Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I think pregnancy for hypos can be really weird. After 3 miscarriages and after adopting a child I suddenly found myself pregnant for the 4th time. Because of my history the doctor said he would do nothing heroic to save the pregnancy if miscarriage threatened again. I had no problems till the 7th month when my blood pressure shot up, and he insisted I get someone to care for my toddler son or he would put me in the hospital till I delivered. Well I got someone to look after my son during the day and all was fine. I delivered on time, and the baby was fine. He was 6-1/2 pounds, and I had only gained 5 pounds. It was the only time in my life that I ate whatever I wanted and didn't gain a lot of weight. Within a month, after delivery, I was two sizes smaller than when I started. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 6:42 PM My glucose was fine. I was either hungry or thirsty -- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really good for you unless you're starving. Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect the fat would go first. There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search: .. > > > *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** * > > > *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a > major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy > for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells. > > > *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?* > > * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function. > > * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*. > > * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract > that aid in digestion. > > * They assist in body's absorption of calcium. > > * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure. > .. .. Luck, PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so sorry for the dup messages. .. .. .. > > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@gmail com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp s%20or%20not> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) > > > > > > Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a > regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss > would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. > > Trish > > > > > > > > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my > > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly > > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with > > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd > > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy > > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with > > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with > > basal temp follow-ups.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 well that is good news. From: Crystal Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:42 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not My glucose was fine. I was either hungry or thirsty -- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really good for you unless you're starving. Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect the fat would go first. There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search: .. > > > *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** * > > > *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a > major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy > for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells. > > > *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?* > > * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function. > > * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*. > > * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract > that aid in digestion. > > * They assist in body's absorption of calcium. > > * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure. > .. .. Luck, PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so sorry for the dup messages. .. .. .. > > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@gmail com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp s%20or%20not> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) > > > > > > Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a > regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss > would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. > > Trish > > > > > > > > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my > > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly > > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with > > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd > > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy > > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with > > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with > > basal temp follow-ups.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I've lost 3 lbs this pregnancy. I am 18 weeks now The last time I had ketones it was with baby #2, but the ketones didn't come until month 8. I swear that is why he was an 8 lb baby. He was getting nothing but protein for nutrition CW -- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really good for you unless you're starving. Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect the fat would go first. There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search: .. > > > *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** * > > > *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a > major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy > for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells. > > > *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?* > > * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function. > > * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*. > > * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract > that aid in digestion. > > * They assist in body's absorption of calcium. > > * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure. > .. .. Luck, PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so sorry for the dup messages. .. .. .. > > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@gmail com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp s%20or%20not> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) > > > > > > Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a > regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss > would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. > > Trish > > > > > > > > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my > > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly > > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with > > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd > > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy > > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with > > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with > > basal temp follow-ups.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Ketones are produced by metabolizing fats for energy. Protein is used for energy by a process that produced glucose and it's the glucose that is used for energy. Steve > From: Crystal > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:05 AM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not > > > > This is true . Last week when I went in to see my midwife she told me > there were ketones in my urine which means my body was breaking down stored > proteins to use for energy. The brain sometimes doesn't know the difference > between hunger or thirst. IOW my body was using proteins instead of glucose > because it was wither hungry or thirsty or both. > CW -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Somewhere, I believe I have the top 10 studies on statins that actually reported all-cause-mortality, not all of them do. When that text pops up, I post the information here. There were something like 100,000+ patients in this collection of studies so weren't not talking a small n. Here however is some information on a study that attempted to aggressively lowered LDL to 70 or below and reported a decrease in cardiovascular deaths just as your doctor stated. However, what they failed to clarify is that cancer deaths in the high dose lipitor dose increased resulting in MORE deaths in the high dose lipitor arm, a fact that failed to make it to doctors and was not reported generally in the press when this made the " news " , such as it is. Even when statins help lower cardiovascular disease (but all-cause-mortality is generally unchanged), the ones that are helped are ONLY those treated as secondary prevention. If one has never had a cardiovascular event, then there is almost no benefit to taking statins. And finally, if one is a woman, there is never any cardiovascular benefit to taking statins. If one makes it to 55ish with high cholesterol, then taking statins is like volenteering to play russion rouleet since death rates in that group will be increased by statins. While the fact that all-cause-mortality is not changed by using statins is a problem, what bothers me more is that cognitive function decreases by taking statins with zero offsetting benefit. Decreased cognitive function is NOT a side effect I'm comfortable with although perhaps I might not care as much after starting the drug! Do Your Really Need Maximum-Dose Lipitor®? http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/aug2007_report_lipitor_01.htm " In the 2005 TNT study, 10,001 people with stable heart disease received either maximum-dose 80-mg Lipitor® or a standard dose of 10-mg Lipitor® daily.1 Maximum-dose Lipitor® reduced levels of harmful low density lipoprotein (LDL) to an average of 77 mg/dL. This represented a substantial reduction in LDL. In comparison, standard-dose Lipitor® reduced LDL to an average level of 101 mg/dL, which was also a good result.1 Over the five years of the study, 434 people (8.7%) in the 80-mg group experienced another cardiovascular incident (such as a heart attack or stroke) versus 548 people (10.9%) in the 10-mg group. This was an improvement of 2.2%, which meant 104 fewer cardiovascular incidents with maximum-dose Lipitor® compared with standard-dose Lipitor®. Twenty-nine fewer deaths from cardiovascular causes (126 versus 155) occurred with maximum-dose Lipitor®. These were also good results. However, this improvement in deaths was completely offset when 31 more people taking maximum-dose Lipitor® died from other causes. Overall, maximum-dose Lipitor® did not reduce the number of deaths in comparison with low-dose Lipitor®. In fact, the total number of deaths slightly increased in those taking maximum-dose Lipitor®. This startling fact means that maximum-dose Lipitor® increased the risk of death due to non-cardiovascular causes! This included 10 more deaths from cancer in the maximum-dose Lipitor® group versus the 10-mg group. Was there a reason that people taking maximum-dose Lipitor® died more often from other causes? The study did not address this critical question. Yet Dr. Bertram Pitt, the expert who wrote the editorial accompanying the maximum-dose Lipitor® study in the New England Journal of Medicine pointed out the obvious: “Although the risk of coronary heart disease events was reduced by treatment with 80 mg of atorvastatin per day, the overall risk of death was not… it is a matter of concern.”2 After reviewing the results of the study, Dr. Pitt advised caution: “We need further reassurance as to the safety of this approach.”2 Dr. Pitt suggested that if doctors want to achieve very low LDL levels with their patients, they should do so with methods other than maximum-dose statins. The TNT was an important study because it was the first to test the hypothesis that a LDL of 70 mg/dL is better than a LDL of 100 mg/dL in people with heart disease. Although the results were not reassuring, Pfizer found enough in this study to launch its campaign to convince doctors to prescribe maximum-dose Lipitor to more patients. To boost the campaign, another study of maximum-dose Lipitor® was published a year later. " Steve On 12/31/2009 10:05 PM, wrote: > Steve, I had a routine follow-up visit with my cardiologist today and he > reported my tests were fine. However, my LDL [i think] is a little > higher than he likes and he increased my Lipitor prescription strength. > I mentioned to him that AFAIK there's peer reviewed literature that > indicates no decrease in mortality over all for those taking statins. > He seemed very sure that there is a decrease in cardiological mortality > rates and seemed to doubt there is no over all decrease. IIRC you have > quoted peer