Questions

[Guest guest]

At 01:59 PM 11/21/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>hi--I thought I emailed this a couple of days ago but didn't see it

>

>1. my son had roseola a couple of months ago I read that it was the one day

>measles--does that give him any immunity from measles

No, it isn't measles.

http://www.saber.net/~bidarius/homeo/html/childhood_diseases_at_a_glance.html

Childhood Diseases

http://www.saber.net/~bidarius/homeo/html/homeopathic_treatment.html

and a mini page on some of the remedies and their characteristics and what

they match

easier with the book

>

>2. is there a homeopathic remedy for a baby with a really runny nose and

>slight cough who is teething--I tried the hyland's tablets but they don't do

>anything for the nose

>

>thanks

>Malissa

You need to individualize this

Get the books by Ullman and Castro so you can learn how!

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm#homeopathy

Read my article and you will understand why - it depends on his temperment,

the characteristic of the drainage from his nose and more.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

I will be starting my next class in Intro to Homeopathy over the net in

January.

Let me know if you are interested - you and anyone else

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

A1 - lecithin is ok for Os

A2 - Aloe is an avoid

A3 - QQQQQQQ - do you know that you need progesterone?

questions

Hello,

I am new here, but have been on the diet for many years (without

knowing it)except for a few changes that were needed, which I have

recently made since reading the book a few weeks ago.

I have been trying to sleuth out answers to a few questions at the

Dr. D main site, but to no avail. If anyone can help with these

queries, I would very much appreciate:

1) I have heard that lecithin granules are a no for O types, but I

don't see this anywhere in the book or at the site. Is this true?

2) What about Aloe Vera Juice? Again, no mention of it in the book.

3) Any suggestions as to a menopause supplement for hot flashes and

other symptoms? Dr. D says (in the book) that conventional estrogen

replacement works well for O's, but he doesn't mention progesterone,

which is really needed along w/the estrogen. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks,

S.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, !

So I guess you're saying lecithin is o.k. for O, NS types.

Re: Progesterone:

It is needed in hormone replacement therapy for menopausal women to

balance the effects of estrogen which, otherwise, increases the risk

of breast and reproductive cancers. It also stimulates bone-building

and thus helps protect against osteoporosis.

S.

[Guest guest]

I know what it does, but I wanted to find out if it was prescribed for you.

Re: questions

Thanks, !

So I guess you're saying lecithin is o.k. for O, NS types.

Re: Progesterone:

It is needed in hormone replacement therapy for menopausal women to

balance the effects of estrogen which, otherwise, increases the risk

of breast and reproductive cancers. It also stimulates bone-building

and thus helps protect against osteoporosis.

S.

[Guest guest]

Oh, all right, guess I didn't understand.

First, Estrogen, to my knowledge, is usually not prescribed without

Progesterone as well. In my case, I also have very low bone density

due to having CFIDS and, thus, being exercise intolerant. I have

recently increased my Calcium intake but very much miss the exercise,

invariably brings on " flares " .

S.

> I know what it does, but I wanted to find out if it was prescribed

for you.

[Guest guest]

How many mgs of calcium and how many mgs of magnesium are you taking per

day? Silicon? Boron?

And what's with all the empty posts? Are you catching Dekanyitis? ;^p

Re: questions

> Oh, all right, guess I didn't understand.

>

> First, Estrogen, to my knowledge, is usually not prescribed without

> Progesterone as well. In my case, I also have very low bone density

> due to having CFIDS and, thus, being exercise intolerant. I have

> recently increased my Calcium intake but very much miss the exercise,

> invariably brings on " flares " .

>

> S.

>

>

> > I know what it does, but I wanted to find out if it was prescribed

> for you.

[Guest guest]

Usually need MORE MAGNESIUM than calcium. And, you

need to be careful with calcium. It can mess with pH

balance and digestion and actually interfere with your

absorbtion and utilization of calcium.

Have you done any kind of fasting, cleansing or fixing

your digestion (maybe anti-yeast treatment)? Need to

make sure that part is working right so that you can

get all the benefits of the correct diet.

KM

> Re: questions

>

>

> > Oh, all right, guess I didn't understand.

