Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

December 31, 2009

I think pregnancy for hypos can be really weird. After 3 miscarriages and after

adopting a child I suddenly found myself pregnant for the 4th time. Because of

my history the doctor said he would do nothing heroic to save the pregnancy if

miscarriage threatened again.

I had no problems till the 7th month when my blood pressure shot up, and he

insisted I get someone to care for my toddler son or he would put me in the

hospital till I delivered. Well

I got someone to look after my son during the day and all was fine. I delivered

on time, and the baby was fine. He was 6-1/2 pounds, and I had only gained 5

pounds. It was the only time in my life that I ate whatever I wanted and didn't

gain a lot of weight. Within a month,

after delivery, I was two sizes smaller than when I started.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 6:42 PM

My glucose was fine. I was either hungry or thirsty

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

good for you unless you're starving.

Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

the fat would go first.

There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

..

>

> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>

> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>

> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>

> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>

> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>

> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

> that aid in digestion.

>

> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>

> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>

..

Luck,

PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

sorry for the dup messages.

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

> >

> > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my

> > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly

> > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with

> > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd

> > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy

> > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with

> > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with

> > basal temp follow-ups.)

December 31, 2009

well that is good news.

From: Crystal

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:42 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

My glucose was fine. I was either hungry or thirsty

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

good for you unless you're starving.

Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

the fat would go first.

There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

..

>

> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>

> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>

> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>

> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>

> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>

> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

> that aid in digestion.

>

> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>

> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>

..

Luck,

PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

sorry for the dup messages.

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

> >

> > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my

> > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly

> > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with

> > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd

> > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy

> > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with

> > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with

> > basal temp follow-ups.)

December 31, 2009

I've lost 3 lbs this pregnancy. I am 18 weeks now The last time I had

ketones it was with baby #2, but the ketones didn't come until month 8. I

swear that is why he was an 8 lb baby. He was getting nothing but protein

for nutrition

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

good for you unless you're starving.

Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

the fat would go first.

There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

..

>

> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>

> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>

> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>

> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>

> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>

> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

> that aid in digestion.

>

> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>

> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>

..

Luck,

PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

sorry for the dup messages.

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

> >

> > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my

> > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly

> > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with

> > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd

> > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy

> > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with

> > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with

> > basal temp follow-ups.)

December 31, 2009

Ketones are produced by metabolizing fats for energy. Protein is used

for energy by a process that produced glucose and it's the glucose that

is used for energy.

Steve

> From: Crystal

> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:05 AM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or not

>

> This is true . Last week when I went in to see my midwife she told me

> there were ketones in my urine which means my body was breaking down stored

> proteins to use for energy. The brain sometimes doesn't know the difference

> between hunger or thirst. IOW my body was using proteins instead of glucose

> because it was wither hungry or thirsty or both.

> CW

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January 1, 2010

Somewhere, I believe I have the top 10 studies on statins that actually

reported all-cause-mortality, not all of them do. When that text pops

up, I post the information here. There were something like 100,000+

patients in this collection of studies so weren't not talking a small n.

Here however is some information on a study that attempted to

aggressively lowered LDL to 70 or below and reported a decrease in

cardiovascular deaths just as your doctor stated. However, what they

failed to clarify is that cancer deaths in the high dose lipitor dose

increased resulting in MORE deaths in the high dose lipitor arm, a fact

that failed to make it to doctors and was not reported generally in the

press when this made the " news " , such as it is.

Even when statins help lower cardiovascular disease (but

all-cause-mortality is generally unchanged), the ones that are helped

are ONLY those treated as secondary prevention. If one has never had a

cardiovascular event, then there is almost no benefit to taking statins.

And finally, if one is a woman, there is never any cardiovascular

benefit to taking statins. If one makes it to 55ish with high

cholesterol, then taking statins is like volenteering to play russion

rouleet since death rates in that group will be increased by statins.

While the fact that all-cause-mortality is not changed by using statins

is a problem, what bothers me more is that cognitive function decreases

by taking statins with zero offsetting benefit. Decreased cognitive

function is NOT a side effect I'm comfortable with although perhaps I

might not care as much after starting the drug!

Do Your Really Need Maximum-Dose Lipitor®?

