up alcohol completely on 11/26/01 and can't give up EVERYTHING!!

> Park

Ack! I read this as " I lost 54 pounds since last Sunday " and I'm thinking

that maybe I should start drinking coffee too!! Woowoo!

Serenity

May 13, 2002

Let's all get together and start negotiating for a Merchant Services

Provider who will give us a great rate on credit cards including the free

machine that should cost about $30 but costs $1200.

I got locked into a rate with B of A at 3% even though I bank with US Bank.

US Bank can't match it so I zap the cards w to B of A and they make a weekly

deposit to US Bank.On top of that the B of A card center is in San Francisco

so when I swipe the card it makes a 1-800 long distance call. Weird but

works.

(I can also get free advice on window treatments and home interiors from the

card service center in SFO, so there's an added benefit.)

I also got the card machine at a going out of business sale for $10. HEE

HEE. The bank wants me to buy a new one that has tons of features that I

don't have like, well, processing credit cards. OK mine does that but it's

so OLD! The new ones have the ability to take debit cards which I don't need

it but I might some day. I should buy it but it's $1200 unless I lease it

from the bank for about #30/ month. It's only $30 and a real doctor wouldn't

worry about it but alas, I do.

Dr. Abrahamson

> From: adesiena@...

> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:56:33 -0700

>

> Subject: (unknown)

>

> FYI

>

> I was interested in changing my office credit card processing so the

> CAO's legislative fund could have a donation. I would recommend this to

> other chiropractors.

>

> My Card Service representative, who processes my office's credit cards,

> tells me Card Service has a $300 penalty if I switch processing while my

> contract with them is in effect. I am told most of the other credit card

> processing companies have similar early termination fees.

>

> DeSiena

>

> OregonDCs rules:

> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster

> communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will

> be tolerated.

> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it

> is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise

> distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her

> consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

>

May 13, 2002

I just started Visa processing at Stalkfleet Chiropractic with Washington

Mutual, and liked everything about the process. They told me where to buy

a refurb imprinter machine with printer for $300, and my average discount

rate based on an estimated $1000 a month business is 3.77%. It goes down

with higher volume. If interested, just go to a WAMU financial center in

your town and talk to a merchant officer.Ron Johansen

On Mon, 13 May 2002 10:16:04 -0700 Abrahamson

<drscott@...> writes:

> Let's all get together and start negotiating for a Merchant Services

> Provider who will give us a great rate on credit cards including the

> free

> machine that should cost about $30 but costs $1200.

> I got locked into a rate with B of A at 3% even though I bank with

> US Bank.

> US Bank can't match it so I zap the cards w to B of A and they make

> a weekly

> deposit to US Bank.On top of that the B of A card center is in San

> Francisco

> so when I swipe the card it makes a 1-800 long distance call. Weird

> but

> works.

> (I can also get free advice on window treatments and home interiors

> from the

> card service center in SFO, so there's an added benefit.)

> I also got the card machine at a going out of business sale for $10.

> HEE

> HEE. The bank wants me to buy a new one that has tons of features

> that I

> don't have like, well, processing credit cards. OK mine does that

> but it's

> so OLD! The new ones have the ability to take debit cards which I

> don't need

> it but I might some day. I should buy it but it's $1200 unless I

> lease it

> from the bank for about #30/ month. It's only $30 and a real doctor

> wouldn't

> worry about it but alas, I do.

>

> Dr. Abrahamson

>

> > From: adesiena@...

> > Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:56:33 -0700

> >

> > Subject: (unknown)

> >

> > FYI

> >

> > I was interested in changing my office credit card processing so

> the

> > CAO's legislative fund could have a donation. I would recommend

> this to

> > other chiropractors.

> >

> > My Card Service representative, who processes my office's credit

> cards,

> > tells me Card Service has a $300 penalty if I switch processing

> while my

> > contract with them is in effect. I am told most of the other

> credit card

> > processing companies have similar early termination fees.