> >

> > First, Estrogen, to my knowledge, is usually not

> prescribed without

> > Progesterone as well. In my case, I also have very

> low bone density

> > due to having CFIDS and, thus, being exercise

> intolerant. I have

> > recently increased my Calcium intake but very much

> miss the exercise,

> > invariably brings on " flares " .

> >

> > S.

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

LOL Axel.

-----Original Message-----

And what's with all the empty posts? Are you catching Dekanyitis? ;^p

[Guest guest]

> hello--a few questions again:)

>

> do products containing mercury list it on the label? (Nose drops,

etc)

Look for " thimerosal " on labels for this stuff. That would be

the likely one I think. (Thimerosal is a preservative made with

mercury. It is also what is used in some vaccines.)

> My son was given an antibiotic injection when he had pneumonia in

May then I

> read that things like that could have mercury as a preservative--I

know I

> can't worry about what already happened --but I need to know for the

> future--so does anyone know about that?

You can ask to see the vaccine " insert " . I'm told there are

2 " parts " -- ask to see both. Look for thimerosal.

> Also, www.lc.org (Liberty counsel) has info about vaccines with

aborted

> fetal cells--they have an article you can request--perhaps Eagle

Forum as

> well although I don't know their address

>

> Where can I find vaccine inserts on the internet? My dh listens when

I tell

> him things I discover but he doesn't absorb it all however, he came

home

> from work the other day and said that his co-worker and pg wife were

> researching vaccines and he told them some stuff and of course since

they're

> researching I want to give them good stuff to look at:) I was very

proud

> of dh:)

I don't know the answer, I don't know if that info IS on the web.

You could also try:

1. www.autism treatment.com

2. safe minds website (there is a link from the prior website.

I think it may be www.safeminds.org ??)

3. buy the book " What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About

Children's Vaccinations " by Cave MD and give this

to co-worker and pg wife to read.

hope that is some help

Moria

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much. Mind telling me what DFW is and who Carol S. is?

Thanks,

Nina

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina, you should look at the DFW CFIDS/FM website. Two treatments

that have helped many of us are B-12 injections (high dose) and

whey. Most prescription meds only help symptoms. I think if you

put 'DFW' and 'CFIDS' into any search engine (even )

you can find Carol S's website which has many treatments from Dr.

Cheney. Maybe one of our other members could send you a hyperlink

to the site.

Mike

>

>

> Group -

>

> It's a little bewildering coming into this group in mid-stream. And

it may be

> annoying to have new people coming in with questions you've all

been over a

> million times. If that's the case, don't concern yourself with my

questions.

> I'll figure it all out eventually.

>

> I've had CFIDS for about 14 years and have never gone the medical

route -

> since I don't know what's wrong, I haven't wanted to mess up my

body with the

> side effects of prescription drugs. Plus, I've been in Memphis,

Tennessee,

> where there's few docs who even know that CFIDS is a real illness.

>

> But recently, two things have happened. (1) I got a new computer,

so that I

> can zoom around the Internet and check things out better. (2) I

realized that

> my herbal program (I have a very intuitive herbal helper) has been

very

> helpful but has plateaued and just seems to be chasing symptoms,

putting out

> brush fires.

>

> I'm also more willing to travel now and might even be moving to the

SF Bay

> Area.

>

> So, I'm wanting to re-visit the possibility of help from Western

medicine.

>

> So, if anyone is at all interested, I have a few questions. Answer

all or

> none or whatever interests you: (1) What do you think is wrong with

you? (2)

> In specific, do you think it's neurological? And if so, what are

you doing

> abut that? (3)Anyone work with Jay Goldstein? And how did that go?

>

> (4) I know we all will heal differently, but I'm wondering what has

worked

> for any of you. Do you know any people who got well and what got

them well?

>

> (5) I'm extremely skeptical of Western medicine. Did any of you

start from

> that attitude and then learn to feel more appreciative of it?

>

> Thanks,

> Nina

[Guest guest]

Hi!

I used supplements to get rid of CFS symptoms and if you can find someone that

does muscle testing or do it on your own, you eliminate a lot of the guesswork

out of which supplements are helping.

Supplements that helped me:

Large doses of Vitamin C with zinc

Vitamin E and Selenium

Halibut Oil

Magnesium and Malic Acid

Bilberry

Melatonin

Chasteberry Tonic (Vitex Agnus Castus)

This is a partial list of all the supplements I tried, but I feel they were the

most instrumental in getting me from being housebound and back into the

workforce.

