Re: religious standings?

[Guest guest]

Amen!! ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Re: religious standings?

I applaud her as well. But to not care about parents who don't read the inserts is not right. I didn't even know there were inserts as a young first time mother, or how or where to request them from. ALL they gave me at the time was their BS pamphlets on the safety of them. There is nothing on their pamphlets about arthritis!

If I tell a parent about an insert and they still choose not to read it, well not much we can do, but we still need to tell them.

Re: religious standings?

Peggy,

You are great!! You sound like a kindred spirit as I have had to educate and

inform school nurses and other 'authorities' about my rights as a parent NOT

to vaccinate. It's the SOS and they like to throw their weight around and when

I refuse to back down, they don't know what to think. I love being a burr under

their saddle and have informed and educated many parents over the past 20

years about their rights and vaccine dangers. The 'I trust my doctor' mantra

I continually hear just blows me away. I ask them, 'do you read food labels?'

"of course' is the answer. And then I ask, 'do you read the insert labels for

the vaccines?' I have yet to hear of one parent who has and the sheep

mentality is unbelievable. My friend said that basically if they don't

do their homework, then unfortunately, they (their children) suffer the results

and she doesn't feel sorry for them. I'm in agreement, although I hate to

see unhealthy, sick kids who are damaged by vaccines which are numerous

these days. My friends who are teachers are overwhelmed w/the special needs

kids they have in their classrooms and one teacher commented that the rise in

vaccines is the only factor that she has found to be the cause.

I applaud your standing your ground and letting these people have it. I never give

my power away and challenge both school officials, legislators, and others who

think that vaccines are necessary to being healthy. Nothing could be further from

the truth.

Carry on!

[Guest guest]

Amen!! ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Re: religious standings?

I applaud her as well. But to not care about parents who don't read the inserts is not right. I didn't even know there were inserts as a young first time mother, or how or where to request them from. ALL they gave me at the time was their BS pamphlets on the safety of them. There is nothing on their pamphlets about arthritis!

If I tell a parent about an insert and they still choose not to read it, well not much we can do, but we still need to tell them.

Re: religious standings?

Peggy,

You are great!! You sound like a kindred spirit as I have had to educate and

inform school nurses and other 'authorities' about my rights as a parent NOT

to vaccinate. It's the SOS and they like to throw their weight around and when

I refuse to back down, they don't know what to think. I love being a burr under

their saddle and have informed and educated many parents over the past 20

years about their rights and vaccine dangers. The 'I trust my doctor' mantra

I continually hear just blows me away. I ask them, 'do you read food labels?'

"of course' is the answer. And then I ask, 'do you read the insert labels for

the vaccines?' I have yet to hear of one parent who has and the sheep

mentality is unbelievable. My friend said that basically if they don't

do their homework, then unfortunately, they (their children) suffer the results

and she doesn't feel sorry for them. I'm in agreement, although I hate to

see unhealthy, sick kids who are damaged by vaccines which are numerous

these days. My friends who are teachers are overwhelmed w/the special needs

kids they have in their classrooms and one teacher commented that the rise in

vaccines is the only factor that she has found to be the cause.

I applaud your standing your ground and letting these people have it. I never give

my power away and challenge both school officials, legislators, and others who

think that vaccines are necessary to being healthy. Nothing could be further from

the truth.

Carry on!

[Guest guest]

Amen!! ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Re: religious standings?

I applaud her as well. But to not care about parents who don't read the inserts is not right. I didn't even know there were inserts as a young first time mother, or how or where to request them from. ALL they gave me at the time was their BS pamphlets on the safety of them. There is nothing on their pamphlets about arthritis!

If I tell a parent about an insert and they still choose not to read it, well not much we can do, but we still need to tell them.

Re: religious standings?

Peggy,

You are great!! You sound like a kindred spirit as I have had to educate and

inform school nurses and other 'authorities' about my rights as a parent NOT

to vaccinate. It's the SOS and they like to throw their weight around and when

I refuse to back down, they don't know what to think. I love being a burr under

their saddle and have informed and educated many parents over the past 20

years about their rights and vaccine dangers. The 'I trust my doctor' mantra

I continually hear just blows me away. I ask them, 'do you read food labels?'