> >

> > DeSiena

> >

> > OregonDCs rules:

> > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve

> is to foster

> > communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve

> members will

> > be tolerated.

> > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

> > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere.

> However, it

> > is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or

> otherwise

> > distribute correspondence written by another member without his or

> her

> > consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

> >

May 14, 2002

Vicky Hi

i am glad to hear about your child not being as sick and hope shes continues to do good

i understand how you feel i also feel theres more sick kids out there worser than even though we wake up every morning in wonder its just a up and down thing this morning woke up and was so pail she didnt say she feels sick though lolol i think one the child gets real sick its a relief to know they may not get as sick again just the effects of this disease everyday hoping for a cure hearing laughing gives me a smile and seeing her doing things even if she says mom can you help me tie my shoe or help me fix my bra or mom i am trying to open this jar and my hands just dont want to cooperate today lolol

well as long as shes smiling and doing that is all i can ask for Robbin

May 14, 2002

Vicky-

It's great Jess is doing so well with relatively little medication. I hope the mtx really does the trick and prevents her from getting any worse. Don't let hearing about sicker kids scare you. Many do quite well, too. As my husband would say, don't worry about problems that might never happen. (I know it's easier said than done). Good luck, and let us know what happens with the mtx.

Diane (, 3, pauci)

May 14, 2002

Hi elizdettrey,

Congratulations on your success!!

What bowel cleanse are you on? What do you mean by " pits " in your eye?

Are the pits on the surface or something you see underneath?

God bless,

KJ

----- Original Message -----

>

> I have been on the formula for 2 weeks and took a look

> at my eyes. I was surprised to notice that I couldn't

> find the pits in my left eye. The only thing I can find

> is a few very narrow slits. My right eye has improved

> also but not as much.

>

> I am going for colonic and hope that I can get more

> plaque dislodged. I believe this has a big influence on

> my eyes. My right eye still has this large pit. And

> my lower back pains sometimes when my bowels are working

> on moving. My guess is that is an indication on this

> large pit in my eye. So it is reasonable to say that

> the bowel will begin to heal itself one you can get all

> that plaque removed. Amino acids are very helpful, I

> saw it for myself. This is a good thing because lately

> I have been feeling very impatient with, " Is this working

> or not? And how much longer for a result? Should I change

> what I am doing? "

God Bless,

KJ

May 14, 2002

Hi Vicky and Jess, Glad to hear that things are going pretty good for you. Thanks for keeping us posted. Keep Smilin':):)Tree:):) (unknown) Hi all, I know I have not been writing much but I have been readingall the messages. I sometimes get depressed reading the postings asmy is not real sick and all the kids I am reading about seemso sick (it makes me want to cry). I keep hoping and praying thatshe will not get real sick. Jess was diagnosed with Systemic OnsetJRA in December, she has been on Naprosyn and then was switched toIndosyn. She went back to see her Rheumy on Tuesday (May 7) and theydid more blood work. Her CRP level has continued to go down and isat 1.1 with .5 being normal. Her Rheumy has decided to put her on alow does of MTX to try and nip this thing in the bud and get herlevels back to normal. She took her first does (pill form) on Fridayand did well with it. I am hoping this will be all it takes to headoff this nasty disease before it affects her joints. She has not hadthe fevers since a week or so after starting on the Naprosyn but hascontinued to have the rash. I pray for all of you every day and forJess as well. Children do not deserve to be this sick.Vicky ( 7, systemic)