I never did find a medical Doctor willing to treat CFS, so did not use any

medical prescriptions at all.

Merle

ninamac@... wrote:

> Group -

> I've had CFIDS for about 14 years and have never gone the medical route -

> since I don't know what's wrong, I haven't wanted to mess up my body with the

> side effects of prescription drugs. Plus, I've been in Memphis, Tennessee,

> where there's few docs who even know that CFIDS is a real illness.

>

> (4) I know we all will heal differently, but I'm wondering what has worked

> for any of you. Do you know any people who got well and what got them well?

>

> Thanks,

> Nina

>

[Guest guest]

What is Chaste Berry Tonic and what is it used for ?

Re: Questions

Hi!

I used supplements to get rid of CFS symptoms and if you can find someone

that does muscle testing or do it on your own, you eliminate a lot of the

guesswork out of which supplements are helping.

Supplements that helped me:

Large doses of Vitamin C with zinc

Vitamin E and Selenium

Halibut Oil

Magnesium and Malic Acid

Bilberry

Melatonin

Chasteberry Tonic (Vitex Agnus Castus)

This is a partial list of all the supplements I tried, but I feel they were

the most instrumental in getting me from being housebound and back into the

workforce.

I never did find a medical Doctor willing to treat CFS, so did not use any

medical prescriptions at all.

Merle

ninamac@... wrote:

> Group -

> I've had CFIDS for about 14 years and have never gone the medical route -

> since I don't know what's wrong, I haven't wanted to mess up my body with

the

> side effects of prescription drugs. Plus, I've been in Memphis, Tennessee,

> where there's few docs who even know that CFIDS is a real illness.

>

> (4) I know we all will heal differently, but I'm wondering what has worked

> for any of you. Do you know any people who got well and what got them

well?

>

> Thanks,

> Nina

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

DFW is Dallas Fort Forth.

Carol Silverling is one Of Dr. Cheney's paitents who posts a lot of his

stuff.

Re: Re: Questions

Thanks very much. Mind telling me what DFW is and who Carol S. is?

Thanks,

Nina

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

ninamac wrote:

[cut text]

> So, if anyone is at all interested, I have a few questions.

> Answer all or none or whatever interests you:

> (1) What do you think is wrong with you?

I think I have adrenal fatique and (subacute) thyroid problems; I think

these putative conditions are explained fairly well on Dr. Rind's Website:

http://www.drrind.com/

Look at the Low Metabolic Energy section.

> (2) In specific, do you think it's neurological? And if so,

> what are you doing abut that?

Possibly. The pituitary and hypothalamus function as regulators of many of

the hormones involved in energy production. But I don't think my own

problems are primarily neurological in origin. But then I don't really

know for sure.

> (5) I'm extremely skeptical of Western medicine. Did any

> of you start from that attitude and then learn to feel

> more appreciative of it?

No, I'm the opposite of that -- I thought modern medicine was fine when I

was young, but then I became more skeptical of the Western approach after

I got CFS when I was a teenager and the doctors insisted there was nothing

wrong with me and just told me to take antidepressants (which made me feel

even worse and more lethargic). I felt as if they refused to help me, just

dismissed me as an annoyance. However, the scientific method is the only

possible process that will lift the veil from CFS and discover a treatment;

it's just the ignorant attitude of (most) doctors and their simplistic

approach to health problems that screwed me.

Dani

====

_________________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/4/02 7:41:30 PM Mountain Standard Time,

yakcamp22@... writes:

> With all due respect, muscle testing is at best considered a

> questionable system to determine what supplements work for a given

> individual. The new member should know that none of the major

> doctors who are talked about on this list (Cheney, Lapp, ,

> Salvato, etc.) recommend muscle testing. No offense to anyone,

> but that is the truth.

Which truth? Or who's truth?

Yes, those fellas don't recommend it; that is the truth.

I guess I would say, if ya ain't tried it, don't knock it? There is more than

meets your eye, Horatio. :-)

No offense taken, or meant, either.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

With all due respect, muscle testing is at best considered a

questionable system to determine what supplements work for a given

individual. The new member should know that none of the major

doctors who are talked about on this list (Cheney, Lapp, ,

Salvato, etc.) recommend muscle testing. No offense to anyone,

but that is the truth.

