Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 I know this was definitely not the case for me. Once I got my acid reflux problem stopped (by eating fewere acid-producing foods) my bowel function also normalized. I used to be chronically constipated. If I took betaine (or any other enzymes) my constipation would get worse. Now I no longer nned to be concerned about my bowels. So I think people need to be very careful about adding fuel to an already too hot fire. Best regards, Celeste Bill Kingsbury wrote: > I have read many times in the past 20 years that acid > reflux is caused by hypochloridia -- insufficient > hydrochloric acid production, resulting in incomplete > digestion and a misbehaving esophageal sphincter. > > This means reducing (neutralizing) acid is the WORST > thing to do. Not implying that a quick cure is > necessarily likely -- but it is certainly possible. > > If taking Betaine HCl with a meal doesn't make the > situation worse, chances are you are chronically > deficient. This is common, and increases with age. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 I avoid papaya. I find it constipating. And constipation can definitely aggravate acid reflux! So for me, papaya enzymes aggravate acid reflux. I still like my cure the best (actually, my doctor's cure). Best regards, Celeste 's wrote: > All my customers use chewable papya enzymes after each meal. Completely stifles the heartburn and acid reflux. > > Michele Deradune wrote: > Celeste, I can see that what you did was closer to getting rid of the cause > of the problem, and that's why it worked for you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 This is important information. Treating over-production as if it were under-production could result in very serious health problems. In fact, it could be fatal if there are already serious erosions. Best regards, Celeste Bill Kingsbury wrote: > Caution: The symptoms of over- and under-production of stomach > acid are virtually identical. Most doctors are easily fooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 a1thighmaster wrote: > This is important information. Treating over-production as if it were > under-production could result in very serious health problems. In > fact, it could be fatal if there are already serious erosions. Over production AND underproduction cause erosions. Both alkali excess and acid excess can and do cause chemical burning and damage. Most cases of " acid " burning are caused there is too little acid. Antacids cause too much acid actually: They initially destroy what little acid there is - but the body has feedback loops about that and it reacts to the fact that there is now WAY too little acid so it makes more. That may arrive when there is no food left to digest and so you now have real acid indigestion - and you take more antacid -= and the cycle repeats, getting worse with each dose of antacid. So knowing what is wrong is essential and it is almost impossible (almost) to have too much acid. If I had to guess I'd take apple cider vinegar as that is mild compared with stomach acid but will add acid where needed and stop the chemical burn from too little acid (or too much alkali. Alkali burns as much as acid! Oven cleaner lye is an example. A burning sensation does not prove excess acid (for more than one reason). Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 ....take how much apple cider vinegar? Re: Re: Acid reflux a1thighmaster wrote: > This is important information. Treating over-production as if it were > under-production could result in very serious health problems. In > fact, it could be fatal if there are already serious erosions. Over production AND underproduction cause erosions. Both alkali excess and acid excess can and do cause chemical burning and damage. Most cases of " acid " burning are caused there is too little acid. Antacids cause too much acid actually: They initially destroy what little acid there is - but the body has feedback loops about that and it reacts to the fact that there is now WAY too little acid so it makes more. That may arrive when there is no food left to digest and so you now have real acid indigestion - and you take more antacid -= and the cycle repeats, getting worse with each dose of antacid. So knowing what is wrong is essential and it is almost impossible (almost) to have too much acid. If I had to guess I'd take apple cider vinegar as that is mild compared with stomach acid but will add acid where needed and stop the chemical burn from too little acid (or too much alkali. Alkali burns as much as acid! Oven cleaner lye is an example. A burning sensation does not prove excess acid (for more than one reason). Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 If I remember right, about 1 T. three times a day is enough. You can put it in the food you eat, or drink it in a glass of water (but that is not very tasty). =P At 08:43 PM 9/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: >...take how much apple cider vinegar? > Re: Re: Acid reflux > > > > > a1thighmaster wrote: > > This is important information. Treating over-production as if it were > > under-production could result in very serious health problems. In > > fact, it could be fatal if there are already serious erosions. > > Over production AND underproduction cause erosions. > Both alkali excess and acid excess can and do cause chemical burning and > damage. > Most cases of " acid " burning are caused there is too little acid. > > Antacids cause too much acid actually: > They initially destroy what little acid there is - but the body has > feedback loops about that and it reacts to the fact that there is now > WAY too little acid so it makes more. That may arrive when there is no > food left to digest and so you now have real acid indigestion - and you > take more antacid -= and the cycle repeats, getting worse with each dose > of antacid. > > So knowing what is wrong is essential and it is almost impossible > (almost) to have too much acid. > If I had to guess I'd take apple cider vinegar as that is mild compared > with stomach acid but will add acid where needed and stop the chemical > burn from too little acid (or too much alkali. > > Alkali burns as much as acid! > Oven cleaner lye is an example. > > A burning sensation does not prove excess acid (for more than one reason). > > Namaste, > Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under > no circumstances should any information published here be considered a > substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I'll bet salad dressing home made even with other than apple cider vinegar would " count " ... Re: Re: Acid reflux > > > > > a1thighmaster wrote: > > This is important information. Treating over-production as if it were > > under-production could result in very serious health problems. In > > fact, it could be fatal if there are already serious erosions. > > Over production AND underproduction cause erosions. > Both alkali excess and acid excess can and do cause chemical burning and > damage. > Most cases of " acid " burning are caused there is too little acid. > > Antacids cause too much acid actually: > They initially destroy what little acid there is - but the body has > feedback loops about that and it reacts to the fact that there is now > WAY too little acid so it makes more. That may arrive when there is no > food left to digest and so you now have real acid indigestion - and you > take more antacid -= and the cycle repeats, getting worse with each dose > of antacid. > > So knowing what is wrong is essential and it is almost impossible > (almost) to have too much acid. > If I had to guess I'd take apple cider vinegar as that is mild compared > with stomach acid but will add acid where needed and stop the chemical > burn from too little acid (or too much alkali. > > Alkali burns as much as acid! > Oven cleaner lye is an example. > > A burning sensation does not prove excess acid (for more than one reason). > > Namaste, > Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under > no circumstances should any information published here be considered a > substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > If I remember right, about 1 T. three times a day is enough. You can put it > in the food you eat, or drink it in a glass of water (but that is not very > tasty). =P Or you can make it into salad dressing. I use lemon juice instead of vinegar. Lemon juice plus extra virgin olive oil plus powdered italian salad dressing spices = salad dressing to *prevent* the problem at meals. I use a little on vegetables - or on salad but I am not much for salad. (Type O blood does not do well on vinegar or apples) Idelle, I also have a hiatal hernia and used to have ulcers and Barretts oesophagus as well - it's pretty much under control now. My only problem left is the high dose potassium I have to take before bed, which can probably bore a mine shaft through anything in five minutes. I find that an hour before bed with three cups of green tea laced with vit C powder and ginger and 4 squares of dark chocolate does the trick. But to control all the reflux, acid etc issues and get my hiatal hernia to behave decently - I changed to a 100% compliant blood type diet - it made all the difference. Plus EVO 3 to 5 times a day with meals. EVO= Extra virgin olive oil - either in salad dressing as above or with the food or veg I am eating. That and plenty of fish oil caps. Add in an anti-inflammatory diet in general - See Dr Perricone's book on that " The Perricone Prescription " - combine with blood type diet, cut out the carbs and voila! When my hiatal hernia showed clearly on the last CT scan, my doc said " You never said you had a hernia " and I told her I had it " trained " so it was no hassle. Namaste, Irene Ps Where I'm located - see below. -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 It has to be apple cider vinegar (organic with a " mother " at the bottom). The other types of vinegar have acetic acid, which is a poison to the body. The a.c. vinegar is maleic acid. I have heard talk of red wine vinegar perhaps being all right, but nothing conclusive... At 08:59 PM 9/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I'll bet salad dressing home made even with other than apple cider vinegar >would " count " ... > Re: Re: Acid reflux > > > > > > > > > > a1thighmaster wrote: > > > This is important information. Treating over-production as if it were > > > under-production could result in very serious health problems. In > > > fact, it could be fatal if there are already serious erosions. > > > > Over production AND underproduction cause erosions. > > Both alkali excess and acid excess can and do cause chemical > burning and > > damage. > > Most cases of " acid " burning are caused there is too little acid. > > > > Antacids cause too much acid actually: > > They initially destroy what little