May 14, 2002

Dear Jona, You have a very creative mind, and a mind in fear will create what it needs to squash that fear. When I was facing my first hip surgery I put it off for two years thinking I could not die with a small child for my husband to raise alone. I was so fearful of dying that all kinds of simple things started to scare me. It was just fear talking, fear of the unknown, and being out of control and helpless to a point. When I finally was forced to have the surgery I then change my fears to wild dreams about waking in the operating room with a fire alarm going off and i was on one table and my leg was on another. I was advised to watch a hip replacement surgery and I never had those awful dreams again. Our bodies have some special ways to deal with fear and stress and anxiety , the best way to deal with it is to when you can't do anything about a situation just give it to God , the rest is all about educating yourself because knowledge is power over fear. Also you have made a huge step by just writing this email and probably seeing that we all have those days when we wished everything was different and we could change something or time, that would put everything back the way it used to be. Venting on here is just like going to therapy in alot of ways only we're cheaper , ( dare I say more knowledgable lol) , compassionate and we always have your best interest at heart because most of us have walked more than a few miles in your shoes :):):)Tree:):):) (unknown) Children do not deserve to be this sick. Vicky ( 7, systemic) Hi, I copied that last sentence from your post and just wanted to say that that is my thoughts exactly. I just can't understand why, but I guess there is a reason for everything, but it still makes no since to me. And please don't feel bad because your child is not as sick as some. You should feel very fortunate, but I do know how you feel and I know its hard to not feel that way. Its just sad for these kids and I have prayed to god so many times to please take this disease from my child and give it to me instead; I would do anything if I could trade places with my baby. I would do it in a heartbeat. And something else that I wanted to post, I know you all are gonna think that I am crazy but I just have to get this off my chest; Has anybody ever wondered about the cause of this disease, well crazy things run through my head that I just can't get out of my head, like ; "what if when the doctor gave my baby her immunization it was really some kind of experimental drug and thats what caused this disease?" and "What if thats how everyone who has this disease got this disease, when a doctor gave them some kind of shot and it was an experimental drug that had never been tested on a human before?" And I just keep thinking about it and I think," well the doctors have to have someone to test experimental drugs on and I don't know what's really in that needle" Please don't kick me out of this group for posting this, I just had to get that off of chest and see if anyone else ever thinks like that or am I reaaly crazy? Hugs to everyone! Jona,mom of na 2 poly

May 15, 2002

Jona

darling i have thought of the same thing i have wondered ALOT what i have done to cause this on my child and i would take it from her and deal with it if she could be as she once was running playing and skates on all the time and riding her bike everyday

hanging out with the friends and never seen a wheelchair or braces and feel pain as she has theres a reason for everything i just wish i knew what the reason was so i could do better

the baby shots i really wonder about because she did get them and so did my son but at different times in life was allergic to the MMR shot was it where i took her was it where i shopped or was it the clothes i bought her or the washing powders i used in the back of my head i still wonder about what went wrong was it because i didnt watch her closer or didnt say i love you enough or was it something i did like maybe call my mom enough the old saying is what comes around goes around god i never disrespected no one i have been as honest a person as i can be do for others kinda like the person who takes the 10 commandments seriously but dont go to church much or was it that i had to care for my mother in law and father in law because thier own kids wanted to ship them to a nurseing home and throw them away and those nights that i had to get up at 2am and rush them to the ER and had to go with me because she wouldnt stay at home many nights spent like that for 5 years or was it the fertility drug i took to get my angel that backfired on me because i wanted my little angel after haveing my son then 3 miscarriages

the doctor plainly said you cant have anymore kids then one doctor said ok lets try this and i jumped on it things fly through my head i have to think in the NOW and the future right now

i was given a angel and shes special no matter what i was picked to have and i wouldnt have lost the chance to experience this for the world god thought each of us was special enough to have these kids and he knew we are fighters and our kids will have a more fighting power JRA may have strickened our kids but its NOT going to ruin their life because we as parents are tough enough and rough enough to have our kids inherit our fighting powers of nothings going to stop us now and with each passing day is a day we and our kids survive years and years ago this disease rhuematic was fatal now its getting better survivable with pain and boy i dont like to see the pain in these kids but theres medication

to try and relieve it god will always look after his kids no matter what when you get down and sad read "Foot Prints In The Sand"

i have all difference inspirational things on my walls here and each day i will read at least one and also see i can do anything impossible with the strength of god where do you think we get that extra strength to go on from?