Mike

> Hi!

>

> I used supplements to get rid of CFS symptoms and if you can find

someone that does muscle testing or do it on your own, you eliminate

a lot of the guesswork out of which supplements are helping.

[Guest guest]

Yes with all due respect:

It should be well noted by now that muscle testing is emerging as

the most reliable, accessable diagnostic testing to confirm the

diagnosis.

My recollection is that Cheney uses these tests as part of the

growth hormone evaluations before his trials.

As with most things about health and medicine self assesment and

diagnosis should not be relied upon when dealing with a serious

disease.

I am not aware of any reliable reports of recovery from the use of

suppliments, though they are useful and help stabilize some symptoms.

However Dr is producing significant improvement and

recoveries using ampligen and antivirals.

It seems that everything about our disease is complex and we are far

from knowing all the answers.

The best and most dedicated physicians and scientists will continue

to be hampered and frustrated and patients will be largely left to

search on their own until such time that we are able to gather public

awareness of the disaster that the Govt health agencies have imposed

on this disease. Major public investment will be required to find the

cause and cures for our disease. Efforts to bring pressure on our

government to take this disease seriously will be required to make

the big advances.

Quintero

> > Hi!

> >

> > I used supplements to get rid of CFS symptoms and if you can find

> someone that does muscle testing or do it on your own, you

eliminate

> a lot of the guesswork out of which supplements are helping.

[Guest guest]

I have been muscle tested for BOTH drugs and supplements

both before and after taking them.

100% of the time, those that indicate they are a problem ARE a problem.

Re: Re: Questions

In a message dated 2/4/02 7:41:30 PM Mountain Standard Time,

yakcamp22@... writes:

> With all due respect, muscle testing is at best considered a

> questionable system to determine what supplements work for a given

> individual. The new member should know that none of the major

> doctors who are talked about on this list (Cheney, Lapp, ,

> Salvato, etc.) recommend muscle testing. No offense to anyone,

> but that is the truth.

Which truth? Or who's truth?

Yes, those fellas don't recommend it; that is the truth.

I guess I would say, if ya ain't tried it, don't knock it? There is more

than

meets your eye, Horatio. :-)

No offense taken, or meant, either.

Adrienne

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

OK, I knew this was going to happen. I think muscle testing is fine.

My point, that I didn't make very well, is that *some* docs who

might be able to help, will consider muscle testing a " fringe "

or dubious theory and therefore they might not take you seriously.

Since there are few CFS 'specialists' in some areas of the country,

like DFW, I wouldn't want to demand to be muscle tested if the doc

is a more traditional doc who is good with CFS nonetheless. Really,

that's all.

Mike

> I have been muscle tested for BOTH drugs and supplements

> both before and after taking them.

> 100% of the time, those that indicate they are a problem ARE a

problem.

[Guest guest]

At 12:12 PM 03/13/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>okay, i'm sort of done with the vax info brochure, but

>still have a couple of questions that i simply cannot

>find the answers for. can somebody please fill me in,

>so i can upload it to the files section and print it

>out and give to parents....

>

>What are the risks if my child does not get any

>vaccinations? (i have answered this, but do not feel

>quite comfortable yet, so i'd love to hear others'

>views)

tThey have the same risk of getting dthe diseases in my opinion that

vaccinated children do

but no risk of vaccine reactions. Don't know how you say that though.

The vaccines are NOT necessarily effective in preventing acute illness -

actually give the hcild a chronic case of the disease, but I don't have

indelible proof of that in so many words.

Might want to leave this out.

>

>How many people contract measles in any given year,

>and how many of those are not vaccinated? (i have the

>no. of measles cases in the UK, but can't find any

>breakdown into vaxxed and non-vaxxed. has anyone come

>across such breakdown?)

they won't tell us.

>

>i've also reported the alan yurko case on it, for the

>simple reason that thus far, i've not heard of any

>such cases in the UK. however, i have a feeling that

>might change, so i thought it's a good idea to

>'prepare' parents. while doing this, i remembered the

>case of an english nanny who got arrested because her

>2-yr old charge died of shaken baby syndrome in 1997.

