Questions

[Guest guest]

<<Okay, how many of you have been cured? How are you defining that

cure?

Has your cure been proven by medical tests and if so what tests?>>

Gentry is absolutely

right, Bill. My question to you is... Cured of what? Cured of HIV? It's very

hard to prove that you're cured of HIV with medical tests when there's no actual

medical test that has proven of HIV's existance. You may want to go and

research

these sites before you ask your next questions. Hopefully, you will get a

better

understanding of where most of us are coming from.

[http://www.aliveandwell.org]www.aliveandwell.org

[http://www.aidsrc.org]www.aidsrc.org

[http://www.duesberg.com]www.duesberg.com

[http://www.virusmyth.com]www.virusmyth.com Good luck! Caer

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your answer to my question.

Now I have another...

How could you be HIV positive for 50 years?

Re: Questions

In a message dated 11/18/03 11:24:38 PM, bill.wray@... writes:

> Okay, how many of you have been cured? How are you defining that

> cure?

> Has your cure been proven by medical tests and if so what tests?

>

>

I'm cured. Cured is when you resume (or continue) a normal, healthy life

with no doctors, no tests, no bullshit, and no fear of a virus.

I believe it is currently against the law to claim you are cured of hiv/aids,

as, by definition, AIDS is incurable. If you test negative after being

listed as positive you are told that the test is for antibodies and now your

immune system is to weak to make them, or else you can be told you never

really had

AIDS, it was a misdiagnosis. (All HIV and AIDS diagnoses are misdiagnoses

is you examine the evidence with scientific scrutiny.) Or else, " IT was a

MIRACLE! "

If you are waiting for a medical approved and documented cure for AIDS to be

announced, you will probably die waiting.

Ed

HIV+ for 50 years. No doctors. No treatments. No problems.

[Guest guest]

The earliest source of testing positive, from what I read of the Perth Group

findings, was an experimental polio vaccine -- a " live attenuated virus "

vaccine, made with African monkey blood products -- similar to the experimental

hepatitis B vaccine given to gay men in the 5 cities where AIDS emerged. I had

both -- the first when I in the fourth grade, in 1954. Technically I would

say I am " probably " positive since 1954, but in AIDSspeak one drops the word

" probable. "

Those two vaccines were my biggest risk factors.

Ed

In a message dated 11/21/03 5:46:09 PM, bill.wray@... writes:

> Thank you for your answer to my question.

> Now I have another...

> How could you be HIV positive for 50 years?

>   Re: Questions

>

>

>

>   In a message dated 11/18/03 11:24:38 PM, bill.wray@...

> writes:

>

>

>   > Okay, how many of you have been cured? How are you defining that

>   > cure?

>   > Has your cure been proven by medical tests and if so what tests?

>   >

>   >

>

>

>   I'm cured.   Cured is when you resume (or continue) a normal, healthy life

>   with no doctors, no tests, no bullshit, and no fear of a virus.

>

>   I believe it is currently against the law to claim you are cured of

> hiv/aids,

>   as, by definition, AIDS is incurable.   If you test negative after being

>   listed as positive you are told that the test is for antibodies and now

> your

>   immune system is to weak to make them, or else you can be told you never

> really had

>   AIDS, it was a misdiagnosis.   (All HIV and AIDS diagnoses are

> misdiagnoses

>   is you examine the evidence with scientific scrutiny.)   Or else, " IT was

> a

>   MIRACLE! "

>

>   If you are waiting for a medical approved and documented cure for AIDS to

> be

>   announced, you will probably die waiting.

>

>   Ed

>   HIV+ for 50 years.   No doctors.   No treatments.   No problems.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

bill -

it's really very simple - hiv has never been proven to even exist. look at all

the facts - not just the ones the medical/pharma folks want you to see and

believe in. you cannot change your point of view until your willing to question

the current dogma.

gentry

Bill Wray <bill.wray@...> wrote:

Thank you for your answer to my question.

Now I have another...

How could you be HIV positive for 50 years?

Re: Questions

In a message dated 11/18/03 11:24:38 PM, bill.wray@... writes:

> Okay, how many of you have been cured? How are you defining that

> cure?

> Has your cure been proven by medical tests and if so what tests?

>

>

I'm cured. Cured is when you resume (or continue) a normal, healthy life

with no doctors, no tests, no bullshit, and no fear of a virus.

I believe it is currently against the law to claim you are cured of hiv/aids,

as, by definition, AIDS is incurable. If you test negative after being

listed as positive you are told that the test is for antibodies and now your

immune system is to weak to make them, or else you can be told you never really

had

AIDS, it was a misdiagnosis. (All HIV and AIDS diagnoses are misdiagnoses

is you examine the evidence with scientific scrutiny.) Or else, " IT was a

MIRACLE! "

If you are waiting for a medical approved and documented cure for AIDS to be

announced, you will probably die waiting.

Ed

HIV+ for 50 years. No doctors. No treatments. No problems.

