Venting

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Geez .. what type of parents do these kids have, anyway? If I'd been

caught stealing stuff from ANYONE when I was a kid, I just know my parents

would have come up with a far more severe punishment (restitution) for me

than any police officer would have imposed. My parents would have made

sure I did it, too!

I thought they were overly strict at the time, and still do sometimes. I

can see where it is necessary, though.

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Unfortunately these boys parents tried to cover up for them. But the cops I

guess knew the boys and knew differently. We have had to call the cops on

them a few other times due to them trespassing across our lawn and such.

Ayosdi Waya

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Geez .. what type of parents do these kids have, anyway? If I'd been

caught stealing stuff from ANYONE when I was a kid, I just know my parents

would have come up with a far more severe punishment (restitution) for me

than any police officer would have imposed. My parents would have made sure

I did it, too!

I thought they were overly strict at the time, and still do sometimes. I

can see where it is necessary, though.

- Ela

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There's another "A" group??

in Oregon

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There are several "A" groups. This one is the largest and has been in place the longest. I have a group called Colorado Achalasia. I think we have 3 members...LOL I am trying to get people from Colorado together. has a Texas group too, or she did. I don't know if its still around.

JC

-----Original Message-----From: kathiode@... [mailto:kathiode@...]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:41 AMachalasia Subject: Re: VENTINGThere's another "A" group?? in Oregon

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I remember from your pix that you're looking pretty good already. From

what others have said, I think the progress is slower as you get leaner.

I'm in week 8 of challenge 2 and I feel the same as you. I don't know if

my pix will look any different, but something has to be going on!

Venting

Ok, so this is W12 of challenge " 2 " (if you don't count the ones in

2001) for me. I have to vent here... The first 6 weeks sucked --

eating wasn't pefect and I got sick, had a trip home, yadda, yadda.

The last 6 weeks have ROCKED! I've been eating perfectly all week

and taking really tame free days and haven't missed a workout. In

fact I've been working out on free day too.

Problem is... my BF% hasn't changed and the scale keeps going up (has

to be muscle gain or water retention). I see that I'm building more

muscle in my legs, so I know it's working. And I feel stronger and

stronger (increasing weights in everything) with every workout. I

just need to vent because my measurements haven't changed and I want

more of this yucky fat to burn off.

Thanks for reading.

-JB <who just keeps on truckin'>

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Thanks Shaun. I know I just need to be patient. The great thing is

that it really has become a lifestyle.

On a separate note, I'm hoping to get pregnant soon and I'm so afraid

I'll slip into my old habits or that once the baby is born, I won't

have the time to workout the way I do now. Or that during pregnancy

I'll lose a ton of muscle I've gained recently.

Guess I'll just have to *make* time. I know that I need to do this

for me, no matter what point I am in my life. BFL makes me feel so

good and I can't imagine life without it.

Thanks for your reply.

-JB

> I remember from your pix that you're looking pretty good already.

From

> what others have said, I think the progress is slower as you get

leaner.

> I'm in week 8 of challenge 2 and I feel the same as you. I don't

know if

> my pix will look any different, but something has to be going on!

>

> Venting

>

>

> Ok, so this is W12 of challenge " 2 " (if you don't count the ones in

> 2001) for me. I have to vent here... The first 6 weeks sucked --

> eating wasn't pefect and I got sick, had a trip home, yadda,

yadda.

> The last 6 weeks have ROCKED! I've been eating perfectly all week

> and taking really tame free days and haven't missed a workout. In

> fact I've been working out on free day too.

>

> Problem is... my BF% hasn't changed and the scale keeps going up

(has

> to be muscle gain or water retention). I see that I'm building

more

> muscle in my legs, so I know it's working. And I feel stronger and

> stronger (increasing weights in everything) with every workout. I

> just need to vent because my measurements haven't changed and I

want

> more of this yucky fat to burn off.

>

> Thanks for reading.