reviewed literature that supports a lack of decreased > mortality in those taking statins. Do you have links to such literature > that a lay person can access? > > Thanks and Happy New Year, > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@... >> <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%2\ 0oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not> >> dudescholar<dudescholar> >> >> >> Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:42 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Ketones are produced by metabolizing fats for energy. Protein is used >> for energy by a process that produced glucose and it's the glucose that >> is used for energy. >> >> Steve -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Well, what happens when one fasts for a week or more? It is my understanding that insulin levels drop but until they get to a certain point, one feels very hungey. Insulin instructs cells to store the energy found in the blood as a result of eating carbs. Once insulin gets low enough, the flood gates can be opened for fat cells to release that stored energy. Most people have a hard time loosing weight because their insulin levels NEVER drop low enough for long enough. At some point several days into a fast, the body turns to mobilizing stored fats and hunger disappears while ketones increase. If one has no stored fats or few stored fats (not true of 99.99 percent of Americans), then protein will be catabolized. Ketones will be created in any case, fat or very thin, but almost all of the time, ketones are produced from healthy effective utilization of both stored fats and dietary fats (if insulin is kept low). Steve On 12/30/2009 12:09 PM, Crystal wrote: > Very interesting Steve. I've always heard that ketones are a toxin released > by the body when it's not getting enough food or water. > CW > > -- Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos > or not > > > If one stops eating carbs cold turkey, the liver will deliver glycogen > to compensate as it does between means. However, once the sugar runs > out, the body will start processing fats and go into ketosis. The brain > works perfectly well in ketosis, in fact I believe it works better. > There are a couple of benefits to ketosis and I think that paleo man > live in ketosis part of every year. One is that while ketosis is less > efficient at using the calories in fat, the energy that is extracted > takes less oxygen within the metabolism process resulting in lower > exhales of Co2 and higher tissue oxygen saturation, a very positive > thing. Additionally, after one cuts back on carbs, insulin levels in > the blood start dropping and once they get below a certain threshold and > stay there, hunger generally goes away. People that go on a very > low-carb or no carb diet can we go through a period of feeling bad, > sometimes cloudy thinking, and generally symptoms of withdrawal. Once > that is past energy levels become significant and thinking becomes > clearer. I've seen this result reported over and over again from people > that start up a paleolithic diet with an emphasis towards the low-carb. > The shakeout period with withdrawal symptoms going from high carb > low-carb takes several days to two weeks. > > The body can indeed convert protein to glucose so that if one goes on a > low carb diet, they need to replace carbs with fats or they may miss > some of the benefits of low carb. Eating too much protein will increase > glucose levels but the rise is much slower than consuming carbs. > > Steve > > On 12/29/2009 10:01 PM, wrote: >> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the >> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is >> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really >> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to >> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole >> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher >> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really >> good for you unless you're starving. >> >> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about >> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make >> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles >> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect >> the fat would go first. >> >> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search: >> . >>> >>> >>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** * >>> >>> >>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a >>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy >>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells. >>> >>> >>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?* >>> >>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function. >>> >>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*. >>> >>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract >>> that aid in digestion. >>> >>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium. >>> >>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure. >>> >> . >> . >> Luck, >> >> >> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so >> sorry for the dup messages. > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 If one is very very thin and starving, then I'm sure damage is being done somehow but probably not from ketones. There is a general assumption that high protein intake results in elevated uric acid. However, it is very rarely the case that someone diagnosed with high uric acid is able to lower those levels by a serious decrease in protein intake. The primary cause of elevated uric acid is fructose. Decreasing fructose in the diet, not generally a target of kidney doctors, will lower uric acid. None of this has to do with being in ketosis. On a side note, come cancers are put into remission with ketosis but few doctors know this or advise it since they cannot charge $30,000/month for chemo. Ketosis also can resolve schizophrenia in addition to producing clarity of though in normal people. I've just touched the surface as there are dozens of significant benefits that occur from ketosis. I would say it is safer and healthier to be in ketosis than not, much safer. Steve On 12/30/2009 11:14 PM, sunnyblond62 wrote: > Isn't it true that ketosis can damage the kidneys and liver, though? > > > > >>> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the >>> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is >>> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really >>> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to >>> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole >>> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher >>> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really >>> good for you unless you're starving. >>> >>> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about >>> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make >>> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles >>> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect >>> the fat would go first. >>> >>> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search: >>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** * >>>> >>>> >>>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a >>>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy >>>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells. >>>> >>>> >>>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?* >>>> >>>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function. >>>> >>>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*. >>>> >>>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract >>>> that aid in digestion. >>>> >>>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium. >>>> >>>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure. >>>> >>> . >>> . >>> Luck, >>> >>> >>> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so >>> sorry for the dup messages. >> >> -- >> >> Steve - dudescholar4@... -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 On 12/30/2009 12:08 PM, Roni Molin wrote: > Everything ends up as glucose for energy. It's the only thing your body can burn. The point of differentiating simple and complex carbs is how they are digested. The complex carbs have to go through a process to turn them into simple carbs and then into glucose, whereas the simple carbs turn into glucose directly, and metabolise faster, and raise your blood sugar faster. Diabetes is one of the scourges of society, and trying to keep your body from becoming diabetic is very important. I have been very lax about this lately because of all the other crap I've been dealing with, but I have to go back to the low carb way of eating. > > Every time I go onto Atkins, I lose about 40 pounds in 4 months, with no hunger. > > > Roni The body can use glucose or fats (fatty acids) for energy. To successfully lose weight without being hungry all the time, a low carb diet is the only way to go as it quickly and successfully lowers insulin levels. Higher insulin levels tell the body's cells to continue to store energy. Low insulin levels turns of this signal and the cells revers the process and deliver up stored energy. Once in ketosis and insulin levels are low, one can literally pork out on fats and some protein and not hardly gain at all since the cells are in energy release mode. I would hazzard to speculate (since I haven't seen any studies on what I'm proposing), that body temperature goes up in ketosis when one is still eating a lot of calories as fats and metabolism increases - perhaps by increase the effectiveness of T3 or the production thereof. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I've read and studied a lot in this area and you are the first person to claim multiple cases of renal failure and imply that otherwise normal and healthy kidneys were permanently damaged. The eskimos pre-western diet ate ever MORE fats and protein than Atkins without either kidney problems or cardiovascular problems. It was the introduction of foods that lowered their fat and protein intake while increasing their carb intake that produced a plethora of health problems. Steve On 12/30/2009 3:09 PM, nancie barnett wrote: > hmm well obliviously atkins works for you. great. everyone is different. I personally do not like atkins because I have had patients go into renal failure on atkins because of all the protein that you are eating. just be careful about that. Also, the other problem I have noticed is that the weight loss is not long term. > > > > From: Roni Molin > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:08 AM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not > > > > Everything ends up as glucose for energy. It's the only thing your body can burn. The point of differentiating simple and complex carbs is how they are digested. The complex carbs have to go through a process to turn them into simple carbs and then into glucose, whereas the simple carbs turn into glucose directly, and metabolise faster, and raise your blood sugar faster. Diabetes is one of the scourges of society, and trying to keep your body from becoming diabetic is very important. I have been very lax about this lately because of all the other crap I've been dealing with, but I have to go back to the low carb way of eating. > > Every time I go onto Atkins, I lose about 40 pounds in 4 months, with no hunger. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@...> > Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or > not > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM > > Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you > can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as > your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs. > > Regards, > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... >> <mailto:fielddot@gmail > com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp > s%20or%20not> >> trishruk<trishruk> >> >> >> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a >> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss >> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. >> >> Trish >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 While I have a juicer, I never use it anymore as I've learned more. I won't juice and I won't drink juice except on a very rare occasion and only 100% pomegranate juice. If I eat fruit, it is only whole fruit. Fiber is beneficial on many levels including slowing down the absorption of those carbs and dramatically lowering the blood glucose and insulin peak. If one wants to lose weight, whatever one does, they have to get their insulin levels down below the point where it's telling the cells to store energy. One has to get to the point where