[Guest guest]

i understand that it is our nature to want to believe that a devastating

problem is not real or has a simple answer. not simple and pretending

never helped anyone.

i dont want to be thinking or feeling what i do at this moment, but i

cannot ignore my feelings or what i see going on. i have to speak out.

aids is not real?!

i wont do this conversation much longer, it is eating my lunch. but my

heart is in it and just for a moment, i want to talk about it. i have to

if my tears will cease. i can never express how many people i have loved

and watch die from hiv. i will never be the same person. so many trips to

the hostpital with so many people, they are all gone. i so often wish it

had been me instead. better people are gone.

they did not just die easy and go away, they touched me first and i will

never be the same. they did not deny thier illness and they only asked me

to be by thier side in such simple ways, such as a ride or be near. or

talk. we need to talk.

in 1991, i started losing many friends. many friends. it started so

early. when they were dieing, i was still denying that this affected me.

imagine my surprise and the guilt that i have lived with since 91. i

caused harm, because i denied that this was my problem or that i could

possibly be a risk to the well being of someone else. the goodbyes, the

sorrow, i could never explain. i can never overcome the many people i

have walked beside to thier death. thier dieing was not the worse part.

it was thier struggle to live that damaged me so badly. i remember

playing cards with a friend the day before he died. we both knew he was

dieing. his love was so everlasting. instead of talking of his

sufferring, he made jokes about me cheating by looking at the reflection

in his glasses. never, in my life have i met better people than those who

have had to combat disease that was overcoming them. my father had

cancer. two weeks before he died, he begged me to be the best son and

smother him so that he would suffer no more. it still kills me to

remember this. how do you kill your father? i could not. i filled him so

full of morphine that finally his tired worn out body just shut down.

finally, it ended.

my father lived with cancer for several years when his original diagnosis

was only a few months. he lived a long time, because he had a fighting

spirit and because he faced his illness honestly and was willing to be

treated and fight.

i dont pretend to know everything. i have seen a few people survive for a

long time without the medicines. i do believe in the power of the mind

and heart. i also believe that when a virus or bacteria is living in our

bodies, not the normal stuff, but the ones that make us ill, we should do

whatever it takes to send them packing.

when someone comes along and says that aids is not real, i get very

upset. i have seen the loss of too many lives from hiv. yes, i said hiv.

and yes, i believe that hiv causes aids. i have lived a long time with

this thing and seen too much to fall into the denial trap. if you

disagree , fine. dont ruin someones life by giving them false beliefs and

hopes. in the beginning i watched so many people sell out thier very

lives standing by what thier friends believed and said. i was one of

them.

as for me. i dont give a shit if my life is long or short. i want to live

well and i want to be a caring part of others. i wont lie to anyone about

anything. i would tell anyone anything they ask of me. it is my nature.

and somewhere in all of my experiences i have truly come to believe that

by opening myself to others is my greatest gain, and that there will be a

few who will find great value in being close to me. those who choose to

go away do so for thier own reasons. those who accept and stay near to me

are those i have searched for all of my life.

if you tell someone that they dont have a problem, be certain for thier

sake.

if you tell someone that thier disease is not real, think about what

following your advice might cost them. hope and believe as you wish or

need to, but alway keep in mind that your hopes and desires cannot save

the world. be kind.

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Some questions for you:

Have you been labelled with HIV or AIDS? Are you getting medical

" treatment " for this?

What are you doing in this group?

This group is for people who have seen through the scam (lies, hoax, fraud,

propaganda, genocide) and have taken control of their own health and are over

(or getting over) HIV/AIDS. If you are questioning the HIV theory, there are

plenty of groups you can join. Try: http://groups.msn.com/aidsmythexposed.

You might want to read some of the thousands of posts there before you write

anything. Also, read the personal comments of hundreds of the people who

write to Aliveandwell.org.

AIDSCURED is not for people who cling to the deadly, archaic medical

mythology that controls most of the western world with FEAR (False Evidence

Appearing Real) and toxic treatments. If you're afraid of viruses, make love

in fear

(if at all), and believe mutililation, burning and poisoning are going to

somehow make you healthy, you are considered " normal " by today's standards, but

you are in the wrong room here.

Your sick, diseased view of health will only bring sickness, suffering and

sadness to you and those of your ilk -- as evidenced by what you've shared with

us. We've seen it all before. Been there. Done that. Over it.

If anything here is making you angry, good! Maybe you are getting the

message.

In a message dated 11/23/03 7:34:48 PM, danaivanbradshaw@... writes:

> i understand that it is our nature to want to believe that a devastating

> problem is not real or has a simple answer. not simple and pretending

> never helped anyone.

>

> i dont want to be thinking or feeling what i do at this moment, but i

> cannot ignore my feelings or what i see going on. i have to speak out.

> aids is not real?!

>

> i wont do this conversation much longer, it is eating my lunch. but my

> heart is in it and just for a moment, i want to talk about it. i have to

> if my tears will cease. i can never express how many people i have loved

> and watch die from hiv. i will never be the same person. so many trips to

> the hostpital with so many people, they are all gone. i so often wish it

> had been me instead. better people are gone.

> they did not just die easy and go away, they touched me first and i will

> never be the same. they did not deny thier illness and they only asked me

> to be by thier side in such simple ways, such as a ride or be near. or

> talk. we need  to talk.

> in 1991, i started losing many friends. many friends. it started so

> early. when they were dieing, i was still denying that this affected me.

> imagine my surprise and the guilt that i  have lived with since 91. i

> caused harm, because i denied that this was my problem or that i could

> possibly be a risk to the well being of someone else. the goodbyes, the

> sorrow, i could never explain. i can never overcome the many people i

> have walked beside to thier death. thier dieing was not the worse part.

