Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

December 30, 2009

This is a quote from one of the Cleveland Clinic's articles.

Read the ingredients list on food labels, and limit foods that contain any of

the following words (all simple sugars) as the first few ingredients:

Sucrose

Glucose

Fructose

Corn syrup

Maltose

Honey

Molasses

High-fructose corn syrup

Naturally occurring sugars, when eaten in excess, can also raise your

triglyceride level.

Here is the link to the whole thing:

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/nutrition/triglycerides.aspx

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

> good for you unless you're starving.

>

> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

> the fat would go first.

>

> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

> .

>>

>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>>

>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>>

>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>>

>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>>

>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>>

>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

>> that aid in digestion.

>>

>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>>

>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>>

> .

> Luck,

>

> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

> sorry for the dup messages.

--

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December 30, 2009

Yes fruits are simple carbs and I'd rather my kids eat fruit than candy for

the other health benefits of it I think both simple and complex end up

as glucose that the body uses for energy.

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

Both simple and complex carbs turn into glucose. The body digests simple

carbs (fruit, candy etc) quicker than complex carbs (whole grains, etc). SO

the quicker the body digests it the higher the glycemic index. That's the

reason they suggest complex carbs more than simple.

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

December 30, 2009

The only difference between fruit juice and fruit (besides being

pasteurized) is the fiber content. Once the fruit is juiced, it loses its

fiber content.

In terms of juice, if you're trying to lose weight, choose whole fruit over

fruit juices. Fruit juice contains less fiber so it’s not as filling as

whole fruit and it’s more concentrated in sugars. When you do choose juice,

a serving size is 4 ounces (1/2 cup).

http://www.cherylforberg

com/blog/2009/03/from-the-biggest-loser-nutritionists-mailbag.html

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

This is true . Last week when I went in to see my midwife she told me

there were ketones in my urine which means my body was breaking down stored

proteins to use for energy. The brain sometimes doesn't know the difference

between hunger or thirst. IOW my body was using proteins instead of glucose

because it was wither hungry or thirsty or both.

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

good for you unless you're starving.

Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

the fat would go first.

There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

..

>

> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>

> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>

> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>

> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>

> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>

> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

> that aid in digestion.

>

> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>

> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>

..

Luck,

PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

sorry for the dup messages.

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

> >

> > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my

> > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly

> > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with

> > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd

> > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy

> > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with

> > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with

> > basal temp follow-ups.)

December 30, 2009

Everything ends up as glucose for energy. It's the only thing your body can

burn. The point of differentiating simple and complex carbs is how they are

digested. The complex carbs have to go through a process to turn them into

simple carbs and then into glucose, whereas the simple carbs turn into glucose

directly, and metabolise faster, and raise your blood sugar faster. Diabetes is

one of the scourges of society, and trying to keep your body from becoming

diabetic is very important. I have been very lax about this lately because of

all the other crap I've been dealing with, but I have to go back to the low carb

way of eating.

Â

Every time I go onto Atkins, I lose about 40 pounds in 4 months, with no hunger.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry.Â While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

>Â Â Â Â Â Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>Â Â Â Â Â <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

>Â Â Â Â Â trishruk <trishruk>

>

>Â Â Â Â Â Â Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

Very interesting Steve. I've always heard that ketones are a toxin released

by the body when it's not getting enough food or water.

CW

-- Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or not

If one stops eating carbs cold turkey, the liver will deliver glycogen

to compensate as it does between means. However, once the sugar runs

out, the body will start processing fats and go into ketosis. The brain

works perfectly well in ketosis, in fact I believe it works better.

There are a couple of benefits to ketosis and I think that paleo man

live in ketosis part of every year. One is that while ketosis is less

efficient at using the calories in fat, the energy that is extracted

takes less oxygen within the metabolism process resulting in lower

exhales of Co2 and higher tissue oxygen saturation, a very positive

thing. Additionally, after one cuts back on carbs, insulin levels in

the blood start dropping and once they get below a certain threshold and

stay there, hunger generally goes away. People that go on a very

low-carb or no carb diet can we go through a period of feeling bad,

sometimes cloudy thinking, and generally symptoms of withdrawal. Once

that is past energy levels become significant and thinking becomes

clearer. I've seen this result reported over and over again from people

that start up a paleolithic diet with an emphasis towards the low-carb.

The shakeout period with withdrawal symptoms going from high carb

low-carb takes several days to two weeks.

The body can indeed convert protein to glucose so that if one goes on a

low carb diet, they need to replace carbs with fats or they may miss

some of the benefits of low carb. Eating too much protein will increase

glucose levels but the rise is much slower than consuming carbs.

Steve

On 12/29/2009 10:01 PM, wrote:

> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

> good for you unless you're starving.

>

> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

> the fat would go first.

>

> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

> .

>>

>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>>

>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>>

>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>>

>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>>

>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>>

>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

>> that aid in digestion.

>>

>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>>

>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>>

> .

> Luck,

>

> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

> sorry for the dup messages.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

December 30, 2009

I know that. that concept it is basic organic chemistry.......learned in high

school

From: Crystal

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:55 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Both simple and complex carbs turn into glucose. The body digests simple

carbs (fruit, candy etc) quicker than complex carbs (whole grains, etc). SO

the quicker the body digests it the higher the glycemic index. That's the

reason they suggest complex carbs more than simple.

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

December 30, 2009

exactly. obliviously the person who wrote the article knows the difference

between fruit juice and an individual piece of fruit. That is my point that

fruit has fiber in it whx classifies it as complex. Simple carbs do not have

Fiber in them, Complex carbs do, AFAIK I am Not saying they all have the Same

amount of fiber in them, but Most of them have some, with the exception of

melons, IB. It is more healthy to eat a diet that is rich in fruits , veggies

and whole grains. I also am not saying that you have to eat bread everyday of

the week, but you should have several servings of Complex Carbs every day as the

food pyramid shows. Brown rice is always better than white rice; whole wheat

breads is better than white breads; etc.

From: Crystal

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:59 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

The only difference between fruit juice and fruit (besides being

pasteurized) is the fiber content. Once the fruit is juiced, it loses its

fiber content.

In terms of juice, if you're trying to lose weight, choose whole fruit over

fruit juices. Fruit juice contains less fiber so it's not as filling as

whole fruit and it's more concentrated in sugars. When you do choose juice,

a serving size is 4 ounces (1/2 cup).

http://www.cherylforberg

com/blog/2009/03/from-the-biggest-loser-nutritionists-mailbag.html

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

it could also mean starvation; and pre-diabetes, bulimia and alcohol use

disorders. how much ketones were in your urine? it is not normal to have ketones

in your urine.

your midwife should know that....

From: Crystal

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:05 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

This is true . Last week when I went in to see my midwife she told me

there were ketones in my urine which means my body was breaking down stored

proteins to use for energy. The brain sometimes doesn't know the difference

between hunger or thirst. IOW my body was using proteins instead of glucose

because it was wither hungry or thirsty or both.

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

good for you unless you're starving.

Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

the fat would go first.

There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

..

>

> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>

> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>

> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>

> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>

> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>

> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

> that aid in digestion.

>

> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>

> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>

..

Luck,

PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

sorry for the dup messages.

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

> >

> > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my

> > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly

> > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with

> > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd

> > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy

> > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with

> > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with

> > basal temp follow-ups.)

December 30, 2009

hmm well obliviously atkins works for you. great. everyone is different. I

personally do not like atkins because I have had patients go into renal failure

on atkins because of all the protein that you are eating. just be careful about

that. Also, the other problem I have noticed is that the weight loss is not long

term.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:08 AM