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Hi Tim,

Smile, you can kiss her all you want. The risk

factor of a monogamous couple is pretty low. Good

Luck to you and her...Take Care, Connie

--- Tsp699@... wrote:

> Hello!

> A quick question. I just finished a year on the

> meds. don't know if it took

> or not yet, but my wife who also has hep c hasn't

> got on them yet.

> We do practice safe sex but what about kissing?

> Should I not kiss her until she is done taking the

> med.?

>

>

> thanks for

> any help

>

>

> Tim

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tim,

Smile, you can kiss her all you want. The risk

factor of a monogamous couple is pretty low. Good

Luck to you and her...Take Care, Connie

--- Tsp699@... wrote:

> Hello!

> A quick question. I just finished a year on the

> meds. don't know if it took

> or not yet, but my wife who also has hep c hasn't

> got on them yet.

> We do practice safe sex but what about kissing?

> Should I not kiss her until she is done taking the

> med.?

>

>

> thanks for

> any help

>

>

> Tim

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tim,

There is no real evidence that HCV is passed

sexually, and not by kissing either. HCV is passed in

BLOOD. So in order for HCV to be passed during sex

both partners would have to have some sort of open

wound. I've been married 12 years, my husband is

negative for HCV, and we have NEVER used any

protection. I imagine you are going to hear a lot of

the same. Even in couples who both have HCV it is

surprising how often it is found that they have

different genotypes, which means that they did NOT get

it from each other. I'll post some info on this, I

guess it's been a while since this came up!

Take care, and congratulations on finishing treatment!

Hopefully, it was successful.

Claudine

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tim,

There is no real evidence that HCV is passed

sexually, and not by kissing either. HCV is passed in

BLOOD. So in order for HCV to be passed during sex

both partners would have to have some sort of open

wound. I've been married 12 years, my husband is

negative for HCV, and we have NEVER used any

protection. I imagine you are going to hear a lot of

the same. Even in couples who both have HCV it is

surprising how often it is found that they have

different genotypes, which means that they did NOT get

it from each other. I'll post some info on this, I

guess it's been a while since this came up!

Take care, and congratulations on finishing treatment!

Hopefully, it was successful.

Claudine

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/1/01 1:24:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

claudineintexas@... writes:

> Hi Tim,

> There is no real evidence that HCV is passed

> sexually, and not by kissing either. HCV is passed in

> BLOOD. So in order for HCV to be passed during sex

> both partners would have to have some sort of open

> wound. I've been married 12 years, my husband is

> negative for HCV, and we have NEVER used any

> protection. I imagine you are going to hear a lot of

> the same. Even in couples who both have HCV it is

> surprising how often it is found that they have

> different genotypes, which means that they did NOT get

> it from each other. I'll post some info on this, I

> guess it's been a while since this came up!

> Take care, and congratulations on finishing treatment!

> Hopefully, it was successful.

> Claudine

Same here Tom:

I've been married for 21 years, I've had HCV for 30+ years, and my wife

is HCV negative.

Take care,

Les

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/1/01 1:24:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

claudineintexas@... writes:

> Hi Tim,

> There is no real evidence that HCV is passed

> sexually, and not by kissing either. HCV is passed in

> BLOOD. So in order for HCV to be passed during sex

> both partners would have to have some sort of open

> wound. I've been married 12 years, my husband is

> negative for HCV, and we have NEVER used any

> protection. I imagine you are going to hear a lot of

> the same. Even in couples who both have HCV it is

> surprising how often it is found that they have

> different genotypes, which means that they did NOT get

> it from each other. I'll post some info on this, I

> guess it's been a while since this came up!

> Take care, and congratulations on finishing treatment!

> Hopefully, it was successful.

> Claudine

Same here Tom:

I've been married for 21 years, I've had HCV for 30+ years, and my wife

is HCV negative.

Take care,

Les

>

>

>

>

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thanx a bunch connie( :

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thanx a bunch connie( :

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thanx a bunch connie( :

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thanx a bunch connie( :

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thanx allypat!

good luck

[Guest guest]

thanx allypat!

good luck

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thanx allypat!

good luck

[Guest guest]

thanx allypat!

good luck

[Guest guest]

thanx claudine

tim

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Virginia,

Thank you for the Mother's Day wish. A BIG hug and wish for you to enjoy

Mother's Day is sent back to you.

fondly in motherhood,

Lora

[Guest guest]

Virginia,

Thank you for the Mother's Day wish. A BIG hug and wish for you to enjoy

Mother's Day is sent back to you.

fondly in motherhood,

Lora

[Guest guest]

Yea wanna go to chat???

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is anyone here?

[Guest guest]

I'm here - kind of quiet today ----- except for the " missing lemons " of

course!

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> is anyone here?

>

>

>

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> is anyone here?

>

>

Nope

[Guest guest]

Sorry if this produces any duplicate posts, but I have been trying to send

this for a few mins and it isn't going through:

B

[Guest guest]

So the holistic model would be to have them more active with outside play,

field trips etc?