> it was thier struggle to live that damaged me so badly. i remember

> playing cards with a friend the day before he died. we both knew he was

> dieing. his love was so everlasting. instead of talking of his

> sufferring, he made jokes about me cheating by looking at the reflection

> in his glasses. never, in my life have i met better people than those who

> have had to combat disease that was overcoming them. my father had

> cancer. two weeks before he died, he begged me to be the best son and

> smother him so that he would suffer no more. it still kills me to

> remember this. how do you kill your father? i could not. i filled him so

> full of morphine that finally his tired worn out body just shut down.

> finally, it ended.

> my father lived with cancer for several years when his original diagnosis

> was only a few months. he lived a long time, because he had a fighting

> spirit and because he faced his illness honestly and was willing to be

> treated and fight.

> i dont pretend to know everything. i have seen a few people survive for a

> long time without the medicines. i do believe in the power of  the mind

> and heart. i also believe that when a virus or bacteria is living in our

> bodies, not the normal stuff, but the ones that make us ill, we should do

> whatever it takes to send them packing.

>

> when someone comes along and says that aids is not real, i get very

> upset. i have seen the loss of too many lives from hiv. yes, i  said hiv.

> and yes, i believe that hiv causes aids. i  have lived a long time with

> this thing and seen too much to fall into the denial trap.  if you

> disagree , fine. dont ruin someones life by giving them false beliefs and

> hopes. in the beginning i watched so many people sell out thier very

> lives standing by what thier friends believed and said. i was one of

> them.

>

> as for me. i dont give a shit if my life is long or short. i want to live

> well and i want to be a caring part of others. i wont lie to anyone about

> anything. i would tell anyone anything they ask of me. it is my nature.

> and somewhere in all of my experiences i have truly come to believe that

> by opening myself to others is my greatest gain, and that there will be a

> few who will find great value in being close to me. those who choose to

> go away do so for thier own reasons. those who accept and stay near to me

> are those i have searched for all of my life.

>

> if you tell someone that they dont have a problem, be certain for thier

> sake.

> if you tell someone that thier disease is not real, think about what

> following your advice might cost them. hope and believe as you wish or

> need to, but alway keep in mind that your hopes and desires cannot save

> the world. be kind.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dana, my dear, no one here is giving false hope. There is no libel or

subterfuge

going on in this list. We are all logical, reasonable people and what we are

doing is

disseminating information. All this information is from 'reliable scientific

studies'

done by the mainstream.

It is up to each participant to decide what they think about HIV/AIDS. We are

here

to argue, discuss and help each other. It is very wrong of you to tell us that

the

simple sharing of information is wrong or going to hurt somebody. You can lead

a

horse to water, but you can't make him drink, you know? I'm sorry that you

have

lost loved ones because of this. However, can you honestly say you saw someone

go from completely healthy, to completely ill, without ever taking an AIDS drug?

If

you have seen this, have you not also seen HIV- people go from completely

healthy

to completely ill without them?

Out of the hundreds of people I have met, I can count three of them who actually

got terribly ill without any detectable risk factors. However, they are still

alive so far.

I actually know more people who have gone the same way, without an " HIV

positive " test to help them along.

If I were you, I would go to Maggiore's website www.aliveandwell.org

and

start from there if you would like to learn. No matter what decision you make,

it's

better to know all the facts right? You may find that things aren't always what

they

seemed.

As for me, I have been " Pos " almost three years now... (I believe) and I have

yet to

have a cold. In fact, half of my entire perfectly healthy Taekwondo students

have

been out ill. The half that is there is obviously sick. The people I work

with are

terribly sick with flu and colds. The people handing me money (paper is a

wonderful

transport for germs) are sick as can be... and I have yet to get a thing.

So where's that True Blue HIV in all of this? When I first tested, I had 400 T

Cells to

speak of. (Yes, I realize that means a whole lot of nothing) If you go by the

" average according to doctors " , I should have lost 300 by now. Yet I'm as

healthy

as ever and not doing anything to change my health, besides the colon therapy

which is probably what gave me my stupid diagnosis in the first place.

Dana, please give us some facts and figures that make you so angry at the

dissident viewpoint. Why are we wrong? If you convince us, than surely you're

saving our lives right? ^__^

Caer

[Guest guest]

Has 2 B,

ok - #1

First I want you to look at the question: penicillin vk 250mg tabs po qid

for 10 days - the dose the patient is to recieve is 250 mg 4 times a day (qid)

for 10 days.

In a suspension the patient will receive 250mg/ 5 mL (250 mg = 5 mL)

SO: 5 mL x 4 times/day x 10 days = 200 mL

#2

This is trickier if you are unfamiliar with percent solutions. I don't know

you're prefered method for setting up problems - I like ratio/proportion - it

keeps the " relationship " of what you are solving.

