Green Tea

[Guest guest]

This is absolutely great news. I copied both articles and will take

them to the oncologist appointment on Tuesday. Does anyone know the

dosage suggested at this point or has a dosage been remcommended?

Bonnie

Green Tea

Hi Folks - historically I have not been much of a believer of

alternative

medicine (with some exceptions: I take Naltrexone, Selenium, and

Turmeric).

However, the green tea issue has really been getting my attention.

We have been talking about green tea on this page.

Below is another interesting article.

Green Tea Component Destroys Leukemia Cells

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 05 - A component of green tea,

epigallocatechin

(EGCG), seems to destroy chronic lymphocytic leukemia cells by

interrupting a

key signaling pathway, according to a report in the March 2nd online

issue of

Blood.

" We're continuing to look for therapeutic agents that are nontoxic to

the

patient but kill cancer cells, and this finding with EGCG is an

excellent start, "

senior author Dr. Neil E. Kay, from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester,

Minnesota,

said in a statement. " Understanding this mechanism and getting these

positive

early results give us a lot to work with in terms of offering patients

with

this disease more effective, easily tolerated therapies earlier. "

In a previous report, Dr. Kay's team had shown that chronic lymphocytic

leukemia cells release vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) under

normal and

low oxygen conditions. Moreover, chronic lymphocytic leukemia cells are

also

known to express VEGF membrane receptors. Together, these findings

suggested

that VEGF was an important survival factor for chronic lymphocytic

leukemia cells.

In the new study, the researchers assessed the effect of EGCG on VEGF

signaling and chronic lymphocytic leukemia cell survival. As a known

receptor

tyrosine kinase inhibitor, EGCG could inhibit the phosphorylation of

VEGF membrane

receptors, thereby interfering with survival signals in chronic

lymphocytic

leukemia cells.

The authors found that VEGF made chronic lymphocytic leukemia cells more

resistant to apoptosis, a finding that was associated with the

phosphorylation of

VEGF membrane receptors. Treatment with EGCG suppressed this

phosphorylation,

resulting in caspase activation and leukemic cell death.

Although further studies are needed to clarify the mechanisms involved,

the

authors believe that given its relatively nontoxic nature, EGCG could

" be

tested in early stage high-risk individuals with B-cell chronic

lymphocytic

leukemia. "

Blood, March 2, 2004 online edition.

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[Guest guest]

It certainly sounds like it falls into the " Can't Hurt " catagory. A cup of tea

or two a day is not a huge life style change and might end up being life saving.

Worth the investment at the very least. Is there any information regarding

T-Cell ?

Sue Bunte

jb50192@... wrote:

Hi Folks - historically I have not been much of a believer of alternative

medicine (with some exceptions: I take Naltrexone, Selenium, and Turmeric).

However, the green tea issue has really been getting my attention.

We have been talking about green tea on this page.

Below is another interesting article.

Green Tea Component Destroys Leukemia Cells

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 05 - A component of green tea, epigallocatechin

(EGCG), seems to destroy chronic lymphocytic leukemia cells by interrupting a

key signaling pathway, according to a report in the March 2nd online issue of

Blood.

" We're continuing to look for therapeutic agents that are nontoxic to the

patient but kill cancer cells, and this finding with EGCG is an excellent

start, "

senior author Dr. Neil E. Kay, from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota,

said in a statement. " Understanding this mechanism and getting these positive

early results give us a lot to work with in terms of offering patients with

this disease more effective, easily tolerated therapies earlier. "

In a previous report, Dr. Kay's team had shown that chronic lymphocytic

leukemia cells release vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) under normal

and

low oxygen conditions. Moreover, chronic lymphocytic leukemia cells are also

known to express VEGF membrane receptors. Together, these findings suggested

that VEGF was an important survival factor for chronic lymphocytic leukemia

cells.

In the new study, the researchers assessed the effect of EGCG on VEGF

signaling and chronic lymphocytic leukemia cell survival. As a known receptor

tyrosine kinase inhibitor, EGCG could inhibit the phosphorylation of VEGF

membrane

receptors, thereby interfering with survival signals in chronic lymphocytic

leukemia cells.