insulin is low enough that cells are no longer being signaled to take in energy and can start working to supply stored energy. Fruit intake, unless it is very very low, will stop weight loss. One can eat 2000 calories of fat a day and lose weight compared to eating 1000 calories a day of fruit and fail to loose any weight at all. They will forever wonder why they cannot lose weight on 1000 calories a day when they are ostensibly eating health and low calorie. The myths of weight loss are pervasive and perverse. Steve On 12/30/2009 11:59 AM, Crystal wrote: > The only difference between fruit juice and fruit (besides being > pasteurized) is the fiber content. Once the fruit is juiced, it loses its > fiber content. > > > > In terms of juice, if you're trying to lose weight, choose whole fruit over > fruit juices. Fruit juice contains less fiber so it’s not as filling as > whole fruit and it’s more concentrated in sugars. When you do choose juice, > a serving size is 4 ounces (1/2 cup). > > http://www.cherylforberg > com/blog/2009/03/from-the-biggest-loser-nutritionists-mailbag.html -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Nancie your experience could be true, but you possibly were not made privy to all the circumstances. I have known people on the Atkins diet that were sensible and kept their intake of protein and fat and fiber (after 1st two weeks) reasonable and balanced, and never had trouble with their kidneys. On the other hand I've known people on that diet that either thought it was a license to eat a whole cow every day, or eat all the fat on a whole cow every day. Neither of these approaches is advocated by Dr. Atkins, whose offices I personally visited. I went through the most thorough testing any doctor every did for my problems. He not only prescribes for the thyroid disease (by the way he used Armour) but he also tests for and treats adrenal problems and whatever else too. He even gives you a psychological test to make sure your head is on straight. I found him to be an extremely knowledgeable and committed physician, and his premises to be sound. I lost 40 pounds in 4 months, and then went on maintenance, and kept the weight off for over ten years.  It wasn't until I moved out of state and doctors started lowering my thyroid medication that I started to put weight on again. That, and also stopping HRT after the nurses study contributed to that too.  As for the Atkins Diet or any diet for that matter, I think that they are only as good as the dieter. Some diets are better for the type of metabolism of some people and other diets are more suited to other types of metabolism. Like anything else, nothing is one size fits all.     Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@...> > Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or > not > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM > > Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you > can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as > your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs. > > Regards, > > . > . > >> >>    Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... >>    <mailto:fielddot@gmail > com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp > s%20or%20not> >>    trishruk<trishruk> >> >> >>     Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a >> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss >> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. >> >> Trish >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Steve's explanation is how I learned it too. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> >> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the >> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is >> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really >> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to >> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole >> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher >> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really >> good for you unless you're starving. >> >> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about >> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make >> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles >> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect >> the fat would go first. >> >> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search: >> . >>> >>> >>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** * >>> >>> >>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a >>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy >>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells. >>> >>> >>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?* >>> >>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function. >>> >>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*. >>> >>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract >>> that aid in digestion. >>> >>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium. >>> >>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure. >>> >> . >> . >> Luck, >> >> >> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so >> sorry for the dup messages. > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 The nurses study was about testing a product that was full of horse estrogens (never found naturally in humans) and an artificial hormone. What it certainly was NOT was about HRT (hormone replacement therapy) since it did NOT replace human hormones. One can get bio-identical HUMAN hormones from a compounding pharmacy, a product that the drug companies are trying to make access to illegal (they cannot patent natural hormones and it cuts into their profits from disease creating unnatural hormones). No one is claiming that the hormone levels found in female systems pre-menopause is unnatural and that it causes heart disease - the facts are quite the opposite. Replacing THOSE hormones is what HRT should be about and only what it should be about. Substituting unnatural hormones and then claiming that natural hormones is what is failing is an exercise in misdirection. Steve On 1/1/2010 12:28 PM, Roni Molin wrote: > Nancie your experience could be true, but you possibly were not made privy to all the circumstances. I have known people on the Atkins diet that were sensible and kept their intake of protein and fat