Start with what is known: the strength of the solution (2%) - a 2% solution

means that there is 2 G of drug/100 mL of volume

You need to know how much total drug is in 60 mL (of this 2% solution) so

that you can add the correct amount from the dosage available (10 mg tabs)

A) 2 G/100 mL = x G/ 60 mL (you may wish to convert grams to milligrams

before doing this part of the problem)

2000 mg/100 mL = X mg / 60 mL (I like to reduce)

20 mg/ mL = X mg/ 60 mL which is the same as 20 mg/mL x 60 mL = X

20 mg/mL x 60 mL = 1200 mg

you need 1200 mg of minoxidil to make 60 mL of a 2% solution

you can do ratio/proportion or desired/have x quantity to solve (I'll

stick with R/P)

10 mg / tab = 1200 mg/x tab

x tab = 1200 mg / 10 mg = 120 tablets

Hope this helped

Anne P LaVance, BS, CPhT

Instructor

Pharmacy Technician Program

Delgado Community College

New Orleans, LA

TEXTPERT

[Guest guest]

Hi, Margaret --

s Hopkins is a great hospital, and if you choose to go there, you won't

go wrong. However, there are huge advantages to having the surgery done

where you live if it's at all possible. Here is a link to contact info for

doctors on the LPA Medical Advisory Board:

<http://www.lpaonline.org/lpa_mab.html>

There are also some fine surgeons who know about dwarfism-related

complications who don't necessarily belong to the MAB. Before you decide to

go to s Hopkins, find out what your surgical options are at home, and

use the MAB as a resource for second opinions and such.

You say you're from New England; the Boston area has some excellent doctors,

although I'll confess I don't know of any who specialize in decompression. I

know more about respiratory and orthopedic.

Dee (contact info on the MAB page) may even be able to tell you about

doctors in your area.

Good luck!

=====

Dan Kennedy

Editor, LPA Online

Little People of America, Inc.

<http://www.lpaonline.org>

On 12/12/03 10:39 AM, " margaretgrady " <margaretgrady@...> wrote:

> Hi! I'm new to this chat-thing and I'm new to the world of dwarfism.

> My beautiful daughter was born six months ago with achondroplasia.

> Recently it was discovered that she has excess fluid and will need

> foramen magnum decompression. At least that's the impression of the

> pediatrician at this time. CT scans and MRI are being sent to s

> Hopkins as we speak. I just want to make sure we're making the right

> decisions for her. My gut is telling me go to JHU. Anyone who's been

> through this, any " I wish I had knowns... " . Also any recommendations

> would be helpful. Prayers, too! Also, Hi to anyone who may catch

> this whom we met at the New England LPA chapter conference in

> October - thanks for all the support and advice then! We look

> forward to the next gathering! Margaret

[Guest guest]

I would definately get a second opinion from another scoliosis surgeon. I am

not questioning your doctor but if his thoracic curve has progressed 38

degrees in 2 years, there is no doubt it will continue to curve. Why wait

another

year. A second and third opinion couldn't hurt.

Keep us posted and I do hope you have a wonderful holiday.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

Your son's surgeon will have to answer some of your questions.

I can tell you that longer fusions do, generally, limit flexibility.

However, I can still do just about everything I could before surgery. (I'm

fused T4 to L3.)

In regard to endoscopic vs. open approach surgeries of the thoracic spine,

the latest studies show good results. It's important to remember, however,

that it's still a relatively new procedure. In my mind, finding a surgeon

who has done a large number of endoscopic procedures will be VERY important.

Also, not all patients are candidates for this procedure.

Stapling does not correct scoliosis. It's used as an alternative to

bracing, to hold the curve until growth is complete. You'd have to check

with the few centers that are doing this procedure, but I suspect that your

son would not be a candidate.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

When rods are attached during scoliosis surgery, most surgeons also do a

derotation maneuver that does, somewhat, bring the hips, shoulders, etc.

back towards normal. Many people, however, do not get completely level.

It's impossible for me to explain how derotation is accomplished, but it

involves rotating the first rod 90 degrees after it's been attached to the

spine. Your surgeon can probably show you how it's done.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Cyn,

In reply to your question about dining room chairs -- They are a big problem

for me! In fact, in my own dining room we have flat backed chairs and, even

then, I have put a set of rocking chair pillows on mine! I cannot sit on those

folding chairs that have a huge space in them, either.

By the way, my scoliosis is said not to fit the idiopathic template.

However, I have had it since I was a teenager, and didn't have surgery until

1992, at

57, with curves in the 90's (top) and 80's (bottom). I did receive

Harrington rods! I do believe they are titanium, but I do have all the problems

of

most Harrington Rod people.

Wishing you a good week,

Carole (the older one)

[Guest guest]

........Also Ive read about people

having surgery and how it helped to improve or take away uneven hips

shoulders waists rib humps ect....how? 

Hi

Because the spine is " somewhat " straightened during surgery, it means that these

other parts of the body also level out a bit. I can wear clothes now that I

would never dare before my surgery. I am not, however 100% and I guess never

will be. However, I would never recommend this surgery for " cosmetic " reasons.

Its just too big.

Good luck

Sanette

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[Guest guest]

Anxiety is difficult to describe sometimes, and it can take many

forms....Here is a great site for information that may assist you

http://www.algy.com/anxiety/anxiety.html

As far as " getting off " .. Effexor was one of the worst for me and I

felt sickly for 45+ days...I mean really sick as I tapered off and

replaced it gradually with lex.. I am 56 and only use my general Doc

for annual checksups and maybe twice in the past few years

for " other minor problems " In other words, I am healthy!