The authors found that VEGF made chronic lymphocytic leukemia cells more

resistant to apoptosis, a finding that was associated with the phosphorylation

of

VEGF membrane receptors. Treatment with EGCG suppressed this phosphorylation,

resulting in caspase activation and leukemic cell death.

Although further studies are needed to clarify the mechanisms involved, the

authors believe that given its relatively nontoxic nature, EGCG could " be

tested in early stage high-risk individuals with B-cell chronic lymphocytic

leukemia. "

Blood, March 2, 2004 online edition.

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[Guest guest]

I don't see any reason why not except that room temperature or warmer

beverages are best for O's. You might try using fruit juice

concentrates, black cherry or cranberry for flavored teas. I buy

green teas blends. Tazo Zen & Tazo Green Ginger are good.

>

> Does green tea have the same medicinal qualities when cold as when

hot?

>

> Does anyone have any recipies for iced green tea?

>

> Thx, Trish

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Trish Waddell wrote:

>Does green tea have the same medicinal qualities when cold as when hot?

no, but ice is not necessarily the best for the stomach

>Does anyone have any recipies for iced green tea?

I make ice tea by making it about 1/3 stronger than usual, let it cool off in

refrig, and pour over ice.

^. .^ ~

" There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a heart. "

~ Lao Tzu ~

[Guest guest]

Thank you! I make it pretty weak, so that should be fine. The eat right 4

your baby book recommends against it, but it's very conservative, it

recommends against chocolate during pregnancy.

Green Tea

I've been told by doctor that up to 4 cups of green tea a day won't harm

pregnancy.

>

> I have noticed that I get more stressed when I eat carbs, and less

stressed

> when I drink green tea. Are there any herbal teas with the same

benefits?

> I'm planning a pregnancy and should probably avoid the caffeine once

that

> occurs. Does anyone know if twig tea, which is lower in caffeine, is as

> high in theonine?

>

> Thanks!

> - J

>

[Guest guest]

> I've been told by doctor that up to 4 cups of green tea a day won't

harm pregnancy.

Your doctor is right. Green tea has no known harmful side effects.

Rather, it's full of anti-oxidants, provides protection against a host

of killer diseases, reduces blood clotting factors (thus reducing the

risk of heart disease and strokes), kills the bacteria in your mouth

that causes plaque, and helps to reduce blood pressure.

The only possible thing I would be concerned about is that you do not

drink it before surgery. Why? It reduces clotting factors, meaning

your blood won't clot the way it normally would (and type 'O's' are

already lacking the number of clotting facters other blood types have)

and you risk internal bleeding or excess bleeding at the point of

incision. So, if you know you're going to have a ceasarian section

then stop drinking the tea about two weeks prior to the surgery.

Other than that, I'd say you're perfectly safe drinking the tea. It

will do both you and baby a whole lot of good. )

Kathy R.

[Guest guest]

crestlinelady wrote:

> Your doctor is right.

I agree with all this - and add that green tea actually has a caffeine

antagoist (destroys caffeine)....It's really good stuff! .....Irene

> Green tea has no known harmful side effects.

> Rather, it's full of anti-oxidants, provides protection against a host

> of killer diseases, reduces blood clotting factors (thus reducing the

> risk of heart disease and strokes), kills the bacteria in your mouth

> that causes plaque, and helps to reduce blood pressure............

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 12:21:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ccbouchard@... writes:

I've been told by doctor that up to 4 cups of green tea a day won't harm

pregnancy.

As long as it doesn't cause pregnancy.

[Guest guest]

surely, there is a morning after pill for those tea- intoxication occasions?

[Guest guest]

I mail-order my green tea by the pound from Simpson & Vail, kinda pricey

though. I like the organic Darjeeling Ambootia green the best.

Stash Tea carries this variety also.

Never noticed a skunky smell.

FWIW

Emmi

Re: Re: Rooibos tea or the tea he sells for 0's

So, can you'll name me a good brand of green tea?

[Guest guest]

I personally like Celestial Seasonings Green Tea with antioxidants. on the mild side but flavorful which is how I like it and I feel good afterwards.