"of course' is the answer. And then I ask, 'do you read the insert labels for

the vaccines?' I have yet to hear of one parent who has and the sheep

mentality is unbelievable. My friend said that basically if they don't

do their homework, then unfortunately, they (their children) suffer the results

and she doesn't feel sorry for them. I'm in agreement, although I hate to

see unhealthy, sick kids who are damaged by vaccines which are numerous

these days. My friends who are teachers are overwhelmed w/the special needs

kids they have in their classrooms and one teacher commented that the rise in

vaccines is the only factor that she has found to be the cause.

I applaud your standing your ground and letting these people have it. I never give

my power away and challenge both school officials, legislators, and others who

think that vaccines are necessary to being healthy. Nothing could be further from

the truth.

Carry on!

[Guest guest]

Amen!! ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Re: religious standings?

I applaud her as well. But to not care about parents who don't read the inserts is not right. I didn't even know there were inserts as a young first time mother, or how or where to request them from. ALL they gave me at the time was their BS pamphlets on the safety of them. There is nothing on their pamphlets about arthritis!

If I tell a parent about an insert and they still choose not to read it, well not much we can do, but we still need to tell them.

Re: religious standings?

Peggy,

You are great!! You sound like a kindred spirit as I have had to educate and

inform school nurses and other 'authorities' about my rights as a parent NOT

to vaccinate. It's the SOS and they like to throw their weight around and when

I refuse to back down, they don't know what to think. I love being a burr under

their saddle and have informed and educated many parents over the past 20

years about their rights and vaccine dangers. The 'I trust my doctor' mantra

I continually hear just blows me away. I ask them, 'do you read food labels?'

"of course' is the answer. And then I ask, 'do you read the insert labels for

the vaccines?' I have yet to hear of one parent who has and the sheep

mentality is unbelievable. My friend said that basically if they don't

do their homework, then unfortunately, they (their children) suffer the results

and she doesn't feel sorry for them. I'm in agreement, although I hate to

see unhealthy, sick kids who are damaged by vaccines which are numerous

these days. My friends who are teachers are overwhelmed w/the special needs

kids they have in their classrooms and one teacher commented that the rise in

vaccines is the only factor that she has found to be the cause.

I applaud your standing your ground and letting these people have it. I never give

my power away and challenge both school officials, legislators, and others who

think that vaccines are necessary to being healthy. Nothing could be further from

the truth.

Carry on!

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree more, !!! Thank you! ~~ Ruth/REU

Re: religious standings?

I think the worst thing we can do as a group is be condescending to others who don’t understand vaccination problems. We should try to educate but most of us unfortunately learned of the dangers after a reaction. Please don’t condemn just try to educate.

All Truth Goes Through Three Stages...

1. It is ridiculed

2. It is violently opposed

3. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree more, !!! Thank you! ~~ Ruth/REU

Re: religious standings?

I think the worst thing we can do as a group is be condescending to others who don’t understand vaccination problems. We should try to educate but most of us unfortunately learned of the dangers after a reaction. Please don’t condemn just try to educate.

All Truth Goes Through Three Stages...

1. It is ridiculed

2. It is violently opposed

3. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident

[Guest guest]

Not sure how far along you are, , but with my first son I

switched from a planned hospital birth to a home water/hypnobirth at

32 weeks... my son was born at 37 weeks, so I was only under the

midwife's care for five weeks prior to birth. During that 5 weeks I

saw my midwife more than I'd seen my OB during my entire pregnancy,

and it was better quality care, by a LONG SHOT. It was the BEST,

BEST, BEST decision I could have made for my whole family! If you

really feel like you want a home birth, I urge you to contact a

midwife or two and discuss the option. After having witnessed two

hospital births then giving birth at home twice (I have a 7 week old

and a 2.5 year old), I can tell you it's an entirely different

experience at home... uplifting, empowering and so natural. Also, at

home you can let your guard down and relax and focus on bonding with

your baby... you don't have to be on your guard 24/7 to keep the

hospital away from your precious newborn with needles of this, that

and the other toxin, vaccines, vitamin K, etc.! I take pride that my

baby has never had a needle poke at all!