HOWEVER when I tapered off Effexor, It felt like I had contracted a

major illness and I made an appointment for a checkup. A nurse

practitioner asked me what meds I was on, and upon discovering that

I was getting off Effexor, I had my answer to the mysterious

illness! You would have thought the PDOC that perscribed the Effexor

and its eliminmation would have warned me! Effexor should have a

warning label as should paxil...they are both terrible to get off

(for me anyway)

So far I have tappered from a high dose of 30mg Lex daily (where my

sides were awful)to my current 5 mg per day. I went down 10mg each 2

weeks at a time and so far have not had any withdrawal symptoms. The

real test will come in about 8 days when I try to stop completely.

Lex is supposed to be the most easily tolerated SSRI but we are all

very different as to how each med affects us.

Good Luck

jeff

> Hi,

>

> I'm new to this group and was wondering if you all could give some

> advice. I just started taking lexapro. I felt as if I had

anxiety

> all of the time. Can anyone tell me what Anxiety feels like? For

> me, it felt like I was rushing all the time. My body felt like I

had

> been running around and rushing to get things done all day. Is

that

> anxiety? As a result of this feeling my stomach and digestive

system

> doesnt seem to feel good or relly work to well and so the doctor

put

> me on 10mg of Lexapro to try and reduce the anxiety. Has anyone

else

> had these types of problems that have led them to using this

drug?

>

> I was also wondering about the side effects. Is it anything like

> getting off effexor? If one stayed on a dose of 5mg is it hard to

> get off of?

>

> Thanks for all the wise responses!!

[Guest guest]

I've been sick twice in the past 24 years -- both brought on by stress and my

own reckless behavior. Went to doctors only for a couple of injuries.

(Dislocated elbow from a bicycle accident and a serious burn from a motorcycle.)

I eat anything I want, but try to eat mostly healthy, take no supplements.

The only thing out of the ordinary that I do for health is a few minutes

daily of rebound exercise. Very early on in the epidemic I noticed that all my

" HIV/AIDS " friends who were using rebounders had recovered and/or stayed

healthy while all my friends who had faith in their doctors had died. Back

then,

when I still believed in the virus myth, I though I had discovered the " cure. "

You can read about my experience with this at sobehealthy.com and also

http://members.aol.com/curedaids. (There a picture there too, so you see what

an

elderly person with " HIV/AIDS " looks like.)

Ed

Ed

In a message dated 2/27/04 11:41:58 AM, Bran_son2000@... writes:

> Ed you mean you have not been  to a doctor at all ?

> and have had NO problems ?  Please share how you have

> managed to do this...PLEASE

> --- aidsisover@... wrote:

> > The earliest source of testing positive, from what I

> > read of the Perth Group

> > findings, was an experimental polio vaccine -- a

> > " live attenuated virus "

> > vaccine, made with African monkey blood products --

> > similar to the experimental

> > hepatitis B vaccine given to gay men in the 5 cities

> > where AIDS emerged.   I had

> > both -- the first when I in the fourth grade, in

> > 1954.   Technically I would

> > say I am " probably " positive since 1954, but in

> > AIDSspeak one drops the word

> > " probable. "

> >

> > Those two vaccines were my biggest risk factors.  

> >

> > Ed

> >

> > In a message dated 11/21/03 5:46:09 PM,

> > bill.wray@... writes:

> >

> >

> > > Thank you for your answer to my question.

> > > Now I have another...

> > > How could you be HIV positive for 50 years?

> > >   Re: Questions

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >   In a message dated 11/18/03 11:24:38 PM,

> > bill.wray@...

> > > writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >   > Okay, how many of you have been cured? How are

> > you defining that

> > >   > cure?

> > >   > Has your cure been proven by medical tests and

> > if so what tests?

> > >   >

> > >   >

> > >

> > >

> > >   I'm cured.   Cured is when you resume (or

> > continue) a normal, healthy life

> > >   with no doctors, no tests, no bullshit, and no

> > fear of a virus.

> > >

> > >   I believe it is currently against the law to

> > claim you are cured of

> > > hiv/aids,

> > >   as, by definition, AIDS is incurable.   If you

> > test negative after being

> > >   listed as positive you are told that the test is

> > for antibodies and now

> > > your

> > >   immune system is to weak to make them, or else

> > you can be told you never

> > > really had

> > >   AIDS, it was a misdiagnosis.   (All HIV and AIDS

> > diagnoses are

> > > misdiagnoses

> > >   is you examine the evidence with scientific

> > scrutiny.)   Or else, " IT was

> > > a

> > >   MIRACLE! "

> > >

> > >   If you are waiting for a medical approved and

> > documented cure for AIDS to

> > > be

> > >   announced, you will probably die waiting.

> > >

> > >   Ed

> > >   HIV+ for 50 years.   No doctors.   No

> > treatments.   No problems.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/04 8:55:50 PM, Bran_son2000@... writes:

> is jump roping rebounding?

>

NO! Jumping rope subjects the body to a lot of shock that drains your

energy. Rebounding is gentle and builds your energy. Also, doing the

lymphatic

bounce on a rebounder, your body changes direction between 110 and 120 times a

minute which pumps the lymph faster and more effectively than any other

activity. However, by freeing trapped toxins in the body, either activity

would

probably raise your t-cells temporarily. Proponents of rebounding claim it

will triple your t-cell count, for what that's worth.

