Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 In a message dated 1/30/05 7:29:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > School Systems. It is much cheaper for schools to > have parents medicate their children than provide appropriate education for > them. That way schools don't have to provide smaller classes with fewer > changes during the day. The only entities that benefit from the dx'ing and doping of kids for ADD are the pharmaceutical companies and the school system. The schools receive $500 a kid for each one dx'd with some kind of ADD/ADHA. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 In a message dated 1/30/05 7:29:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > School Systems. It is much cheaper for schools to > have parents medicate their children than provide appropriate education for > them. That way schools don't have to provide smaller classes with fewer > changes during the day. The only entities that benefit from the dx'ing and doping of kids for ADD are the pharmaceutical companies and the school system. The schools receive $500 a kid for each one dx'd with some kind of ADD/ADHA. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Sorry, I don't understand that. Effectively it saves a district money if they don't provide services(and saves much more than $500.) and the child is medicated, ie just is quiet in class wether they are learning or not, but I don't understand how you say they get an actual payment for medicating a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Sorry, I don't understand that. Effectively it saves a district money if they don't provide services(and saves much more than $500.) and the child is medicated, ie just is quiet in class wether they are learning or not, but I don't understand how you say they get an actual payment for medicating a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 > The schools receive $500 > a kid for each one dx'd with some kind of ADD/ADHA. What?? That's ridulous. Link, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Under what auspices does the federal government fund children on Ritalin??? And it is illegal for a teacher to distribute any medication. Ritalin must be administered by a registered nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Under what auspices does the federal government fund children on Ritalin??? And it is illegal for a teacher to distribute any medication. Ritalin must be administered by a registered nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Right, funding is provided for kids served. ie in resource programs, self-contained classes. Kids aren't funded just because they are on medication. It would actually get them less funding if they are medicated and not served. It has been illegal, and still is illegal for a teacher to dispense any prescription medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Special Ed does not mean just below level, but all exceptionalities. Actually in some states the gifted category is included with exceptional children. Neurologic impairments and other specific learning disabilities are very much part of exceptional children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Special Ed does not mean just below level, but all exceptionalities. Actually in some states the gifted category is included with exceptional children. Neurologic impairments and other specific learning disabilities are very much part of exceptional children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Identified kids in regular classes, with no resource or other services (such as PT, or OT) are not funded under IDEA, and probably no longer are identified under IDEA. Instead they may have accommodation under section 504 of the Rehabilitation act. This carries no funding, but assures their right to having their disability accommodated, and their right to participate in all activities for which they would be otherwise qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 She needs to file a police report for the missing pills. That is serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 I would tell your friend to call the state health department. A teacher may not dispense any prescription medication, much less schedule'd drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Technically a school without a nurse, cannot dispense scheduled drugs. There are no exceptions. They are then required to have a traveling nurse come to the school during the day just to administer. Some kids do take time released versions that make it a much easier thing to deal with at school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 What I do know that has happened is that school counselors will have a doc that they will call and recommend the child be medicated. Then persuade the parent to see the doc. This is not appropriate. If the doc mails the prescription it is not legal. They must be filled the day they are written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Schools want kids medicated as opposed to identified and served because even though there is a small stipend for serving them, it nowhere takes care of the cost of actually serving them. It is also more difficult to identify a kid who is only showing hyper and disruptive behavior, not with specific learning disabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 You can request all you want, but the reality is that it is can be difficult to meet eligibility criteria for identification. There is a yo yo effect of identification, being served, they do better, then no longer meet criteria. Then at the 3 year reeval. they are out. So it is good to have 504 protection, especially in high school and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 The school district in Rancho Cordova, CA, gets $873 in federal funds for every child on ritalin. The kids line up at school and get dosed. Teachers hand it out. Starris ----- Original Message ----- From: Forvr22@... Sorry, I don't understand that. Effectively it saves a district money if they don't provide services(and saves much more than $500.) and the child is medicated, ie just is quiet in class wether they are learning or not, but I don't understand how you say they get an actual payment for medicating a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 The school district in Rancho Cordova, CA, gets $873 in federal funds for every child on ritalin. The kids line up at school and get dosed. Teachers hand it out. Starris ----- Original Message ----- From: Forvr22@... Sorry, I don't understand that. Effectively it saves a district money if they don't provide services(and saves much more than $500.) and the child is medicated, ie just is quiet in class wether they are learning or not, but I don't understand how you say they get an actual payment for medicating a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Children with ADHD along with many other disabilities, are covered under IDEA. Most people call them " special ed " . There is additional funding provided for special ed students regardless of the diagnosis....or the medication they are taking. Many of these children receive services that cost the districts far more than they are reimbursed. Further, President Bush just signed an ammendment to IDEA which prohibits schools from requiring children to take stimulants as a condition of their being allowed to attend school. > The school district in Rancho Cordova, CA, gets $873 in federal funds for every child on ritalin. The kids line up at school and get dosed. Teachers hand it out. > > Starris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Forvr22@a... > Sorry, I don't understand that. Effectively it saves a district money > if they don't provide services(and saves much more than $500.) and the child > is medicated, ie just is quiet in class wether they are learning or not, but I > don't understand how you say they get an actual payment for medicating a > child. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Children with ADHD along with many other disabilities, are covered under IDEA. Most people call them " special ed " . There is additional funding provided for special ed students regardless of the diagnosis....or the medication they are taking. Many of these children receive services that cost the districts far more than they are reimbursed. Further, President Bush just signed an ammendment to IDEA which prohibits schools from requiring children to take stimulants as a condition of their being allowed to attend school. > The school district in Rancho Cordova, CA, gets $873 in federal funds for every child on ritalin. The kids line up at school and get dosed. Teachers hand it out. > > Starris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Forvr22@a... > Sorry, I don't understand that. Effectively it saves a district money > if they don't provide services(and saves much more than $500.) and the child > is medicated, ie just is quiet in class wether they are learning or not, but I > don't understand how you say they get an actual payment for medicating a > child. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Hi Sara, Here you go, Federal money is pulled down for special needs kids and since many kids will act up when they are not learning a simple label of ADHD, easy to get, sucks down the federal funds. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/schools/feds.html > The schools receive $500 > a kid for each one dx'd with some kind of ADD/ADHA. What?? That's ridulous. Link, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Hi Sara, Here you go, Federal money is pulled down for special needs kids and since many kids will act up when they are not learning a simple label of ADHD, easy to get, sucks down the federal funds. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/schools/feds.html > The schools receive $500 > a kid for each one dx'd with some kind of ADD/ADHA. What?? That's ridulous. Link, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 The school nurse doles it out but in many states a teacher used to be able to label a child and then if the parents didn't comply, call the state to take the child along with siblings. A law just passed preventing that for stimulant drugs but the new Strattera is a failed SSRI gone ADHD med, it actually is not covered by the law. Jim Under what auspices does the federal government fund children on Ritalin??? And it is illegal for a teacher to distribute any medication. Ritalin must be administered by a registered nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 The school nurse doles it out but in many states a teacher used to be able to label a child and then if the parents didn't comply, call the state to take the child along with siblings. A law just passed preventing that for stimulant drugs but the new Strattera is a failed SSRI gone ADHD med, it actually is not covered by the law. Jim Under what auspices does the federal government fund children on Ritalin??? And it is illegal for a teacher to distribute any medication. Ritalin must be administered by a registered nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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