If you want more info, support, or an ear to bounch things off of

regarding home birth, please feel free to email me off-list.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, godardam <godardam@...> wrote:

> Theresa,

>

> That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I

> guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap

> system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the

> phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche

> meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a

> newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we

> really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be

> too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs and

> homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me

> from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for

> sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were

> discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said

> that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have

> to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later

> we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old

> because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we

> would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think

> well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though

> they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when

> something is wrong.

>

> The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical

> communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive

> medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies

> such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food.

>

> I don't want to digress, just thank you again.

>

>

>

>

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines

> for

>> > my 2

>> > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot

>> > tomorrow.

>> > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to

> opt

>> > > > out of

>> > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and

>> > religous.

>> > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt

> the

>> > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and

>> > choose

>> > > > the

>> > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face

> it,

>> > I'll

>> > > > be

>> > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on

> religious

>> > > > reasons?

>> > > > > Thanks!

>> > > > > L.

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure how far along you are, , but with my first son I

switched from a planned hospital birth to a home water/hypnobirth at

32 weeks... my son was born at 37 weeks, so I was only under the

midwife's care for five weeks prior to birth. During that 5 weeks I

saw my midwife more than I'd seen my OB during my entire pregnancy,

and it was better quality care, by a LONG SHOT. It was the BEST,

BEST, BEST decision I could have made for my whole family! If you

really feel like you want a home birth, I urge you to contact a

midwife or two and discuss the option. After having witnessed two

hospital births then giving birth at home twice (I have a 7 week old

and a 2.5 year old), I can tell you it's an entirely different

experience at home... uplifting, empowering and so natural. Also, at

home you can let your guard down and relax and focus on bonding with

your baby... you don't have to be on your guard 24/7 to keep the

hospital away from your precious newborn with needles of this, that

and the other toxin, vaccines, vitamin K, etc.! I take pride that my

baby has never had a needle poke at all!

If you want more info, support, or an ear to bounch things off of

regarding home birth, please feel free to email me off-list.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, godardam <godardam@...> wrote:

> Theresa,

>

> That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I

> guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap

> system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the

> phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche

> meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a

> newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we

> really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be

> too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs and

> homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me

> from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for

> sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were

> discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said

> that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have

> to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later

> we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old

> because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we

> would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think

> well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though

> they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when

> something is wrong.

>

> The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical

> communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive

> medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies

> such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food.

>

> I don't want to digress, just thank you again.

>

>

>

>

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines

> for

>> > my 2

>> > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot

>> > tomorrow.

>> > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to

> opt

>> > > > out of

>> > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and

>> > religous.

>> > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt

> the

>> > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and

>> > choose

>> > > > the

>> > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face

> it,

>> > I'll

>> > > > be

>> > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on

> religious

>> > > > reasons?

>> > > > > Thanks!

>> > > > > L.

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I think your note was intended for - as I was discussing

homebirth with her - and she is due soon.

I agree - I spent hours and hours with all my midwives, went to their

homes, and they came to mine - multiple times before all of my

births. We ate together and hung together (as well as did baby

preparation)!

All of my homebirths went quickly and wonderfully - My children are

20, 18, 15 and 10. Even my miscarriage between my 15 and 10 year

olds - although it was late, painful, and went on for days, was an

important experience and better for being at home where I could

grieve and not be interfered with.

Among the many beauties of homebirth is that NO ONE hassles you about

vaccines. Babies born in the hospital are expected to lose up to 10%

of their birth weight.

Babies born at home usually don't lose ANY of their birthweight.