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/aug2007_report_lipitor_01.htm

" In the 2005 TNT study, 10,001 people with stable heart disease received

either maximum-dose 80-mg Lipitor® or a standard dose of 10-mg Lipitor®

daily.1 Maximum-dose Lipitor® reduced levels of harmful low density

lipoprotein (LDL) to an average of 77 mg/dL. This represented a

substantial reduction in LDL. In comparison, standard-dose Lipitor®

reduced LDL to an average level of 101 mg/dL, which was also a good result.1

Over the five years of the study, 434 people (8.7%) in the 80-mg group

experienced another cardiovascular incident (such as a heart attack or

stroke) versus 548 people (10.9%) in the 10-mg group. This was an

improvement of 2.2%, which meant 104 fewer cardiovascular incidents with

maximum-dose Lipitor® compared with standard-dose Lipitor®. Twenty-nine

fewer deaths from cardiovascular causes (126 versus 155) occurred with

maximum-dose Lipitor®. These were also good results. However, this

improvement in deaths was completely offset when 31 more people taking

maximum-dose Lipitor® died from other causes. Overall, maximum-dose

Lipitor® did not reduce the number of deaths in comparison with low-dose

Lipitor®. In fact, the total number of deaths slightly increased in

those taking maximum-dose Lipitor®. This startling fact means that

maximum-dose Lipitor® increased the risk of death due to

non-cardiovascular causes! This included 10 more deaths from cancer in

the maximum-dose Lipitor® group versus the 10-mg group.

Was there a reason that people taking maximum-dose Lipitor® died more

often from other causes? The study did not address this critical

question. Yet Dr. Bertram Pitt, the expert who wrote the editorial

accompanying the maximum-dose Lipitor® study in the New England Journal

of Medicine pointed out the obvious: “Although the risk of coronary

heart disease events was reduced by treatment with 80 mg of atorvastatin

per day, the overall risk of death was not… it is a matter of concern.”2

After reviewing the results of the study, Dr. Pitt advised caution: “We

need further reassurance as to the safety of this approach.”2 Dr. Pitt

suggested that if doctors want to achieve very low LDL levels with their

patients, they should do so with methods other than maximum-dose statins.

The TNT was an important study because it was the first to test the

hypothesis that a LDL of 70 mg/dL is better than a LDL of 100 mg/dL in

people with heart disease. Although the results were not reassuring,

Pfizer found enough in this study to launch its campaign to convince

doctors to prescribe maximum-dose Lipitor to more patients. To boost the

campaign, another study of maximum-dose Lipitor® was published a year

later. "

Steve

On 12/31/2009 10:05 PM, wrote:

> Steve, I had a routine follow-up visit with my cardiologist today and he

> reported my tests were fine. However, my LDL [i think] is a little

> higher than he likes and he increased my Lipitor prescription strength.

> I mentioned to him that AFAIK there's peer reviewed literature that

> indicates no decrease in mortality over all for those taking statins.

> He seemed very sure that there is a decrease in cardiological mortality

> rates and seemed to doubt there is no over all decrease. IIRC you have

> quoted peer reviewed literature that supports a lack of decreased

> mortality in those taking statins. Do you have links to such literature

> that a lay person can access?

>

> Thanks and Happy New Year,

>

> .

>

>>

>> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>>

<mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%2\

0oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

>> dudescholar<dudescholar>

>>

>> Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:42 am (PST)

>>

>> Ketones are produced by metabolizing fats for energy. Protein is used

>> for energy by a process that produced glucose and it's the glucose that

>> is used for energy.

>>

>> Steve

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January 1, 2010

Well, what happens when one fasts for a week or more? It is my

understanding that insulin levels drop but until they get to a certain

point, one feels very hungey. Insulin instructs cells to store the

energy found in the blood as a result of eating carbs. Once insulin

gets low enough, the flood gates can be opened for fat cells to release

that stored energy. Most people have a hard time loosing weight because

their insulin levels NEVER drop low enough for long enough. At some

point several days into a fast, the body turns to mobilizing stored fats

and hunger disappears while ketones increase. If one has no stored fats

or few stored fats (not true of 99.99 percent of Americans), then

protein will be catabolized. Ketones will be created in any case, fat

or very thin, but almost all of the time, ketones are produced from

healthy effective utilization of both stored fats and dietary fats (if

insulin is kept low).

Steve

On 12/30/2009 12:09 PM, Crystal wrote:

> Very interesting Steve. I've always heard that ketones are a toxin released

> by the body when it's not getting enough food or water.

> CW

>

> -- Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

> or not

>

> If one stops eating carbs cold turkey, the liver will deliver glycogen

> to compensate as it does between means. However, once the sugar runs

> out, the body will start processing fats and go into ketosis. The brain

> works perfectly well in ketosis, in fact I believe it works better.

> There are a couple of benefits to ketosis and I think that paleo man

> live in ketosis part of every year. One is that while ketosis is less

> efficient at using the calories in fat, the energy that is extracted

> takes less oxygen within the metabolism process resulting in lower

> exhales of Co2 and higher tissue oxygen saturation, a very positive

> thing. Additionally, after one cuts back on carbs, insulin levels in

> the blood start dropping and once they get below a certain threshold and

> stay there, hunger generally goes away. People that go on a very

> low-carb or no carb diet can we go through a period of feeling bad,

> sometimes cloudy thinking, and generally symptoms of withdrawal. Once

> that is past energy levels become significant and thinking becomes

> clearer. I've seen this result reported over and over again from people

> that start up a paleolithic diet with an emphasis towards the low-carb.