Ed

[Guest guest]

> 1. You recomended me Springlife Polarizers to try... Which one of

> those would you have suggested? (By the way, if there would be a

> chance to get the sample you had sent to someone, please let me

> know.

Sampling the one that Lachlan currently has would be the safest option,

as then you could tell if it has any effect on you. It's difficult to

say which model to choose. In my own situation, I didn't have much of a

reaction to the smallest pendant, but I had largely recovered from my

most severe ES symptoms before I tried it. The next larger one (the " OM "

pendant) has been much more appropriate for me for most everyday

situations. However, this is not strong enough for harsh EMF

environments (e.g., sitting in front of a computer, being in a room full

of flourescent lights, etc.). In this case, one of the larger models

should be used. My problem with the larger models is that if I wear them

too long, I get unpleasant detox symptoms. However, I can find a balance

by simply putting them a few feet away from me (although this doesn't

make them very portable when used in this way).

The larger models are actually more cost effective -- the largest model

costs about 3 times as much as the smallest model, yet has about 20 times

the amount of the active ingredient. I think one could even take the

largest model, break it open, and pour the ingredients into smaller

containers to make their own sizes (although I have not tried this).

> 2. Do you (or anybody except Dr. Dietrich) have any experiance with

> Bioprotect, and how one who doesn't speak German could order it?

and his wife use this, but I have not. I don't know of any

non-German places to order it from.

> I am curious what happens lately with Lucinda Grant and her

> Network?

Her network no longer exists. I was never a member of this, although

perhaps someone else here was?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I know many people use the Bioprotect card.

As far as I know, everybody is positive about its working.

Nobody has any negative experience, or was not satisfied with the working.

The best experience I had was in a house where a lot of HF radiation was

present; from phone masts as well as radio.

The daughter (about 16 years of age) had constant headaches.

I showed the card to the mother, who gave it to the daughter to see.

She played with it in her hands, and after a few minutes she said suddenly,

that her headaches were gone!

The sleeping quarters were than shielded.

A month later, the mother told me, that her oldest daughter, who always was

in a bad mood, now was sitting on her bed, singing!

Children.

Little childeren.

If you let them choose, where to place their bed in their bedroom, it is

astonishing to see, that they choose instinctively the best and right place.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/

http://www.hese-project.org

checked by Norton Antivirus

Re: questions

>

> > 2. Do you (or anybody except Dr. Dietrich) have any experiance with

> > Bioprotect, and how one who doesn't speak German could order it?

>

> and his wife use this, but I have not. I don't know of any

> non-German places to order it from.

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> I know many people use the Bioprotect card.

> As far as I know, everybody is positive about its working.

There's someone on this list that I sent another device to.

He said he tried the BioProtect and it didn't work for him.

However, he also said that he tried a lot of other things

which didn't work for him either. And so far, it appears

that the device I sent him doesn't work either.

So, sometimes these things don't work. I think when this

is the case, there may be other issues which are more in

need of fixing first. For example, I remember when I got

my first few EMF protection devices. None of them seemed

to do anything. Then, a few months later, I had all of

the metal dental work removed from my mouth (as a response

to a diagnosis of mercury poisoning). Interestingly,

a few weeks later I tried some of these old devices again,

and THEN I could feel them doing something. I also

had the same experience with supplements -- some supplements

which didn't seem to work prior to having my fillings

removed now seemed to work! So it seemed that having my

fillings out needed to be done first, then using some

supplements and EMF devices became more effective.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello Marc,

those *things* all work like a resonator.

If the person's electrosensibility is too high, his/her body attracts more

radiation than the *thing* can handle.

As soon as the level of electrosensibility has lessened, than the *things*

suddenly appear to work.

The level of electrosensibility can be lessened by sleeping in an

radiation-free bed.

And by doing other things like removing the amalgam fillings, while detoxing

all the time.

Everybody should know by now how to obtain such a radiation free bed.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/

http://www.hese-project.org

checked by Norton Antivirus

Re: questions

> > I know many people use the Bioprotect card.

> > As far as I know, everybody is positive about its working.

>

> There's someone on this list that I sent another device to.

> He said he tried the BioProtect and it didn't work for him.

> However, he also said that he tried a lot of other things

> which didn't work for him either. And so far, it appears

> that the device I sent him doesn't work either.

>

> So, sometimes these things don't work. I think when this

> is the case, there may be other issues which are more in

> need of fixing first. For example, I remember when I got

> my first few EMF protection devices. None of them seemed

> to do anything. Then, a few months later, I had all of

> the metal dental work removed from my mouth (as a response

> to a diagnosis of mercury poisoning). Interestingly,

> a few weeks later I tried some of these old devices again,

> and THEN I could feel them doing something. I also

> had the same experience with supplements -- some supplements

> which didn't seem to work prior to having my fillings

> removed now seemed to work! So it seemed that having my

> fillings out needed to be done first, then using some

> supplements and EMF devices became more effective.

>

> Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Drasko

Since you've expressed an interest in the springlife product, I could send it

on to you next to have a try. I'm now interested to see if I feel different

when not wearing the pendant so if you're interested, send a postal address to

lachlan.mudge@... so I can pass it on to you in a little while. Good

luck

Lachlan

questions

Marc,

1. You recomended me Springlife Polarizers to try... Which one of those would

you have suggested? (By the way, if there would be a chance to get the sample

you had sent to someone, please let me know.