do we get it because we dont have faith hope and love?

faith to believe hope to go on love to keep me Robbin

PS

Jona

vent anytime sweetie no one will get on to you because of what your thinking its called venting and getting angery about whats going on with your angel

this is why we as a group are here to listen

and (((((((((((((((((Jona))))))))))))))))))

May 15, 2002

Jona..I don't think anyone is going to kick you off the post or think you

are crazy. We have all wondered ourselves about how and why and where did

old Arthur get its ugly face!!! If you go to the main at ..in

the archives(i hope i spelled that right) there should be lots of post on

it..where people have posted and asked the same question. I was told by a

pedy rheumy that it is hereditary and could be from generations ago..now

with Tabitha we believe that she had it in her body but it was asleep..or

dormant..when she was 4 she had bruised her middle thumb on a swing...which

of course this was figured out after the initial diagnosis. She got a stiff

neck to where her neck would touch her chest..she could barely chew her food

when she ate..well i thought at first she just slept wrong...well then the

high fevers started at night mostly..so I ended up taking her to a local

emergency room..which at first the doctor said her neck was stiff due to a

sore throat..even though he couldn't look at her throat..I then told him

that she is 4 and a half and old enough to tell me when her throat is

bothering her..So I asked him to xray her neck and her finger(because the

swelling was still there)then he ordered blood test..that was back in 89'

but he came and told me..she had arthritis..i was in shock as many are..to

hear a child has arthritis..so she spent a week there and then a week at

childrens hospital of pittsburgh..

okay..i got off track..anyways..the doctor and i believe it was actually the

bruising of her middle finger that triggered the arthrits and then it just

started to keep going.

Now I don't actually know of anyone in my family who has had jra..but on my

dads side a lady told me that there was someone who had years ago..for my

sanity I had to stop wondering and blaming this and that to go on..for

Tabithas sake and mine.

Okay I hope I didn't confuse you..if I did I am sorry. But this was my

thought and experience and I wanted to share it with you.

Good luck

karen(tab17..poly)

From: jona <jaycpepsi@...>

Reply-

Subject: (unknown)

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:34:21 -0700 (PDT)

Children do not deserve to be this sick.

Vicky ( 7, systemic)

Hi, I copied that last sentence from your post and just wanted to say that

that is my thoughts exactly. I just can't understand why, but I guess there

is a reason for everything, but it still makes no since to me. And please

don't feel bad because your child is not as sick as some. You should feel

very fortunate, but I do know how you feel and I know its hard to not feel

that way. Its just sad for these kids and I have prayed to god so many times

to please take this disease from my child and give it to me instead; I would

do anything if I could trade places with my baby. I would do it in a

heartbeat. And something else that I wanted to post, I know you all are

gonna think that I am crazy but I just have to get this off my chest; Has

anybody ever wondered about the cause of this disease, well crazy things run

through my head that I just can't get out of my head, like ; " what if when

the doctor gave my baby her immunization it was really some kind of

experimental drug and thats what caused this disease? " and " What if thats

how everyone who has this disease got this disease, when a doctor gave them

some kind of shot and it was an experimental drug that had never been tested

on a human before? " And I just keep thinking about it and I think, " well the

doctors have to have someone to test experimental drugs on and I don't know

what's really in that needle " Please don't kick me out of this group for

posting this, I just had to get that off of chest and see if anyone else

ever thinks like that or am I reaaly crazy? Hugs to everyone!