If I wanted out of conventional allopathic meds, the avenue I would look to

is Homeopathic medicines that enhance what our bodies already make and

create shifts in what may be a chemically imbalance. The argument for

Homeopathy is this: Allopathic medicines suppress what the perceived cause

is in our system=the symptoms. While Homeopathic acts as a catalyst for our

immune system to eliminate or modify what may be an imbalance.

No doubt more physical and mental stimulation come into play. While

research for an experienced Homeopathic practitioner may take a little time

and effort, there are positives to this effort, in the financial arena as

well as the " addictive " consequences.

To put it more simply, no one has ever died from using Homeopathic means and

it may prove to help. Without going overboard into a discussion on insurance

and true cost, what have you got to lose? It would be interesting to hear if

anyone has gone to a Homeopath and what their results were.

One more quick side note: there are two main kinds of Homeopathy, classical

and modern. Classical using one " drug " at a time while modern combines meds

to hit on a few areas at once.

> The medical model looks as mental disorders as being caused by

> physical factors: i.e., low serotonin levels, dopamine levels, which can be

> caused by a long period of depression or be causes for depression

> themselves... If someone had cancer or any other type of physical disorder, a

> MD would treat them medically which usually involves medication b/c most

> doctor's haven't caught on to the holistic model yet.

... It seems as if children don't

> play outside anymore- no fresh air- a lack of physical activity itself can

> put the body in a depressive state- I know since I started an exercise

> routine, my moods as well as my body have improved greatly.. Children are

> being diagnosed w/ Type II diabetes previously unheard of!!! In other words

> our children are becoming, fat, lazy and overmedicated. This is an epidemic

> and it seems to be overlooked by the vast majority of people. Kids need to

> get outside and run and play, read books, visit museums, eat dinner with

> their families, etc...

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In a message dated 8/4/01 10:17:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Pequena114@... writes:

<< Not to get started on another topic like this, but when I was in college a

professor of mine referred to the curriculum for education majors as the

" intellectual slums " In other words, the curriculum is so easy that alot of

people major in education because it is so easy! What does that tell you?

I'll be honest with you. I haven't met a whole lot of intellectual K-12

teachers except a few of my high school teachers, and I think that's because

I was fortunate enough to go to private school where there is a far greater

emphasis on education.

The numbers back you up- I know at one of our local universities, education

majors graduate with an " A " average. Sorry, but something is not quite right

with that.

I don't mean to offend any teachers on this list and I don't mean

to

generalize. There are always exceptions to this rule. My sister was an EL

ED major and some of the " homework " she had been assigned amazed me. I

don't see why anyone would even need to study. I would have had a lot more

fun that I already did if I would have majored in EL ED.

I'm not trying to make light of this subject. I'm trying to say that

this is a serious issue. We have teachers teaching are kids who don't even

understand the concept of critical thinking who have to " go by the book " so

to speak. Public school teachers are not given enough freedom to use what

creativity they have. Our whole educational system needs to be overhauled

and it needs to begin on the collegiate level where we toughen the standards

it takes to make a teacher. If this is done, I'm afraid no one would become

a teacher b/c they are so underpaid, but then again maybe if we put more

value in Education our teachers would not be so underpaid.

I agree 100 percent, but this is, alas, easier said than done, for

several reasons.

First, the United States, thorughout it's long history, has NEVER valued

education. Before you write to object, follow me for a minute- in the

colonial days through the early 1900s, schooling was very limited. If a child

was poor, or lived on a farm, he or she was educated if the child could read

the Bible, count, and do simple arithmatic. Chances are, education stopped at

the sixth-grade level for such children. Many children did not get a formal

education past a certain point, and instead were apprenticed, worked on the

family farm or, during the Industrial Revolution, joined the hundreds of

thousands of that made up the child labor force. Only the upper middle class

could afford anything beyond the bare bones basics- and most of those

children were sent off to a boarding school (so the concept of parents

working with the teachers and schools is actually a fairly new concept as

well). You need only to look at the graduation roles from high schools at

this time. I was looking at a local history book, and in the early 1900s,

there often were less than 5 students in a high school graduating class- if

there were any at all.

This really did not change until after World War II - most of our school

buildings (at least in Northeast Ohio) were built between the 1940s and

1960s. This era produced what we commonly think of as the " educational

ideal, " where schooling was compulsory, and considered important. Of course,

this did not apply if you were of a " minority " race, were disabled, or

considered unteachable. I'm curious about the dropout rates then. Yes,

education standards were stricter then, but I wouldn't be the least bit

suprised to find that the dropout rate was at least 20-30 percent. But no one

cared, because good jobs were available then that didn't require a high

school degree. Couldn't get through school? No problem- find a job in the

rubber or steel factory (or something akin), make a decent wage, get married,

buy a home, and you could still live the American Dream.

The changes to education (or as some put it, the " dumbing down " and

" disintergration " of our schools), I believe, came about due to four reasons:

the combined effect of the 1. Vietnam War and 2. Watergate instilled a huge

generation gap and distrust that was never fully mended.

3. The industrial jobs started disappearing. With the loss of these jobs,

people began to realise that to live " THe American Dream, " they had to

graduate from high school and even college to begin to hope to attain it.