>

>

> -JB <who just keeps on truckin'>

>

>

>

>

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jb,

good luck getting pregnant! don't speculate now what will happen

during your pregnancy and afterward...just deal with it when it gets

here! I suspect that since bfl has already become a lifestyle for you

that you'll continue good eating habits during and after your

pregnancy. you can work out as long as you feel you can, adjusting

your weights as you go along. after the baby comes, that will be

your priority and you can start working out again gradually! don't

feel like you have to look like cyndi crawford during your pregnancy

and come home from the hospital in your pre-pregnancy jeans! you

probably don't have a personal trainer like celebrity moms so just

enjoy your blossoming body and the miracle of birth!

I've had six children and have gained about 35 pounds with each

pregnancy and eventually lost all of it afterwards, though sometimes

it took longer than other. pregnancy and early childhood is such a

short span of time in the grand scheme of things that would hate for

you to focus on the negative aspects of that time instead of all the

joys!! just my opinion!

steph

> > I remember from your pix that you're looking pretty good already.

> From

> > what others have said, I think the progress is slower as you get

> leaner.

> > I'm in week 8 of challenge 2 and I feel the same as you. I don't

> know if

> > my pix will look any different, but something has to be going on!

> >

> > Venting

> >

> >

> > Ok, so this is W12 of challenge " 2 " (if you don't count the ones

in

> > 2001) for me. I have to vent here... The first 6 weeks sucked --

> > eating wasn't pefect and I got sick, had a trip home, yadda,

> yadda.

> > The last 6 weeks have ROCKED! I've been eating perfectly all

week

> > and taking really tame free days and haven't missed a workout.

In

> > fact I've been working out on free day too.

> >

> > Problem is... my BF% hasn't changed and the scale keeps going up

> (has

> > to be muscle gain or water retention). I see that I'm building

> more

> > muscle in my legs, so I know it's working. And I feel stronger

and

> > stronger (increasing weights in everything) with every workout.

I

> > just need to vent because my measurements haven't changed and I

> want

> > more of this yucky fat to burn off.

> >

> > Thanks for reading.

> >

> >

> > -JB <who just keeps on truckin'>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks Steph! You're right -- I do need to get over the mental hump

and just enjoy it when it comes. I love knowing I have the

knowledge/tools/keys to getting into shape, so I know it's possible

to do so after having children. I think so many moms just don't know

how to do it. Thank goodness for BFL, right?!

> > Thanks Shaun. I know I just need to be patient. The great thing

> is

> > that it really has become a lifestyle.

> >

> > On a separate note, I'm hoping to get pregnant soon and I'm so

> afraid

> > I'll slip into my old habits or that once the baby is born, I

won't

> > have the time to workout the way I do now. Or that during

> pregnancy

> > I'll lose a ton of muscle I've gained recently.

> >

> > Guess I'll just have to *make* time. I know that I need to do

this

> > for me, no matter what point I am in my life. BFL makes me feel

so

> > good and I can't imagine life without it.

> >

> > Thanks for your reply.

> >

> > -JB

> >

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You can say that again, the progress IS slower as you get leaner(and

older, lol). I started this spring fatburning process back in March

(at least twelve weeks ago) and the meltdown has only started

happening in the last three weeks or so. I guess all the visceral

and intramuscular fat took a while to burn. Now that the

subcutaneous fat is coming off now it is much more obvious. And I'm

only talking 2-3% body fat here, nothing earth shattering. So hang

in there, you will see results.

Stasia

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,

There are a lot of pregnant women in the gym latley so I think you

can keep going at a slower pace if you feel up to it.

But I know how you feel. I am in need of some seriousness... Were in

the same boat, but it willhappen.

-- In , " Blamy "

<jennifer@m...> wrote:

> Thanks Shaun. I know I just need to be patient. The great thing

is

> that it really has become a lifestyle.

>

> On a separate note, I'm hoping to get pregnant soon and I'm so

afraid

> I'll slip into my old habits or that once the baby is born, I won't

> have the time to workout the way I do now. Or that during

pregnancy

> I'll lose a ton of muscle I've gained recently.

>

> Guess I'll just have to *make* time. I know that I need to do this

> for me, no matter what point I am in my life. BFL makes me feel so

> good and I can't imagine life without it.

>

> Thanks for your reply.

>

> -JB

>

[Guest guest]

,....