Jona,mom of na 2 poly

---------------------------------

May 15, 2002

-Thanks . Jona, mom of na 2 poly

-- In @y..., " karens tribe " <nutsomom5@h...> wrote:

> Jona..I don't think anyone is going to kick you off the post or

think you

> are crazy. We have all wondered ourselves about how and why and

where did

> old Arthur get its ugly face!!! If you go to the main at

..in

> the archives(i hope i spelled that right) there should be lots of

post on

> it..where people have posted and asked the same question. I was

told by a

> pedy rheumy that it is hereditary and could be from generations

ago..now

> with Tabitha we believe that she had it in her body but it was

asleep..or

> dormant..when she was 4 she had bruised her middle thumb on a

swing...which

> of course this was figured out after the initial diagnosis. She

got a stiff

> neck to where her neck would touch her chest..she could barely

chew her food

> when she ate..well i thought at first she just slept wrong...well

then the

> high fevers started at night mostly..so I ended up taking her to a

local

> emergency room..which at first the doctor said her neck was stiff

due to a

> sore throat..even though he couldn't look at her throat..I then

told him

> that she is 4 and a half and old enough to tell me when her throat

is

> bothering her..So I asked him to xray her neck and her finger

(because the

> swelling was still there)then he ordered blood test..that was back

in 89'

> but he came and told me..she had arthritis..i was in shock as many

are..to

> hear a child has arthritis..so she spent a week there and then a

week at

> childrens hospital of pittsburgh..

> okay..i got off track..anyways..the doctor and i believe it was

actually the

> bruising of her middle finger that triggered the arthrits and then

it just

> started to keep going.

> Now I don't actually know of anyone in my family who has had

jra..but on my

> dads side a lady told me that there was someone who had years

ago..for my

> sanity I had to stop wondering and blaming this and that to go

on..for

> Tabithas sake and mine.

> Okay I hope I didn't confuse you..if I did I am sorry. But this

was my

> thought and experience and I wanted to share it with you.

> Good luck

> karen(tab17..poly)

>

> From: jona <jaycpepsi@y...>

> Reply- @y...

> @y...

> Subject: (unknown)

> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:34:21 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Children do not deserve to be this sick.

> Vicky ( 7, systemic)

>

> Hi, I copied that last sentence from your post and just wanted

to say that

> that is my thoughts exactly. I just can't understand why, but I

guess there

> is a reason for everything, but it still makes no since to me. And

please

> don't feel bad because your child is not as sick as some. You

should feel

> very fortunate, but I do know how you feel and I know its hard to

not feel

> that way. Its just sad for these kids and I have prayed to god so

many times

> to please take this disease from my child and give it to me

instead; I would

> do anything if I could trade places with my baby. I would do it in

a

> heartbeat. And something else that I wanted to post, I know you

all are

> gonna think that I am crazy but I just have to get this off my

chest; Has

> anybody ever wondered about the cause of this disease, well crazy

things run

> through my head that I just can't get out of my head, like ; " what

if when

> the doctor gave my baby her immunization it was really some kind

of

> experimental drug and thats what caused this disease? " and " What

if thats

> how everyone who has this disease got this disease, when a doctor

gave them

> some kind of shot and it was an experimental drug that had never

been tested

> on a human before? " And I just keep thinking about it and I

think, " well the

> doctors have to have someone to test experimental drugs on and I

don't know

> what's really in that needle " Please don't kick me out of this

group for

> posting this, I just had to get that off of chest and see if

anyone else

> ever thinks like that or am I reaaly crazy? Hugs to

everyone!

> Jona,mom of na 2 poly

>

> ---------------------------------

>

May 15, 2002

I am so sorry .....((((HUGS))))

You just went through a horrible ordeal, then for your father to pass.....

My heart goes out to you dear......

Lots of love and many HUGS......

Bert. )

May 15, 2002

Hello !

I'm truly sorry to hear about your loss. Find comfort in remembering the hapiness that you shared together and the knowledge that one day we will all be reunited with our loved ones that have departed. God Bless You !

Tony

May 15, 2002

Katharine,

so sorry about your dad. If you are unable to make the trip I am sure your family will understand. Take care of yourself and know that we are all here for you. If you do make the trip make sure you take your time and allow time for rest when you get there.

love and prayers,

May 15, 2002

Kathyrn,

So sorry to hear about your father. I hope that you are able to find some

peace if you do not feel like making the trip. You have been through so much

recently. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I know how difficult this

must be. I am very fortunate to still have both my mother and father with me

but I do remember the terrible grief and loss I felt with the passing of my

grandmother who I was extremely close with.