>anyone remember her name/case???? all i remember is

>that at the time i said she didn't kill the child,

>going by gut feeling.

>

Oh, yes there are cases in the UK and a new one I received just this week.

Louise was the nanny's name and it could very well be a vaccine damage case

- parents were docs

>the websites i've listed are:

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>http://www.vaccinationnews.com

>http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

TYPO IN THIS ONE - I CORRECTED

>http://www.909shot.com

thanks for doing this.

But I'd be careful about saying things you can't prove - lawsuits, etc.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Try this for Louise Woodward, the British nanny who allegedly killed her

" charge " .

http://www.boston.com/globe/metro/packages/woodward/freedom.htm

HTH.

Sue

" The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful

servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten

the gift. " - Albert Einstein

> questions

>

>

> okay, i'm sort of done with the vax info brochure, but

> still have a couple of questions that i simply cannot

> find the answers for. can somebody please fill me in,

> so i can upload it to the files section and print it

> out and give to parents....

>

> What are the risks if my child does not get any

> vaccinations? (i have answered this, but do not feel

> quite comfortable yet, so i'd love to hear others'

> views)

>

> How many people contract measles in any given year,

> and how many of those are not vaccinated? (i have the

> no. of measles cases in the UK, but can't find any

> breakdown into vaxxed and non-vaxxed. has anyone come

> across such breakdown?)

>

> i've also reported the alan yurko case on it, for the

> simple reason that thus far, i've not heard of any

> such cases in the UK. however, i have a feeling that

> might change, so i thought it's a good idea to

> 'prepare' parents. while doing this, i remembered the

> case of an english nanny who got arrested because her

> 2-yr old charge died of shaken baby syndrome in 1997.

> anyone remember her name/case???? all i remember is

> that at the time i said she didn't kill the child,

> going by gut feeling.

>

> the websites i've listed are:

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> http://www.vaccinationnews.com

> http://www.whale.to/vaccines.htm

> http://www.909shot.com

> have i left out any????

> thanx!

> claudia

>

>

> =====

> our all new vaccination discussion forum is

> up!http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/index2.htm home page @

http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/index.htm

The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds

reptiles of the mind.

Blake

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

>

> What are the risks if my child does not get any

> vaccinations? (i have answered this, but do not feel

> quite comfortable yet, so i'd love to hear others'

> views)

The risks are that they will get the infections against which other children

are vaccinated. But there is risk to the children that *are* vaccinated -

only a " double whammy " . They may still get the infections, but they also

get guaranteed vaccine damage to a lesser or greater degree. They get the

chronic variety of the disease in question, but may also get the acute. I

don't believe *any* vaccine is without side effects/damage, long or short

term. So that is a benefit of not having your child vaccinated. But having

the infections provide lifelong immunity, and not dubious short-term reduced

risk of getting an infection which probably would do less harm in its

natural state. Susceptibility must be a factor, as is the way a child is

nursed/looked after (get Suzy on this one), and whether they are breastfed,

and their nutritional status.

>

> How many people contract measles in any given year,

> and how many of those are not vaccinated? (i have the

> no. of measles cases in the UK, but can't find any

> breakdown into vaxxed and non-vaxxed. has anyone come

> across such breakdown?)

Now do you think the PHLS are *really* going to provide that info? ;o)

>

> i've also reported the alan yurko case on it, for the

> simple reason that thus far, i've not heard of any

> such cases in the UK. however, i have a feeling that

> might change, so i thought it's a good idea to

> 'prepare' parents. while doing this, i remembered the

> case of an english nanny who got arrested because her

> 2-yr old charge died of shaken baby syndrome in 1997.

> anyone remember her name/case???? all i remember is

> that at the time i said she didn't kill the child,

> going by gut feeling.

Posted already on that one...

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" Education is an admirable thing. But it is well to remember from time to

time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught. " - Wilde

[Guest guest]

thank you, sue! i wonder if he had been vaccinated a

few days/weeks before he died... it doesn't say in the

article.

:-)

claudia

--- Sue <angelmouse55@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Try this for Louise Woodward, the British nanny who

> allegedly killed her

> " charge " .

>

>

http://www.boston.com/globe/metro/packages/woodward/freedom.htm

>

> HTH.