I am also happy to discuss this offlist; although, I believe some

mention of homebirthing and other topics (breastfeeding, home

education, eating local diets) is very appropriate to the vaccine

discussion - I hope others feel similarly.

Best,

Theresa

On Jun 10, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Roberg wrote:

> Not sure how far along you are, , but with my first son I

> switched from a planned hospital birth to a home water/hypnobirth at

> 32 weeks... my son was born at 37 weeks, so I was only under the

> midwife's care for five weeks prior to birth. During that 5 weeks I

> saw my midwife more than I'd seen my OB during my entire pregnancy,

> and it was better quality care, by a LONG SHOT. It was the BEST,

> BEST, BEST decision I could have made for my whole family! If you

> really feel like you want a home birth, I urge you to contact a

> midwife or two and discuss the option. After having witnessed two

> hospital births then giving birth at home twice (I have a 7 week old

> and a 2.5 year old), I can tell you it's an entirely different

> experience at home... uplifting, empowering and so natural. Also, at

> home you can let your guard down and relax and focus on bonding with

> your baby... you don't have to be on your guard 24/7 to keep the

> hospital away from your precious newborn with needles of this, that

> and the other toxin, vaccines, vitamin K, etc.! I take pride that my

> baby has never had a needle poke at all!

>

> If you want more info, support, or an ear to bounch things off of

> regarding home birth, please feel free to email me off-list.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, godardam <godardam@...> wrote:

> > Theresa,

> >

> > That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I

> > guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap

> > system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the

> > phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche

> > meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing

> with a

> > newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we

> > really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be

> > too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs

> and

> > homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me

> > from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for

> > sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were

> > discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said

> > that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have

> > to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later

> > we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old

> > because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we

> > would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think

> > well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though

> > they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing

> when

> > something is wrong.

> >

> > The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical

> > communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive

> > medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies

> > such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food.

> >

> > I don't want to digress, just thank you again.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines

> > for

> >> > my 2

> >> > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot

> >> > tomorrow.

> >> > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to

> > opt

> >> > > > out of

> >> > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and

> >> > religous.

> >> > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt

> > the

> >> > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and

> >> > choose

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face

> > it,

> >> > I'll

> >> > > > be

> >> > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on

> > religious

> >> > > > reasons?

> >> > > > > Thanks!

> >> > > > > L.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I think your note was intended for - as I was discussing

homebirth with her - and she is due soon.

I agree - I spent hours and hours with all my midwives, went to their

homes, and they came to mine - multiple times before all of my

births. We ate together and hung together (as well as did baby

preparation)!

All of my homebirths went quickly and wonderfully - My children are

20, 18, 15 and 10. Even my miscarriage between my 15 and 10 year

olds - although it was late, painful, and went on for days, was an

important experience and better for being at home where I could

grieve and not be interfered with.

Among the many beauties of homebirth is that NO ONE hassles you about

vaccines. Babies born in the hospital are expected to lose up to 10%

of their birth weight.

Babies born at home usually don't lose ANY of their birthweight.

I am also happy to discuss this offlist; although, I believe some

mention of homebirthing and other topics (breastfeeding, home

education, eating local diets) is very appropriate to the vaccine

discussion - I hope others feel similarly.

Best,

Theresa

On Jun 10, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Roberg wrote:

> Not sure how far along you are, , but with my first son I

> switched from a planned hospital birth to a home water/hypnobirth at

> 32 weeks... my son was born at 37 weeks, so I was only under the

> midwife's care for five weeks prior to birth. During that 5 weeks I

> saw my midwife more than I'd seen my OB during my entire pregnancy,

> and it was better quality care, by a LONG SHOT. It was the BEST,

> BEST, BEST decision I could have made for my whole family! If you

> really feel like you want a home birth, I urge you to contact a

> midwife or two and discuss the option. After having witnessed two

> hospital births then giving birth at home twice (I have a 7 week old

> and a 2.5 year old), I can tell you it's an entirely different

> experience at home... uplifting, empowering and so natural. Also, at

> home you can let your guard down and relax and focus on bonding with

> your baby... you don't have to be on your guard 24/7 to keep the

> hospital away from your precious newborn with needles of this, that

> and the other toxin, vaccines, vitamin K, etc.! I take pride that my

> baby has never had a needle poke at all!

