Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

[Guest guest]

So what your saying is that is if a person continues on the Atkins diet they

will eventually gain weight?

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

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> not

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

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> Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

> can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

> your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

>

> Regards,

>

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>> trishruk<trishruk>

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>> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

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>> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

>> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

>> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

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>> Trish

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[Guest guest]

that is what the research has shown. along with increasing their risks of heart

dz; and renal dz and nutritional imbalances and deficincies.

From: Crystal

Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:12 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

So what your saying is that is if a person continues on the Atkins diet they

will eventually gain weight?

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or

> not

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

>

> Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

> can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

> your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

> .

>

>>

>> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

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com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

> s%20or%20not>

>> trishruk<trishruk>

>>

>>

>> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

>> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

>> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>>

>> Trish

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[Guest guest]

I lost weight on Atkins and maintained it for over 10 years. Then my life

radically changed and I didn't stay on maintenance and went back to eating

anything I felt like and then I did

gain weight. However, that happens with any diet, Weight Watchers, Craig,

Sugar Busters, Calorie Restrictions, all of them.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@...>

> Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or

> not

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

>

> Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

> can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

> your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

> .

>

>>

>> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

>

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

> s%20or%20not>

>> trishruk<trishruk>

>>

>>

>> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

>> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

>> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>>

>> Trish

>>

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[Guest guest]

we had patients that continued on the " diet " with their maintenance program and

over time gained back all the weight, despite out misgivings that they were on

the " diet " in the first place. Then we started hearing about the same results

from other providers all over the country who had similar results with their

patients through hearing about it at medical conferences, so after awhile I and

people I work with lost faith in the Atkins plan and especially after having

several patients develop renal failure on the plan.

Look if it works for you great, but plz be aware of the potential pitfalls to

this plan because it can have serious consequences for your overall health. High

protein diets are not healthy on a long term basis, because of the stress that

it puts the kidneys through. You have to be very careful about the meats you eat

as well and eat organic to avoid the hormones, antibiotics and high fat diets

that factory farmed animals live through. Avoid high fat meats.

I also don't believe in diets because my experience is that none of them work on

a long term basis. once you go off of them the weight eventually comes back. the

trick is to eat less and move more. Eat 5 servings of veggies and fruit a day.

The only " diet " that has shown any long term success is the " Mediterranean

Diet " , which is to eat Mediterranean based foods. it is not really a diet per

say but a switch in eating habits for the long term.

Like I posted earlier the latest research that came out last year was that

overall none of the commercial diets that were studied on a long term basis

really worked and that the evidence that came out of these long term studies

showed that one has to eat less and move more and that portion control is

another key. .

Overall, the best approach to wt. loss is to Only increase your Lean protein

intake to 15-30% based on body size; eat healthy fats in small amounts; and eat

carbs in their Natural state.

I will try and find a link to the study I mentioned that stated the overall

results is eat less move more.....

From: Crystal

Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:12 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

So what your saying is that is if a person continues on the Atkins diet they

will eventually gain weight?

CW

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[Guest guest]

Really! Weight gain is caused by calories in being greater than

calories used. If someone was on a diet that supplied less calories

than were being used by the body, then they would loose weight until

they reached equilibrium. If the diet is permanent, then they won't

suddenly start gaining weight without adding the necessary calories to

exceed metabolic maintenance needs.

So, your simple statement " Nope that isn't the case. " is illogical.

Steve

On 1/2/2010 12:50 AM, nancie barnett wrote:

> Nope that isn't the case.

>

>

> From: Crystal

> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:34 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or not

>

>

>

> I can't help but to think that the reason the weight loss wasn't permanent

> was because the diet wasn't either.?

> CW

>

> -- Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

> or not

>

> Nancie your experience could be true, but you possibly were not made privy

> to all the circumstances. I have known people on the Atkins diet that were

> sensible and kept their intake of protein and fat and fiber (after 1st two

> weeks) reasonable and balanced, and never had trouble with their kidneys. On

> the other hand I've known people on that diet that either thought it was a

> license to eat a whole cow every day, or eat all the fat on a whole cow

> every day. Neither of these approaches is advocated by Dr. Atkins, whose

> offices I personally visited. I went through the most thorough testing any

> doctor every did for my problems. He not only prescribes for the thyroid

> disease (by the way he used Armour) but he also tests for and treats adrenal

> problems and whatever else too. He even gives you a psychological test to

> make sure your head is on straight. I found him to be an extremely

> knowledgeable and committed physician, and his premises to be sound. I lost

> 40

> pounds in 4 months, and then went on maintenance, and kept the weight off

> for over ten years.