acid there is - but the body has > > feedback loops about that and it reacts to the fact that there is now > > WAY too little acid so it makes more. That may arrive when there is no > > food left to digest and so you now have real acid indigestion - and you > > take more antacid -= and the cycle repeats, getting worse with each > dose > > of antacid. > > > > So knowing what is wrong is essential and it is almost impossible > > (almost) to have too much acid. > > If I had to guess I'd take apple cider vinegar as that is mild compared > > with stomach acid but will add acid where needed and stop the chemical > > burn from too little acid (or too much alkali. > > > > Alkali burns as much as acid! > > Oven cleaner lye is an example. > > > > A burning sensation does not prove excess acid (for more than one > reason). > > > > Namaste, > > Irene > > -- > > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one > doing it. > > > > > > > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but > under > > no circumstances should any information published here be considered a > > substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. > -the owner > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > It has to be apple cider vinegar (organic with a " mother " at the bottom). > The other types of vinegar have acetic acid, which is a poison to the body. > The a.c. vinegar is maleic acid. Sorry you are misinformed - Apple cider vinegar is still acetic acid:-)) All " vinegar " is acetic acid. Acetic acid gives a distinctive " vinegar " note, while citric acid gives a sharp, clean bite. The acid taste lingers with fumaric acid, but it dissipates quickly with citric. The acidity of malic acid builds slowly, but then lingers. ....... Specialty vinegars begin with specific raw materials that contribute characteristic flavors and colors: cider vinegar with a fruity flavor. ......... Vinegar strength commonly is measured in " grains. " In the United States, this refers to the percent acid times 10. For example, 100-grain vinegar contains 10% acetic acid, 90% water. Specialty vinegars like apple cider vinegar range from 40 to 100 grains of acetic acid. (Malic acid is usually used to make fumaric acid - an acid that is slow to dissolve but lasts long time - useful for bubblegum and such.) ...Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Apple cider vinegar is made by crushing apples and squeezing out the liquid. Sugar and yeast are added to the liquid to start the fermentation process, which turns the sugars into alcohol. In a second fermentation process, the alcohol is converted by acetic acid-forming bacteria into vinegar. Acetic acid gives vinegar its sour taste. Jim Re: Re: Acid reflux Michele Deradune wrote: > It has to be apple cider vinegar (organic with a " mother " at the bottom). > The other types of vinegar have acetic acid, which is a poison to the body. > The a.c. vinegar is maleic acid. Sorry you are misinformed - Apple cider vinegar is still acetic acid:-)) All " vinegar " is acetic acid. Acetic acid gives a distinctive " vinegar " note, while citric acid gives a sharp, clean bite. The acid taste lingers with fumaric acid, but it dissipates quickly with citric. The acidity of malic acid builds slowly, but then lingers. ....... Specialty vinegars begin with specific raw materials that contribute characteristic flavors and colors: cider vinegar with a fruity flavor. ......... Vinegar strength commonly is measured in " grains. " In the United States, this refers to the percent acid times 10. For example, 100-grain vinegar contains 10% acetic acid, 90% water. Specialty vinegars like apple cider vinegar range from 40 to 100 grains of acetic acid. (Malic acid is usually used to make fumaric acid - an acid that is slow to dissolve but lasts long time - useful for bubblegum and such.) ...Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > Lemon in the salad dressing is my favorite too, Irene. I don't suffer > acid reflux, though. What happens when you use vinegar? Have you tried > apple cider vinegar specifically? Vinegar (regardless what it is made from) causes irritation. So there's no point trying apple cider vinegar as both the vinegar aspect and the apples irritate type O blood group insides. I have quite severe indigestion after using either vinegar or apples. ....IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 That's really interesting. I'll have to check out that blood type book! At 11:08 PM 9/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Michele Deradune wrote: > > Lemon in the salad dressing is my favorite too, Irene. I don't suffer > > acid reflux, though. What happens when you use vinegar? Have you tried > > apple cider vinegar specifically? > >Vinegar (regardless what it is made from) causes irritation. So there's >no point trying apple cider vinegar as both the vinegar aspect and the >apples irritate type O blood group insides. I have quite severe >indigestion after using either vinegar or apples. > >...IRene > > >-- >Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no >circumstances should any information published here be considered a >substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I don't think there is any such thing as alkali excess when there is too little HCl being produced. The stomach is still an acid environment. It never goes alkali. Best regards, Celeste Irene de Villiers wrote: > Over production AND underproduction cause erosions. > Both alkali excess and acid excess can and do cause chemical burning and > damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 As will lemon (or any other citrus). Best regards, Celeste Irene de Villiers wrote: > Vinegar (regardless what it is made from) causes irritation. > > Michele Deradune wrote: > > Lemon in the salad dressing is my favorite too, Irene. I don't suffer > > acid reflux, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 a1thighmaster wrote: > I don't think there is any such thing as alkali excess when there is > too little HCl being produced. The stomach is still an acid > environment. It never goes alkali. On the contrary - acid is used to digest protein and alkali is used to digest plants. .....Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 a1thighmaster wrote: > I don't think there is any such thing as alkali excess when there is > too little HCl being produced. The stomach is still an acid > environment. It never goes alkali. On the contrary - acid is used to digest protein and alkali is used to digest plants. .....Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 a1thighmaster wrote: > As will lemon (or any other citrus). Lemon does not cause irritation tp type O - nor grapefruit. Orange does, it's too sugary. Sugar is a nsaty stuff. ....IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 LOL, Irene, the way you worded that was as if protein did not exist in plants. Being an aspiring vegan I am very aware of protein from plants. At 09:50 AM 9/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >a1thighmaster wrote: > > I don't think there is any such thing as alkali excess when there is > > too little HCl being produced. The stomach is still an acid > > environment. It never goes alkali. > >On the contrary - acid is used to digest protein and alkali is used to >digest plants. > >....Irene > >-- >Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no >circumstances should any information published here be considered a >substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > > LOL, Irene, the way you worded that was as if protein did not exist in > plants. Those are your words not mine. And the LOL comes across rude rather than funny. Perhaps that was intended. > Being an aspiring vegan I am very aware of protein from plants. Good then you will also know that the amount of protein (needing acid digestion) in most plants is negligible compared with the carbohydrate in there needing alkali digestion. You'll also know there is a lot more proportion of protein in foods like meat, fish and egg and that our bodies are not designed to be vegan despite that being a choice in our society. You'd also know there's a lot of protein in foods like meat, fish and egg and that the amount of carbohydrate (needing alkali digestion) in meat, fish and egg is negligible, unlike most plants. So my statement was reasonable for the protein/carb ratios. Perhaps it would have been clearer if I'd said protein needs acid for digestion and carbohydrate needs alkali. It's just hard to find significant carbohydrate anywhere besides plants, hence I used " plants " rather than carbs, since plants indeed induce an alkaline response on account of their carb content. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I'm so sorry Irene. I have foot in mouth disease this week. I respect and like you very much and did not mean to diss you. Actually after I wrote that I remembered that enzyme bottles are labeled that way -- plant enzymes, protein enzymes -- and that it was not at all unusual that you should have put it that way. I hope you will accept my apology. At 01:16 PM 9/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Michele Deradune wrote: > > > > LOL, Irene, the way you worded that was as if protein did not exist in > > plants. > >Those are your words not mine. And the LOL comes across rude rather than >funny. Perhaps that was intended. > > > Being an aspiring vegan I am very aware of protein from plants. > >Good then you will also know that the amount of protein (needing acid >digestion) in most plants is negligible compared with the carbohydrate >in there needing alkali digestion. You'll also know there is a lot more >proportion of protein in foods like meat, fish and egg and that our >bodies are not designed to be vegan despite that being a choice in our >society. > >You'd also know there's a lot of protein in foods like meat, fish and >egg and that the amount of carbohydrate (needing alkali digestion) in >meat, fish and egg is negligible, unlike most plants. >So my statement was reasonable for the protein/carb ratios. > >Perhaps it would have been clearer if I'd said protein needs acid for >digestion and carbohydrate needs alkali. It's just hard to find >significant carbohydrate anywhere besides plants, hence I used " plants " >rather than carbs, since plants indeed induce an alkaline response on >account of their carb content. > >Namaste, > Irene >-- >Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no >circumstances should any information published here be considered a >substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I'm so sorry Irene. I have foot in mouth disease this week. I respect and like you very much and did not mean to diss you. Actually after I wrote that I remembered that enzyme bottles are labeled that way -- plant enzymes, protein enzymes -- and that it was not at all unusual that you should have put it