Introduction

[Guest guest]

If you don't want to make the liquid ldn, another way of trying different doses is to have your first RX made into 1.5 tablets.... then you can take 2 or 3 until you see what works.. I say this because I would not feel comfortable making my own.... that just me.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: Introduction

--- In low dose naltrexone , "daherbmama" <herbmama@v...>wrote:> > Hello,> My Name is Sandy and I'm looking for information on LDN. I have MS > and my doctor suggested I look at the website, and join this group - > so here I am.> :-) Sandyhere Sandy, this tells you how to make your own in liquid form. It'seasier to try out different dosages this way.http://goodshape.net/HomemadeLDN.htmlJohanne F

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Hello back Sandy

So glad you were told about us I gotta give your Dr. a big thumbs up RIGHT ON !

Now if only most of the Nuerologists in the country would take note.

F.Y.I. I have been on it for well since Oct 15 2003 and while not running yet I can honestly say I will be taking LDN for ever or until at least there is a cure for MS that we can obtain.

Reg.

From: "daherbmama" <herbmama@...> Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:30 pm Subject: Introduction Hello,My Name is Sandy and I'm looking for information on LDN. I have MSand my doctor suggested I look at the website, and join this group -so here I am.:-) Sandy

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my doctor has friends on it, i will try it again....with a different

filler last time had lactose and am not lactose intolerant, and smaller

dosage maybe 3mg instead of 4,5mg to start.....candy

Wishing You Gods Blessings Today & Always..Candy & Rusch

[Guest guest]

My name is mark and I got diagnosed with CMT when I was 9. I just got on this

group today and saw your message, . I do have AFOs.

My grandma has CMT as well. She is a member and had me look at this

site so I joined. I also want to talk to people with CMT to know how

their lifestyle is. If you want to reply to this message e mail me

directly at waaaaazup2001@.... Hope to hear from you.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Have you read Walford? Have you read the files of this group esp:

BEGINNING CRON? The best way to start is the way we suggest in the files -

change your food choices and don't worry about calories til you get the hang

of it. Read the files.

Eventually , you can lower calories very slowly (especially at your weight

level). Just 100 or 200 cal a day less than usual and see what happens.

This is all outlined in Walford's: " Beyond the 120 Year Diet " . The book is

available in most public libraries if you don't want to buy it.

on 5/16/2005 3:52 PM, Caoimhán MacGriogair () at caoimhan@...

wrote:

> I'd love to set

> a target for calories/day for myself, but I don't really know where

> to begin. I already know what types of food I want to eat for this

> diet... that being the most healthy and successful combination I have

> already used for blood-sugar/insulin regulation. (Mostly nuts, seeds,

> greens, nutritional oils, berries, cottage cheese, eggs & yogurt,

> along with a daily glass of red wine.) But now I want to try to

> calculate the amounts I'd like to limit those foods to.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I just read the files in the Files section. It seems pretty

much like what I've been eating already as far as food selection is

concerned. (The same kinds of foods are all recommended for blood

sugar control). The main matter now for me to focus on is portion

control, from what it sounds like. I could probably start immediately

and cut my portions by 1/3rd without causing too many problems. I

also need to re-commit to fresh vegetables. I just find a lot of it

going to waste in the fridge, because I don't eat it fast enough.

One interesting side-note to the research going on regarding CR, is

the research about insulin. There is an increasing body of research

that indicates that insulin ages us, and causes a host of problems in

our bodies, if it gets out of control.

Some people have wondered what it is exactly about CR that slows

aging. As many people have pointed out, it's not a set number of

calories for everyone, but is more related to a percentage of a

person's individual set point. It makes me wonder if insulin

moderation is one of the key components in the effectiveness of CR.

>

> > I'd love to set

> > a target for calories/day for myself, but I don't really know

where

> > to begin. I already know what types of food I want to eat for

this

> > diet... that being the most healthy and successful combination I

have

> > already used for blood-sugar/insulin regulation. (Mostly nuts,

seeds,

> > greens, nutritional oils, berries, cottage cheese, eggs & yogurt,

> > along with a daily glass of red wine.) But now I want to try to

> > calculate the amounts I'd like to limit those foods to.

[Guest guest]

Welcome :

You will get a great deal of excellent advice here. But especially

from Walford's book to which, I believe, Francesca has already

referred, and the files here which Francesca has taken a great deal

of trouble to assemble.

Just a couple of quick comments from me. If you weigh 345 pounds and

get out of bed every morning then you are getting HUGE amounts of

exercise if you do nothing much else. The exercise you are getting

is like me carrying 200 pounds of weight on my back sixteen hours a

day. You will not need any special exercise until you have lost a

great deal of weight. Even then, walking will probably be the most

appropriate. A little light walking will certainly be beneficial now

too.