[Guest guest]

Hi is,

I like www.dragonherbs.com

Gage

green tea

For you green tea connosieurs (spelling I know is off), what brands doyou recommend? Most of the stuff that comes in bags is anemic tastingand I find the Japanese green teas are a lot more satisfying than theChinese ones, but I am open to hearing what you think. The greatthing about green tea is how loaded with antioxidants it is, how itgives one a lift without making one jittery thanks to the theaninewhich is a calmant. I'd like to have a variety of green teas on handfor comparing so let's hear what you all have discovered. isRotella, M.A.c, Arnold, Md.............................................

[Guest guest]

I like Republic of Teas WHITE tea. It has less

caffeine and more antioxidants. You only brew it for

about 40 seconds. I keep reusing the teabag.

--- " G.T. " <aiyiyiy@...> wrote:

> Hi is,

>

> I like www.dragonherbs.com

>

> Gage

> green tea

>

>

>

>

> For you green tea connosieurs (spelling I know is

> off), what brands do

> you recommend? Most of the stuff that comes in

> bags is anemic tasting

> and I find the Japanese green teas are a lot more

> satisfying than the

> Chinese ones, but I am open to hearing what you

> think. The great

> thing about green tea is how loaded with

> antioxidants it is, how it

> gives one a lift without making one jittery thanks

> to the theanine

> which is a calmant. I'd like to have a variety of

> green teas on hand

> for comparing so let's hear what you all have

> discovered. is

> Rotella, M.A.c, Arnold, Md.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I too have taken green tea and ECGC in chocolate for almost nine months now. I

have seen

absolutely no indication of any benefit. If someone went from a WBC of 150,000

to 50,000 on green

tea I might be impressed. Otherise, all that I have read thus far is

inconclusive at best and

wishful thinking at worst.

The only supplement that might have had a benefit for me is a protein drink I

take which contains

beta glucan among almost every other vitamin and mineral you can think of . I

loaded up on the

stuff before my last maintenance dose of Rituxin, and my hemo/onc was suprised

at my white count.

Maybe there is a correlation. Who knows?

IG

--- swift_carolyn <swift_carolyn@...> wrote:

> My hemo-onc at Dana Farber told me that they have an on-going study of Green

Tea and

> Cancer (I'm not sure what kind) at Dana Farber, so we should have some

reliable news

> about it sometime. In the meantime, I'm drinking it and taking the extract

twice a day.

> Carolyn R. Swift, Providence, RI 02903, age 76, dx 9/04, IVIG, March and April

'05,

> asymptomatic except for cough and rash

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm glad you found something that works for you, Gretchen. I wish green

tea worked for me like that. It keeps me awake, I can't drink it after

10 am and I have to eat food first, if I drink it on an empty stomach I

shake! I guess we are all different.

I am thinking to try decaffientated green tea. How do they

decaffienate? Someone told me that if you brew the same leaves twice,

the second cup will have much less caffiene.

Good luck to you,

Tamara

--- wrote:

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:06:25 -0700

From: <mcpherson.bg@...>

Subject: green tea and sleep

I have a chronic problem with insomnia; I will wake up sometime between

12 and 3, and then lie awake for 2-4 hours. I used to think that as

long as I didn't have caffeine after 4 p.m., it wouldn't affect my

sleep.

I'm not so sure about that anymore. But in reading about green tea

(including some of your posts--thank you!), I found that it actually

has a tranquilizer among its components. So I have been experimenting

with

green tea, and so far I've had only good results from drinking a couple

of quarts of green tea throughout the day, right up until bedtime. When

I do that, I sleep very well. I even had some chocolate one evening

recently, and slept fine. The one night last week that I didn't sleep

well was after a day when I didn't take time for my green tea.

Gretchen

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In a message dated 5/19/2005 9:09:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

tamaratornado@... writes:

How do they

decaffienate?

With chemicals. Used to be per chlorate which is the strongest inorganic

acid. Great for destroying the liver. As long as they get all of the

perchlorate out, you have no problems. Another chance in " processing " where

they can

tell your family they're sorry they screwed up on your batch--LOL.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/19/2005 1:06:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kathymatthews@... writes:

I just heard the other day that most of the caffeine is released in the first

minute.

So you remove the tea bag at 1 min then brew a cup to drink.

There really isn't that much caffeine in green tea in the first place is

there?

[Guest guest]

That's the best bit isn't it ? - I need all the energy boosts I can get with my

kids and animals ! [G]

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[Guest guest]

> There really isn't that much caffeine in green tea in the first place is

> there?