2. Do you (or anybody except Dr. Dietrich) have any experiance with Bioprotect,

and how one who doesn't speak German could order it?

(This could have been mentioned over the list, but once I read something I am

unable to find it again, as the " subject " of the messages generally doesn't

correspond to the current thread. I, and some others maybe, would have

appreciated if the " subject " would have been updated when starting a new

thread.)

3. Thank you for posting the ES News at the site (and for all the service you

and others are giving to this list)! I am curious what happens lately with

Lucinda Grant and her Network?

Drasko

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I use the bioprotect for several weeks now. I am less tired since. When working

at the computer, it doesn't seem to help (for me). So for the computer I'm

trying Tecno AO now.

Best regards,

Niels

> > 2. Do you (or anybody except Dr. Dietrich) have any experiance with

> > Bioprotect, and how one who doesn't speak German could order it?

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I don't know if you remember a post around November or December from Herbal

Momma. She was inquiring information regarding her husband who had

problems with sores in his mouth (some of the fillings came out) and

problems with his feet. If I recall correctly, he had an accident in the

winter where he passed out and was out in the extreme cold for hours, which

caused problems with his feet and legs. Beside the canker sore, he was

healthy nnd was waiting for his release to go back to work at any time.

Something his family consisting of 6 children were depending on.

He died on Feb. 18th... due to his dr.'s negligence. The sore in his mouth

got so bad that he couldn't eat, so the dr prescribed a medication to clear

it up that he was SEVERELY allergic to. The dr gave him samples and

nothing on a rx pad. It wasn't until he began having strange reactions,

his wife researched the medicine and found out it, it contained an agent

(that was in his records) that if given he would have a SEVERE reacation.

Over 3 times, his drs gave it to him, the last time, WHILE HE WAS IN THE

HOSPITAL almost caused his breathing to stop. She quickly emailed the dr

and he told her to stop giving it to him, but her husband was beginning to

develop other issues to the point he had to be hospitalized.

When he was admitted he was 116 pounds, and of course at the hospital they

only wanted to give him AIDS meds, but he and his wife refused. The did

nothing other than giving him something for dehydration, they did nothing

for nourishment or treating the reaction to the medication that he

shouldn't have NEVER been prescribed in the first place. He stopped

talking and soon eating. Since he wouldn't take the AIDS meds, they felt

nothing else could be done and sent him home to die.

His wife, took a medical leave from work, worked tirelessly to help him

regain his health and nourish him, she tried everything, even urine

therapy, but he was too far gone. This is a man that only had a canker

sore, he was getting ready to go back to work in a few weeks and because

his dr refused to pick up his chart which would have revealed his severe

allergic reaction to the medication he rx, this man would still be alive

TODAY. I don't remember the name, if anyone interested I will call her and

find out, it had sulfur or sodium that caused him problems.

I am so angry!! I knew them personally and he was a wonderful person, full

of life and all he talked about was going back to work so his family could

have a decent home and nice things. He loved his family and would finish

his wife sentences, that's how close they were. He wanted to get back to

work to get them out of the home they are living in. It's not fit to live

in and to the point if she contacts our local FIA they would remove her

children until she can provide a better home. How can she do that now?!!!

Who is going to be responsible for the innocent man's death!!! They peg

this big fat lie called HIV.

This is ridiculous, so know if someone has to be hospitalized the only way

they'll be treated is if they take the toxic drugs first. Sorry for all

you pro- choicers, but people can exercise their right to murder an

innocent baby, but not have the right to decide if they want to take toxic

medications or have them given to their children and loved ones???

What can be done about this? Don't we have ANY rights??? This woman is

living in a home with plastic on her roof, and has to worry about how she

is going to raise 6 beautiful children who lost their father. No programs

or anyone seems to be able to help her get adequate housing. She does

work, but it isn't enough, even her oldest children work and go to school

to help out, but it just isn't enough. That's why she was so happy to

know her husband was going to be returning to work, making good money.

I know not everyone agrees with going to conventional drs, personally I

try to avoid them as much as I can. What can we do, if we get so sick,

like pneumonia, or heart attack, broken bones, stabbings, comas, and our

family either wants to admit us or we must get admitted for treatment?

What is the first thing they do, run a HIV data base and pull out the meds

and treat only that? This grown man was starving and all they wanted to

do was shove pills down his throat, why didn't they " force " feed him

something that would have save his life. This is so frightening.... it

makes me want to get an new identity to escape the " LIST " .

Innocent children and babies are being slowly murdered, people lives are

being destroyed, I am so sick of this. It seems like we take two steps

ahead and go back 20. It seems like we have no rights, no say in our

health unless we do it " undercover " , this is what they call America.. land

of the free? Where was this couple's freedom??? Who is going to help

this mother, who has been struggling for so long and just when they seem

they were coming to the light at the end of the tunnel, the tunnel is now

longer and darker than before.

I am so angry, there has to be something that we free, American citizens

can do to stop this mass murdering with toxic drugs, and the " take the meds

or you're on your own " tactics drs and hospitals, and these agencies that

are killing children use. What can we do? Is there anything that can be

done to help my friend and her 6 children who father was murdered?