> The shakeout period with withdrawal symptoms going from high carb

> low-carb takes several days to two weeks.

>

> The body can indeed convert protein to glucose so that if one goes on a

> low carb diet, they need to replace carbs with fats or they may miss

> some of the benefits of low carb. Eating too much protein will increase

> glucose levels but the rise is much slower than consuming carbs.

>

> Steve

>

> On 12/29/2009 10:01 PM, wrote:

>> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

>> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

>> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

>> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

>> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

>> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

>> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

>> good for you unless you're starving.

>>

>> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

>> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

>> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

>> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

>> the fat would go first.

>>

>> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

>> .

>>>

>>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>>>

>>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

>>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

>>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>>>

>>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>>>

>>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>>>

>>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>>>

>>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

>>> that aid in digestion.

>>>

>>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>>>

>>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>>>

>> .

>> Luck,

>>

>> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

>> sorry for the dup messages.

>

--

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run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

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January 1, 2010

If one is very very thin and starving, then I'm sure damage is being

done somehow but probably not from ketones.

There is a general assumption that high protein intake results in

elevated uric acid. However, it is very rarely the case that someone

diagnosed with high uric acid is able to lower those levels by a serious

decrease in protein intake. The primary cause of elevated uric acid is

fructose. Decreasing fructose in the diet, not generally a target of

kidney doctors, will lower uric acid.

None of this has to do with being in ketosis.

On a side note, come cancers are put into remission with ketosis but few

doctors know this or advise it since they cannot charge $30,000/month

for chemo. Ketosis also can resolve schizophrenia in addition to

producing clarity of though in normal people. I've just touched the

surface as there are dozens of significant benefits that occur from ketosis.

I would say it is safer and healthier to be in ketosis than not, much safer.

Steve

On 12/30/2009 11:14 PM, sunnyblond62 wrote:

> Isn't it true that ketosis can damage the kidneys and liver, though?

>

>>> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

>>> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

>>> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

>>> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

>>> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

>>> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

>>> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

>>> good for you unless you're starving.

>>>

>>> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

>>> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

>>> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

>>> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

>>> the fat would go first.

>>>

>>> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

>>> .

>>>>

>>>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>>>>

>>>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

>>>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

>>>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>>>>

>>>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>>>>

>>>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>>>>

>>>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>>>>

>>>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

>>>> that aid in digestion.

>>>>

>>>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>>>>

>>>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood

pressure.

>>>>

>>> .

>>> Luck,

>>>

>>> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

>>> sorry for the dup messages.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Steve - dudescholar4@...

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January 1, 2010

On 12/30/2009 12:08 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> Everything ends up as glucose for energy. It's the only thing your body can

burn. The point of differentiating simple and complex carbs is how they are

digested. The complex carbs have to go through a process to turn them into

simple carbs and then into glucose, whereas the simple carbs turn into glucose

directly, and metabolise faster, and raise your blood sugar faster. Diabetes is

one of the scourges of society, and trying to keep your body from becoming

diabetic is very important. I have been very lax about this lately because of

all the other crap I've been dealing with, but I have to go back to the low carb

way of eating.

>

> Every time I go onto Atkins, I lose about 40 pounds in 4 months, with no

hunger.

>

> Roni

The body can use glucose or fats (fatty acids) for energy. To

successfully lose weight without being hungry all the time, a low carb

diet is the only way to go as it quickly and successfully lowers insulin

levels. Higher insulin levels tell the body's cells to continue to

store energy. Low insulin levels turns of this signal and the cells

revers the process and deliver up stored energy. Once in ketosis and

insulin levels are low, one can literally pork out on fats and some

protein and not hardly gain at all since the cells are in energy release

mode.

I would hazzard to speculate (since I haven't seen any studies on what

I'm proposing), that body temperature goes up in ketosis when one is

still eating a lot of calories as fats and metabolism increases -

perhaps by increase the effectiveness of T3 or the production thereof.

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January 1, 2010

I've read and studied a lot in this area and you are the first person to

claim multiple cases of renal failure and imply that otherwise normal

and healthy kidneys were permanently damaged. The eskimos pre-western

diet ate ever MORE fats and protein than Atkins without either kidney

problems or cardiovascular problems. It was the introduction of foods

that lowered their fat and protein intake while increasing their carb

intake that produced a plethora of health problems.

Steve

On 12/30/2009 3:09 PM, nancie barnett wrote:

> hmm well obliviously atkins works for you. great. everyone is different. I

personally do not like atkins because I have had patients go into renal failure

on atkins because of all the protein that you are eating. just be careful about

that. Also, the other problem I have noticed is that the weight loss is not long

term.

>

> From: Roni Molin

> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:08 AM