>

> If you want more info, support, or an ear to bounch things off of

> regarding home birth, please feel free to email me off-list.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, godardam <godardam@...> wrote:

> > Theresa,

> >

> > That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I

> > guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap

> > system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the

> > phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche

> > meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing

> with a

> > newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we

> > really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be

> > too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs

> and

> > homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me

> > from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for

> > sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were

> > discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said

> > that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have

> > to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later

> > we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old

> > because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we

> > would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think

> > well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though

> > they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing

> when

> > something is wrong.

> >

> > The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical

> > communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive

> > medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies

> > such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food.

> >

> > I don't want to digress, just thank you again.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines

> > for

> >> > my 2

> >> > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot

> >> > tomorrow.

> >> > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to

> > opt

> >> > > > out of

> >> > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and

> >> > religous.

> >> > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt

> > the

> >> > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and

> >> > choose

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face

> > it,

> >> > I'll

> >> > > > be

> >> > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on

> > religious

> >> > > > reasons?

> >> > > > > Thanks!

> >> > > > > L.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oops! You're right, it was meant for ! That's a sleep-deprived

mother of a toddler and a newborn for you....

Your story is wonderful, , thanks for sharing that!

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Theresa <tgeorge1@...> wrote:

> Hi -

>

> I think your note was intended for - as I was discussing

> homebirth with her - and she is due soon.

[Guest guest]

Oops! You're right, it was meant for ! That's a sleep-deprived

mother of a toddler and a newborn for you....

Your story is wonderful, , thanks for sharing that!

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Theresa <tgeorge1@...> wrote:

> Hi -

>

> I think your note was intended for - as I was discussing

> homebirth with her - and she is due soon.

[Guest guest]

I sent this a few days ago but found it today in my outbox - I think

it never got sent, so I'm sending it again.

Theresa

Hi - - a couple of responses!

On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:06 PM, godardam wrote:

> Theresa,

>

> That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I

> guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap

> system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the

> phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche

> meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a

> newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we

> really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be

> too late (a month to go) to change

>

I see; although, I've known several women who've planned homebirths

at the last minute - one of my friends was carrying a breech baby and

since her ob didn't know how to handle a breech, and his insurance

insisted on sectioning, she switched to a homebirth midwife who did

breeches all the time. Her birth went beautifully at home.

So - just do know that you still have options. I had 3 wonderful

homebirths and 1 late term miscarriage (not wonderful) all at home

after a devastating c-section for my first birth. Even though the

allopaths would call v-bac " high risk, " I felt so much safer at home - -

No matter what your decision, I hope you have a very safe and joyful

birth!

A quick note on tandem nursing. I did for a long while and just a

piece of wisdom - I always thought I should nurse my newborn first.

I'm not sure how I would do it today, but because my older child

nursed so heavily, I often had way too much milk for my second

(newborn). The letdowns were too much for him; I'm not sure he got

enough hind milk - maybe too much fore milk - but he never got

attached too nursing the way my first did. If I had it to do over,

I would probably talk to a lactation consultant about how to make it

more comfortable for my newborn. However, this could have been more

due to his nature and his constitution than to the way tandem nursing

plays out.

> . But my docs are open to herbs and

> homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me

> from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for

> sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were

> discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said

> that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have

> to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later

> we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old

> because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we

> would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think

> well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though

> they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when

> something is wrong.

>

You really are caught between the worlds, and I'm sure that is

stressful, but I can hear that you KNOW your own child. It sounds as

if you are being a real consumer about your health care - remember,

that when you hire and health care provider, they are your employee -

it sounds as if you are pretty clear on that!

>

>

> The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical

> communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive

> medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies

> such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food.