Take care of yourself.

May 15, 2002

Well said, Tree.

Val

Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002 1:07:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, " theresa

sappenfield " <treesap0@...> writes:

>Dear Jona,

> You have a very creative mind, and a mind in fear will create what it

needs to squash that fear. When I was facing my first hip surgery I put it off

for two years thinking I could not die with a small child for my husband to

raise alone. I was so fearful of dying that all kinds of simple things started

to scare me. It was just fear talking, fear of the unknown, and being out of

control and helpless to a point. When I finally was forced to have the surgery I

then change my fears to wild dreams about waking in the operating room with a

fire alarm going off and i was on one table and my leg was on another. I was

advised to watch a hip replacement surgery and I never had those awful dreams

again. Our bodies have some special ways to deal with fear and stress and

anxiety , the best way to deal with it is to when you can't do anything about a

situation just give it to God , the rest is all about educating yourself because

knowledge is power over fear. Also you have made a huge step by just writing

this email and probably seeing that we all have those days when we wished

everything was different and we could change something or time, that would put

everything back the way it used to be. Venting on here is just like going to

therapy in alot of ways only we're cheaper , ( dare I say more knowledgable lol)

, compassionate and we always have your best interest at heart because most of

us have walked more than a few miles in your shoes :):):)Tree:):):)

>

> (unknown)

>

>Children do not deserve to be this sick.

>Vicky ( 7, systemic)

>

> Hi, I copied that last sentence from your post and just wanted to say that

that is my thoughts exactly. I just can't understand why, but I guess there is

a reason for everything, but it still makes no since to me. And please don't

feel bad because your child is not as sick as some. You should feel very

fortunate, but I do know how you feel and I know its hard to not feel that way.

Its just sad for these kids and I have prayed to god so many times to please

take this disease from my child and give it to me instead; I would do anything

if I could trade places with my baby. I would do it in a heartbeat. And

something else that I wanted to post, I know you all are gonna think that I am

crazy but I just have to get this off my chest; Has anybody ever wondered about

the cause of this disease, well crazy things run through my head that I just

can't get out of my head, like ; " what if when the doctor gave my baby her

immunization it was really some kind of experimental drug and thats what caused

this disease? " and " What if thats how everyone who has this disease got this

disease, when a doctor gave them some kind of shot and it was an experimental

drug that had never been tested on a human before? " And I just keep thinking

about it and I think, " well the doctors have to have someone to test

experimental drugs on and I don't know what's really in that needle " Please

don't kick me out of this group for posting this, I just had to get that off of

chest and see if anyone else ever thinks like that or am I reaaly crazy? Hugs

to everyone! Jona,mom of na 2 poly

>

May 15, 2002

((((()))))))very very sorry for your loss. Memories are all that you have now, but you will make it through. God bless you!

debby

[ ] (unknown)

My father passed away this morning. I am a 6hr drive away and still not sure what to do. Even a short trip wears me out. I feel very overwhelmed..../WA

May 16, 2002

,

My deepest sympathy in the loss of your father.

Please take care.

Lyn/Ark

katydid562002 <katydid562002@...> wrote: My father passed away this morning. I am a 6hr drive away and still not sure what to do. Even a short trip wears me out. I feel very overwhelmed..../WA

May 16, 2002

,

My deepest sympathy in the loss of your father.

Please take care.

