Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hi Theresa, I live in VA and wanted to find out more of what you were sharing regarding your experience. Although we are not required to vaccinate children until school (I plan to homeschool as well), the pediatric doctors require vaccination to participate in their practice which seems illegal to me, but I was thinking to provide them with our religious exemption form, or change doctors totally to our family doctor, who is less strict but still encourages it. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks, > > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for my 2 > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot tomorrow. > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > out of > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and religous. > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and choose > > the > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, I'll > > be > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious > > reasons? > > > Thanks! > > > L. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hi : Some of the best advice I received many years ago, after struggling with " medical " choices for my first child, was to use a family doctor, not a pediatrician. When WE were kids, peds were only for specialty issues or for newborns. By the way, many family doctors still do attend births and are much more open minded and exposed to a variety of clients and ideas than peds. One of the family practice doctors here in Ithaca and his wife birthed all 4 of their children at home. While he does vaccinate his kids, he is tremendously respectful of my opinion that vaccines are life long poisons and I would not put them into my children. By the way, I have used his service on a couple of occasions when my kids had accidents and needed to be checked for broken bones (which he did with manipulation, and our chiropractor followed up with tuning forks - no x-rays - you have to be patient and brave, and be very attentive to their symptoms and their mobility and watch them for several days - but I have found that we have only chosen 1 x-ray out of the probably 10 or 12 times my kids have been hurt enough that x-rays were discussed as a diagnostic option). There are more open minded allopaths out there - I have always found them out by talking to La Leche mothers (off the record), other homeschooling parents, as well as the alternative health consultants with whom my family does business (AND DON'T FORGET - THIS IS BUSINESS). I agree with a slightly earlier post regarding " well baby " visits. The ONLY PURPOSE of these visits is to insure that the allopathic system has access to children when parents are more likely to take the kids in for visits. IF YOUR KID IS WELL, WHY DO YOU NEED TO TAKE THEM TO THE DOCTOR???? " Well visits " are a crock. The only time my kids got sick, was when I took them in for a well visit, and they were exposed to the sick kids! AND THIS WAS IN A DOCTOR'S OFFICE THAT HAD SEPARATE ROOMS FOR SICK AND WELL CLIENTS. However, I question the journey to find a " friendly " allopath anyway. When my daughter was 2 1/2, my son was born, the first of 4 subsequent home births, and we stopped using allopathic care altogether, except for the injuries I noted above. We have found ASTOUNDING support from my chiropractor, my homeopath, a great kinesiologist, acupuncturists and naturopaths. For a while, our primary health consultant was a Native American midwife, and I had never before, nor have I since encountered anyone who knew the human body and its healing patterns better. It is overwhelming to parents that we have to know so much to take care of ourselves and our children - that we have to become our own experts - but I feel we have no choice unless we default our responsibilities to our babies to the mindless, heartless, brainwashed allopathic system. And don't be fooled - those guys are more scared than we are - because they think they have no other options. It's tragic. Regarding VA opt out for vaccines - I never had to use my religious exemption there because my kids were out of the schooling system from day one. Here in NY, we have used religious exempt for camps and now colleges. I'm sorry to have diverted so much! Let me address one more part of your note. Your doctor (pediatrician) CANNOT " require " vaccinations. They may choose to refuse to do business with you or provide service to you (which is against the hippocratic oath, but do you really want to associate with them anyway?) If you have a family doctor who encourages vaccines but doesn't hassle you, then why not end your association with the ped? In VA I found such a family doctor, before I worked with the Native American woman. This family doc was older and still made the occasional housecall! I would not provide them with your forms or letters. I would just stop going to their office. If you need your records, then simply write a letter requesting them. They may charge you for photocopying. If you are open to alternative support, try ferreting out folks who will share their lists of good health consultants. I would begin with Bradley childbirth coaches, La Leche leaders, INDEPENDENTLY employed childbirth instructors (stay away from those employed by obgyn's), health food store clerks and bulletin boards, chiropractors, midwives (AGAIN, INDEPENDENT), and especially other homeschooling parents. Best, Theresa On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:10 PM, godardam wrote: > Hi Theresa, > > I live in VA and wanted to find out more of what you were sharing > regarding your experience. Although we are not required to vaccinate > children until school (I plan to homeschool as well), the pediatric > doctors require vaccination to participate in their practice which > seems illegal to me, but I was thinking to provide them with our > religious exemption form, or change doctors totally to our family > doctor, who is less strict but still encourages it. > > What are your thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for > my 2 > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot > tomorrow. > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > > out of > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and > religous. > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and > choose > > > the > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, > I'll > > > be > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious > > > reasons? > > > > Thanks! > > > > L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hi : Some of the best advice I