Much less than black tea - like 20 where black has 60 or some such.

I'm a green tea fanatic it's all I drink all day. I use it weak and

re-use the teabag till it can't make the water into tea any more:-)

Different brands are nicer or worser.

Green tea has a substance in it that counters caffeine as well.

So I look for green tea WITH caffeine

There are 2 decaffeinating processes:

One involves soaking the caffeine (and the good things) out of the tea.

The other involves adding toxic chemicals to " remove " the caffeine (but

not the toxin).

IMO:

Keep the caffeine and the caffeine antagoniust and the good things like

theonine which counters cortisol stress hormone :-)

.....Irene

(been ill - will post when I can now and then.)

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Hope you're much better very soon, Irene.

take care

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[Guest guest]

) wrote:

> Hope you're much better very soon, Irene.

> take care

> )

>

Thanks so much and all you sent good wishes :-)

I'm getting better steadily.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

You need to let it sit bottled that way for a week or two.

I use ginger slices when I bottle, two 4 inch strips (like a flat noodle)

per 10oz bottle. After a month in the bottle they taste great.

Green Tea

Someone mentioned using ginger in their finished brew, I use it also.

I slice it and peel it, then dump about 4 slices in each jar. I don't

get very much of the ginger flavor though, would it be better if I

grated it like you would do in a recipe?

[Guest guest]

Judy. I'd suggest not cutting back on the amount of tea used

but to reduce the steeping time. Steep Green Tea for less

than one minute. If using whole leaf then crush/powder

before seeping and use a tea bag/ cheese cloth.

This will reduce the bitterness

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

Green Tea

Hi All,

So far I haven't had any problems with my brewing

techniques, thanks

to all of you:o) I brew for 7 days, that seems to work for

me and my

batches usually come out pretty good. The last batch I made

with more

green tea than black and the brew tasted like green apples,

a little

too tart for my taste. This last batch, which will be ready

Thursday,

I used only the black tea and hope it doesn't taste so

green. I plan

on going back to the green but not using quite as much.

Someone mentioned using ginger in their finished brew, I use

it also.

I slice it and peel it, then dump about 4 slices in each

jar. I don't

get very much of the ginger flavor though, would it be

better if I

grated it like you would do in a recipe?

Judy

[Guest guest]

Thank you Ed, I'll try that today.

>

>

> Judy. I'd suggest not cutting back on the amount of tea used

> but to reduce the steeping time. Steep Green Tea for less

> than one minute. If using whole leaf then crush/powder

> before seeping and use a tea bag/ cheese cloth.

>

> This will reduce the bitterness

>

> Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

> Acupuncture is a jab well done

> www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

>

> Green Tea

>

> Hi All,

> So far I haven't had any problems with my brewing

> techniques, thanks

> to all of you:o) I brew for 7 days, that seems to work for

> me and my

> batches usually come out pretty good. The last batch I made

> with more

> green tea than black and the brew tasted like green apples,

> a little

> too tart for my taste. This last batch, which will be ready

> Thursday,

> I used only the black tea and hope it doesn't taste so

> green. I plan

> on going back to the green but not using quite as much.

>

> Someone mentioned using ginger in their finished brew, I use

> it also.

> I slice it and peel it, then dump about 4 slices in each

> jar. I don't

> get very much of the ginger flavor though, would it be

> better if I

> grated it like you would do in a recipe?

>

> Judy

[Guest guest]

Hi Len,

I don't bottle my tea, I keep it in Sun Tea jars in the frige. I have

drank it after a week but don't seem to notice any difference in

flavor, maybe I'm not putting enough ginger in it. You said you use 4

slices for a 10 oz. bottle, I use 4 slices per gallon. I'll try using

more.

Thanks,

Judy

> You need to let it sit bottled that way for a week or two.

>

> I use ginger slices when I bottle, two 4 inch strips (like a flat

noodle)

> per 10oz bottle. After a month in the bottle they taste great.

>

> Green Tea

>

> Someone mentioned using ginger in their finished brew, I use it also.

> I slice it and peel it, then dump about 4 slices in each jar. I don't

> get very much of the ginger flavor though, would it be better if I

> grated it like you would do in a recipe?