Lyn/Ark

katydid562002 <katydid562002@...> wrote: My father passed away this morning. I am a 6hr drive away and still not sure what to do. Even a short trip wears me out. I feel very overwhelmed..../WA

May 16, 2002

[snicker ]

theres a new rule : the next one that sends an email saying " unsubscribe " is

whipped with a wet noodle!

whims

(unknown)

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May 17, 2002

<P> Hi Jackie. Because the treatment causes depression

in and of itself, they are very careful about

administering it to somebody already suffering from

depression. I know you're probably sick of hearing it

(and I am better at saying it than doing it, too), but

it takes patience. It's a very positive step that he

has stopped drinking. As far as that bit about not

being active, that doesn't really have much meaning. I

suppose the bloodwork must've been near normal, which

is a good sign, but you'll learn more when you see the

gastroenterologist. & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; -dz-

<P> & nbsp; <B><I>bluesparkling_angel

& lt;bluesparkling_angel@... & gt;</I></B> wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:

5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " ><TT>It's Jackie.

we just got home from the VA, I swear they have this

<BR>thing about sending you on your own tour of the

complex but oh well.<BR><BR>The results are he has

tested positive, the rest does nothing but <BR>confuse

me even more.<BR><BR>The PA told us that according to

the blood tests she did on his blood <BR>and liver

somethings that it didnt seem active right

now.<BR><BR>She said we had to wait to see the

gastroentologist and get the <BR>ultrasound done, the

specialist would probably retest to confirm this

<BR>result.<BR><BR>She also said she couldnt start any

treatment but felt he didnt need <BR>it right now, but

she also added that if he was still drinking

<BR>treatment will be refused, he isnt, he stopped the

day we got the <BR>results last week in the

mail.<BR><BR>She also said because he is now being

treated for depression, caused <BR>mostly by all the

pain from all his other problems and being disabled

<BR>that he may still not get treatment because of his

depression.<BR><BR>Now Im doubly confused here, if

they dont treat him cause he is <BR>depressed now ,

just what do they think will happen when they dont

<BR>treat him..how much more depression does this man

need.<BR><BR>And I want to keep him away from anything

that will cause him to want <BR>a drink

again.<BR><BR>Anyway thats it , very confused and

surprised by some stuff she said <BR>but she must know

what she is talking about I hope.<BR><BR>Hope your all

having a good day<BR><BR>luv n many

hugs<BR><BR>jackie<BR><BR></TT><BR><!-- |**|begin egp

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Find out the viral load. If it's undetectable, don't

worry, it's not active. Keep getting checked every so

often. That is what I would do. He may need to

increase depression meds but it can be done, they just

have to monitor you more closely.

Sharon

--- bluesparkling_angel <bluesparkling_angel@...>

wrote:

> It's Jackie. we just got home from the VA, I swear

> they have this

> thing about sending you on your own tour of the

> complex but oh well.

>

> The results are he has tested positive, the rest

> does nothing but

> confuse me even more.

>

> The PA told us that according to the blood tests she

> did on his blood

> and liver somethings that it didnt seem active right

> now.

>

> She said we had to wait to see the gastroentologist

> and get the

> ultrasound done, the specialist would probably

> retest to confirm this

> result.

>

> She also said she couldnt start any treatment but

> felt he didnt need

> it right now, but she also added that if he was

> still drinking

> treatment will be refused, he isnt, he stopped the

> day we got the

> results last week in the mail.

>

> She also said because he is now being treated for

> depression, caused

> mostly by all the pain from all his other problems

> and being disabled

> that he may still not get treatment because of his

> depression.

>

> Now Im doubly confused here, if they dont treat him

> cause he is

> depressed now , just what do they think will happen

> when they dont

> treat him..how much more depression does this man

> need.

>

> And I want to keep him away from anything that will

> cause him to want

> a drink again.

>

> Anyway thats it , very confused and surprised by

> some stuff she said

> but she must know what she is talking about I hope.

>

> Hope your all having a good day

>

> luv n many hugs

>

> jackie

>

__________________________________________________

May 17, 2002

A very good point. Toxins are everywhere.

Suzy

>From: " DAWN RIDER " <israelswarrior@...>

>Reply-SSRI medications

>SSRI medications , prozactruth ,

>disclosethetruth

>Subject: (unknown)

>Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:36:24 -0600

>

>This was just forwarded by Dr. :

>

>Here is information we have sent to you previously, but this reminder is

>good to have. The study did note that antidepressants were among those

>medications found in abundance polluting our rivers and streams.