received many years ago, after struggling with " medical " choices for my first child, was to use a family doctor, not a pediatrician. When WE were kids, peds were only for specialty issues or for newborns. By the way, many family doctors still do attend births and are much more open minded and exposed to a variety of clients and ideas than peds. One of the family practice doctors here in Ithaca and his wife birthed all 4 of their children at home. While he does vaccinate his kids, he is tremendously respectful of my opinion that vaccines are life long poisons and I would not put them into my children. By the way, I have used his service on a couple of occasions when my kids had accidents and needed to be checked for broken bones (which he did with manipulation, and our chiropractor followed up with tuning forks - no x-rays - you have to be patient and brave, and be very attentive to their symptoms and their mobility and watch them for several days - but I have found that we have only chosen 1 x-ray out of the probably 10 or 12 times my kids have been hurt enough that x-rays were discussed as a diagnostic option). There are more open minded allopaths out there - I have always found them out by talking to La Leche mothers (off the record), other homeschooling parents, as well as the alternative health consultants with whom my family does business (AND DON'T FORGET - THIS IS BUSINESS). I agree with a slightly earlier post regarding " well baby " visits. The ONLY PURPOSE of these visits is to insure that the allopathic system has access to children when parents are more likely to take the kids in for visits. IF YOUR KID IS WELL, WHY DO YOU NEED TO TAKE THEM TO THE DOCTOR???? " Well visits " are a crock. The only time my kids got sick, was when I took them in for a well visit, and they were exposed to the sick kids! AND THIS WAS IN A DOCTOR'S OFFICE THAT HAD SEPARATE ROOMS FOR SICK AND WELL CLIENTS. However, I question the journey to find a " friendly " allopath anyway. When my daughter was 2 1/2, my son was born, the first of 4 subsequent home births, and we stopped using allopathic care altogether, except for the injuries I noted above. We have found ASTOUNDING support from my chiropractor, my homeopath, a great kinesiologist, acupuncturists and naturopaths. For a while, our primary health consultant was a Native American midwife, and I had never before, nor have I since encountered anyone who knew the human body and its healing patterns better. It is overwhelming to parents that we have to know so much to take care of ourselves and our children - that we have to become our own experts - but I feel we have no choice unless we default our responsibilities to our babies to the mindless, heartless, brainwashed allopathic system. And don't be fooled - those guys are more scared than we are - because they think they have no other options. It's tragic. Regarding VA opt out for vaccines - I never had to use my religious exemption there because my kids were out of the schooling system from day one. Here in NY, we have used religious exempt for camps and now colleges. I'm sorry to have diverted so much! Let me address one more part of your note. Your doctor (pediatrician) CANNOT " require " vaccinations. They may choose to refuse to do business with you or provide service to you (which is against the hippocratic oath, but do you really want to associate with them anyway?) If you have a family doctor who encourages vaccines but doesn't hassle you, then why not end your association with the ped? In VA I found such a family doctor, before I worked with the Native American woman. This family doc was older and still made the occasional housecall! I would not provide them with your forms or letters. I would just stop going to their office. If you need your records, then simply write a letter requesting them. They may charge you for photocopying. If you are open to alternative support, try ferreting out folks who will share their lists of good health consultants. I would begin with Bradley childbirth coaches, La Leche leaders, INDEPENDENTLY employed childbirth instructors (stay away from those employed by obgyn's), health food store clerks and bulletin boards, chiropractors, midwives (AGAIN, INDEPENDENT), and especially other homeschooling parents. Best, Theresa On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:10 PM, godardam wrote: > Hi Theresa, > > I live in VA and wanted to find out more of what you were sharing > regarding your experience. Although we are not required to vaccinate > children until school (I plan to homeschool as well), the pediatric > doctors require vaccination to participate in their practice which > seems illegal to me, but I was thinking to provide them with our > religious exemption form, or change doctors totally to our family > doctor, who is less strict but still encourages it. > > What are your thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for > my 2 > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot > tomorrow. > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > > out of > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and > religous. > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and > choose > > > the > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, > I'll > > > be > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious > > > reasons? > > > > Thanks! > > > > L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Do you really want to go to a doctor that is so closed minded that he trumps you as the parent? I wouldn't. Re: religious standings? Hi Theresa,I live in VA and wanted to find out more of what you were sharing regarding your experience. Although we are not required to vaccinate children until school (I plan to homeschool as well), the pediatric doctors require vaccination to participate in their practice which seems illegal to me, but I was thinking to provide them with our religious exemption form, or change doctors totally to our family doctor, who is less strict but still encourages it.What are your thoughts on this?Thanks,> > >> > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for my 2> > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot tomorrow.> > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > out of> > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and religous.> > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the> > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and choose > > the> > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, I'll> > be> > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious> > reasons?> > > Thanks!> > > L.> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I think the worst thing we can do as a group is be condescending to others who don’t understand vaccination problems. We should try to educate but most of us unfortunately learned of the dangers after a reaction. Please don’t condemn just try to educate. All Truth Goes Through Three Stages... 1. It is ridiculed 2. It is violently opposed 3. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be " persecuted " for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be " persicuted " because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this " revolution " and may not be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 sorry-I also wanted to add that before I chose my daughter's doctor, I did much research to make sure he would be ok with me not vaccinating, or delaying vaccines, and he is. The problem we had toay was with the nurse, not the doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a response. That is why mothers milk is so important. Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of knowledge. So why are they given Kirk <wcjslee@...> wrote: I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may not be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a response. That is why mothers milk is so important. Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of knowledge. So why are they given Kirk <wcjslee@...> wrote: I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may not be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a response. That is why mothers milk is so important. Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of knowledge. So why are they given Kirk <wcjslee@...> wrote: I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may not be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a response. That is why mothers milk is so important. Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of knowledge. So why are they given Kirk <wcjslee@...> wrote: I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may not be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 True - and that is also the reason for repeated shots of DPT, in particular. Each shot affords " immunity " for only a little while. The allopaths advocate repeated injections under the assumption that there will be no " unprotected " time if the schedule is followed. Meanwhile, the children receive many more shots than they would need, IF THE SHOTS WERE EFFECTIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Just as a quick aside. We've known several entire families who've had whooping cough go through the entire family - the youngest in these groups was 4 months old. Aside from the misery, all recovered completely with regimens of very high nutrition and lots of rest. This infection affected about 25 people. Eleven of them had received the vaccine according to schedule. Theresa On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > > It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate > under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a > response. That is why mothers milk is so important. > Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of > knowledge. So why are they given > Kirk > > <wcjslee@...> wrote: > I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a > little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want > her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines > she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did > decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the > hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a > Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months > (which I > am sure is fo a good reason!) > I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain > amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't > like to be " persecuted " for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to > not be " persicuted " because I would like to pick and choose the > vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. > I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I > will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is > supposed to recieve because I am new to this " revolution " and may not > be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me > how > I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of > making informed decisions > Thanks so much for the support!!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 True - and that is also the reason for repeated shots of DPT, in particular. Each shot affords " immunity " for only a little while. The allopaths advocate repeated injections under the assumption that there will be no " unprotected " time if the schedule is followed. Meanwhile, the children receive many more shots than they would need, IF THE SHOTS WERE EFFECTIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Just as a quick aside. We've known several entire families who've had whooping cough go through the entire family - the youngest in these groups was 4 months old. Aside from the misery, all recovered completely with regimens of very high nutrition and lots of rest. This infection affected about 25 people. Eleven of them had received the vaccine according to schedule. Theresa On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > > It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate > under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a > response. That is why mothers milk is so important. > Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of > knowledge. So why are they given > Kirk > > <wcjslee@...> wrote: > I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a > little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want > her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines > she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did > decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the > hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a > Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months > (which I > am sure is fo a good reason!) > I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain > amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't > like to be " persecuted " for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to > not be " persicuted " because I would like to pick and choose the > vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. > I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I > will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is > supposed to recieve because I am new to this " revolution " and may not > be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me > how > I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of > making informed decisions > Thanks so much for the support!!