Second, anyone weighing 345 pounds will have a great deal of fat, a

great deal of muscle and a great deal of bone. The reason you have

so much muscle and bone is because your body needs it for you to move

around (muscle) and support your weight (bone). The body has

remarkable abilities to adapt to changing conditions. As you lose

fat weight your body will realize it no longer needs anywhere near as

much muscle, and you will lose what you do not need, naturally,

without having to think about it. Similarly you will lose much of

the extra bone you have built up in past years, which you have now

ONLY BECAUSE your body realized it needed it in order to support your

345 pounds. (Astronauts, similarly, lose bone mass in orbit because,

with the much reduced weight bearing, the body realizes it no longer

needs as much bone for physical support). Of course we do not want

to lose too much bone. But that is another issue of no direct

relevance to you now.

Congratulations on making the decision to make the change. It will

dramatically improve your health. Please keep us informed of your

progress.

Rodney.

> Hello,

>

> I'm . I have been interested in metabolic manipulation via

diet

> for a couple of years now. It began with my diagnosis of Type II

> diabetes and the subsequent dietary education from medical

> professionals, and later with my investigation into low-carb

diets.

> The biochemical world of human metabolism is fascinating.

>

> I have been successful in recent years in controlling my blood

sugar

> levels through diet, and now I'd like to see if I can gain some

> greater control on my metabolism and weight.

>

> I am 31 years old. 345 lbs. and 5'10 " . I am, however, very large

of

> frame (a radiologist once had a devil of a time fitting my rib cage

> into a thoracic X-ray). The lightest I have been in my adult life

> was 225 lbs. and I felt very good at that weight.

>

> I've just been reading the Elle Magazine thread, and the subsequent

> side-discussions, and admit that I am a bit confused. I'd love to

set

> a target for calories/day for myself, but I don't really know where

> to begin. I already know what types of food I want to eat for this

> diet... that being the most healthy and successful combination I

have

> already used for blood-sugar/insulin regulation. (Mostly nuts,

seeds,

> greens, nutritional oils, berries, cottage cheese, eggs & yogurt,

> along with a daily glass of red wine.) But now I want to try to

> calculate the amounts I'd like to limit those foods to.

>

> My current weight goal is 260 lbs, as I feel I could reach that

> weight readily with diet and light exercise. Less than that will

> likely require more exercise than I am currently comfortable with

> doing... but I will re-evaluate my activity level once I approach

> that goal.

>

> I understand that CRON is more than weight loss, but that is an

> important side goal for me.

>

> By the way, I am extremely skeptical of BMI. For me, at least, I

know

> that it is way off base. Given that I have approximately 185 lbs.

of

> lean body mass, I don't think it's reasonable for me to have a goal

> of 150 lbs. total weight. :-\ Or am I SUPPOSED to reduce my muscle

> mass?

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

,

I just wanted to chime in that I agree with what Rodney says here about the body naturally sloughing off unneeded mass. I wanted to mention my own experience, too. I am large-framed like you, and had been very suspicious (even resentful) of BMI calculations. I'm finding, though, that as I lose weight on CRON I keep ratcheting down my "mental ideal" of how much I should weigh. There was a time when I thought that going below 200 lbs would be unhealthy for me (I'm 5'10"), and that I would be nothing but skin and bones if I went below 190. Well, I'm at 190 right now, and *no one* would say that I am "skin and bones". I'm still very strong and muscular looking, and I would feel very comfortable if CRON took me to 175. At that point, who knows, maybe I'll find out that my "BMI ideal" was right after all.

chrisRodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

Welcome :You will get a great deal of excellent advice here. But especially from Walford's book to which, I believe, Francesca has already referred, and the files here which Francesca has taken a great deal of trouble to assemble.Just a couple of quick comments from me. If you weigh 345 pounds and get out of bed every morning then you are getting HUGE amounts of exercise if you do nothing much else. The exercise you are getting is like me carrying 200 pounds of weight on my back sixteen hours a day. You will not need any special exercise until you have lost a great deal of weight. Even then, walking will probably be the most appropriate. A little light walking will certainly be beneficial now too.Second, anyone weighing 345 pounds will have a great deal of fat, a great deal

of muscle and a great deal of bone. The reason you have so much muscle and bone is because your body needs it for you to move around (muscle) and support your weight (bone). The body has remarkable abilities to adapt to changing conditions. As you lose fat weight your body will realize it no longer needs anywhere near as much muscle, and you will lose what you do not need, naturally, without having to think about it. Similarly you will lose much of the extra bone you have built up in past years, which you have now ONLY BECAUSE your body realized it needed it in order to support your 345 pounds. (Astronauts, similarly, lose bone mass in orbit because, with the much reduced weight bearing, the body realizes it no longer needs as much bone for physical support). Of course we do not want to lose too much bone. But that is another issue of no direct relevance to you now.Congratulations