Thats kind of what I was trying to say in my other message. Learning to do

things another way is energy draining when you use to be able to do most things

with ease. I don't vent too much because it has been discouraged with some

people in my family. They have illnesses too, and they don't talk about it, and

don't really want to hear about my problems. So I've gotten use to keeping

things to myself. I don't think I brood about them, but so many times when I

have opened up some one usually tells me to count my blessings and stop

complaining. I don't look at it as complaining because I know how it feels to be

scared when you have lots of weird things going on in your body, and no one can

tell you how come.

Thanks for the encouragement,

Hugs, Jax

Kum wrote:

> I feel like it is one thing to give up, it is quite another to accept that

you may not be able to do things the same way.

> But....if you're feeling like you are down...instead of brooding, why not get

on the group and vent. Venting is strongly encouraged here. All of us

understand what it is like to feel discouraged, and just knowing that you have

150 some odd friends online who know exactly how you feel is very

> liberating.

>

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How are you holding up?

Do you still see the neurosurgeon in a week?

Keep us posted how it goes.

Take care,

Katrina :-)

> I have been really fatigued and tired for days now. I sleep all

> night, then throughout the day, still tired and sleep more. Its

> getting old. I feel like I am sleeping my life away. Everyone else

> around here has a life, doing their own things. While I sleep the

> fatigue off. They can go garden, play sports, bike ride, go

fishing,

> the swim pool.. Not me. I am too tired all the time. I am sick and

> tired of feeling this way. Tired of waiting around for docs

> appointments too. Tired of the pain, tired of it all.

[Guest guest]

> How are you holding up?

> Do you still see the neurosurgeon in a week?

> Keep us posted how it goes.

> Take care,

> Katrina :-)

>

>

Thought I was holding up pretty well. Its a challange not being able

to do much, when I am so used to doing so much, you know?

Yes, got the appointment next week with the neurosurgeon, will know

more then I suppose.

The neck did not hurt much, its mainly been the lower back. Now its

both. It hurts to even hold my head up.

Then I was on percocets 5/325's. My regular doc is having me try out

Ultracets. Just for a week, to see if it works better. I was taking

the percocets 2 at a time the last couple weeks, and asked her for

something stronger. The percocets no longer work, at the dosage

prescribed. She did give me the Ultracts in sample form, which saved

me some money. But they aint working. Taking flexeril also. Then I

have a cold, and when I cough, it causes the neck to hurt more. I am

just so tired and sleepy all the time. Could be the meds, or just

fatigue with Fibromyalgia.

How have you been doing?

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Forget about the nonsense with all the Docs, we all go though this and know how frustrating it is and LOL ,will continue to be. The Mommy's World is absolutely adorable...Smile Mommy and Enjoy !!!!!

CB's Granny

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Ann, is there any way you can change doctors to one who might have the idea

that you just might have a clue as to what will help your child? I was able

to change to one after the one the boys was seeing at the time, told me that

there was NOTHING that could be done for someone with autism. The doctor

Evan has now does not know anything about autism but she believes that I

have done the research and just might have a clue.

Betty

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Wrong to wail about this? Not in the least. What you said is repeated

by EMTs and ER physicians all around the country. It's made worse by

the lack of health insurance where the ER is used as a clinic to treat

minor illnesses. By law, the ER must treat everyone regardless of

ability to pay or seriousness of the illness or injury. Plus, some of

the ER patients are drug seeking indigents who fake illnesses. This is

a serious problem in the U.S. Although I'm glad that you voiced your

objections, I don't think that people like your neighbor understand the

problem.

Many many large cities have lost level 1 or level 2 trauma centers

because of the cost involved. ERs are money losing departments and in

places like Southern California, serves a large " undocumented alien "

population and low-wage uninsured people (like WalMart employees). I

don't know what it will take for the majority of the citizens to

recognize the health care crisis. I fear that if wide spread terrorist

attacks occur, our hospitals will be overwhelmed and unable to meet the

need.