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 True - and that is also the reason for repeated shots of DPT, in particular. Each shot affords " immunity " for only a little while. The allopaths advocate repeated injections under the assumption that there will be no " unprotected " time if the schedule is followed. Meanwhile, the children receive many more shots than they would need, IF THE SHOTS WERE EFFECTIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Just as a quick aside. We've known several entire families who've had whooping cough go through the entire family - the youngest in these groups was 4 months old. Aside from the misery, all recovered completely with regimens of very high nutrition and lots of rest. This infection affected about 25 people. Eleven of them had received the vaccine according to schedule. Theresa On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > > It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate > under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a > response. That is why mothers milk is so important. > Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of > knowledge. So why are they given > Kirk > > <wcjslee@...> wrote: > I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a > little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want > her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines > she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did > decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the > hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a > Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months > (which I > am sure is fo a good reason!) > I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain > amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't > like to be " persecuted " for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to > not be " persicuted " because I would like to pick and choose the > vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. > I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I > will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is > supposed to recieve because I am new to this " revolution " and may not > be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me > how > I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of > making informed decisions > Thanks so much for the support!!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 True - and that is also the reason for repeated shots of DPT, in particular. Each shot affords " immunity " for only a little while. The allopaths advocate repeated injections under the assumption that there will be no " unprotected " time if the schedule is followed. Meanwhile, the children receive many more shots than they would need, IF THE SHOTS WERE EFFECTIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Just as a quick aside. We've known several entire families who've had whooping cough go through the entire family - the youngest in these groups was 4 months old. Aside from the misery, all recovered completely with regimens of very high nutrition and lots of rest. This infection affected about 25 people. Eleven of them had received the vaccine according to schedule. Theresa On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > > It is pointless (according to the medical texts) to innoculate > under 6 months as the immature immune system cannot form a > response. That is why mothers milk is so important. > Hospital innoculations dont jibe with the established body of > knowledge. So why are they given > Kirk > > <wcjslee@...> wrote: > I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a > little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want > her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines > she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did > decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the > hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a > Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months > (which I > am sure is fo a good reason!) > I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain > amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't > like to be " persecuted " for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to > not be " persicuted " because I would like to pick and choose the > vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. > I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I > will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is > supposed to recieve because I am new to this " revolution " and may not > be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me > how > I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of > making informed decisions > Thanks so much for the support!!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 good thinking...i can really appreciate where you're coming from...letaOn Jun 9, 2551 BE, at 7:41 PM, wrote:I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may notbe as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 good thinking...i can really appreciate where you're coming from...letaOn Jun 9, 2551 BE, at 7:41 PM, wrote:I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may notbe as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 good thinking...i can really appreciate where you're coming from...letaOn Jun 9, 2551 BE, at 7:41 PM, wrote:I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may notbe as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 good thinking...i can really appreciate where you're coming from...letaOn Jun 9, 2551 BE, at 7:41 PM, wrote:I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may notbe as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 That's too bad. I'm sorry. I think the doctor has more responsibility than the nurse, why don't they at least administer the vaccines themselves! I don't know the damage that can be done, but I do know that my husband has documented hearing loss from his first two Hep B shots. I'm not getting on you, I'm just telling you. He was waived from his third. I hope your little girl is doing well. Sorry to hear this. Re: religious standings? I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may not be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 That's too bad. I'm sorry. I think the doctor has more responsibility than the nurse, why don't they at least administer the vaccines themselves! I don't know the