on making the decision to make the change. It will dramatically improve your health. Please keep us informed of your progress.Rodney.> Hello,> > I'm . I have been interested in metabolic manipulation via diet > for a couple of years now. It began with my diagnosis of Type II > diabetes and the subsequent dietary education from medical > professionals, and later with my investigation into low-carb diets. > The biochemical world of human metabolism is fascinating.> > I have been successful in recent years in controlling my blood sugar > levels through diet, and now I'd like to see if I can gain some > greater control on my metabolism and weight.> > I am 31 years old. 345 lbs. and 5'10". I am, however, very large of >

frame (a radiologist once had a devil of a time fitting my rib cage > into a thoracic X-ray). The lightest I have been in my adult life > was 225 lbs. and I felt very good at that weight.> > I've just been reading the Elle Magazine thread, and the subsequent > side-discussions, and admit that I am a bit confused. I'd love to set > a target for calories/day for myself, but I don't really know where > to begin. I already know what types of food I want to eat for this > diet... that being the most healthy and successful combination I have > already used for blood-sugar/insulin regulation. (Mostly nuts, seeds, > greens, nutritional oils, berries, cottage cheese, eggs & yogurt, > along with a daily glass of red wine.) But now I want to try to > calculate the amounts I'd like to limit those foods to.> > My current weight goal is 260 lbs, as I feel I could reach

that > weight readily with diet and light exercise. Less than that will > likely require more exercise than I am currently comfortable with > doing... but I will re-evaluate my activity level once I approach > that goal.> > I understand that CRON is more than weight loss, but that is an > important side goal for me.> > By the way, I am extremely skeptical of BMI. For me, at least, I know > that it is way off base. Given that I have approximately 185 lbs. of > lean body mass, I don't think it's reasonable for me to have a goal > of 150 lbs. total weight. :-\ Or am I SUPPOSED to reduce my muscle > mass?> > Thanks,>

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[Guest guest]

you don't say how tall you are or what sex you are. But in any case 1000 calories is very close to a starvation diet and you should definitely eat a bit more. Walford warns about going under 1000 cal a day since it''s difficult to get enough nutrients. See our files about optimum BMI and warnings about going too low.

You are skirting on the edge.

on 10/4/2005 5:09 PM, Dusten Nance at dusten_nance@... wrote:

For the past year,I have maintained my weight of 121 pounds with

approx. 1000 calorie per day diet (always eating breakfast, not

eating after 6pm) and mild exercise 2-3 times per week.

[Guest guest]

you don't say how tall you are or what sex you are. But in any case 1000 calories is very close to a starvation diet and you should definitely eat a bit more. Walford warns about going under 1000 cal a day since it''s difficult to get enough nutrients. See our files about optimum BMI and warnings about going too low.

You are skirting on the edge.

on 10/4/2005 5:09 PM, Dusten Nance at dusten_nance@... wrote:

For the past year,I have maintained my weight of 121 pounds with

approx. 1000 calorie per day diet (always eating breakfast, not

eating after 6pm) and mild exercise 2-3 times per week.

[Guest guest]

I am a male and my height is approxiamately 5'6.5 " . I am small/medium

build, neck size 13 " and waist size 28 " makes it hard to find

clothes. Most shirts start at 15 " neck and pants rarely are true to

size so a 28 inch waist (smallest men's size) is usually about 29.5

inches. I have accepted buying boys L & XL shirts and boys 16 slim

pants or " student " size jeans. I do not follow the 1000 calorie rule

strictly. You will occassionally find me finishing off half a pizza

or eating all the food on my plate at a restaurant. Servings are so

large at many restaurants it is almost possible to live on one meal a

day. I am almost convinced with enough liquids and nutrients (fiber,

protein, etc.) from supplements or vitamins we could live for months

(maybe years) without food. Although the quality of living may be low

due to lack of energy and strength.

My evidence... look at how long people live on an IV (liquid diet) in

the hospital. Please let me know now if the group strictly adheres to

Dr. Walford's writing. Many of my practices have come from learning

in my own experimentation and I will continue to explore on my own

(i.e. there may be some behavior people might consider risky). I am

very interested in what's new scientifically, but I will adhere to no

rules when it comes to my own personal learning.

There may be some truth to the idea average people need 2,500

calories a day because so much of the average person's diet contains

so little nutrition it takes 2,500 calories to get those nutrients.