M

[Guest guest]

,

OMG, this woman is also a member-subscriber of DissidentSaint, and I

didn't know what has transpired. What a complete and utter tragedy! I

mourn for this family and pray to God they will be covered by His/Her

grace. I have seen this sort of thing many times, unfortunately. We

must be ever vigilant in our health and wellness. I have had my own

experiences being hospitalized and fighting with the doctors who were

supposed to be care-givers. Only by persistance was I able to

overcome any misdiagnosis and mistreatment.

>

> Hi all,

>

> I don't know if you remember a post around November or December

from Herbal

> Momma. She was inquiring information regarding her husband who had

> problems with sores in his mouth (some of the fillings came out) and

> problems with his feet. If I recall correctly, he had an accident

in the

> winter where he passed out and was out in the extreme cold for

hours, which

> caused problems with his feet and legs. Beside the canker sore,

he was

> healthy nnd was waiting for his release to go back to work at any

time.

> Something his family consisting of 6 children were depending on.

>

> He died on Feb. 18th... due to his dr.'s negligence. The sore in

his mouth

> got so bad that he couldn't eat, so the dr prescribed a medication

to clear

> it up that he was SEVERELY allergic to. The dr gave him samples and

> nothing on a rx pad. It wasn't until he began having strange

reactions,

> his wife researched the medicine and found out it, it contained an

agent

> (that was in his records) that if given he would have a SEVERE

reacation.

> Over 3 times, his drs gave it to him, the last time, WHILE HE WAS

IN THE

> HOSPITAL almost caused his breathing to stop. She quickly emailed

the dr

> and he told her to stop giving it to him, but her husband was

beginning to

> develop other issues to the point he had to be hospitalized.

>

> When he was admitted he was 116 pounds, and of course at the

hospital they

> only wanted to give him AIDS meds, but he and his wife refused.

The did

> nothing other than giving him something for dehydration, they did

nothing

> for nourishment or treating the reaction to the medication that he

> shouldn't have NEVER been prescribed in the first place. He stopped

> talking and soon eating. Since he wouldn't take the AIDS meds,

they felt

> nothing else could be done and sent him home to die.

>

> His wife, took a medical leave from work, worked tirelessly to help

him

> regain his health and nourish him, she tried everything, even urine

> therapy, but he was too far gone. This is a man that only had a

canker

> sore, he was getting ready to go back to work in a few weeks and

because

> his dr refused to pick up his chart which would have revealed his

severe

> allergic reaction to the medication he rx, this man would still be

alive

> TODAY. I don't remember the name, if anyone interested I will call

her and

> find out, it had sulfur or sodium that caused him problems.

>

> I am so angry!! I knew them personally and he was a wonderful

person, full

> of life and all he talked about was going back to work so his

family could

> have a decent home and nice things. He loved his family and would

finish

> his wife sentences, that's how close they were. He wanted to get

back to

> work to get them out of the home they are living in. It's not fit

to live

> in and to the point if she contacts our local FIA they would remove

her

> children until she can provide a better home. How can she do that

now?!!!

> Who is going to be responsible for the innocent man's death!!!

They peg

> this big fat lie called HIV.

>

> This is ridiculous, so know if someone has to be hospitalized the

only way

> they'll be treated is if they take the toxic drugs first. Sorry

for all

> you pro- choicers, but people can exercise their right to murder an

> innocent baby, but not have the right to decide if they want to

take toxic

> medications or have them given to their children and loved ones???

>

> What can be done about this? Don't we have ANY rights??? This

woman is

> living in a home with plastic on her roof, and has to worry about

how she

> is going to raise 6 beautiful children who lost their father. No

programs

> or anyone seems to be able to help her get adequate housing. She

does

> work, but it isn't enough, even her oldest children work and go to

school

> to help out, but it just isn't enough. That's why she was so

happy to

> know her husband was going to be returning to work, making good

money.

>

> I know not everyone agrees with going to conventional drs,

personally I

> try to avoid them as much as I can. What can we do, if we get so

sick,

> like pneumonia, or heart attack, broken bones, stabbings, comas,

and our

> family either wants to admit us or we must get admitted for

treatment?

> What is the first thing they do, run a HIV data base and pull out

the meds

> and treat only that? This grown man was starving and all they

wanted to

> do was shove pills down his throat, why didn't they " force " feed him

> something that would have save his life. This is so

frightening.... it

> makes me want to get an new identity to escape the " LIST " .

>

> Innocent children and babies are being slowly murdered, people

lives are

> being destroyed, I am so sick of this. It seems like we take two

steps

> ahead and go back 20. It seems like we have no rights, no say in

our

> health unless we do it " undercover " , this is what they call

America.. land

> of the free? Where was this couple's freedom??? Who is going to

help

> this mother, who has been struggling for so long and just when they

seem

> they were coming to the light at the end of the tunnel, the tunnel

is now

> longer and darker than before.

>

> I am so angry, there has to be something that we free, American

citizens

> can do to stop this mass murdering with toxic drugs, and the " take

the meds

> or you're on your own " tactics drs and hospitals, and these

agencies that

> are killing children use. What can we do? Is there anything

that can be

> done to help my friend and her 6 children who father was murdered?

>

>

> M