and fiber (after 1st two weeks) reasonable and balanced, and never had trouble with their kidneys. On the other hand I've known people on that diet that either thought it was a license to eat a whole cow every day, or eat all the fat on a whole cow every day. Neither of these approaches is advocated by Dr. Atkins, whose offices I personally visited. I went through the most thorough testing any doctor every did for my problems. He not only prescribes for the thyroid disease (by the way he used Armour) but he also tests for and treats adrenal problems and whatever else too. He even gives you a psychological test to make sure your head is on straight. I found him to be an extremely knowledgeable and committed physician, and his premises to be sound. I lost 40 > pounds in 4 months, and then went on maintenance, and kept the weight off for over ten years. > > It wasn't until I moved out of state and doctors started lowering my thyroid medication that I started to put weight on again. That, and also stopping HRT after the nurses study contributed to that too. > > As for the Atkins Diet or any diet for that matter, I think that they are only as good as the dieter. Some diets are better for the type of metabolism of some people and other diets are more suited to other types of metabolism. Like anything else, nothing is one size fits all. > > > > > > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > >> hmm well obliviously atkins works for you. great. everyone is different. I personally do not like atkins because I have had patients go into renal failure on atkins because of all the protein that you are eating. just be careful about that. Also, the other problem I have noticed is that the weight loss is not long term. >> >> >> >> From: Roni Molin >> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:08 AM >> hypothyroidism >> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not >> >> >> >> Everything ends up as glucose for energy. It's the only thing your body can burn. The point of differentiating simple and complex carbs is how they are digested. The complex carbs have to go through a process to turn them into simple carbs and then into glucose, whereas the simple carbs turn into glucose directly, and metabolise faster, and raise your blood sugar faster. Diabetes is one of the scourges of society, and trying to keep your body from becoming diabetic is very important. I have been very lax about this lately because of all the other crap I've been dealing with, but I have to go back to the low carb way of eating. >> >> Every time I go onto Atkins, I lose about 40 pounds in 4 months, with no hunger. >> >> Roni >> <>Just because something >> isn't seen doesn't mean it's >> not there<> -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I believe that for the most part, Type 1 diabetics of long standing, are the ones who have kidney troubles. However, by the time they get to that point, from the ravages of dabetes, I don't know how much benefit lowering protein would be. Lowering simple sugars of any type would help some. Smoking for a diabetic exacerbates all of the problems Type 1 diabetcis have, and usually the patients don't realize how much of a harmful practice this is for them. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > Isn't it true that ketosis can damage the kidneys and liver, though? > > > > >>> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the >>> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is >>> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really >>> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to >>> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole >>> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher >>> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really >>> good for you unless you're starving. >>> >>> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about >>> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make >>> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles >>> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect >>> the fat would go first. >>> >>> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search: >>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** * >>>> >>>> >>>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a >>>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy >>>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells. >>>> >>>> >>>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?* >>>> >>>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function. >>>> >>>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*. >>>> >>>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract >>>> that aid in digestion. >>>> >>>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium. >>>> >>>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure. >>>> >>> . >>> . >>> Luck, >>> >>> >>> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so >>> sorry for the dup messages. >> >> -- >> >> Steve - dudescholar4@... -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Yes, by shutting off that overdose of insulin from the body, the hunger doesn't happen the same way. I'm hypoglycemic, and when my sugar level drops the only thing I can think of is that I have to eat. I imagine it must be the way a drug addict feels. I've been wanting to get back to a ver low carb diet for months now, but it does require some fortitude for the first few weeks, and I have been feeling so badly that I haven't been able to start. Hopefully, I will be able to start it this year. Happy 2010! Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > Everything ends up as glucose for energy. It's the only thing your body can burn. The point of differentiating simple and complex carbs is how they are digested. The complex carbs have to go through a process to turn them into simple carbs and then into glucose, whereas the simple carbs turn into glucose directly, and metabolise faster, and raise your blood sugar faster. Diabetes is one of the scourges of society, and trying to keep your body from becoming diabetic is very important. I have been very lax about this lately because of all the other crap I've been dealing with, but I have to go back to the low carb way of eating. > > Every time I go onto Atkins, I lose about 40 pounds in 4 months, with no hunger. > > > Roni The body can use glucose or fats (fatty acids) for energy. To successfully lose weight without being hungry all the time, a low carb diet is the only way to go as it quickly and successfully lowers insulin levels. Higher insulin levels tell the body's cells to continue to store energy. Low insulin levels turns of this signal and the cells revers the process and deliver up stored energy. Once in ketosis and insulin levels are low, one can literally pork out on fats and some protein and not hardly gain at all since the cells are in energy release mode. I would hazzard to speculate (since I haven't seen any studies on what I'm proposing), that body temperature goes up in ketosis when one is still eating a lot of calories as fats and metabolism increases - perhaps by increase the effectiveness of T3 or the production thereof. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 roni- Hmm, well I am glad that you got a good result. I was privy to all the circumstances because that person was my patient and I was her primary medical provider. . And no it was not the only patient that I heard that had renal failure from being on the Atkins diet. In the offices I work with, No one ever recommends the Atkins diet because the weight loss has not been demonstrated to be permanent and the diet is nutritionally inadequate for long term needs. The medical nutritionists that I work with at UCLA and USC hate the Atkins diet for the reasons I posted. so we will have to agree to disagree on this one. have a happy new year! nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 11:28 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not Nancie your experience could be true, but you possibly were not made privy to all the circumstances. I have known people on the Atkins diet that were sensible and kept their intake of protein and fat and fiber (after 1st two weeks) reasonable and balanced, and never had trouble with their kidneys. On the other hand I've known people on that diet that either thought it was a license to eat a whole cow every day, or eat all the fat on a whole cow every day. Neither of these approaches is advocated by Dr. Atkins, whose offices I personally visited. I went through the most thorough testing any doctor every did for my problems. He not only prescribes for the thyroid disease (by the way he used Armour) but he also tests for and treats adrenal problems and whatever else too. He even gives you a psychological test to make sure your head is on straight. I found him to be an extremely knowledgeable and committed physician, and his premises to be sound. I lost 40 pounds in 4 months, and then went on maintenance, and kept the weight off for over ten years. It wasn't until I moved out of state and doctors started lowering my thyroid medication that I started to put weight on again. That, and also stopping HRT after the nurses study contributed to that too. As for the Atkins Diet or any diet for that matter, I think that they are only as good as the dieter. Some diets are better for the type of metabolism of some people and other diets are more suited to other types of metabolism. Like anything else, nothing is one size fits all. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@...> > Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or > not > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM > > Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you > can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as > your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs. > > Regards, > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... >> <mailto:fielddot@gmail > com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp > s%20or%20not> >> trishruk<trishruk> >> >> >> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a >> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss >> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. >> >> Trish >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Yes, have a very happy new year. Disagreement is what makes horseracing, as they say. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@...> > Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or > not > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM > > Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you > can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as > your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs. > > Regards, > > . > . > >> >>    Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... >>    <mailto:fielddot@gmail > com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp > s%20or%20not> >>    trishruk<trishruk> >> >> >>     Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a >> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss >> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. >> >> Trish >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 On 1/1/2010 2:32 PM, nancie barnett wrote: > In the offices I work with, No one ever recommends the Atkins diet because the weight loss has not been demonstrated to be permanent and ... Is there some newfangled diet in which the weight loss is permanent other than death? " Diet " , as in temporary change of eating habits for purposes of weight loss, will ALWAYS result in that loss being reversed after the fact. Changing one's eating habits/lifestyle is the only course that produces long term weight loss. I know of no serious advocates that are promoting some permanent weight loss scheme. The difference between Atkins and the polar opposite diet is with Atkins, one can quench their hunger while the " other " plan leaves one in a permanent state of hunger, a difficult state to " swallow " permanently. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I concur with Steve's remarks. When I was on the Atkins diet I was not hungry as there was always something I could eat that was allowed. On calorie restriction diets I found that I was hungry much of the time. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > In the offices I work with, No one ever recommends the Atkins diet because the weight loss has not been demonstrated to be permanent and ... Is there some newfangled diet in which the weight loss is permanent other than death? " Diet " , as in temporary change of eating habits for purposes of weight loss, will ALWAYS result in that loss being reversed after the fact. Changing one's eating habits/lifestyle is the only course that produces long term weight loss. I know of no serious advocates that are promoting some permanent weight loss scheme. The difference between Atkins and the polar opposite diet is with Atkins, one can quench their hunger while the " other " plan leaves one in a permanent state of hunger, a difficult state to " swallow " permanently. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Roni- and steve- I NEVER stated anything about calorie restriction. I don't believe in calorie restriction. The problem with high protein diets is that the increase in protein intake puts a excessive load on the Kidneys. that is a fact that has been proven over and over again. At many medical conferences that I attend there is always a section on nutrition and diets and the Atkins diet and all those other diets I posted always get slammed via medical studies. The latest research shows that the only thing that really works is Eat Less and Move More. ergo eat a well rounded healthy diet with all food grps represented and eat in moderation and you must exercise everyday for at least 30 minutes a day working up to an hour a day. From: Roni Molin Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:51 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not I concur with Steve's remarks. When I was on the Atkins diet I was not hungry as there was always something I could eat that was allowed. On calorie restriction diets I found that I was hungry much of the time. MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I can't help but to think that the reason the weight loss wasn't permanent was because the diet wasn't either.? CW -- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or > not > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM > > Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you > can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as > your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs. > > Regards, > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... >> <mailto:fielddot@gmail > com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp > s%20or%20not> >> trishruk<trishruk> >> >> >> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a >> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss >> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. >> >> Trish >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Nancie, I never said that you did say anything about calorie restriction diets. I was making a statement about myself. I don't know how you read something other than what I said into my statements. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not hypothyroidism Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 8:16 PM Roni- and steve- I NEVER stated anything about calorie restriction. I don't believe in calorie restriction. The problem with high protein diets is that the increase in protein intake puts a excessive load on the Kidneys. that is a fact that has been proven over and over again. At many medical conferences that I attend there is always a section on nutrition and diets and the Atkins diet and all those other diets I posted always get slammed via medical studies. The latest research shows that the only thing that really works is Eat Less and Move More. ergo eat a well rounded healthy diet with all food grps represented and eat in moderation and you must exercise everyday for at least 30 minutes a day working up to an hour a day. From: Roni Molin Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:51 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not I concur with Steve's remarks. When I was on the Atkins diet I was not hungry as there was always something I could eat that was allowed. On calorie restriction diets I found that I was hungry much of the time. MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Well, of course, that's true. However, I don't know of any diet that in and of itself is permanent. The person has to stay on the diet forever for it to be permanent. So far, no one has come up with a permanent diet of any kind. They all work, some for some people and some for others but unless they are maintained with diligence, eventually if you go back to eating the way you were before the diet, it will not be permanent. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@...> > Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or > not > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM > > Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you > can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as > your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs. > > Regards, > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... >> <mailto:fielddot@gmail > com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp > s%20or%20not> >> trishruk<trishruk> >> >> >> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a >> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss >> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. >> >> Trish >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Nope that isn't the case. From: Crystal Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:34 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not I can't help but to think that the reason the weight loss wasn't permanent was because the diet wasn't either.? CW -- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or > not > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM > > Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you > can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as > your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs. > > Regards, > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... >> <mailto:fielddot@gmail > com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp > s%20or%20not> >> trishruk<trishruk> >> >> >> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST) >> >> >> >> >> >> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a >> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss >> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping. >> >> Trish >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 ok I stand corrected. I direct my comments to steve then. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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