[Guest guest]

I am a male and my height is approxiamately 5'6.5 " . I am small/medium

build, neck size 13 " and waist size 28 " makes it hard to find

clothes. Most shirts start at 15 " neck and pants rarely are true to

size so a 28 inch waist (smallest men's size) is usually about 29.5

inches. I have accepted buying boys L & XL shirts and boys 16 slim

pants or " student " size jeans. I do not follow the 1000 calorie rule

strictly. You will occassionally find me finishing off half a pizza

or eating all the food on my plate at a restaurant. Servings are so

large at many restaurants it is almost possible to live on one meal a

day. I am almost convinced with enough liquids and nutrients (fiber,

protein, etc.) from supplements or vitamins we could live for months

(maybe years) without food. Although the quality of living may be low

due to lack of energy and strength.

My evidence... look at how long people live on an IV (liquid diet) in

the hospital. Please let me know now if the group strictly adheres to

Dr. Walford's writing. Many of my practices have come from learning

in my own experimentation and I will continue to explore on my own

(i.e. there may be some behavior people might consider risky). I am

very interested in what's new scientifically, but I will adhere to no

rules when it comes to my own personal learning.

There may be some truth to the idea average people need 2,500

calories a day because so much of the average person's diet contains

so little nutrition it takes 2,500 calories to get those nutrients.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dusten:

Good to have you here. Quick question ............ the principal

problem with a very low caloric intake is that it makes it difficult

to get all the critical nutrients (the known micronutrients) your

body needs to function properly and to fend off stuff like cancer -

including the unidentified nutrients known, for example, to be in

tea, tomatoes, onion varieties, or cruciferous vegetables.

Have you ever entered everything you eat for a month into some

nutrient analysis software to find out if you are deficient in any of

the major micronutrients? I eat a lot more than you, and mostly

pretty nutrient-dense foods, but I found I had a couple of very

important nutrient deficiencies when I did this. Yet I had felt

fine, with no outward signs of deficiency.

IMO this may be critically important for you to do, given your

extraordinarily low reported food intake. Even just one week of

logging your data in will give you a pretty good indication of where

your deficiencies are, if any.

Rodney.

> I am a male and my height is approxiamately 5'6.5 " . I am

small/medium

> build, neck size 13 " and waist size 28 " makes it hard to find

> clothes. Most shirts start at 15 " neck and pants rarely are true to

> size so a 28 inch waist (smallest men's size) is usually about 29.5

> inches. I have accepted buying boys L & XL shirts and boys 16 slim

> pants or " student " size jeans. I do not follow the 1000 calorie

rule

> strictly. You will occassionally find me finishing off half a pizza

> or eating all the food on my plate at a restaurant. Servings are so

> large at many restaurants it is almost possible to live on one meal

a

> day. I am almost convinced with enough liquids and nutrients

(fiber,

> protein, etc.) from supplements or vitamins we could live for

months

> (maybe years) without food. Although the quality of living may be

low

> due to lack of energy and strength.

>

> My evidence... look at how long people live on an IV (liquid diet)

in

> the hospital. Please let me know now if the group strictly adheres

to

> Dr. Walford's writing. Many of my practices have come from learning

> in my own experimentation and I will continue to explore on my own

> (i.e. there may be some behavior people might consider risky). I am

> very interested in what's new scientifically, but I will adhere to

no

> rules when it comes to my own personal learning.

>

> There may be some truth to the idea average people need 2,500

> calories a day because so much of the average person's diet

contains

> so little nutrition it takes 2,500 calories to get those nutrients.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dusten:

Good to have you here. Quick question ............ the principal

problem with a very low caloric intake is that it makes it difficult

to get all the critical nutrients (the known micronutrients) your

body needs to function properly and to fend off stuff like cancer -

including the unidentified nutrients known, for example, to be in

tea, tomatoes, onion varieties, or cruciferous vegetables.

Have you ever entered everything you eat for a month into some

nutrient analysis software to find out if you are deficient in any of

the major micronutrients? I eat a lot more than you, and mostly

pretty nutrient-dense foods, but I found I had a couple of very

important nutrient deficiencies when I did this. Yet I had felt

fine, with no outward signs of deficiency.

IMO this may be critically important for you to do, given your

extraordinarily low reported food intake. Even just one week of

logging your data in will give you a pretty good indication of where

your deficiencies are, if any.

Rodney.