Mike

On Aug 12, 2004, at 6:34 PM, Gail Forbes wrote:

> I am now know as a b---h to one person in our building.  I am

> furious.  This person called the ambulance because she thought she had

> a sinus infection because she had an earache!!!  I told her I was not

> happy with her calling an ambulance when she could have gotten a ride

> to the hospital if she needed it by 6 different people in the

> building!!  She then proceeded to tell me that the ambulances were

> coming in left and right because people can't breath in this humid air

> or had chest pains.  I nicely told her that I have had to call an

> ambulance for one time and could not get one right away because

> people like her call the ambulance with an earache!!!!

>  

> Am I wrong to get off the wall about this?  It is a waste of emergency

> equipment as I see it.

>  

> Gail

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

>

>

>

>

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hi gail,,,,,

nothing wrong with venting.... ive done it a number of times.....

not much you can do about it though.... lots of people just like

her all around us...

some of our socalled health care professionals dont help any either,,,, i

remember in pa i accidently took 40 units of r insulin instead of the

70/30. i called the nurses hotline and that was the first

thing they told me to do was call an ambulance.

40 miles from town and i let them talk me into it..... the

hospital er checked my sugar every half hour for 4 hours then kicked me

out....here i was 40 miles from home at 4 am with 30 bucks in my

pocket.....and a cab wanted 100 bucks to take me home..

needless to say i called the nurses hotline and vented on martha for

about 20 minutes.... i was insisting she get her ass to scranton

and drive me home.... i dont know why she hung up on

me....

lol

take a baseball bat and go out and beat a tree....works for me even with

the chf... by the way.... in rehab after my hip ,,,, in physical therapy

they made me walk twice a day with a walker.... i couldnt make 30

feet without my breath going under..... now i go outside 4

times a day and im already up to a bit over 600 feet before my breathing

becomes labored.... im going to bed my cardio to send me to

cardiac rehab after i recover from the next hip implant.

seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ya

bobby in missippi PS: you said a mouthful....but

you must know there is no way you could ever get a million people to

agree to anything let alone the whole country....thats whey the

politicians have everybody by the short hairs unless they have big

bucks

[Guest guest]

OK. You had a chance to vent and, hopefully, it relieved some pressure.

Now, sit back, grab a cup of tea or something relaxing and let me

respond a bit. RISG is here to share, support and uplift. What we do is

listen to each other vent, so you're in the right place. I generally do

not post much, unless I am having a rough patch or have something

specific to contribute, but I assure you that not a single day goes by

without my thanking God that I found this group and my praying that He

will touch and strengthen others who come here, including you.

You are not alone in what you are dealing with. I would encourage you

to stop drinking alcohol and find yourself a pain clinic to help you

manage. (That has been my saving grace!) A rheumatologist and counselor

or pastor are also good editions to your care team. You are absolutely

right to keep moving and not give in to the situation, but that does not

mean you should not take care of yourself in the process. In 1996, I

was told I'd probably be in a wheelchair within six months. NOT! So

far, I am still able to get around (even if I hobble sometimes) but it

has taken a LOT of work to keep doing so. Taking control of your life

is crucial so that you don't feel lost in the disease. You define who

you are, not the illness. Don't waste time being unproductively angry ~

I spent years there and I can tell you it only hurts you by consuming

your good self with bitterness. It is OK to cry, shout, rage and feel

sorry for yourself, but set a finite period of time for doing so, then

get motivated to do something about it.

You asked about our backgrounds and how we cope. I'm a sero-negative

spondy survivor (I love that phraseology!). When I was 17, I was

infected with a strain of cowpox (bacterial) and it has been a rough

road ever since, at least at times. When I was pregnant, my condition

deteriorated and I have not been well since. I just turned 41 and the

last 17 years have been difficult, at best. That is a kind

characterization.

My doctors seem to favor the diagnoses of undifferentiated

spondyloarthropathy, fibromyalgia and IBS. Let's see...symptoms...I get

ulcers in my mouth and nose, my joints are inflamed and my tendons

swollen and painful all over my body, particularly at the insertion

points to my joints. (Reiter's is usually more predominant on one side

or the other.) In fact, I've had the tendons in my hands lengthened in

order to uncurl my fingers. I've had 19 surgeries in the past 17 years

and may have to have additional ones in the future. I have chronic

colon spasms (IBS) with flares of gastroenteritis and ulcerative

colitis. I've had my gallbladder and tonsils removed, a

hysterectomy/oompherectomy (at age 36), my ears tubed (3x), a sinus

levage, and just about everything else you can imagine. My immune system

is non-existent and my organs are rapidly exiting the system. <LOL> I

keep joking that my appendix is the only spare part I have left but, in

fact, I have an enlarged spleen and I understand that I can survive

without that if I have to!