>

> Sue

>

> " The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the

> rational mind is a faithful

> servant. We have created a society that honors the

> servant and has forgotten

> the gift. " - Albert Einstein

>

>

> > questions

> >

> >

> > okay, i'm sort of done with the vax info brochure,

> but

> > still have a couple of questions that i simply

> cannot

> > find the answers for. can somebody please fill me

> in,

> > so i can upload it to the files section and print

> it

> > out and give to parents....

> >

> > What are the risks if my child does not get any

> > vaccinations? (i have answered this, but do not

> feel

> > quite comfortable yet, so i'd love to hear others'

> > views)

> >

> > How many people contract measles in any given

> year,

> > and how many of those are not vaccinated? (i have

> the

> > no. of measles cases in the UK, but can't find any

> > breakdown into vaxxed and non-vaxxed. has anyone

> come

> > across such breakdown?)

> >

> > i've also reported the alan yurko case on it, for

> the

> > simple reason that thus far, i've not heard of any

> > such cases in the UK. however, i have a feeling

> that

> > might change, so i thought it's a good idea to

> > 'prepare' parents. while doing this, i remembered

> the

> > case of an english nanny who got arrested because

> her

> > 2-yr old charge died of shaken baby syndrome in

> 1997.

> > anyone remember her name/case???? all i remember

> is

> > that at the time i said she didn't kill the child,

> > going by gut feeling.

> >

> > the websites i've listed are:

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com

> > http://www.whale.to/vaccines.htm

> > http://www.909shot.com

> > have i left out any????

> > thanx!

> > claudia

> >

> >

> > =====

> > our all new vaccination discussion forum is

> >

>

up!http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/index2.htm

> home page @

> http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/index.htm

>

> The man who never alters his opinions is like

> standing water, and breeds

> reptiles of the mind.

> Blake

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

> >

> > What are the risks if my child does not get any

> > vaccinations? (i have answered this, but do not feel

> > quite comfortable yet, so i'd love to hear others'

> > views)

>

> The risks are that they will get the infections against which other

children are vaccinated.

- as will many of those that are also vaccinated but (...but...)

chances are that yours will recover and grow to be healthy, strong

and of sound mind, instead of having to contend with a multitude of

weird and nasty chronic states.

Susceptibility must be a factor, as is the way a child is

> nursed/looked after (get Suzy on this one), and whether they are

breastfed, and their nutritional status.

- yes, well, my take on this is that whether your child is vaccinated

or not, whether your child is ill or not.... your child will benefit

emotionally and therefore in health from some " wholesome " parenting.

This obviously takes many forms but one of the most important IMVHO

is what I call nursing... Nursing your child through illness. It is

the only way for me to dare to stay from Calpol (we have

convulsions...) It means being vigilant and becoming a " carer " when

your child is ill. This is very difficult for many to do because it

means not doing the cp vax, ignoring govt advice and staying home

from work to nurse your child. Or, with a little creativity and

effort, it means doing what many women have done in the past and

building up a support network to benefit the children involved. I

have five friends who will mother each others children as and when

the need arises. We have taken days off work for each other, and

since our kids spend so much time together, they catch bugs from each

other... Mine are the only non-vaxxed but the others are catching on

to the idea... :-)

Also, nutrition is essential. Homeopathy and other therapies are

excellent methods of redressing imbalances but it is good and

appropriate nutrition that will keep the individual from falling back

into a state of illness. Allergies and food insensitivity are an

exploding epidemic as is childhood diabetes, the ADD spectrum and of

course autism, cancers, etc, etc. So it is important to be aware of

the principles of good and appropriate nutrition. Some cooking skills

don't hurt either - it cuts down on that food bill incredibly.

My little theory in practice is that if the child feels secure in the

care and succour he receives, is fed with simple, natural and clean

food as building blocks for health, gets clean air and water, is

protected from as many environmental and other toxins as humanly

possible in this day and age - then all you have to do is step back

and let her find her own way. Some will read at 4, others at 9...

some will walk at 9mos, others at 2yrs.... and they will all

be " normal " within their own genetic blueprint and " gem " etic

individuality.

My 12 dollars' worth!!! sorry for the long rant :-)

Suzy

London