> I am a male and my height is approxiamately 5'6.5 " . I am

small/medium

> build, neck size 13 " and waist size 28 " makes it hard to find

> clothes. Most shirts start at 15 " neck and pants rarely are true to

> size so a 28 inch waist (smallest men's size) is usually about 29.5

> inches. I have accepted buying boys L & XL shirts and boys 16 slim

> pants or " student " size jeans. I do not follow the 1000 calorie

rule

> strictly. You will occassionally find me finishing off half a pizza

> or eating all the food on my plate at a restaurant. Servings are so

> large at many restaurants it is almost possible to live on one meal

a

> day. I am almost convinced with enough liquids and nutrients

(fiber,

> protein, etc.) from supplements or vitamins we could live for

months

> (maybe years) without food. Although the quality of living may be

low

> due to lack of energy and strength.

>

> My evidence... look at how long people live on an IV (liquid diet)

in

> the hospital. Please let me know now if the group strictly adheres

to

> Dr. Walford's writing. Many of my practices have come from learning

> in my own experimentation and I will continue to explore on my own

> (i.e. there may be some behavior people might consider risky). I am

> very interested in what's new scientifically, but I will adhere to

no

> rules when it comes to my own personal learning.

>

> There may be some truth to the idea average people need 2,500

> calories a day because so much of the average person's diet

contains

> so little nutrition it takes 2,500 calories to get those nutrients.

[Guest guest]

Although some on CR may need as much as 2500 cal a day, most of us don't eat that much, so I'm not sure why you mention that. For example, I eat somewhere around 1600 cal a day. There is quite a bit of wiggle room between 1000 cal (which is what you originally said you eat) and 2500 cal a day.

on 10/4/2005 9:18 PM, Dusten Nance at dusten_nance@... wrote:

There may be some truth to the idea average people need 2,500

calories a day because so much of the average person's diet contains

so little nutrition it takes 2,500 calories to get those nutrients.

[Guest guest]

Although some on CR may need as much as 2500 cal a day, most of us don't eat that much, so I'm not sure why you mention that. For example, I eat somewhere around 1600 cal a day. There is quite a bit of wiggle room between 1000 cal (which is what you originally said you eat) and 2500 cal a day.

on 10/4/2005 9:18 PM, Dusten Nance at dusten_nance@... wrote:

There may be some truth to the idea average people need 2,500

calories a day because so much of the average person's diet contains

so little nutrition it takes 2,500 calories to get those nutrients.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

I am in a situation almost exactly like yours. Been hurting for 2

months and just found out I have stones. I was advised to have my

gallbladder out and was about ready to do it until I found these

websites. I have changed my diet, I am 33 yrs old, 312 lbs(was 333lbs

a month ago), a little high blood pressure. I have been having fruit

for beakfast, salad for lunch, baked fish and steamed vegetables for

supper. A bananna between if I get hungry. Also I am eating a little

raw garlic and fresh lemon juice daily.

A trip to the ER with abdominal and chest pains was enough to get me

to eating right! I haven't done a flush yet but am planning on it

soon. I am going to seek the guidance of a " natural path " (I think that

is what they are called) or natural doctor N.D. I haven't had bad pain

for a couple of days and am staying away from the foods that can

trigger attacks. Although I am sorry you have these problems it is

nice to know I am not alone!

Ricky

Louisiana

[Guest guest]

Anyone can have gallstones matter of fact 90% of us do. It's only

when they become problems do we notice them.

I have to say having gallstones is better than gastric bypass---when

you think about it.

I have always joked why have that kind of surgery just get

gallstones and they will stop you in your tracks when it comes to

food!!!!!

I am very happy to hear you have changed your diet--it's for the

best!!!

You can lower your BP, increase your energy level and hopefully

flush out those stones!!!

good luck!!!

>

> Hi Dana,

>

> I am in a situation almost exactly like yours. Been hurting for 2

> months and just found out I have stones. I was advised to have my

> gallbladder out and was about ready to do it until I found these

> websites. I have changed my diet, I am 33 yrs old, 312 lbs(was

333lbs

> a month ago), a little high blood pressure. I have been having

fruit

> for beakfast, salad for lunch, baked fish and steamed vegetables

for

> supper. A bananna between if I get hungry. Also I am eating a

little

> raw garlic and fresh lemon juice daily.

> A trip to the ER with abdominal and chest pains was enough to get

me

> to eating right! I haven't done a flush yet but am planning on it

> soon. I am going to seek the guidance of a " natural path " (I think

that

> is what they are called) or natural doctor N.D. I haven't had bad

pain

> for a couple of days and am staying away from the foods that can

> trigger attacks. Although I am sorry you have these problems it is

> nice to know I am not alone!

>

> Ricky

> Louisiana

>

[Guest guest]

Ricky,

Thanks very much for your reply!

I really do need to modify my diet. It seems almost everything puts me in

pain for the most of the night (even toast with small amounts of butter).