Within the past year, I've undergone a CT w/contrast, Endoscopy,

Colonoscopy, MRCP, biopsies, etc. I had a huge lump that came up

beneath my right breast (looked like a third breast). My liver enzymes

were elevated and both my spleen and liver were very enlarged. Add to

that a horrendous pain below my right shoulder blade and nausea and

vomiting 24/7. Turns out, I had shingles (2nd time) in my back, along

with stomach ulcers and a severely knotted colon. Scar tissue in my

abdomen has tied off three sections, forcing everything to come back up.

Waste and toxins were in my system, causing the liver/spleen issues and

joint pain that was unbearable. I was taking morphine and that didn't

touch it. Finally an excellent gastroenterologist found out what it all

was. By the way, the " third breast " was actually my colon ~ it had

twisted up so badly that it climbed up in my abdominal cavity and

separated my ribs from the sternum (more pain). I honestly thought I

had a tumor and was dying. Sometimes it seems as if the things that are

wrong outweigh the things in life that are right. I know this is not

truly the case, but it is hard not to be discouraged at times. RISG has

been a God-send from the standpoint of providing support and

information. The folks here really can and do relate when our spouses,

children, etc. can't understand where we are coming from, why we can't

do the things we used to do and why we get so angry about it.

It is my theory and practice that our conditions must be managed from

multiple angles. I began going to a pain clinic about 3.5 yrs. ago and

it has given me my life back from the standpoint that I can function in

my day-to-day activities. Life as I knew it is gone, but the life I'm

living can be and is good. MANAGEMENT is key! Meds are not the only

course of treatment, but they are a good one. I've also used

acupuncture, massage and counseling as integrative therapies. The

process of regulating medication is trial and error. Since my first

symptoms at age 17, I've tried almost every kind of muscle relaxant and

arthritic medication available. Sulfasalazine worked well for several

years, but eventually ran out of steam. Enbrel did the same thing. I've

found that the best course of action is to have one doctor coordinate

all of my medications, particularly one who is willing to try different

types and amounts, tweaking them until it works as well as possible. I

could give you a list of meds I've tried and what I'm now taking, but

Rick really would cut that post due to length. <VBG> I'd be happy to

discuss that with you off-list if you'd like. Sometimes it helps to see

what works for others. Hopefully you will take the time and energy to

explore available options.

I also suggest a pet if you do not have one. (You will find many of us

at RISG have companion animals.) My dogs are not only part of the

family, but also a big part of my healthcare. It is very soothing to

get a big ole hound dawg stretched out beneath one's feet or hands (in

my case, both). (The saggy eyes of a Basset Hound look mighty

empathetic when I'm in a lot of pain.) When I was recovering from

having the tendons in my hands lengthened, the orthopaedist wanted to

send me to physical therapy. She was astounded when I went back post-op

and had the range of motion that I did. I laughed and asked if she

thought that a few stitches and bandages were going to stop the

four-legged children from demanding belly rubs and ear tickles.

Seriously though, it helped tremendously to keep me flexing and moving

my hands.

I've taken far more time and said more than I intended, so I beg your

indulgence. I hope I have encouraged you not to be a victim of

circumstances and let you know that YOU CAN rise above them. Bad things

happen to good people but how we cope is up to us. Read, research,

explore, question and then do it all again and again. My faith, my

family, my doctors, my dogs, RISG ...all gifts in my life for which I am

truly thankful. Count blessings not problems.

To the rest of you wonderful people on the list, keep me and my family

in your prayers. As you know, my dad is taking his 6th round of chemo

for CLL. He just came out of the hospital from a pneumonia bout and my

husband was laid-off from his position of 16 years on Monday. (It can

always get worse.) As always, you are all in my own prayers and in my

heart. This Thanksgiving, I will be remembering each of you as special

blessings in my life and I thank God for you.