damage that can be done, but I do know that my husband has documented hearing loss from his first two Hep B shots. I'm not getting on you, I'm just telling you. He was waived from his third. I hope your little girl is doing well. Sorry to hear this. Re: religious standings? I just wanted to thank all of you for the help, although it was a little late. I did go to her appt, but told the doctor I did not want her vaccinated untill I had learned a little more about the vaccines she was getting. Unfortunantly, (this makes me want to cry) I did decide to continue with her Hep B vaccines (she recieved 1 in the hospital) however an incompetent nurse gave my darling 2 month old a Hep A shot, which is not approved for children under 12 months (which I am sure is fo a good reason!) I do want to say one thing: I am sure all of you expect a certain amount of respect for your decision to NOT vaccinate at all, and don't like to be "persecuted" for your decisions. Like wise, I would like to not be "persicuted" because I would like to pick and choose the vaccines my child recieves or doesn't recieve. I have a 3 year old the recieved all of her vaccines untill now, but I will not be giving her certain boosters or othe vaccines she is supposed to recieve because I am new to this "revolution" and may not be as knowledgable as some of you. So please, instead of telling me how I should do things, just pass along the info! I am very capable of making informed decisions :)Thanks so much for the support!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Theresa, That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs and homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when something is wrong. The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food. I don't want to digress, just thank you again. > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for > > my 2 > > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot > > tomorrow. > > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > > > out of > > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and > > religous. > > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the > > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and > > choose > > > > the > > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, > > I'll > > > > be > > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious > > > > reasons? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Theresa, That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs and homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when something is wrong. The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food. I don't want to digress, just thank you again. > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for > > my 2 > > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot > > tomorrow. > > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > > > out of > > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and > > religous. > > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the > > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and > > choose > > > > the > > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, > > I'll > > > > be > > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious > > > > reasons? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Theresa, That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs and homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when something is wrong. The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food. I don't want to digress, just thank you again. > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for > > my 2 > > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot > > tomorrow. > > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > > > out of > > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and > > religous. > > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the > > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and > > choose > > > > the > > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, > > I'll > > > > be > > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious > > > > reasons? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Theresa, That was so refreshing and encouraging, so thank you very much! I guess sometimes we feel so isolated and cornered into this crap system that we feel we have no other choice. I did find in the phonebook a naturopath and I am going to go to the next LaLeche meeting especially since I am going to tandem/extended nursing with a newborn coming. I just hate giving birth in the hospital but we really didn't start planning for homebirth and I think it would be too late (a month to go) to change. But my docs are open to herbs and homeopathy and gave me a little, wink stating they couldn't stop me from using what I wanted as far as herbs, etc. Thanks again for sharing your experience...you know it reminds me of the day we were discharged from the hospital with our first child, the nurse said that the last piece of information was this: " you are going to have to defend your child from the medical world " ...and a few days later we were in the children's hopsital drawing blood from a 5 day old because of a metabolic disease. If only she didn't have that...we would not have to ever see allopathic docs because like you, I think well-baby visits are stupid and pointless. It is really as though they don't think we are capable of knowing our children, knowing when something is wrong. The really scary part is that I just read something that our medical communities are now shifting from preventive medicine to predictive medicine based on DNA analysis. Yeah, great...like some weird movies such as Gatica...just unbelievable like pharma food. I don't want to digress, just thank you again. > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing some research on opting out of vaccines for > > my 2 > > > > > month old daughter, who is schedualed to get the DTaP shot > > tomorrow. > > > > > From what I can find out, NC law does not allow parents to opt > > > > out of > > > > > vaccines based on philisophocal reasons, only medical and > > religous. > > > > > I don't want her to get the Diptheria or Tiphiod shot, onlt the > > > > > Pertussis shot. (I don't want the cocktail). If I pick and > > choose > > > > the > > > > > vaccines she gets, will I still be able to-well let's face it, > > I'll > > > > be > > > > > lying-to the school system about opting out based on religious > > > > reasons? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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