Unfortunately getting my husband and I to agree on a modified diet will be

next to impossible - we are each very adamant about what we hate to eat! But

I need to do something about the pain, and fast. Having pain (that is

keeping me from sleeping) 4-6 times a week just doesn't work for me!

Thank you for telling what you eat. I'm absolutely horrid when it comes to

choosing my own foods. I'm so nervous about eating the wrong thing, I swear

I'd just eat nothing instead!

Have you found that what you're eating tends to keep you full during the 'in

between' times? That's another one of my fears, just being hungry between

meals, and feeling like I can't eat *anything* to curb it. Darned

gallstones!

I wish it wasn't so close to the holidays - it seems we have something going

ton each weekend, so it is very very poor timing for me to do a flush!

I, too, am thinking of going to see a naturopath (I think that's what

they're called).

I hope all is well and safe for you in Louisiana!

On 12/6/05, thirstydragon2001 <rickyidlett@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Dana,

>

> I am in a situation almost exactly like yours. Been hurting for 2

> months and just found out I have stones. I was advised to have my

> gallbladder out and was about ready to do it until I found these

> websites. I have changed my diet, I am 33 yrs old, 312 lbs(was 333lbs

> a month ago), a little high blood pressure. I have been having fruit

> for beakfast, salad for lunch, baked fish and steamed vegetables for

> supper. A bananna between if I get hungry. Also I am eating a little

> raw garlic and fresh lemon juice daily.

> A trip to the ER with abdominal and chest pains was enough to get me

> to eating right! I haven't done a flush yet but am planning on it

> soon. I am going to seek the guidance of a " natural path " (I think that

> is what they are called) or natural doctor N.D. I haven't had bad pain

> for a couple of days and am staying away from the foods that can

> trigger attacks. Although I am sorry you have these problems it is

> nice to know I am not alone!

>

> Ricky

> Louisiana

[Guest guest]

Dana;

Toast being a wheat product should be avoided. I too will have a substantive

amount of pain from heartburn if I too eat it before going to bed. If you must

eat before going to bed have a little something that has enzymes in it, like a

fruit, or a live vegetable, and see if that doesn't help. Be sure to chew it

thoroughly too. This lets your mouth do the juicing.

I haven't had a gallbladder or liver attack since my liver attack in October of

99, they feel so much alike that it is undistinguishable. I know for a fact that

it had been a liver attack since the ultrasound test showed a normal gallbladder

and liver with the liver having larger ducts. The blood test was the clincher

with it showing elevated levels of liver enzymes.

Allergies to wheat and other things is not uncommon with those who have

gallbladder problems. Milk is too. So, adding the butter to it was like stroke

of the fire with a fan. When you have a compromised gallbladder it does you well

to avoid as much dairy and wheat as is humanly possible.

Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: Dana Reale

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Introduction

Ricky,

Thanks very much for your reply!

I really do need to modify my diet. It seems almost everything puts me in

pain for the most of the night (even toast with small amounts of butter).

Unfortunately getting my husband and I to agree on a modified diet will be

next to impossible - we are each very adamant about what we hate to eat! But

I need to do something about the pain, and fast. Having pain (that is

keeping me from sleeping) 4-6 times a week just doesn't work for me!

Thank you for telling what you eat. I'm absolutely horrid when it comes to

choosing my own foods. I'm so nervous about eating the wrong thing, I swear

I'd just eat nothing instead!

Have you found that what you're eating tends to keep you full during the 'in

between' times? That's another one of my fears, just being hungry between

meals, and feeling like I can't eat *anything* to curb it. Darned

gallstones!

I wish it wasn't so close to the holidays - it seems we have something going

ton each weekend, so it is very very poor timing for me to do a flush!

I, too, am thinking of going to see a naturopath (I think that's what

they're called).

I hope all is well and safe for you in Louisiana!

On 12/6/05, thirstydragon2001 <rickyidlett@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Dana,

>

> I am in a situation almost exactly like yours. Been hurting for 2

> months and just found out I have stones. I was advised to have my

> gallbladder out and was about ready to do it until I found these

> websites. I have changed my diet, I am 33 yrs old, 312 lbs(was 333lbs

> a month ago), a little high blood pressure. I have been having fruit

> for beakfast, salad for lunch, baked fish and steamed vegetables for

> supper. A bananna between if I get hungry. Also I am eating a little

> raw garlic and fresh lemon juice daily.

> A trip to the ER with abdominal and chest pains was enough to get me

> to eating right! I haven't done a flush yet but am planning on it

> soon. I am going to seek the guidance of a " natural path " (I think that

> is what they are called) or natural doctor N.D. I haven't had bad pain

> for a couple of days and am staying away from the foods that can

> trigger attacks. Although I am sorry you have these problems it is

> nice to know I am not alone!