With warmest regards,

(NC)

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Dear ,

I just want you to know that you have made a truly wonderful statement in

your reply! I could have NEVER of said it better; not even close. You

touched me deeply with what you said.

Know that you and your family are still & always in my prayers!

Love ya,

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Imagine trying everything out of love for your children and having someone

come up and tell you it's what you are doing that's causing the problem.

Just actually having the guts to confront that possibility is very hard for

many people. some people will continue doing that thing because they cannot

imagine or face that they might have made things worse. It's a sticky

situation to educate people about this stuff for sure.

I don't know if many of you are aware of how SSRIs effect the lives of

children. I read and post to boards where children's " mental health "

issues are discussed. So very many of the children whose parents post

to those boards are taking SSRIs. Many parents keep trying to help

their children, evidenced by the fact that they keep dragging them to

the psychaitrists who are prescribing the SSRIs. Most of these

parents are desperate to help their children and most are very

resistent to any suggestion that their doctors are wrong and that the

meds are hurting their children. In fact, some will react with great

hostility to anyone who suggests that the treatment is the biggest

problem.

Most of these children are violent and distructive, threatening or

hurting the mother and other siblings. Go through the list of adverse

reactions to SSRIs and these kids have every single one of them. Yet

no one will look at the SSRI

But what disturbs me the most are the parents who have come to hate

their children and will do anything to get them out of their lives --

send them to live with the non-custodial parent, have them arrested

and sent to juvenile facilities, enroll them in residental treatment

programs, and even sign away parental rights and turn them over to the

state. I would guess that 75% of those kids are taking SSRIs, which

the doctors assure the parent the child needs and things would be even

worse if the child didn't take them. HOW MUCH WORSE COULD THE CHILD

BE??? Every one of these children is worse with treatment than

before. Connect the dots, folks!

I see this every few days on one board or the other. It is so sad.

And for those (not the people here) who care only about the bottom

line in all this, the cost to society -- taxpayers, insurance

companies, etc. -- is enormous.

[Guest guest]

>I do not get it. I commented about the negativity and bad mouthing of a relative, how that is not good for one's health and staying positive is better, creates a better living environment than stress. <

Bonnie,

Your comments about your own parents and relatives were very negative. You may not express that usually in groups but the fact you have no relationship with them is so sad, and how can you say you are positive?

[Guest guest]

Thank you for taking the time to post this message, . I've had

a few moments where I shed a few tears, and felt somewhat taken for

granted, but I immediately broke up that pity party and moved on. I

no longer have time to worry or stress over the actions of other

people. I allow myself no more than an hour to have a pity party,

after that, I move on, and put it in the past.

>

> I read to the end. I am proud of you going past the first request

and standing firm.

>

> That is one of my favorite things to live by..... we teach people

how to treat us and this is a prime example of exactly that.

>

> It is also good to see that you know it is them with the problem

and not you!!

>

> Keep up the good work!

>

>

>

>

> I have so many more examples like this, not necessairly about

money,

> >

> > but other things, and I'm not sure if I should be angry, hurt,

or

> > embarassed. I do realize that we train people how to treat us,

so my

> >

> > job is going to be a difficult one. If you read this far, thank

> > you...just venting...and getting it off my chest.

> >

>

>

>

>

**~~W~~**

>

> Work hard

~~Play harder

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Hi , when you were talking about what your son said about killing

himself while he still believes in God, it brought back memories of

Bre , cause that is how she use to talk! She still can come up with

the most unbelievable worries! It still amzazes me where her mind

takes her. Hang in there and post any time you need to!

Sandy

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> My child got all upset today because I didn't do what his ocd need

me

> to do, which I didn't even realize he wanted me to do anything, and

> then it was to late. He thought that might make him stop believing

in

> God. He then suggested that if he killed him self now while he

> believes in God then he for sure would go to heaven and wouldn't

have

> to worry about not believing in the future. Well, I just don't know

> what to do anymore. So I just laid right into him about his fear of

> not believing being ocd and nothing more. I feel so desperate for

> help and there is nobody here to help me. At least not for the next

2

> or 3 months. Just wanted to vent.

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