>

Have you heard of the 100 mile diet? It's a plan that you only

consume food that has been grown and produced within 100 miles of

where you live. It is the ultimate LOCALIZATION. Here in Ithaca, I

have a number of friends who are on 100 mile. As for my family, we

are about 80% local. We get all our meat and most of our veggies

locally (veggies from about April through November). We still

consume some grains (rice and wheat in small quantities) and oils

that are produced elsewhere.

This is a great way to punch the system and support family farms and

healthier food!

>

>

> I don't want to digress, just thank you again.

>

Digression is my middle name, I guess - at any rate, very very

healthy pregnancy - wonderful birth to you - and please stay in touch!

Theresa

>

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines

> for

> > > my 2

> > > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot

> > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to

> opt

> > > > > out of

> > > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and

> > > religous.

> > > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt

> the

> > > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and

> > > choose

> > > > > the

> > > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face

> it,

> > > I'll

> > > > > be

> > > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on

> religious

> > > > > reasons?

> > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > > L.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I sent this a few days ago but found it today in my outbox - I think

it never got sent, so I'm sending it again.

Theresa

Hi - - a couple of responses!

On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:06 PM, godardam wrote:

> Theresa,

>

> That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I

> guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap

> system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the

> phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche

> meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a

> newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we

> really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be

> too late (a month to go) to change

>

I see; although, I've known several women who've planned homebirths

at the last minute - one of my friends was carrying a breech baby and

since her ob didn't know how to handle a breech, and his insurance

insisted on sectioning, she switched to a homebirth midwife who did

breeches all the time. Her birth went beautifully at home.

So - just do know that you still have options. I had 3 wonderful

homebirths and 1 late term miscarriage (not wonderful) all at home

after a devastating c-section for my first birth. Even though the

allopaths would call v-bac " high risk, " I felt so much safer at home - -

No matter what your decision, I hope you have a very safe and joyful

birth!

A quick note on tandem nursing. I did for a long while and just a

piece of wisdom - I always thought I should nurse my newborn first.

I'm not sure how I would do it today, but because my older child

nursed so heavily, I often had way too much milk for my second

(newborn). The letdowns were too much for him; I'm not sure he got

enough hind milk - maybe too much fore milk - but he never got

attached too nursing the way my first did. If I had it to do over,

I would probably talk to a lactation consultant about how to make it

more comfortable for my newborn. However, this could have been more

due to his nature and his constitution than to the way tandem nursing

plays out.

> . But my docs are open to herbs and

> homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me

> from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for

> sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were

> discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said

> that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have

> to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later

> we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old

> because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we

> would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think

> well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though

> they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when

> something is wrong.

>

You really are caught between the worlds, and I'm sure that is

stressful, but I can hear that you KNOW your own child. It sounds as

if you are being a real consumer about your health care - remember,

that when you hire and health care provider, they are your employee -

it sounds as if you are pretty clear on that!

>

>

> The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical

> communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive

> medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies

> such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food.

>

Have you heard of the 100 mile diet? It's a plan that you only

consume food that has been grown and produced within 100 miles of

where you live. It is the ultimate LOCALIZATION. Here in Ithaca, I

have a number of friends who are on 100 mile. As for my family, we

are about 80% local. We get all our meat and most of our veggies

locally (veggies from about April through November). We still

consume some grains (rice and wheat in small quantities) and oils

that are produced elsewhere.

This is a great way to punch the system and support family farms and

healthier food!

>

>

> I don't want to digress, just thank you again.

>

Digression is my middle name, I guess - at any rate, very very

healthy pregnancy - wonderful birth to you - and please stay in touch!

Theresa

>

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines

> for

> > > my 2

> > > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot

> > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to

> opt

> > > > > out of

> > > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and

> > > religous.

> > > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt

> the

> > > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and

> > > choose

> > > > > the

> > > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face

> it,

> > > I'll

> > > > > be

> > > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on

> religious

> > > > > reasons?

> > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > > L.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>