>

> Ricky

> Louisiana

[Guest guest]

Oh dear, that's bad news I love toast and butter! Oh well - my diet

really did need a makeover anyway.

Thank you for the tid-bit on folks with gallbladder problems being

sensitive to wheat. It's a bummer, but I'd rather deny myself some

sorts of food rather than going throught his pain every night!

Although sometimes a little epsom salts really does help.

Is there a thread or forum anywhere for all the cooks in the crowd to

share the recipes that are working for them? I, personally, LOVE to

cook, which is what is making this so difficult for me!! And with the

holidays just around the corner, I'm sure there will be TONS of no-no

foods just laying around.

On 12/7/05, Dale <Da_@...> wrote:

> Dana;

>

> Toast being a wheat product should be avoided. I too will have a

> substantive amount of pain from heartburn if I too eat it before going to

> bed. If you must eat before going to bed have a little something that has

> enzymes in it, like a fruit, or a live vegetable, and see if that doesn't

> help. Be sure to chew it thoroughly too. This lets your mouth do the

> juicing.

>

> I haven't had a gallbladder or liver attack since my liver attack in

> October of 99, they feel so much alike that it is undistinguishable. I know

> for a fact that it had been a liver attack since the ultrasound test showed

> a normal gallbladder and liver with the liver having larger ducts. The blood

> test was the clincher with it showing elevated levels of liver enzymes.

>

> Allergies to wheat and other things is not uncommon with those who have

> gallbladder problems. Milk is too. So, adding the butter to it was like

> stroke of the fire with a fan. When you have a compromised gallbladder it

> does you well to avoid as much dairy and wheat as is humanly possible.

>

> Dale

[Guest guest]

Dana;

A great publication is Dr. Cabot's book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " . This book

has a lot of recopies and will be a means of great enlightenment regarding the

liver and the gallbladder. I attribute much of my success with the information I

learned from her and have put to practice. If anything it helps a person get an

idea of what and how to eat.

Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: Dana Reale

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:23 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Introduction

Oh dear, that's bad news I love toast and butter! Oh well - my diet

really did need a makeover anyway.

Thank you for the tid-bit on folks with gallbladder problems being

sensitive to wheat. It's a bummer, but I'd rather deny myself some

sorts of food rather than going throught his pain every night!

Although sometimes a little epsom salts really does help.

Is there a thread or forum anywhere for all the cooks in the crowd to

share the recipes that are working for them? I, personally, LOVE to

cook, which is what is making this so difficult for me!! And with the

holidays just around the corner, I'm sure there will be TONS of no-no

foods just laying around.

On 12/7/05, Dale <Da_@...> wrote:

> Dana;

>

> Toast being a wheat product should be avoided. I too will have a

> substantive amount of pain from heartburn if I too eat it before going to

> bed. If you must eat before going to bed have a little something that has

> enzymes in it, like a fruit, or a live vegetable, and see if that doesn't

> help. Be sure to chew it thoroughly too. This lets your mouth do the

> juicing.

>

> I haven't had a gallbladder or liver attack since my liver attack in

> October of 99, they feel so much alike that it is undistinguishable. I know

> for a fact that it had been a liver attack since the ultrasound test showed

> a normal gallbladder and liver with the liver having larger ducts. The blood

> test was the clincher with it showing elevated levels of liver enzymes.

>

> Allergies to wheat and other things is not uncommon with those who have

> gallbladder problems. Milk is too. So, adding the butter to it was like

> stroke of the fire with a fan. When you have a compromised gallbladder it

> does you well to avoid as much dairy and wheat as is humanly possible.

>

> Dale

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to our group. I am very sorry to hear of your downhill slide

of health since implants. It has happened to many of us.

Unfortunately, there is not much available in the form of proof that

we can show our doctors. If there were, then we would not be fighting

anyone in court! Case closed! But the manufacturer's have taken

advantage of this deficiency in the medical realm, and used it for

their greedy purposes. Without proof, doubt is cast, and doubt is all

that is needed for them to win in court.

Of course, our proof is the many, many women who become ill after

getting implants, and further proof is in the many, many women who

regain their health after removing the implants. There is no

coincidence there.

I would also venture to say that because implants have been

controversial for years, the controversy is itself proof that implants

are harming women. If there were no problems, it wouldn't have even

come up as a consideration! But as they say, where there is smoke,

there is fire! Too many women sick with too many autoimmune symptoms.

There have been some studies done that show women with implants are at

risk for more diseases, including cancer and autoimmune disease. I

believe Dr. Zuckerman's site has alot of this information. Check it

out here:

http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know_4.html

Hope this helps!

Patty

>

> Hello Ladies!