that way. I hope you will accept my apology. At 01:16 PM 9/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Michele Deradune wrote: > > > > LOL, Irene, the way you worded that was as if protein did not exist in > > plants. > >Those are your words not mine. And the LOL comes across rude rather than >funny. Perhaps that was intended. > > > Being an aspiring vegan I am very aware of protein from plants. > >Good then you will also know that the amount of protein (needing acid >digestion) in most plants is negligible compared with the carbohydrate >in there needing alkali digestion. You'll also know there is a lot more >proportion of protein in foods like meat, fish and egg and that our >bodies are not designed to be vegan despite that being a choice in our >society. > >You'd also know there's a lot of protein in foods like meat, fish and >egg and that the amount of carbohydrate (needing alkali digestion) in >meat, fish and egg is negligible, unlike most plants. >So my statement was reasonable for the protein/carb ratios. > >Perhaps it would have been clearer if I'd said protein needs acid for >digestion and carbohydrate needs alkali. It's just hard to find >significant carbohydrate anywhere besides plants, hence I used " plants " >rather than carbs, since plants indeed induce an alkaline response on >account of their carb content. > >Namaste, > Irene >-- >Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no >circumstances should any information published here be considered a >substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I'm so sorry, Irene. You deserve a public apology so I posted it on the net too. I think you are very intelligent, informed, and helpful.. I have learned much just from a few days of your posts. You are right, it was rude. I was wrong to post that, especially in that way. At 01:16 PM 9/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Michele Deradune wrote: > > > > LOL, Irene, the way you worded that was as if protein did not exist in > > plants. > >Those are your words not mine. And the LOL comes across rude rather than >funny. Perhaps that was intended. > > > Being an aspiring vegan I am very aware of protein from plants. > >Good then you will also know that the amount of protein (needing acid >digestion) in most plants is negligible compared with the carbohydrate >in there needing alkali digestion. You'll also know there is a lot more >proportion of protein in foods like meat, fish and egg and that our >bodies are not designed to be vegan despite that being a choice in our >society. > >You'd also know there's a lot of protein in foods like meat, fish and >egg and that the amount of carbohydrate (needing alkali digestion) in >meat, fish and egg is negligible, unlike most plants. >So my statement was reasonable for the protein/carb ratios. > >Perhaps it would have been clearer if I'd said protein needs acid for >digestion and carbohydrate needs alkali. It's just hard to find >significant carbohydrate anywhere besides plants, hence I used " plants " >rather than carbs, since plants indeed induce an alkaline response on >account of their carb content. > >Namaste, > Irene >-- >Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no >circumstances should any information published here be considered a >substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I'm so sorry, Irene. You deserve a public apology so I posted it on the net too. I think you are very intelligent, informed, and helpful.. I have learned much just from a few days of your posts. You are right, it was rude. I was wrong to post that, especially in that way. At 01:16 PM 9/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Michele Deradune wrote: > > > > LOL, Irene, the way you worded that was as if protein did not exist in > > plants. > >Those are your words not mine. And the LOL comes across rude rather than >funny. Perhaps that was intended. > > > Being an aspiring vegan I am very aware of protein from plants. > >Good then you will also know that the amount of protein (needing acid >digestion) in most plants is negligible compared with the carbohydrate >in there needing alkali digestion. You'll also know there is a lot more >proportion of protein in foods like meat, fish and egg and that our >bodies are not designed to be vegan despite that being a choice in our >society. > >You'd also know there's a lot of protein in foods like meat, fish and >egg and that the amount of carbohydrate (needing alkali digestion) in >meat, fish and egg is negligible, unlike most plants. >So my statement was reasonable for the protein/carb ratios. > >Perhaps it would have been clearer if I'd said protein needs acid for >digestion and carbohydrate needs alkali. It's just hard to find >significant carbohydrate anywhere besides plants, hence I used " plants " >rather than carbs, since plants indeed induce an alkaline response on >account of their carb content. > >Namaste, > Irene >-- >Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no >circumstances should any information published here be considered a >substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > I'm so sorry, Irene. Thanks Michele - I appreciate the friendly return to our posts, and the generous apology. I am also having a particularly stressful day. Let's call it water under the bridge and look forward okay? With thanks, Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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