>

> It wasn't until I moved out of state and doctors started lowering my thyroid

> medication that I started to put weight on again. That, and also stopping

> HRT after the nurses study contributed to that too.

>

> As for the Atkins Diet or any diet for that matter, I think that they are

> only as good as the dieter. Some diets are better for the type of metabolism

> of some people and other diets are more suited to other types of metabolism.

> Like anything else, nothing is one size fits all.

>

>

>

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>> hmm well obliviously atkins works for you. great. everyone is different. I

> personally do not like atkins because I have had patients go into renal

> failure on atkins because of all the protein that you are eating. just be

> careful about that. Also, the other problem I have noticed is that the

> weight loss is not long term.

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[Guest guest]

, this is untrue.

Steve

On 1/2/2010 6:27 AM, nancie barnett wrote:

> that is what the research has shown. along with increasing their risks of

heart dz; and renal dz and nutritional imbalances and deficincies.

>

>

> From: Crystal

> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:12 AM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or not

>

>

>

> So what your saying is that is if a person continues on the Atkins diet they

> will eventually gain weight?

> CW

>

> -- Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

> or not

>

> Nancie your experience could be true, but you possibly were not made privy

> to all the circumstances. I have known people on the Atkins diet that were

> sensible and kept their intake of protein and fat and fiber (after 1st two

> weeks) reasonable and balanced, and never had trouble with their kidneys. On

> the other hand I've known people on that diet that either thought it was a

> license to eat a whole cow every day, or eat all the fat on a whole cow

> every day. Neither of these approaches is advocated by Dr. Atkins, whose

> offices I personally visited. I went through the most thorough testing any

> doctor every did for my problems. He not only prescribes for the thyroid

> disease (by the way he used Armour) but he also tests for and treats adrenal

> problems and whatever else too. He even gives you a psychological test to

> make sure your head is on straight. I found him to be an extremely

> knowledgeable and committed physician, and his premises to be sound. I lost

> 40

> pounds in 4 months, and then went on maintenance, and kept the weight off

> for over ten years.

>

> It wasn't until I moved out of state and doctors started lowering my thyroid

> medication that I started to put weight on again. That, and also stopping

> HRT after the nurses study contributed to that too.

>

> As for the Atkins Diet or any diet for that matter, I think that they are

> only as good as the dieter. Some diets are better for the type of metabolism

> of some people and other diets are more suited to other types of metabolism.

> Like anything else, nothing is one size fits all.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>> hmm well obliviously atkins works for you. great. everyone is different. I

> personally do not like atkins because I have had patients go into renal

> failure on atkins because of all the protein that you are eating. just be

> careful about that. Also, the other problem I have noticed is that the

> weight loss is not long term.

--

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On 1/1/2010 9:16 PM, nancie barnett wrote:

> Roni- and steve-

> I NEVER stated anything about calorie restriction. I don't believe in calorie

restriction.

This is not religion - no " belief " involed. While we haven't been

discussing calorie restriction at all, calorie restrict extends lifespan

and improves markers of health, it has nothing to be do with high carb

or low carb diets. One can practice calorie restriction using either

diet with trade offs in which benefits one gets.

On the other hand, the words might have been used with respect to lower

calorie intake below metabolic needs in order produce weight loss.

> The problem with high protein diets is that the increase in protein intake

puts a excessive load on the Kidneys. that is a fact that has been proven over

and over again.

Again, this is completely untrue and your advocacy will cause health

decreases in anyone who follows your advice. The instances of protein

caused kidney disease is practically non-existent in the body building

community which has been consuming very very very high protein diets for

50 years.

> At many medical conferences that I attend there is always a section on

nutrition and diets and the Atkins diet and all those other diets I posted

always get slammed via medical studies. The latest research shows that the only

thing that really works is Eat Less and Move More. ergo eat a well rounded

healthy diet with all food grps represented and eat in moderation and you must

exercise everyday for at least 30 minutes a day working up to an hour a day.

Then produce the long term studies on the Atkins diet, perhaps 5 or 10

year studies! See if you can find ANY such studies that you claim are

being bandied about in medical conferences that YOU have attended. What

you will find is that people who conduct said studies for shorter

periods of time often say, " We were surprised at the benefits of the a

low carb diet but we're sure they will go away when long term studies

are conducted " but then the proceed to NEVER conduct such studies.

Steve

> From: Roni Molin

> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:51 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or not

>

>

>

> I concur with Steve's remarks. When I was on the Atkins diet I was not hungry

as there was always something I could eat that was allowed. On calorie

restriction diets I found that I was hungry much of the time.

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