> I'm new to the group. I was implanted in June '99 and my health had

> dramatically and consistently gone down hill ever since! I term it

> like this....I'm a physical disaster! I KNOW it's because of these

> dumb implants, but my current doctor with the HMO (yuck) won't do

> anything to help me get them out. He says that there is nothing out

> there that will prove it's the implants playing a role in my poor

> health. Does anyone have any guidance to obtain " proof. " Please?

>

> I look forward to hearing from you and extracting as much education

> out of this group as I can! Thanks for having me!

>

> Christene

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Christene,

I too am new to the group and was implanted in June 1998.

I don't know what your health issues are but mine were from the beginning of the implants, I began with an itching of the skin on my arms which drove me nuts. I woke in the night and had to put ice. Then the skin on my arms suffered. It became dry, loss of elasticity, my arms were thin and my top muscles seemed to be wasting.

I visited many doctors who told me to see a skin specialist and I had all the creams, anti hystamines, told to stay out of the sun etc but I knew all along that it must be the implants.

Then my fingers began deforming, skin thickened on them and I was getting joint pains. The joint pains spread through most of my body. Sometimes by back would just give and I wouldn't be able to walk. I also noticed that one of my breasts seemed be be drooping alittle and the skin slackening but the surgeon said to massage them especially the other one which had gone very hard!!.

I continued to get the run around until last week when I decided to go and see a Doctor who I knew I could talk too.

I told her that I thought my implants were leaking and I wanted a scan and also that I believed that the implants had caused all my problems. She gave me a letter for the hospital to have an Eco scan (not a mammography as others had wanted) and it was then I found that both had ruptured.

I have to see a surgeon now for his views but I will definitely demand he takes them out. I have downloaded lots of imformation though this support group and have been able to print information off and translate it into Spanish so I can take it with me.

I suggest you find a doctor who you can talk to and tell them what YOU want and take it from there.

I wish to all the very best. Let me know what you think,

-- Introduction

Hello Ladies!I'm new to the group. I was implanted in June '99 and my health had dramatically and consistently gone down hill ever since! I term it like this....I'm a physical disaster! I KNOW it's because of these dumb implants, but my current doctor with the HMO (yuck) won't do anything to help me get them out. He says that there is nothing out there that will prove it's the implants playing a role in my poor health. Does anyone have any guidance to obtain "proof." Please?I look forward to hearing from you and extracting as much education out of this group as I can! Thanks for having me!Christene

[Guest guest]

Hi Christene. I am sorry you are going thru all of this. I went thru

the same thing, things got really bad this past Feb. I went to tons of

docs and none would admit that my saline implants could cause all of

my symptoms. (migraines, vertigo, bone & joint pain, numbness in arms

and hands, rashes, itching, HAIR LOSS) I am only 29 years old and in

great shape so when all the tests kept coming back fine I knew that it

was my implants. I think you have to follow your gut. After finding

these sites and recieving the support from these wonderful ladies and

doctors that finally could relate to what I was going thru and admit

that my implants could be causing my sickness I decided to explant. I

went to Dr. Kolb. You can read my full story under Jenna on

www.explantation.com. Although there is no " proof " I can tell you

this. I am 4 months post op and ALL of my symptoms have gone away. I

have been one of the lucky ones. My health is 100% back to normal and

I know for a FACT that my implants were causing my problems. With

implants=SICK, without=HEALTHY, what more proof do these doctors need?

Anyhow, it is going to be a long journey for you but I must say there

is light at the end of the tunnel. You can also check out my before

and after pictures on our shutterfly picture site

(www..shutterfly.com) Password is: IMPLANTS. I think it

is important to share the truth. I must say at first I was very upset

with the way my breasts looked after they were removed. Boy was I dumb

to get upset. I am now 4 months post and looking better then ever. I

look better now then I did with those huge D's on my chest. All of my

pucerking has gone away and my scars are slowly fading, I am now a

full B and still fluffing, it takes time to heal, patience is a huge

part of the entire experience. Anyhow hope this helps, follow your

heart, most docs won't admit to this because it is a multi billion

dollar industry! Good luck, Jenna

>

> Hello Ladies!

> I'm new to the group. I was implanted in June '99 and my health had

> dramatically and consistently gone down hill ever since! I term it

> like this....I'm a physical disaster! I KNOW it's because of these

> dumb implants, but my current doctor with the HMO (yuck) won't do

> anything to help me get them out. He says that there is nothing out

> there that will prove it's the implants playing a role in my poor

> health. Does anyone have any guidance to obtain " proof. " Please?

>

> I look forward to hearing from you and extracting as much education

> out of this group as I can! Thanks for having me!

>

> Christene

>