Unfortunately, while the times have changed, people haven't, and our

education system ahs changed little. You will ALWAYS have students who are

just not cut out to be scholars, but that's a soapbox topic for another day.

4. The technology boom, with computers and high-tech equipment entering our

lives and our classrooms. How often have you heard " Geez, I didn't need this

high-fangeld stuff when I was going to school? " While the technological

advances are commendable, it has created a rift in the fragile tie between

the teachers who do use these " newfangeld methods, " and the parents who may

not comprehend it. I have lost track fo the number of times I've heard " Gee,

we didn;t learn this in Kindergarten, " or " I can't help my child with his/her

homework anymore because I don't understand it myself. "

A fifth reason (and I'm bracing myself for a backlash here) is the ADA. I

think this has been a double-edged sword. Don't get me wrong- without the

ADA, I wouldn't have had an opportunity to go to a public school. I'm sure

there are millions who can speak for this. HOWEVER (and this goes back to the

point I made earlier) not all students are going to be able to function in a

normal school setting. I think we've taken mainstreaming to the extreme,

placing pupils in regular classrooms who should be in a more specialized

setting with 20+ other students and a teacher ill-equipped for the challenge.

My aunt is a teacher, and I've heard some real horror stories about children

in her class that...well, shouldn't have been there. The worst thing about

it, is that such an arrangement benefits no one- not the pupil, not the

teacher, and not the other students. I believe in mainstraming when its

possible, but we ahve to face the reality that it's not always going to be

feasible.

The second problem is the position of the teacher in history. In the

colonial/frontier days, most teachers were single women, who were required to

give up their jobs once they married. Up until the present day (basically,

after WW II), women could not ordinarily obtain a job outside of secretarial

work, nursing or....teaching. All of them were traditionally low-paying jobs.

It doesn't help the teachers in the public's eye either with school being out

for three months of the year- a " three month vacation. " That, BTW, is not

necessarily true anymore. MOst teachers fill their summer with workshops and

getting re-certified.

To create a good, solid school system, we will pretty much have to start from

scratch. We certainly can't rely on history to help us.

April

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That was wonderful April. I agree with what you've said here. About

the ADA, That's something I can get into another day! ) I won't

bore you with my long emails today

I could easialy envision what it could have been like with your post

here. Of course a of this my father had told me...considering he's 67

years old, he knows what it was like back then. He's a person who is

an LP, and his father didn't want him to go to public school. He was

afraid my father would be harrassed and worse, hurt. Remeber this was

back in the 40's where people with disabilites were as April has put

it " Unedcuationable " He talked his father into going to school. And

he's graduated High SChool, with flying colors, went to college, and

had done a whole lot in his life. But he told me it wasn't easy for

him. But he was fortunate that he wasn't harrassed as his father had

feared. He also lived on a family farm back then, and he went to a

one room class room. He lived in a small town, his family was the

first in this area to have indoor plumbing.

That was a very facinating post April!

Thank you!

)

a

> >

> To create a good, solid school system, we will pretty much have to

start from

> scratch. We certainly can't rely on history to help us.

> April

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Do you have an email address for her?

aW

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Listed below is a copy of the email from Barbara the New Jersey preop.

Hopefully it will tell you more about her. I hope some of you can be helpful

to her. I remember how lonely it was when I started the preop process.

Janice

Subj: Re: MGB - Janice's Info

Date: 8/7/2001 9:45:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: AntiBabbs

Appraiseca

Dear Janice,

I really appreciate your information on the surgery. I'm about your

pre-surgery weight (OK, I'm probably around 304, last I checked...!) and I'm

42 years old. I live in New Jersey, where supposedly there is a hospital

about half an hr from here which has excellent bariatric surgeons. Since I'm

only just starting to think about making the appointment at the medical

center, this GBP is still in the very first stages.

I'm worried because all I ever hear from my husband, my friends, my family,

are horror stories about GBP. My only support so far has been my internist,

who has written me a referral to the doctor in New Brunswick (Rob. Wood

Medical Center). Everyone else thinks I'm crazy, that it's better to

be fat and healthy than thin and dead, that I should be able to just " diet

off " these excess 150 lb. Sure I could diet em off...I dieted every single

one of these lb. ON, every time I went off a diet, etc. You know what I'm

talking about. Atkins, Weight Watchers, Overeaters Anonymous, protein, blah

blah BLAH.

Your letter was really really encouraging, Janice. Thank you so much for

writing to me. I can't believe that someday I will really only eat half a

hot dog and feel stuffed!

I'm 43 and I'm sick and tired of being on a diet, or overweight. I hate

having to buy g bigger clothes every time I put on weight. It adds up, even

though I'm the Queen of Cheap and a Champion Shopper. I really really

recommend eValueville on ebay, they have great clothes, and usually I shop at

the Goodwill instead of the Walmart because it's better stuff at better

prices. I have four kids in school who need shoes and food and Nintendo

games so there isn't a lot of extra cash lying around in piles in my house.

God Bless you!

Barbara

PS I'd love to talk with you on the phone someday, but for right now, you

already feel like a friend!