>

>One issue not addressed here that certainly should be is the possible

>synergistic effects of these medications on those already taking various

>medications.

>

>Another issue not addressed is the potential danger to those who lack the

>P450 2D6 liver enzyme which makes them unable to metabolize serotonergic

>antidepressants and therefore, open to severe adverse reactions. We know

>that many murder/sucides have happened with only one or two doses for some

>people. Two recent cases to appear in court are:

>

>#1 The Schell case: Schell took only two Paxil and shot his

>wife, daughter, baby granddaughter and himself. Last June the jury in

>Cheyenne, WY ruled that Paxil was the major cause of these tragic deaths

>that destroyed this family and they awarded the few surviving family

>members

>$6.4 Million in damages.

>

>#2 The Laczong case in San , CA. Laczong took Paxil for only 72

>hours before drowning his two children and himself in the same bathtub. Mr.

>Laczong is of Asian decent and we know that Asians have serious problems in

>metabolising the SSRI antidepressants, leaving them wide open for adverse

>reactions. This warning has not been given to patients. The Laczong case

>was

>settled for an undisclosed amount by the makers of Paxil earlier this year.

>

>So we see that very small amounts of these chemicals can have EXTREME

>adverse reactions on some people. With this in mind it is clear to see what

>a dangerous situation the potential of this unintentional medicating of the

>population.

>

>This poses some very interesting questions. Does this mean that in every

>case of violent crime we will now need toxicology reports to make sure

>there

>are no SSRIs present even in those who have no prescription for one of

>these

>drugs?

>

>Dr. Ann Blake , Executive Director,

>International Coalition For Drug Awareness

>(www.drugawareness.org) & author of Prozac: Panacea

>or Pandora? - Our Serotonin Nightmare (800-280-0730)

>

>_______________________________________________________

>

>Original article:

>http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1689.52013

>

>Streams Contaminated with Drugs

>

>Medications May be Harming our Waters

>

>By Warner

>

>WebMD Medical News

>

>March 13, 2002 -- You may want to think twice before taking a sip from that

>pristine-looking mountain stream or sampling the local trout. A new,

>national survey of America's streams shows most contain a laundry list of

>contaminants ranging from detergent to prescription drugs and sex hormones.

>

>In the first-ever nationwide study of pharmaceuticals, hormones, and other

>contaminants in our streams, researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey used

>new testing methods to measure the levels of these contaminants in 139

>streams in 30 states from 1999-2000.

>

>What they found in America's streams is like a snapshot of our national

>medicine cabinet: aspirin, Tylenol, prescription medicines for heart

>problems and high blood pressure, and female sex hormones used in hormone

>replacement therapy and birth control pills.

>

>In addition to medications, the most commonly found compounds included

>caffeine, cotinine (a product created by the breakdown of nicotine), the

>insect repellant DEET, triclosan (the active ingredient in antibacterial

>soaps and detergents), a flame retardant, and steroids that indicate fecal

>matter contamination.

>

>Although the concentrations of most compounds were low -- usually less than

>one part per billion -- prior studies have suggested that exposure to

>levels

>even lower than those found in this study can have harmful effects on fish

>and other aquatic species. The effects on humans, if any, have not yet been

>determined.

>

>Researchers screened for a group of 95 organic wastewater contaminants and

>found 82 of them in at least one stream. More than a third of the streams

>sampled contained 10 or more contaminants, and one stream alone contained

>38

>different chemicals.

>

>Since this was the first study to screen for pharmaceuticals, the authors

>say their findings may be slightly skewed because they targeted streams

>most

>likely to show some contamination, such as those downstream from wastewater

>treatment plants or agricultural areas.

>

>Researchers say the survey shows low-level concentrations of these

>contaminants survive wastewater treatment, and more research is needed to

>find out how they affect humans, plants, and animals.

>

>Medically Reviewed

>By Dr. Vogin

>

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